Building the Browns
The Browns are now 3-5, and having seemingly MORE offensive struggles than when it was switching from DA, to Brady Quinn, to Gradkowski and some other guy (I forget who it was.) So, the one thread before explaining why our offense sucks and our defense is so good, well good considering the young age of our defense, got me thinking and I think I have an idea of the overall direction of the Brownies.
Anyway, like I said before, the idea that our defense is better than our offense is quite obviously true. Well the post I mentioned explains it quite well but in simple terms, our top 2 picks in the last 2 drafts have been defensive (Haden and Ward in 2010, and Phil Taylor and Jabaal Sheard in 2011.) It looks to me like we're building through the draft in chunks. We drafted Secondary in 2010 and D-Line in 2011. On defense we need only a quality starting safety and a good corner to come in when Sheldon Brown fades, which it is still possible Skrine, Patterson and Hagg could fill these small needs. Now Linebacker is a different story. Aside from D'qwell, we need some better LBs. Fujita is just too slow. He can't cover the tight ends to save his life. And Gocong? I don't think I've heard his name all season. I actually almost forgot who our other OLB even was. So, in short, we're set on defense except Linebacker.
Now, the offense, oh the offense. What offense? The Browns offense, yes we actually have an offense. Its there, just look harder. See it? No? Didn't think so.
Where do I even start? O-Line is a good a place as any. We have Joe Thomas, aka Creator and Ruler of all that exists at LT, so that's a lock for, what, thirty more years? Fifty? Well I am not great enough to estimate the playing life span of Him. At Center we have Alex Mack, a draft pick I was dumbfounded by but now realize that is why I'm not an NFL scout. The rest of it is well terrible. Pashos at RT is like a glass figurine. I could probably break his arm by throwing a paper airplane at him. Lavauo is bad and so is Pinkston. Maybe they need more time but, frankly, I doubt it.
Then you have the Running Backs. Ogbonnaya, and Clayton right now. Ogbonnaya is a good back to give a feature back some rest, but no starter by any means. I saw one run from Clayton and he seems okay for the same role Obi would be good at, but not when the starter actually IS Obi.
We have some receivers other than Little and Cribbs... I think anyway. We have NO production from them when it counts, save for the ONE game winning TD against the Dolphins, but that's not impressive... AT ALL.
The tight ends are actually good if used properly. Watson has been quiet but rarely targeted. Smith and Moore are good too. But if you ask me, Shurmur isn't smart enough to use what we have better.
Finally, Colt, our QB. Not much for me to say except that I am out of his corner. Until he shows PROgression rather then REgression, I will refuse to support him. Although I do hope he improves and is our QBOTF.
So where does all that leave us, the fans. It leaves us screaming at the TV and drowning our frustrations in alcohol(not me, I'm not 21 yet.) Our plan seems to be that we are building the defense up first. You can't have your offense worried that they need to score every drive. So, that project is almost finished. Then we need to protect Colt better, so expect RT or perhaps a Guard. Then we need Receivers. Badly (BLACKMON PLEAAASEE /doubt.) Another RB and we're good. It may take two or three more years even so we need to be more patient. You know they say when you train a dog, it gets worse at first, then he behaves like you trained him to. So we need to just wait for our Dawgs to be worse first, then they will behave like they were drafted to behave.
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With two first round picks, I think we can get Broyles (not Blackmon or Luck) which would help diffuse alot of WR issues……after that i may be the minority here but wouldn’t be opposed to finishing Heckert’s defense project with an athletic pass rushing DE and LB witnext two picks. With Steinbach returning, and hopefully Hillis signing, i think our offense can wait one more year.
FYI – The Cleveland Browns, at week 10, currently have the best pass defense in the NFL. Sounds great doesn’t it?
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Broyles is plummeting right now. I think he’s the kind of guy some team will draft in the 2nd or 3rd and then people will ask “why did no one draft this guy earlier?” in two or three years.
