Around the AFC North (10/20): Bengals Pull Off a Steal
In today's edition of Around the AFC North, I specifically talk about the big trade a few days ago involving the Bengals and the Raiders.
Last year, the Cincinnati Bengals were a mess. Despite having three big-name veteran players on offense in QB Carson Palmer, WR Chad Ochocinco, and WR Terrell Owens, the team finished with a 4-12 record and their team surrendered a lot of points.
Prior to this season, I predicted that the Bengals would be even worse off when they they dumped both receivers and had to find a new quarterback because Palmer was demanding a trade. I thought it was a good idea to get rid of the receivers, but I thought it would take time before a new group of offensive players would be able to move the ball effectively. When the Bengals drafted Andy Dalton in the second round of this year's draft, it seemed like they conceded that Palmer would not be in their plans at quarterback this year after his trade demand, but Mike Brown stuck to his word of not dealing the veteran quarterback...until the very last second, that is.
I was stunned what the Oakland Raiders gave up to acquire Palmer, but desperate times call for desperate measures. The Oakland Raiders just lost their owner, and this is a move that would probably make Al Davis proud. In fact, it seems as if his manner of operations still remains within the Raiders organization. Sitting at 4-2, the Raiders look like a team that could make the postseason this year, and they just lost starting quarterback Jason Campbell due to the Cleveland Browns. To show how little faith they had in Kyle Boller leading the team to victory, the team immediately sought out the services of David Garrard, a surprise cut by the Jaguars before the season. He said he needed surgery, so to really make sure they didn't have to use Boller, the Raiders coughed up a first-round draft choice in 2012 and a conditional first-round draft choice in 2013. That 2013 pick will become a second-round pick if Palmer fails to win a playoff game as a Raider.
The Bengals already appear to have done a tremendous job in this year's draft. QB Andy Dalton has shown a great deal of confidence and late-game moxy, while WR A.J. Green is living up to his billing as the best receiver from this year's class. The Bengals are a surprising 4-2, and now they might have four first-round draft picks over the next two years? Yikes.
At least the Browns have two first-round picks in 2012. Keep losing, Atlanta.
Raiders head coach Hue Jackson talked about Palmer and getting him prepared for the offense. He will start this week against the Kansas City Chiefs:
Why did you want Carson Palmer so badly?:
"Because this guy can help us get to where we want to go. This guy is going to help us win a championship. I’m convinced of it, I know it without any shadow of a doubt. He’s got all the characteristics I look for in a quarterback. He’s got it."
What’s your argument to those who say the team mortgaged its future and gave up to much to get Palmer?:
"Everybody’s entitled to their opinion. I respect that, what other people think. But that don’t mean that’s what I think. The people here within the organization, we made the best decision that we thought for our football team. I think it’s the right decision and I stand by it and we move forward."
Be more specific when it comes to the attributes that you like:
"He’s got a big arm. He can make every throw in football that a quarterback needs to make. He still has mobility; he can still move around and make those throws outside of the pocket. He’s a tremendous leader. People follow him and he has the ability to elevate his teammates’ play around him because he demands that from the players."
If it were not for the injury to Jason Campbell, would we be having this conversation right now?:
"Absolutely we would not be having this conversation. Jason was doing great and leading this team to where it needed to go, but down he went and so we had to step up and make the next best decision."
Is it possible that Palmer is ready this Sunday?:
"You never know. I’ve had him for several hours now and we’re going to work on the playbook and we’re going to go out on the practice field tomorrow and see where we are."
The Browns, meanwhile, were reportedly contacted by several teams about running back Peyton Hillis, but Cleveland was not interested. It's amazing how Tony Grossi was probably the reason the Browns had to field calls in the first place.
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I’d be curious to know what those calls were.
"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping
by discoinferno083 on Oct 20, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
guess we didn’t want Jerome Harrison back.
"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping
by discoinferno083 on Oct 20, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
A report earlier today said that Jerom Harrison has a brain tumor.
The only reason they found out was because of the physical. Lucky dude, in that aspect.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
what if the tumor gave him really amazing abilities like john travolta in that movie?
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
Nothing funny about a brain tumor.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 20, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they’re saying he lucked out because of how early they found it… He should be able to live a normal life after surgery.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
As much as I wouldn’t like to see Hillis go, I would like to know what teams were offering in the way of picks and/or personnel.
by chitown browns fan on Oct 20, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
If Detroit were to have offered a first and a second a la Oakland for him, I would have gift wrapped the mofo and sent him with a complimentary edible arrangement.
by chitown browns fan on Oct 20, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
If Detroit were to have offered a first and a second a la Oakland for him, I would have gift wrapped the mofo and sent him with a complimentary edible arrangement.
If the Saints would have offered Drew Brees for him, I would have done the same. And, just to complete the sentiment, if the Queen had balls, she’d be the king.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 20, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If the queen had balls, she’d be a tranny.
by chitown browns fan on Oct 20, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, I keep waking up each day to the hope that Matt Ryan is trapped in well.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
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My glass is always half full, b*tch
by The Licensed Optimist on Oct 20, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy is going to help us win a championship.
Really?
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
It’s the Raider perspective. Big, brash, etc. The fan base loves it.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Oct 20, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They didn’t have a first round pick this past draft either. I think they’re used to it.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 20, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
When you use your first pick on Jamarcus Russell, sometimes it might be better just not to have one.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 20, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thank you for following my advice of last week when i said less steeler talk on these articles.
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
Any time.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Oct 20, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
next time though, no bengals talk either.
and keep the ravens out of here too.
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
by pwndabear on Oct 20, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, unless it is bad news.
For example something like “Hines Ward shatters knee cap. Out for season.” might be acceptable.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Oct 20, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
fix'd
Hines Ward Total asshole shatters knee cap no longer smiling. Out for season.
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
by pwndabear on Oct 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec.
My glass is always half full, b*tch
by The Licensed Optimist on Oct 20, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think of this as a pretty good deal for both teams.
It is obvious for Cincy as they get a lot of future team-building value. I do think though that they aren’t as good as they appear right now. Three of their 4 wins came against the Browns, Jags and Colts… total record for those teams 3-14. They did beat the Bills which is encouraging for them but it was a slim victory. They have the benefit of the same soft schedule the Browns have for the remainder of the season but my guess is that they will be derailed by the Ravens and Steelers and will miss the playoffs by a couple of games. But trading a guy that was sitting on his butt for what they got was all good.
You can say Oakland gave a lot for Palmer but it is a gamble particularly suited to their situation. They have a lot of good elements they can put around him. Palmer knows their system and I’ve read that he even knows the terminology for the plays. Their alternative was to play Boller who is a huge step down. They have a chance this year. I admire their courage in going for it.
Brownsyup
Nothing much to add. Bengals fleeced the Raiders here any way you look at it. Bravo to them for getting a 1st and a conditional for a QB they had no intention on allowing to play for their team again.
Bengals look strong for the future. I don’t know if Andy Dalton is a real long-term answer for them, but their defense obviously has something going right. Just makes me even more frustrated since I had sort of counted on the Bengals going through a multi-year rebuilding, making it easier for us to get wins in the AFC North. At least Pitt has looked old as fuck and Flacco is still a roller coaster.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Oct 20, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions

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