Nnamdi Asomugha to be a free agent
by BrownDawg1409 on Jan 9, 2011 12:45 PM EST
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This guy was a beast to my recent memory, but he seemed to have a drop-off for some reason. I think part of the reason was him only being healthy for 14/16 games. Long and the short, his contract is voided since his contract contained a clause saying that if he didn't achieve certain stats in this year, he'd be a free agent without being able to be franchised.
Who wants this guy?
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Enticing but 29 yrs old, going on 30 this summer. Probably looking for a multi-year big money deal. Doesn’t seem to go with the youth movement.
Nnamdi and Haden on the corners next year would be pretty sick though.
by Monsters of the Midway on Jan 9, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions
If not sooner. I keep having these visions of Minnifield and Dixon. Can’t get it out my mind. Dawgs barking, batteries flying on to the field…Ahh, good times!
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 12, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m grinning just thinking about it.
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by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jan 13, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’ll want, and get, much more than anyone should pay him.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Won’t we have money after we dump Delhomme? We need this guy to help lock down the secondary. Then we can focus on the front 7 in the draft.
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 9, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Delhomme had a pretty small contract for a QB, and his cap hit this upcoming year would be pretty small. His contract is not an issue, regardless of what cleveland.com would have you believe.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 10, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
$5.4MM is not small for a backup QB
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
I’m not sure what he was paid this year, but next year he is set to be paid $3.9MM. The NFL average for a backup QB is roughly $1.93MM. Link
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Yes, but this factors in late round draft picks who are on their first deal and are backups. No way the average would be that low if you count only guys that aren’t on their rookie deals.
Actually, that’s pretty much factored in. The “average” discussed in the article is actually the “median” which does not get weighted by outliers like rook deals or really high back-up contracts. It is simply the 50 percent mark — half of backups have a salary higher than 1.93 and half have a salary below that.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 10, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
and he wasn’t brought in to be the backup. his contract made him one of the lowest paid starters in the league. Also, correct me if I’m wrong here, but isn’t his salary much lower than that next year? Even if his contract is big for a backup, it’s not so big that cutting him would put a dent in the contract given to Namdi.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 10, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
No, that is his salary for 2011. The average salary for a starting QB was like $9MM, so yes, it was low for a starter back then. I’m just not sure if a mentor is worth $5MM next season?
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
no, definitely not. That’s too much. But it’s not like dropping that salary suddenly opens up enough space for Namdi.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 10, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t we have plenty of cap room anyway? Why are we worried about cap space? We have hardly any big time players taking it up.
I don’t think Namdi will be worth the money or years he’ll want. Even if you have the space to do it, it is never a good idea to overspend.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think we will have a lot of room, but Nnamdi is going to be ridiculously expensive. All-time expensive. Peyton Manning or Tom Brady expensive. Singlehandedly-wrecks-your-cap expensive.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think it’s funny how everyone says that every free agent signs for more than they are worth.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 9, 2011 6:15 PM EST reply actions
Because they do.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 9, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For big name guys, exactly.
Unless the CBA really really changes something, you must build the team through the draft.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Just like the Falcons, Jets, Chiefs, Bears, and Saints. (And the Eagles did get Vick as a FA)
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 11, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Of course you augment with FA, but the draft is where you get the bulk of your good, cheap talent.
Just like the Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Packers, Patriots and Eagles.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 11, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying you can’t, but arguing that you can sometimes with free agents.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 11, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Even the teams you mentioned relied on the draft to a large extent. Off the top of my head, the Jets have Mangold, Ferguson, Revis, Cotchery, and Keller. Throw Sanchez into that mix if you’re so inclined.
They also used trades to acquire talent, such as Holmes or Edwards, whom they bought low on with no guarantee that they would produce.
The free agents they did sign were mostly over-the-hill former super stars. Guys nobody else really wanted and they were able to get a lot out of them, to their credit. The jets never really over paid for the big free agents like your Haynesworths or Namdis.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 11, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchez really brings that team down.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 12, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
How did they do before they replaced their hugely horrible QBs with their current below-average QB?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
They had Mangini before that. And also not as much talent.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 14, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
But they added lots of key pieces through the draft.
