Too Many Highlights to Count in Browns' 6-3 Win over Seahawks
Or not.
I thought the Seahawks vs. Browns game would be the epitome of ineptitude when it came to offense for Week 7, but then again, I guess you could say that the Oakland Raiders and Baltimore Ravens (!) were much worse off than Cleveland was. I think it would be fair to term Cleveland's offensive performance as very frustrating, but if you really dig deep and sift through that frustration, I think you'll find some positives.
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WEEK 6 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS VS. CLEVELAND BROWNS (COMPLETE GAME REVIEW)
- Awarding Game Balls: TE Alex Smith - It's not every week that what you don't do on the stat sheet translates to a game ball. Smith only had one catch against the Seahawks, but he somehow got under the skin of Seahawks defensive end Red Bryant, who had blocked two field goals during the game. Bryant's headbutt to Smith got him ejected, and that prevented Cleveland from having to put any faith in their special teams units to close out the game. Full game ball award given here.
- Goat of the Week: ST Coach Chris Tabor - I rarely, if ever, give a game ball or a goat of the week award to a non-player. I felt I had to this week because of how the special teams unit nearly cost us the game. I was crushed when we did not retain Brad Seely in the offseason, and so many critical errors in a short period of time would never have occurred under his watch. Against the Seahawks, a team not necessarily known for being a special teams juggarnaut, two of Phil Dawson's field goal attempts were blocked up the middle and Leon Washington returned a punt for a touchdown. Had the officials not given the Browns a gift on a block-in-the-back call, that touchdown would have stood.
- Starting the Game Better: I was hoping for a good start offensively from Cleveland, but on two consecutive third down plays over a span of two series, Colt McCoy's passes were thrown horribly off target to open receivers. The Browns have still only scored three first quarter points this season.
- Offense After That: Not As Bad: Disclaimer: I am not trying to paint a pretty picture just to sweep the negatives under a rug. Obviously the standards are describing are low, but I still believe this team is on the cusp of getting over some of their issues offensively.
As I said in the introduction, our offense was not worthless. Here is what the Browns did after their first two drives in the first half (I don't include the sixth drive since it was with about 20 seconds left in the half):
3rd Drive: Got 31 yards away from the end zone (field goal blocked)
4th Drive: Got 35 yards away from the end zone (field goal)
5th Drive: Got 38 yards away from the end zone (punt)
7th Drive: Got 30 yards away from the end zone (interception)
8th Drive: Got 70 yards away from the end zone (punt)
9th Drive: Got 78 yards away from the end zone (punt)
10th Drive: Got 35 yards away from the end zone (field goal)
11th Drive: Got 6 yards away from the end zone (field goal blocked)
What does this tell you?
- Finding the Right Play Calls: The Browns were putting together some pretty decent drives throughout the game, but they kept stalling in the same exact spot (about 30-35 yards away from the end zone). That did, however, help Cleveland maintain good field position and control the clock. Even though the point total was low, those two factors helped the Browns win this game.
Now the question is this: how do we get over the hump and get closer to the end zone? I think we saw our answer on the 11th drive of the game when we ran back-to-back flat passes to our running backs. One of those passes went to Chris Ogbonnaya on 3rd-and-4 from the...34 yard line. The next play, on first down from the 28 yard line, we ran the play again, this time to Montario Hardesty, and it took us down to the 13 yard line.
- Keep on Doing That: If the green light didn't go off in Pat Shurmur's head after seeing how well those two plays turned out, then I don't know if it ever will. I think McCoy needs to start looking for his running backs more often too -- they are shiftier than our receivers and tight ends, and there have been way too many plays in which I've seen McCoy try to force a ball to a receiver when our running back has a free release out of the backfield and into the flat. Some of our most clutch pass plays this season have come via the running backs (remember the Hardesty fourth-down conversion against Miami?).
- More Moore by Default: An injury (concussion) to Benjamin Watson forced Evan Moore into seeing more reps, with some even coming from the traditional tight end position. Moore finished the game with 4 catches for 35 yards. I think some fans questioned his lack of a hit on the intercepting Seahawk (David Hawthorne) on the Browns' first drive of the third quarter.
