Hillis Ruled Out Against Bengals, but Ogbonnaya is Doing Well
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 22, 2011 8:41 AM EST
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It's remarkable how much better the running game looked this past Sunday against the Jacksonville Jaguars compared to previous weeks. I think we saw a lot of new wrinkles, including the offensive line hitting their blocks better, more utilization of the run game on the semi-draw plays, and Chris Ogbonnaya even getting a few nice little spin moves in there.
Is it frustrating that Ogbonnaya doesn't have "breakaway" speed? Yes, because it looked as though a faster player could have had a few bigger runs on Sunday. At the end of the day though, he held onto the football as a runner and a receiver, and finished the game with 21 carries for 115 yards and 1 touchdown to go along with 2 receptions for 19 yards.
Shurmur has already ruled out Peyton Hillis for this week's game against the Bengals, and it seems like they don't want to make the same mistake of bringing him back too early. Hardesty, on the other hand, is still a candidate to play this week. Shurmur was asked a few other questions about Ogbonnaya, Hardesty, and Hillis, which are highlighted after the jump.
(On if he was frustrated by Ogbonnaya running out of bounds during his 40-yard run) - "Well, that was a very long gain and at that point, I wouldn’t say we were dead into four-minute yet. We had changed the field there. You instruct the quarterback, he’s in with 20 (seconds on play clock), makes the play call, out with 12 and then try to snap it as close to one (second) as possible. At that point, it was such a long run and I was worried he pulled his hamstring. My understanding is he didn’t. The players are aware, when we’re in four-minute, which means we’re trying to move the ball, get first downs, stay in bounds, that is the one time when you’re killing clock when unless the guy is extremely wide open you can take a sack. The situation that dictates that, then you want to stay in bounds. At the end of the day, should he have probably stayed in bounds there? Probably, but at that point I didn’t tell them in the huddle yet it was four-minute."
(On the possibility of Ogbonnaya becoming the featured back) - "I think you play the best players and the guys that have produced you put them on the field. I think Chris has been very productive. He’s done things for our team that will warrant him playing, at least some, when our other guys come back. We’ll just see how it goes when they come back. I’m not concerned about that. That’s a good problem to have, when you have a line of guys that you feel good about."
(On how close
Montario Hardesty was to playing yesterday) - "We felt like he was close. I would probably approach this week much like we did last week. I’m hopeful and so as he goes through the week we’ll get him (going). You have to be a little bit careful with this one, being it’s a calf on a runner. For those of as that walk a calf injury might not be a big deal, but for a runner we’ve just got to make sure he right." (On if he feels Hillis will come back this year) - "I’m hopeful that he will. Based on how he’s rehabbing his hamstring I would anticipate that he’ll be back soon. I can’t tell you yet exactly, that’s the thing. Each guy is different."
(On the offensive line’s performance) - "I felt like
Shawn Lauvao did a nice job. In our opinion I think he played his best game. That’s one guy. Tony Pashos played very hard. I thought we had a good performance really out of all of them. If I had to single one guy out, probably Shawn Lauvao. Again, amongst the guys I thought they all played pretty well together."
I will highlight the rest of his press conference a little later today.
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The line looked much improved, that’s for sure. As far as OMGBanana goes, he’s pretty much the definition of average. He’s the kind of guy you can draft in the fifth round every year. It’s not just that he doesn’t have breakaway speed, he really doesn’t have much of a burst through the line, and he doesn’t break many tackles. Holes close on him quickly.
That said, he’s doing fine with what he’s asked to do. I don’t think we could have expected more out of our fourth string running back.
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We’ve already invested in a better 3rd down guy. This is a 4th down, super emergency, practice squad guy
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Are we talking about Brandon Jackson? Ever heard of Wally Pipp?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Slight touch of hyperbole here but Wally Pipp was the guy who went down with an injury allowing Lou Gehrig to step in at 1st base for Los Jankees.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Nov 22, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
“slight touch” my ass.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
This is a 4th down, super emergency, practice squad guy
Who is averaging 5.2 ypc/never drops a pass and has only been with the team for like 4 weeks and has gotten better in each one of them. Only an idiot would get rid of that when you have 3 other guys who have barely played 2 weeks all year.
I don’t think we would get rid of him, I just don’t think we will build the team around him. He might be able to stay on our roster and contribute, but he shouldn’t be the featured guy.