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i still like jefferies, he has good size too.broyle is slipping because of injury. against him anywhere in the first, maybe second or third. still out on floyd, good abilities, but not sure about maturity
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 12, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Andrew Luck — I’d trade both our first rounders and next year’s first rounder for him. Too bad that price is way too low.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 11, 2011 6:19 PM EST reply actions
I don’t know that’s a steep price. We need to build, not a quick fix.
by macdowellm03 on Nov 11, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
more loser mentality. we aren’t building anything but losers. We need to start and get a “Manning” type quarterback and no more lame fixes. Both number 1s would be a low price to pay for immediate upgrade in a position we haven’t done anything in since KOSAR!
by kamasutraman_007 on Dec 3, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
We need to start and get a "Manning" type quarterback and no more lame fixes.
Is that all? Someone call Holmgren!
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s about what it would take, actually. I would do this year’s firsts and some package of picks outside the 2nd round.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
If its Miami, I think the price would probably be too high, if they would even entertain any offers.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 12, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Right now, I think there are only two teams that are at all likely to be at the #1 pick position that would consider making a trade instead of drafting Luck – St. Louis and Carolina. And I’m not too sure about St. Louis. I think if Carolina ends up with the pick, a team might be able to trade with them without necessarily breaking the bank.
If its not Carolina, the price is going to be astronical, and unless McCoy regresses between now and the end of the year, I’d be very surprised if the Browns paid that price, given the severe weakness and lack of depth across the board on our roster.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 14, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
If we go that direction, Heckert better loosen up about signing free agents, specifically on the offensive line. I’d hate to bet the farm on Luck and then get him killed.
yes we do need a RG and another WR. Desean Jackson would give the young qb a viable deep target right away. We got money to spend, lets not hold it to bring up the bottom of the North again.
by kamasutraman_007 on Dec 3, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
History shows too many busts to give up that many picks. If Luck isn’t all he’s suppose to be, then we have lost out on 3 to 5 draft choices. Just my opinion on a team that needs sooo frickin’ much more talent.
I agree with this. Also if you keep adding pieces around Colt and he still doesn’t work out, then you have a better team in place for the next guy. But I think we’re actually seen Colt start to throw some better passes and when he can set his feet he makes good throws. He needs to trust the players around him, even though they haven’t really given him reason to do so.
I also would have no problem taking one of the Not Luck guys. RG3 would be kind of a cool player who could sit and learn behind Colt for a bit and then take over if he doesn’t progress.
Colt is not the guy. Just like Quinn wasn’t the guy. We got 2 in the first last yr trading down. How’d they work for us? Still no pass rush and teams are running all over us. Reevaluate the draft class and see if there is hope of better drafting?
by kamasutraman_007 on Dec 3, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
The Browns have a bad history of drafting anyway. This statement isn’t true for all. see Packers. Mangini’s last draft was probably the best one in years: Haden, Ward and Colt? Last years is still out, but its not looking good 1-3. Who thinks we’ll do any better in the next draft or the next?
by kamasutraman_007 on Dec 3, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Why is this seasons 1-3 draft picks not looking good? Because I think they all look pretty good.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, so no one likes the direction that the offensive has been, myself included. Yes we could do many things, but determining which, thats the 100 million $ question. I have been in the finishing the Defense camp, and still believe that we should. No team in our division has a weak defense. yes the Steelers are getting really damn old, and so are big parts of the Ravens, with the Bengals being the not that bad really. With all 3 having good seasons, and our toileting again, we end upwith better players (supposedly – though the last 2 drafts haven’t been aweful).
Our offense stinks, straight up, though it isnt the QB’s fault and I am still on the McCoy bandwagon. The biggest malfunction is the BASE of all offense, it’s the line. Same could be said for the Defense, which is why I want a really good DE and CB in the first round. I really want the FO to work a package and have 2 picks in round 2, and take to quality OL and build the offense from there.
Any QB, given good protection will make it happen, even with our WR’s. I was very disappointed in our lack of a run at last years FA market, and maybe we might get a few holes filled this go around.