My response is what I have said before on Moore: the guy is out there to catch the ball, but he's awkward and brittle. My expectations are not that he is going to suddenly plow into the defender and break up the pass. That's not the type of player he is, and I'm fine with that. It's not like he threw his hands in the air and started walking toward the sideline as soon as the pick happened.
- Whitehurst is Terrible: That was an awful performance from Charlie Whitehurst, and I'm glad that we have a defense that prevented him from gaining confidence. Whitehurst's throws were often much worse than McCoy's, and the one time he did have a wide open receiver in Sidney Rice, the ball was poorly thrown, forcing Rice to go out of bounds instead of walk in for a touchdown. That turned out to be a big difference maker, as Cleveland's defense held Seattle out of the end zone.
- Ward Starting to Elevate: Maybe I should start giving more anti-game balls out, because I've noticed more fire in safety T.J. Ward over the past two weeks. Ward led the team with 7 tackles, defended a pass, and had a sack/forced fumble on Whitehurst in the first half. I couldn't believe my eyes when that blitz actually worked, because historically, when Cleveland runs that, the quarterback sees it and takes advantage. Ward got there just in time to help force a fumble that D'Qwell Jackson recovered.
- Knee Sprain? What Knee Sprain? I didn't see any ill-effects of cornerback Joe Haden missing nearly two weeks of practice. The Seahawks don't scare anyone at receiver, but it was still good to see Haden make it through the game healthy and effective. He added a couple of aggressive tackles, and I call shenanigans on the play in which he was flagged for pass interference.
- The Greco-for-Lauvao Watch: I am dying to re-watch the game and focus on John Greco at right guard after he replaced Shawn Lauvao (knee injury). Ironically, I was calling for Greco in the first half of the game. I'd like to see if he had anything to do with Cleveland seemingly being able to run the football better in the second half.
- All-Purpose Cribbs: If I understand correctly, Joshua Cribbs played kickoff coverage against Seattle, but not punt coverage. He should be on both, but I wonder if Mohamed Massaquoi's concussion will reduce Cribbs' special teams role until he is able to come back. Cribbs dropped one pass during the game that looked like it could've led to a lot of YAC, but he came back with a tough third-down catch to move the chains on the next play.
- Special Teams Tackles: There were five special teams tackles by the Browns, with WR Joshua Cribbs, LB Kaluka Maiava, LB Titus Brown, K Phil Dawson, and LB Quinton Spears each having a tackle. Dawson's tackle game after his first blocked field goal.
- The Rarity: I think we need to give another standing ovation to what our defense accomplished, even if the Seahawks were without their regular starting quarterback and running back. Cleveland held the Seahawks to just 137 yards of total offense! Per the News Hearld, that was the fewest yardage allowed since the Browns held the New Orleans Saints to 127 yards in a 17-13 victory on Dec. 5, 1993, meaning we set a new post-expansion era record on defense.
- Brownies: The Browns clearly won the third-down conversion battle, converting on 12-of-24 attempts (50% rate) compared to Seattle's 17% conversion rate...because of that dominance, Cleveland won the time of possession battle 42:56 to 17:04...punter Brad Maynard had his first shank (it only went nine yards), but thankfully it didn't hurt much since we were punting in an area that was just outside field goal range...I do not have any idea why Shurmur suddenly gets super aggressive in his pass playcalling when there is less than 30 seconds left in the first half and we're far away from the end zone...CB Sheldon Brown had the first interception by a Browns cornerback this season...RB Chris Ogbonnaya provided a nice boost in the absence of Peyton Hillis...LB Chris Gocong had two more quarterback hits and a sack that went for a nine-yard loss...FOX's tandem of Ron Mora Jr. and Jim Pitts was pretty bad.
Up next, the Browns head back to the West Coast to take on the San Francisco 49ers. They are a very tough team to run against; so much, that I am going to declare it a near-impossible task for us. I don't mean to underestimate the 49ers at 5-1 because they are playing very well, but personally, I would've rated the Raiders (two weeks back) as a tougher opponent than the 49ers.