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I don’t think anyone wants to see him as a feature back but he has shown a lot of skills as a 3rd down back. Brandon Jackson was brought in for that role but I could see him developing into more of a feature back.
but he has shown a lot of skills as a 3rd down back
No he hasn’t. He’s shown that he’s slow to the hole, devoid of any positive football moves, and that he has an issue with fumbling at crucial times in a game.
He’s an emergency player from someone’s practice squad. It’s where he needs to stay. Someday maybe, but definitely not now.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
He did much better than you give him credit for against JAX. He made a few runs where there was nothing, and he found yards that shouldn’t have been there. The offense is slowing down for him and he’s able to play a little more naturally now.
With that said, he’s easily the 4th best back on the team. I’d gladly play Hillis, Hardesty, or Jackson over him.
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Until Hardesty remembers what those flappy things on the ends of his arms are, I would take Oggy over him on a designed pass out of the backfield.
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And I would take Hardesty on a run play 11 times out of ten. The problem is we can’t be that predictable. It’s more important for a running back to be able to run the ball, so we’re going to have to live with some drops from Hardesty. The alternative is a back who catches the ball, but is inferior in pretty much every other aspect.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Sure throw him back on the PS and he’ll get grabbed up in 2 seconds. Meanwhile, Hardesty and BJax will be in street clothes and Hillis will probably be playing for the G.D. Steelers next year.
I think you’re way overestimating Ogbonnaya. Backs like him are available in the fifth round or later every year. He is entirely replaceable.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
That average basically came from last week and he has fumbling issues. Hillis does too but at least he has upside. Only an idiot would think this guy is any good to play on a regular basis.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
That average basically came from last week
and against St. Louis. Granted, St. Louis’ rushing D is bad, but Jacksonville’s isn’t.
He seems to be giving us what B-Jax would have. I liked Brandon Jackson, but as a runner he didn’t break a ton of tackles (some, but not a lot), he didn’t make a lot of guys miss, and he didn’t have break-away speed. He would have been a tiny bit better than what we are seeing from Ogbonnaya but not by much.
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When we saw Bjax run, he was doing great. I actually saw him make guys miss and see him power through hits. OMGI’mslowbananas goes down on the first tap.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I never saw Bjax make a lot of guys miss in GB, only in the preseason here. He does have more power than Ogbonnaya
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How can we have any judgement on BJax? The guy played in two preseason games.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Saying that he is “averaging” 5.2 ypc is a VERY misleading stat ….
“He never drops a pass” you must “Never actually watch the game” He has dropped a few passes in his limited playtime
My simple take on OGbanana
- He is a below average back … if you take away his two big runs in the last game, he is averaging less than 3 ypc (and woulda been around 2 ypc in the last game)
- Neither of those two big runs were due to OGbanana having incredible speed or power, or bursting through the line breaking tackles. They were the result of HUGE holes that were opened up for him
- When OGbanana recieves contact at the line or beyond, THAT is where his forward progress stops. I’m yet to see him move a pile or even carry a few tacklers for an extra yard or two; he literally stops in his tracks when contact is made (if you deny this you didn’t watch any game he played him). He can’t break tackles, it is that simple.
Compared to Hillis he is a JOKE
Even tho Hillis has hardly played this year, the numbers Hillis have are VERY misleading (his ypc). Our O-line is in severe flux (and was even worse earlier in the season when Hillis was in). On almost EVERY carry hillis had, he was hit IN THE BACKFIELD. He still mananged to carry whoever hit him for 2-3 yards gained. If that had been OG (or Hardesty aka butterfingers aka likes to “spin” when there is no one within 10 yards of him) those runs would have been for a loss.
Hillis would already be back on the field if MANAGEMENT hadn’t screwed up, been impatient, and put him back in before he was fully healed so that he reinjured his hamstring. You can doubt his injury all you want, numerous reporters have seen his leg first hand and as recent as last week it was basically pure black and swollen.
This is my first post on SB Nation! I’ve been reading it for years, but I decided it was time to chime in before people start getting too excited about our subpar RB.
He was also not in sync with colt on a few passes. Colt thought he would be running away from coverage and he was trying to sit down in it. He’s not going to be Hillis or a feature back, even.
With that said, he definitely made YAC against Jacksonville. I rewatched the game last night and it absolutely happened.
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if you take away his two big runs in the last game
if you take away Chris Johnson’s big runs in his 2k yard season, he averages probably 3 ypc.
some running backs get you 4 yards every play. some get around 3 for a while, then strike the D for 25.
chime in before people start getting too excited about our subpar RB.
no one is getting “excited”, only pointing out he is doing well right now and no one else we have can stay healthy this year.