Try to tell me that team is the same without DBrick, Mangold, Shaun Ellis, and especially Revis.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I was grouping trades more with Free agents than the draft.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 12, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yes because Matt Ryan, Roddy White, Mark Sanchez, Furguson, Mangold, Revis, Urlacher, Forte, etc. were all great FA pickups.
You can score bigtime on players others have given up on (Brees) or you can build a 1-2 year window for yourself on top of your strong draft-built base (Jets), but you are never going to build a team through free agency.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
It’s all about the draft. Free agency should be supplementation. Heckert is the most important Cleveland Brown.
but we do need to SUPPLEMENT w/ free agency.
i for one, haven’t seen us do this (or attempt this) enough.
by discoinferno083 on Jan 13, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
We had 3 huge free agency pickups last. Hillis, Brown, and Fujita. Pashos and Gocong were decent pickups too. When Pashos went down, everybodies favorite player, st clair, stepped in. We saw our defense decline when the leader, Fujita, got injured. Without Brown, we would have got a full does of Wright. All of these players warranted less money and better play, than an albert haynesworth.
Hillis was a trade. Gocong may have been a trade too, I think a low round draft pick.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 16, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Umm… no? Hillis was under contract thereby making him not a free agent, we didn’t negotiate a contract with him, nor did he sign one with us, we traded Brady Quinn and got Hillis and two draft picks. Free agency happens when a player is not under contract.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 16, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yes he wasn’t a free agent, but he was acquired during free agency. He wasn’t drafted to this team and that’s what they are talking about. At the beginning of the season, you look at free agency acquisitions and he falls into that category. You build teams and will in pieces during free agency. It doesnt matter if he was under contract or he was traded for.
Players acquired through trades =/= free agent pickups. It does not matter when the trade was made.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 16, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yes he wasn’t a free agent, i get it. Free agency is: Cuts/signings/trades. When free agency is over, you look at who you got and who you lost. Trades are a huge part of free agency and how teams fill in needs. When free agency opens, the ability to cut/sign/trade is what it allows. You are trying to categorize trades like they have no meaning to free agency. Which is also why when someone is traded during the season, they call it a regular season trade.
Ok I’m done with this, it’s like trying to talk to a brick wall.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 16, 2011 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand what you don’t get. Your definition of free agency was: Free agency happens when a player is not under contract. That is the definition of a free agent, and like i said, yes hillis was not a free agent. Free agency is a time period, not a player. So a trade during this period is a free agency aquisistion. It is a time period not a player. I feel like im talking to the brick wall.
You realize that by your own definition that drafted players are free agent pickups because they fall in the free agency signing period? Plain and simple there are three ways to acquire players, draft, trade, and free agency, and they are all different. I player that was traded for is not a free agent pickup.
It does not matter when the trade was made.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 16, 2011 7:09 AM EST up reply actions
You have my definition wrong. The day the free agency season begins, the ability to sign, cut, or trade for players is allowed. Nothing about the draft was in there. I see this isnt going to get resolved, so just wait til the free agency season begins. Then you will see the three different groupings.
I feel like I’m watching two brick walls talking to each other.
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In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 16, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
You mean Pong?
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by BrownDawg1409 on Jan 16, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
What makes you think they aren’t?
Suppose everyone thought the same way you do.
by YossarianLives_InCleveland on Jan 16, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the period when players contracts expire making them free agents is in the off season, but any player not under contract is a free agent and is considered a free agent signing whenever they sign.
Don’t bother, I gave up yesterday.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 17, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
I like the crayon comment, so here is the official definition of free agency.
Free Agency starts, this includes:
- Deadline for submission of qualifying offers by clubs to their restricted free agents whose contracts have expired and to whom they desire to retain a right of first refusal/compensation
- Deadline for clubs to submit offer of minimum salary to retain exclusive negotiating rights to their players with fewer than three seasons of free agency credit whose contracts have expired
- Beginning of free-agent signing period
- Beginning of trade period
June 1
-Deadline for old clubs to send tender to unsigned unrestricted free agents to receive exclusive negotiating rights for rest of the season if player is not signed by another club by July deadline.