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regarding Greco
I’d like to see if he had anything to do with Cleveland seemingly being able to run the football better in the second half.
There was one play in particular (I think the 3rd quarter) where Greco was highlighted by the broadcasters in a replay. He got way out in space and set a nice lead block, which resulted in a Hardesty first down run. I can’t recall Lavaou making too many plays like this in the past 6 games.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the run game started to pick up after he left the game. We shall see, though.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
If Greco greater than Lavou – I still think Lavou is better than Pinkston. Would be great if Greco is our best guard – fix it now.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Perhaps a mix up couldn’t hurt. Lauvao was praised by LeCharles Bentley after the Tenn. game, whatever that may mean.
Both are still transitioning to their spots on the line. Neither is playing their college position.
Lauvao had the most starts at LG in college. I think you’re on to something.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
I’m not convinced that LeCharles Bentley knows what he’s talking about. A lot of his statements tend to be contradictory.
But yes, this would be great if we found a fix at guard for the rest of the season.
by Off-the-Chain on Oct 25, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
is LeChuck doing local stuff in cleveland?
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He was a call in guest on 92.3. Not a huge fan of his, but I totally support his decision in leaving that joke of a station on 850am. What a bunch of dickweeks.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
Wait, who threw this pass?

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Couldn’t have been Colt. It was just probably a normal DA pass on a short route.
Dawgs By Nature: Where we REALLY love belt buckles.
by Adrock2099 on Oct 25, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Ah yes, the laser beam short route, drilled through the earth… Trademarked by DA.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
YOU GUYS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS WOULD NEVER ALLOW THIS DUUUUH
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
Actually…
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 26, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
uncle rico?
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
First of all, great call on goat of the week. Secondly, even I cannot defend some of the throws that Colt has made – and I am disappointed. Still, I have not given up on him, and I think it is critical that he improve. I just cannot get excited about drafting Luck at the price of 4 number 1 draft picks, or using our first pick on a QB that may not be any better. Here is why I still have hope on Colt:
1. Everyone sucks right now. Look at Hillis stats, Hardesty. I can’t prove it statistically but the OL sucks too.
2. Shurmur sucks too. It is obvious that the D is clamping down on us and he has to dial up some plays that offer a deep threat while max protect.
3. Still like his leadership – big time. He has been clean blindsided with potential career enders in consecutive weeks – no bitching – just work.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
by realmccoy on Oct 25, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
So basically everyone sucks, except Colt and that’s why he can’t make accurate throws?
by HenryDawg on Oct 25, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo!
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Oct 25, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No – he sucks too. Really disappointed. If he can get his stuff together though – would be a huge boost if we could dedicate first 2 picks to game breakers.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
How about this instead – Colt starts hitting wide open receivers and show some ability to throw down the field or we use one or both of those picks to draft a new QB next year
I agree he is getting a fair shot and if he doesn’t deliver – we have to go in a different direction. But at the same time – there are so many other problems – and they have to get better for anyone to succeed. The biggest damning evidence is the entire offense is not improving. These are young guys that should be better than their baseline performance last year. Where is Hillis vs. last year? Where is Robo? The whole thing is a mess. I think Hillis can be a beast in the WCO. I think MoMass can be better. I have not given hope that Colt can get it together.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Won’t we all feel silly about this discussion whenever Colt is lifting the Lombardi Trophy in February?
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
by Dawg Nuts on Oct 26, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In all seriousness though, regarding the last part of mccoy’s third point. If nothing else I do believe Colt is showing some physical toughness, and many people have expressed serious concerns about his durability in the past.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Oct 25, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
+100%
one tough determined kid. just the type i would like to see make it big. our team needs this to happen. someone needs to step up and shoulder the burden of leadership on offense. i think McCoy can do this, and he wants to. here’s hoping that holmgren and shurmur give the kid the rest of the season to see if he can get there or not. gotta remember that with hardly a preseason to work with and learning the wco, is not an easy thing to do. bottom line i think colt will be just fine, needs to show continuing improvement this year, and come out blazing guns next.