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Compared to Hillis he is a JOKE
Nobody is comparing to Hillis or even Hardesty.
However he did break tackles, he did the holes and he made some nice plays. He has caught almost every reasonable throw his direction including a couple that could have been intercepted.
Most importantly, he’s the only one of the wearing a effing uniform.
Crazy that we are down to our 5th and 6th RBs.
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by North Coast Flea on Nov 22, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
No. We cut Smith (our fourth RB) for Ogbonnaya so he is really our fourth-string RB.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
We didn’t drop Smith for omgBANDANAS! We had to pick him up when the world blew up.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
The Cleveland Browns today signed running back Chris Ogbonnaya (O-BONN-I-ah) to the active roster from Houston’s practice squad. In addition, the club waived running back Armond Smith
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Oby but I can’t see him staying around next year if Hillis, Hardesty, and Jackson come back. He has a similar style to Jackson anyway, but is not as talented… judging by what I saw from Jackson in the pre-season that is.
I don’t remember seeing anything from jackson at all. I would not be surprised if we go Jackson, Hardesty, Ogbannya next year.
Jackson had good bursts of speed, shifty cuts and blocked as well as his frame would’ve allowed.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
If/when Hillis walks in 2012, it could be 1) Hardesty 2) BJax 3) OBGYN
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Nov 22, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like we’d draft a RB late to replace OMGI’mslowbananas
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
If/when Hillis walks in 2012, it could be 1) Hardesty 2) BJax 3) OBGYN
If that’s where we are at the start of training camp next year, we are screwed.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Jackson is Ogbonnaya with a little more power and better protection.
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Hard to say what Ogbonnaya can develop into down the road, but I think Jackson is our best RB in protection and looked like a WR with how good he was catching passes down the field in camp.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 22, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely Ogbonnaya is young, but I don’t really see him becoming anything special. I could kind of take or leave him. I am upset we won’t get to see Jackson at all this year.
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Ogbonnaya = Chris Jennings 2.0*
*Not running/playing style-wise, but what their position is in the team’s long-term plans.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. He’s a replacement level player we brought in to play out the season. If he’s on our active roster next season we likely have a problem.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
It wouldn’t be crazy for him to be on our roster — if for some reason we wanted 4 RBs or decided BJax did not recover from his injury right. But he is a 3rd stringer at best.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I could see us cutting Alex Smith or Mitchell to keep OG. Wouldn’t surprise me too much.
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Yeah, if we carry four running backs I wouldn’t mind him being the fourth. But I think Hardesty and Jackson are both better, and I would hope we bring in someone else to compete with them.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Or bring someone back to compete with them. If bridges aren’t burned. I am glad it has been quiet on that front lately, I think that’s good news. Now if Peyton comes back and has a few solid games we can pay him and not look like a weak FO.
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I’d say that was correct. I’d say Ogbonnaya is more talented, but he is closer to Jennings in talent than either of our top 2 backs.
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I like the guy.
He can catch, he seems to have some speed and seems to be getting up to speed pretty quick. Like almost everyone else, I wouldn’t mind if he was on our team next year one bit. I would mind if he was the starter.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
i’d say this is accurate. Add a few more broken tackles and better protection of the rock, and he is Jackson.
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I meant protection as in pass protection. One of the reasons Jackson is a good 3rd down back is because he knows his assignments there and can execute them well for a not-huge back.
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ah. yeah, Jackson is definitely better at that too, but OGBYN isn’t bad himself.
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I just read Matt Hensley say that sources in Cleveland claim that the Browns upstairs have already decided to part ways with Hillis at the end of the year.
“sources”
I would have an easy time believing they’ve made this decision, but I would have an easier time believing someone made this up because they are betting its true.
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This.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s a win-win. If they resign him no one remembers this, if the cut ties, this guy can say he called it.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Jamison Hensley at ESPN’s AFC North blog?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Nov 22, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, everyone is reporting that one guy sourced this to “sources.” That’s how the press works. Like rufio, I wouldn’t be shocked if the FO has decided to move on from Hillis, but if I had a bet, I’d bet that they have not made any kind of decision yet. They don’t know who is going to be available, whether they will draft an RB, what Hillis is going to want, how HIllis is going to do if he comes back, etc. Unless Hillis has done something egregious that we don’t know about, I don’t see why the FO would make a decision on that issue now.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
One thing I can say for sure (or I hope is true): Ogbonnaya’s performance is not a reason that the FO would give up on Hillis. Going into next season with Hardesty, BJax and OB would not be a good idea; it would be a horrible idea. Injury prone guys who have never been better than average (Hardesty and BJax), and another guy whose ceiling appears to be average in OB.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’m betting we add someone late in the draft.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
If we don’t retain Hillis and only add an RB from late in the draft, I think we have a big problem next year.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
This kind of goes back to my belief that 99.9% of RB’s are change and go.