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I’d like to see us fortify our O-line and grab one of the top 4 qbs in the first, unless there is a dominant defensive playmaker available with our top pick.
I believe the game is won at the line of scrimmage, and am almost always a fan of drafting linemen high.
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That is for the linemen, not another QB
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I always like the idea of fortitfying the line. I also think we need a “face of our defense” kind of guy.
This draft does, however, look to be a pretty strong QB class. Since we have two first round picks, I wouldn’t mind using one on a QB.
by Uwe Blog on Nov 15, 2011 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Watching Stanford/Oregon. Luck can’t throw accurately because he can’t step into his throw? Yeah no thanks, we already have that QB.
by HenryDawg on Nov 12, 2011 9:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah we already have that QB, getting hammered before the throw can be made. Got anything else to say? Didn’t think so. We aren’t any good because our line blows, which causes the QB to either take the sack, or get rid of the ball too early before the WR’s can even turn there heads.
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... its Magic Man ... and El Diablo ... All wrapped up into one... It's GOD! otherwise known as Joe Thomas
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Do you mean “Luck hits his receivers in the hands too often, only to see them drop balls?” Because we kind of have that too.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I disagree. But not all of my next two drafts.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Do you mean "Luck hits his receivers in the hands too often, only to see them drop balls?" Because we kind of have that too.
We achieve that by system though; we can swap personnel in and out at QB and Reciever and still lead the league in dropsies. Eyeroll.
....just need a guy called Byner to play RT...
If we draft a QB in the first two rounds I’ll be kinda pissed. Theres a lot of things holding us back from being a contender right now, and QB is probably towards the middle/bottom of that list. Colt can at least be our place holder while we figure everything out, and if he can’t be the man, than well at least have created an environment where we can bring in a young QB and actually expect him to succeed. I’d say our off- season needs will be about as follows: WR, RT, LB, RB, S, CB, QB.
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by troy145 on Nov 16, 2011 4:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Depends on the recievers available I would take a RT next if a decent one is there or melvin ingram if he is still there unless he is going to fall further then I wait on him. But I take two LB’s to get some fresh blood there If I could. we also start to need to be looking at kicker Phil is geeting a lil old.
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I think Andrew Luck is going to be great. But the price tag is going to be too high.
Drew Brees will be a free agent and will be tagged. If you’re willing to send multiple firsts, why not do it for Brees? (Not that I would want the Browns to do that)
I would rather see the Browns take Barkley and use the rest of the picks to build up the rest of the roster. I think we all agree that the Browns depth is lacking severely. The Browns need to build that up. We simply can’t afford to use that many picks to move up.
There is no price too high for a franchise quarterback. If we think Luck is, then we have a foundation for 8-10 years at a position. We change every 2 yrs. We must use free agency better than we did this year. The browns need a RT, LB(s) and a deep threat. Massoquoi is not it, no matter how many of you want him to be.
by kamasutraman_007 on Dec 3, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Hi, I’m Bernie19Kosar. I think MoMass sucks. Always have for the most part.
Don’t know who you are confusing me with.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Browns Draft.....
If the Browns study the AFC North division at the receiver position, all three teams have a deep threat receiver except Cleveland (A.J. Green for Cincinnati, Torrey Smith for Baltimore and Mike Wallace for Pittsburgh). This should be the First pick in the draft for next year; Floyd of Notre Dame or Blackmon from Oklahoma State. Second pick should be linebacker without a doubt, third pick should be an All American offensive lineman whether it a Guard or Tackle. The Browns offensive line must get bigger in order to keep up with the competition. Not counting out the running back position, another big back, someone who can stay healthy, some player from a southern university such as Peyton Hillis from Arkansas,would be a great ideal for the cold weather and frigid breeze of the lake. If the Browns are looking a QB to Back up McCoy, look for a QB over the height of 6’3 3/4. Otto Graham, Vinny Testaverde, or the great Bernie Kosar, were all over the height of 6’2". Somebody on this blog will bring up Tim Couch, but he had no offensive line.

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