- Deadline for old clubs to send tender to unsigned restricted free agents or to extend qualifying offer to retain exclusive negotiating rights
End of Free agency (End of July deadline)
- Trade Deadline for franchise players
- Deadline for unsigned RFA/ERFA to sign with new clubs
Yes, that is the definition of a free agent. Free agency is an offseason time period. During this time period, teams can officially meet with players with expired contracts. Teams are also allowed to tender, franchise, transistion tag, trade, etc…. Free agency is not a “pool” non contract players drop into. A free agent is a free agent. If signed during free agency, he is a signed free agent during free agency. If a trade happens, then it is a trade during free agency. It is an event, like the draft is during the offseason. Your definition has free agency as a year long thing, which it is not.
Here is a link to show you 2010 free agency moves
Which is pointless, because you still don’t understand what free agency is.
Trades =/= free agency pickups in the same way you acknowledged that drafted players aren’t free agency pickups. Linking to someone else’s blog doesn’t make you any less wrong in that regard.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 17, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Once again, the draft is not part of free agency. Since there were so many restricted FA last year, the biggest way to acquire players was from trading. If that link doesnt prove my point, then this one does.
During free agency: trades = free agency acquisistions. trades =/= free agent acquisistions
I think you are getting confused on the restricted free agency aspect.
You can trade a player that is a restricted free agent, as long as that player has signed a tender.
But even that isn’t considered a “free agent trade”. It is a trade of a player that was a restricted free agent.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 17, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are confusing FA with offseason in general. FA is when you pick up a player that is no longer on a team and is a “free agent” to sign with another team. Trades, draft picks, and the likes are not considered FA pickups.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Thank you, he’s comparing apples (trades) and oranges (free agency), yeah both are fruit (offseason moves) but they aren’t the same thing.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 18, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
From your same theory, trades that happen during the draft are not draft day trades, but simply offseason trades. When in fact, it is a draft day trade that happened during the offseason. We acquired abe elam in a draft day trade. It doesnt mean we drafted him, and it doesnt make it any less an offseason move. The offseason is: Free agency, the draft, and preseason. You can sign free agents and trade players during the preseason, but it’s not free agency moves. It is preseason moves during the offseason.
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by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 18, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
what does the F7 key do?
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
SpecialBrownie has lead on that one.
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by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 18, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
From your same theory, trades that happen during the draft are not draft day trades, but simply offseason trades.
What?
You can sign free agents and trade players during the preseason, but it’s not free agency moves.
Again, what? You are making zero sense.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 18, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
All i was saying is, free agents signed during the preseason or regular season are not through free agency. Trades in free agency didnt seem to bother you last year flea
I never said that trades during the offseason free agent signing period bothered me, just that you can’t call a trade a free agency move. To say that signing a free agent during any part of the year not a free agency move is a contradiction. Signing a player is a free agency move. Trading for a player is not signing a player. Do you see where I’m getting at here?
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 19, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Like me explain to you the free agent signing period during free agency.
Restricted free agents – They have from opening day until one week before the draft to negotiate with any club. After this date that closes. The original club can tender or match offer sheets as well.
Unrestricted Free agents – They have from opening day til the first day of training camp to sign with any team. Teams have to have their rosters in under by training camp, thus ending the free agency period.
Do you see what i’m getting at? Free agents signed during the regular season, are simply free agent signings. They fall outside of the free agency period.
The article i posted pointed out that trades are a part of free agency.
How many more people have to tell you that you are wrong before you realize it?
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 19, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
From your same theory, trades that happen during the draft are not draft day trades, but simply offseason trades.
This is the only thing I’m going to post here, because you’re being incredibly dense and I don’t think you’ll get it, but here goes:
By your logic, trades that happen on draft day are not trades, but draft picks, because they happened during the draft period. Do you see how silly that is?