If I hear "wait til next year!" one more time... "&*&^$%#@()*%*&()%#$^*()%$"
here’s hoping that holmgren and shurmur give the kid the rest of the season to see if he can get there or not.
you have nothing to worry about here. colt will take 100% of the snaps in 2011, barring injury — or a wildcat or two.
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. No chance of a Seneca sighting unless Colt is injured. But don’t count on him showing continuous improvement with “easy” games in the early to mid-season and the tough games at the end. My guess is there will be a lot of McCoy apologists at the end of the season saying things like “he did pretty well considering he as playing the number 1/2/3 defense in the league”. I don’t believe our QB search is over after what I’ve seen so far. It is up to Colt to make me a believer.
Brownsyup
Did my eyes deceive me or was McCoy actually trying to change up plays, call out adjustments, or in some other way cognizant of the defense in this game? After some of the discussions in the past I was looking for that in this game – so maybe I only just noticed something that he has been been doing all along, and thus is still lacking. Did anyone else notice anything along those lines?
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
I completely agree with you. I haven’t given up on Colt. He is in a tough situation with a porous O-Line, crappy run support, and no viable receivers. Eight to ten hits per game doesn’t help anything either. Colt will improve once all the young guys start to mature and they get some better players around him, like at least one pro-bowl caliber receiver. Seriously, the guy has only started 14 games, give him a break!
I haven’t given up on Colt but he is quickly becoming the weak link on this team. Missing a wide open Watson on a short pass for a first down, barely attempting passes 5 yards beyond the LOS is what is killing this offense.
Maybe I watched a different game, but I saw Colt make quite a few throws longer than 5 yards. He wasn’t exactly Brett Favre heaving lasers down field, but he wasn’t as terrible as some are making him sound.
You could count the number of throws beyond ten yards on your hands.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya he had some long throws alright… the longest was under-thrown to Moore (picked off). Not a shot against McCoys strength because I dont doubt his ability to put the ball around the field, its his accuracy that shows flaws.
This throw was made on the run. Colt is not firing well on the run. The probelm is when he has stood in the pocket and had time he is not been accurate either. I blame it on that he is utterly shocked he had that much time.
he wasn’t as terrible as some are making him sound
he really was, and he has been all season.
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Someone says Colt has been terrible and your response is
Well I guess if you expect him to be Aaron Rodgers, then he has been terrible.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
Umm yes that was my response?
Are we forgetting that Colt has only had 14 games of experience, 2 different offensive systems, no offseason to learn the system, and the talent around him is just as poor as he is? I’m not making excuses for his play, I’m tempering my expectations for him because he’s not been in a good situation yet. And despite all of that, he’s the best QB I think we’ve had since Couch.
by Legoman0721 on Oct 26, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And he’s better than Frye, Anderson, Quinn, Gradkowski, Dorsey…
by Legoman0721 on Oct 27, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Derek Anderson’s 2007 season is still way better than anything Colt has ever done.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 27, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
yea but DA’s 2007 lead into his 2008 season which is much worse than anything I’ve ever done.
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
My point is there’s a ton of area below Rodgers.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
there’s a ton of area below Rodgers
“Air Rodgers” – has a nice ring to it.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Oct 27, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
awww, c'mon....
weak link? does scrambling for your life 1.1 seconds after getting the ball from center make you a weak link? the man needs protection plain and simple, and he’s not getting it. try making accurate throws while you’re scrambling for your life, and see how accurate you can be. when he gets time to throw and he’s not rushed, he is pretty accurate. but i do agree with you, and i’ve said it many times, how can you convert a 3&4 when the ball doesn’t get passed the los? but i’m sure that will change when we can give him better protection.
If I hear "wait til next year!" one more time... "&*&^$%#@()*%*&()%#$^*()%$"
Sometimes the protection is good and he misses passes. I don’t think its 100% one thing or another, but the fact is that NFL QBs need to make accurate throws when under pressure.
Mostly I don’t think he’s seeing the field all that well yet also. I re-watched some of the game last night and he did make some nice throws. Even on the INT, you can’t blame him completely for trying to complete a pass to Evan Moore covered by a MLB but it was still double coverage and you needed a perfect pass to thread it in there.
That was a terrible decision. You can blame him.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 26, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
McCoy needs to start making the easy throws just as much as he needs better protection…
On that intercepted pass intended for Evan Moore in the Seattle game, he had all day to throw. He also stared a hole through Moore.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
I am confounded by it every time I see him stare down a receiver. McCoy is smarter than that, I mean WTF? Looking off defenders doesn’t seem like rocket science.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Oct 26, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re letting what you saw in college dictate what he’s doing in the pros. Mora summed it up pretty well: In College everyone is open, in the Pros, nobody is.
I just think its still going to fast for him, but I do expect it to slow down. Of course if he can’t see the field well enough that could be another problem.
Staring down receivers seems to be the hallmark of Cleveland QB play. I thought we would get past that when everyone (excluding those who didn’t) started talking about how smart Colt is. Hopes … dashed.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
when he gets time to throw and he’s not rushed, he is pretty accurate
first of all, he’s really not. he’s missed a bunch of unbelievably easy throws w/ no one in his face.
and secondly, being rushed and having defensive pressure is a fact of life in the nfl. if he needs to wait until “he’s not rushed” to be accurate, then he’s got no chance.
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
right now he is absolutely the weakest link in a pathetic offense. signs are not good for colt.
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
weakest link
I still think this is a close call between Colt and the o-line, so I’d have to quibble just a bit about the “absolutely” part. And not just because they have arguably been at best mediocre in pass protection (trying to be nice here), but our running game is also suffering behind them.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Oct 26, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i think o-line is 2, but to me colt is clearly 1.
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose one could argue that if your QB is playing badly, by default he is automatically your weakest link since he’s by far the most important position on offense.
Still can’t help but be irritated by the o-line situation though.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Oct 26, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
purely a matter of taste, at this point. 1, 2 … 2, 1 … there’s a lot of crappy play happening on the offense, and it’s all irritating.
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say the weakest link is the offensive line. They make it difficult for Colt, they make it difficult for the running game and they make it difficult for Phil Dawson
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
No, I think Colt is making it difficult for the running game and the O-Line. If the OL were Colt’s problem he wouldn’t screw up the worst when he has the most time.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 26, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really think he is screwing up the worst when he has the most time really. His passer rating out of the shotgun I believe is over 85 and the shotgun formation gives him in general more time to throw. At least one of his INTs have been him trying to force it and make a play after a while, but that’s about it I remember of him “screwing up when he has the most time”.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Screwing up isn’t just INTs, though. It also encompasses missing open receivers or just not seeing them.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
I didn’t just talk about INTs. I was talking about the shotgun formation and he completes more passes and has a higher QB rating out of the shotgun and generally you get more time in the shotgun.
I think with time, he can be an average/slightly below average QB (low 80s QB rating) right now, but the O-Line play isn’t doing him any favors. He is his worst when pressured, but that doesn’t mean he is an all pro QB when he has time either (he is pretty average then)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I think with time, he can be an average/slightly below average QB (low 80s QB rating) right now
classic bross…
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you forgot to mention the crappy coaching.
"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping
by discoinferno083 on Oct 25, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people confuse bad line play with the defense blitzing. I think this has been a common characteristic for the browns the past few years. Defenses will blitz the QB and we cant handle it. Delhomme was the best QB since 99 at reading, hot routing, and converting on those blitzes- and this is the major part of the game that McCoy is struggling in. I think McCoy has the accuracy but he has sorta like a “happy arm” instead of happy feet. Some sort of mental thing from getting hit.
I think people confuse bad line play with the defense blitzing
this is a really good point.
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent title Chris- how do I make it green?