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by notthatnoise on Jan 19, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Trades =/= Drafts =/= FA Signings
A draft day trade is a trade. Nothing more. Drafting a player is drafting a player. Signing a FA player is signing a FA player. Pretty straight forward I think. All are inclusive of the “off-season” in general.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
exactly.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 19, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
You are talking in circles and contradicting yourself with the words of your own link.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 17, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not contradicting myself. That is the point you don’t understand. There is a difference between free agency and free agents. Just like i know there is a difference between free agents and trades, but the fact is they are both part of free agency.
Not to you in particular browns8, this is just the last post, but in total this is getting ridiculous.
Browns8 is just talking about a certain period of the football year. The day that free agency begins and teams can begin signing new players is free agency it seems quite obvious that he is talking about trades that occur during this period, as opposed to trades that occur during the season before the trade deadline.
Yeah it might sound weird but it’s not all that difficult to understand nor does it 20,000 posts arguing back and forth about it. Then again this is DBN.
nfl.com
If that’s what he was arguing he was doing it awfully. he said Trades made during that period were free agent pickups, which is factually incorrect.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 19, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Show me where i said trades were free agent pickups. I know that trades are not free agent pickups. One last time, this link, will show you what i mean. In the link it talks about boldin trade in free agency. This is all im talking about, trading is a way to make a splash in free agency. Im not calling trades, free agent pickups. Im calling trades free agency moves.
Cleveland Browns in Free Agency:
The browns were obviously active right away with the trading of corey williams. It doesnt get anymore clear than that.
We had 3 huge free agency pickups last. Hillis, Brown, and Fujita.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 19, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
That’s my point, free agency pickups, not free agent pickups. Fujita was a free agent pickup. Brown and hillis were trade pickups. Together they are free agency pickups. The link shows that trades are a part of free agency.
Free agent pickups = free agency pickups, it does not matter when they are signed. An off season trade =/= free agency. The period where you can sign players and the period where you can trade players both occur at the same time, that doesn’t mean they are the same thing.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 19, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, just Shut up already
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
by bross09 on Jan 19, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You know it’s bad when Bross is telling you to shut up already. (not a dig, just a light-hearted jab)
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 19, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Incorrect.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
There you go.
If you really want to disagree with nfl.com, then go right ahead.
Also I might add that you forgot Ben Watson.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 16, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
And Watson is our leading receiver.
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by BrownDawg1409 on Jan 16, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
According to the most basic of economic principles, every free agent signs for precisely what they are worth (not true of RFA’s and draftees). However, according to common sense, they all make way too much (inclusive of RFA’s and draftees). Just another reason why economics =/ common sense.
In any event, the people who are making the big bucks are the ones writing the checks to the players who, surprise, won’t tell us how much they make. See here (first example of difference between “rich” and “wealthy” at about 20 seconds).
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 9, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
AH! A GHOST!!!
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by BrownDawg1409 on Jan 10, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sign him and our secondary takes an amazing jump. You have a chance to get one of the best, do it. There is also this;
According to STATS LLC, Asomugha was targeted on just 33 pass attempts this season. He allowed 13 completions for 205 yards and no touchdowns, burnishing his reputation as a shutdown cornerback.
The secondary is still a need. Who knows if Wright will rebound next season and Brown is getting older. I’m sure that Asomugha will go a contender but if the Browns could sign him to a reasonable contract it would enable them to concentrate on the bigger needs in the draft this year.
IMO, the biggest needs in order are: WR, DE, OL, RB, LB, CB. The first three are obvious. We need more depth at RB, more speed and youth at LB, and a little security at CB if Wright doesn’t bounce back. On the other hand, CB might be a bigger need considering the depth we already have a LB.
TJ Ward... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.
Wright is a free agent so we can’t really assume he will be on the team next year.
by Roger Dorn on Jan 10, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thank God Almighty!
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by dawgtribe on Jan 10, 2011 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haden and Asomugha would be a scary backfield. I thought maybe QBs would stop throwing Haden’s way, but not if we’ve got Nnamdi back there. I don’t care how much we have to pay. It’s not my money.