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by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brad Seely +Ted Ginn Jr. = me drinking 1,000 beers this Sunday.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
I have major respect for the guy. He’s quite talented.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
yeah… if our special teams doesn’t man the f up, we’re in trouble.
"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping
by discoinferno083 on Oct 25, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t understand why teams put their star kick/punt returner at wide receiver…oh wait…
by athensdawg on Oct 25, 2011 10:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
OT- I put up the enemy thread at the 9er blog. Need some help.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
Why does the internet have political prisoners?
A couple more of us showed up. Those are good guys over there.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
Why does the internet have political prisoners?
by Brownie's Year on Oct 25, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at the game Sunday, in section 146. I noticed the slot receiver being covered by a linebacker several times. Am I wrong to think this is a match-up Colt should be looking , because he didn’t even target that mismatch.
by athensdawg on Oct 25, 2011 9:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wheres the hate for Pinky from? I dont think he has been awful by any means. He has some mental mistakes leaving his gap too early sometimes, but I think he has shown more promise then Shawn has. Greco stepped in and this looked like a top 5 line again. Isnt Greco a young guy too?
Pinkston has been awful too. There really is very little positive to say about either guard so far.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
the number of times you see colt get hit or the rb get jammed at the line and pinkston is standing around looking at the sky w/o a defender anywhere near him is absolutely staggering.
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Bernard Berrian.
Do it.
Do it cheap.
"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping
by discoinferno083 on Oct 25, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
No. A thousand times no.
I'm entitled to my opinion. Especially if I'm wrong.
by Aussie Brown on Oct 26, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
So I have a question… What do you suppose the odds would be of Andy Reid getting fired in Philly and taking the HC position here in Cleveland? We could even make Pat Shurmur the OC and let him call his own plays… Then everyone is happy right??
wat u smokin’ dude
aint gonna happen…
If I hear "wait til next year!" one more time... "&*&^$%#@()*%*&()%#$^*()%$"
Agreed.
I'm entitled to my opinion. Especially if I'm wrong.
by Aussie Brown on Oct 26, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say 2:1 odds.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Oct 26, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Here in Philly it is all over the talk shows. They mention the Browns everyday. Reid being the Offensive Coordinator for the Browns in 2012 (especially if the Eagles implode. Philly fans are ruthless). They are looking for the Browns to make moves to draft a quarterback , keep McCoy and let the drafted quarterback learn for a year. It makes sense. Holmgren, Shurmur, and Reid.
Agreed. It makes too much sense. By definition that means the FO won’t do it.
I'm entitled to my opinion. Especially if I'm wrong.
by Aussie Brown on Oct 26, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
there’s no way reid would take an OC job after 12 years of essentially running the show in philly.
gutted out a win, great defensive performance, need more from the offense...
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No way in HELL does this happen.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
Why does the internet have political prisoners?
by Brownie's Year on Oct 26, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How did you get a case of Christmas Ale already?
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
It is what they are saying. I never said it would happen. Eagles fans are pissed that after 12 years Reid could not get them a Superbowl. Eagles Fans HATE McNabb. For a decade in Philly McNabb was the greatest quarterback in the league but when he failed to win a Superbowl and then was traded, he is now a bubble head “black” quarterback that was overrated and kept them from winning a Superbowl.
Now the same with Reid, he apparently is not a good big game coach. Although he has been to 5 NFC championhips in Philly and one Superbowl, he cant coach his way out of a bag now. These fans are moronic.
They have even brought up how coaches like Belichick were traded for draft picks and the Browns may be willing to trade for Andy Reid.
I am just telling you what is being said, I never said it would happen.
I am telling you. Phillies, Eagles, Flyers fans are idiots. They (Flyers fans) Booed a Cancer Advertisement to raise money for a cure because Sidney Crosby was one of the players asking for donations for a cure. THE CROWD BOOED LOUDLY. Soi they actually booed an ad to raise money for cancer! Pure class believe me.
The want Andy Reid’s head. Again rumors and yes hysterical.
Now you’re just being ridiculous.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
Why does the internet have political prisoners?
by Brownie's Year on Oct 26, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions

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