I don’t care how much we have to pay. It’s not my money.
Agree with this sentiment except to the extent it affects the salary cap that will likely be imposed after the labor situation is resolved. On that note, I doubt he gets signed before the CBA is resolved.
Bottom line is that I think it is highly unlikely we sign him even if we want to. A contender would likely be willing to pay as much as we would, and Nnamdi would want to go with a team that is a contender over us. Maybe if we keep Rob Ryan, he would be interested.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 10, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Pay the man.
Shift Sheldon to FS, let Ward play SS.
I like it. Hell even our pass rush would look good.
Yeah, **** it, pay the man. Our team is bad. This will make us better.
He’s not Haynesworth, I don’t expect him to roll on the ground for $100 million.
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I would roll on the ground for $100 million. I would even roll in the mud, if that’s what it took.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 10, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Would Sheldon really be better than Abe? I thought he did pretty well this season, especially seeing as he was playing alongside Wright and a rookie SS all season.
And isn’t he more suited for SS anyway?
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 11, 2011 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
I like him, but I agree. he is a very good backup Safety, but probably a bit below average as a starter.
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
I think you guys are underestimating how bad some safeties in this league are. Elam was fine this year.
I think he was “fine” but we could definitely use an upgrade. Anything around average when you are a 5-11 team I would consider “fine”.
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
We could be a playoff team with Abe Elam as a starting safety. Our defense was playoff caliber except for the last game.
I wasn’t nearly that high on him.
I think he is completely replaceable.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 12, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
I really like the kid out of UCLA in the 2nd.
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Rahim Moore?
His coverage is good, and his tackling isn’t that much of a liability at the FS spot.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 14, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’m gonna go out on a limb here.
Nmandi > Wright.
by discoinferno083 on Jan 10, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions
I hope this is a joke. Thats not a limb at all.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 11, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
it clearly was.
If Wright is a FA and Nmandi is a FA, let’s do the math.
by discoinferno083 on Jan 11, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Is Rogers deal up this year? If so, reallocate tose funds for spending highly on Nnamdi. This would allow the draft to focus on other positions of need first.
Latest is San Diego interested in Asomugha — Damn!
Wonder how much he’s costing?
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In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 15, 2011 11:39 AM EST reply actions
Jammar’s a decent CB. Solid in coverage, but doesn’t create turnovers. I’d like to sign that.
Plus he’s got a GREAT name for a corner.
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by BrownDawg1409 on Jan 16, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Teams throw away from him.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’d love to have 2 CBs that teams don’t want to throw to. Hopefully if we don’t draft one we add one in FA. But from what I’ve heard, Heckert likes building outside in so maybe we will draft one.
I’m not so sure he likes building outside-in. That would really fly in the face of what almost every football person out there would tell you.
Obviously, the quality of the player being chosen at the position is of huge importance. If you are looking at a guy you think will be of the Revis/Nnamdi/Woodson tier or a guy you think could be a pretty good DT, you take the CB. This is the only situation where I think it would be a good idea to take a CB in the first. If Peterson and Amukamara are there, we should think hard about it—obviously depending on the DL also available.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
we’ve talked about this before … i’m a believer that great DBs can make your pass rush look a heck of a lot better, so if peterson/amukamara there and there’s no fairley or bowers, i’m of the mind to take the DBs.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 19, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
well, at that point they’re probably BPA.
More importantly, the reverse of that relationship works much better.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 19, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
true enough, on both counts (although i’ve seen dareus thrown around as a top 6 or 8 guy). a great pass rush can cover up for some pretty shoddy coverage skills … moreso than great coverage can mask pass rush inadequacies.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 19, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
we need it, either way.
no more opposing QB’s leaving games with clean jerseys.
by discoinferno083 on Jan 19, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Then bill it back to us fans. What a racket.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 16, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Were aren’t the Bengals.
Our owner actually spends money.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 16, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
and he’s got the lowest ticket prices in the league.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 18, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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