I’m willing to go into next season with Hardesty, BJax, rookie, and Obi.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. You can’t win a Super Bowl these days without a stud RB. Look at the last few winners:
Packers OK, forget that one.
Saints Weird year.
Steelers You know . . . the Steelers . . . right.
Giants They were a fluke, the Pats, who should have won had . . . uh, hold on.
Colts I am beginning to rethink my assumptions here.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I think he is going to be a FA for a long time.
He’s going to want a lot of money, and no one is going to give it to him.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Why would they? DeMarco Murray is killing it for them.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Patriots.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
Patriots don’t seem like the place for a guy who has been an off the field issue kind of guy.
The one’s they have brought in have been buy-low pick-ups. I don’t think Hillis will think of himself as a buy-low kinda guy.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think Hillis’s off the field issues have been overblown and I don’t think anyone will give him buy high money and the Patriots will swoop in and get him on the cheap.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
The one’s they have brought in have been buy-low pick-ups.
Haynesworth, Ocho, etc.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 23, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but they always buy low and they aren’t afraid to cut/bench them if they get out of line. If Hillis is looking for a pay day, it doesn’t sound like their MO. But would anything that Belichick does surprise anyone?
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I could see the Jets doing it, if they have the cap room.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
I really hope this is just more trash journalism. I’d like to see the Browns rolling with a healthy Hillis again. I love watching him pound through defenses.
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I’m really perplexed by this hamstring injury to Hillis. I’ve had pretty bad hamstring injuries very close to requiring surgery but I was back playing in about a month. And I’m old. I’m just wondering if this is more about the contract. Does anyone have any inside as to how serious this injury really is? Anything would probably just be a rumor I know. I just remember Hillis playing last year with 2 or 3 injuries. That probably isn’t wise either. I’d just have thought he’d be back by now but it doesn’t seem there is any chance at all.
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Hamstring was already bad, they ran him hard in practice on a still healing hamstring, blew it out worse than before.
AJ has been out even longer for the Texans. Your old hamstring’s abilities and workload do not compare to theirs in even the slightest comparison.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like it is at least in the realm of possibility then. Hillis hasn’t shown a tendency to milk an injury in the past—in fact the opposite is true. I agree about my old hamstring and workload but I just thought that he being younger and idle, his would heal as fast or faster than mine when I am idle. Then he could return to his workload.
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It’s probably due to his tough man persona that he’s still dealing with the injury. When you down play a health problem the doctors down play the treatment because they think the issue is smaller. If he tried to play through a bad hamstring and re-injured it, that would have set him back even further. That seems more likely to me than a mid-season contract negotiation from an organization with Holmgren (a guy who’s been there too long to let his team lose games because of someone’s ego). It has to be the injury.
And I sprained/tore/destroyed the tendons in my ankle back in June. With proper health care I probably would have been back to normal in a month. But since I’m living sans health care, just graduated college, and have no funds I went without the proper treatment and my ankle hurts on a daily basis. If Hillis chose to ignore the pain at first he could be in a similar situation.
AJ has been out even longer for the Texans. Your old hamstring’s abilities and workload do not compare to theirs in even the slightest comparison.
Andre Johnson needed surgery for his hammy. Never has Hillis’ hammy been compared to AJ.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
A Hamstring is EVERYTHING to a runningback. He is basically doing SQUATS nonstop as he pushes through defenders. Go pull a hamstring and try to just do some SQUATS with some very light weights. Now try to do the squats while running, cutting, and pushing through people.
Numerous reporters (including one who tweeted like a week ago) have actually seen Hillis’ leg. She basically said it was black all over and looked grotesque.
While the “flu” incident was absolute BS, the fact hillis is STILL not playing falls on management. They put him back on the field before it was fully healed and he injured it further. Thats on them and the trainers, not Hillis.
I’m not sure who it is on. There was alot of stuff being thrown around. Holmgren came out and spoke and I think the comments fired Hillis up to the point he said let me back out there. How do the trainers stop the player if he says his hamstring feels better? Patience was needed, but neither side was feeling patient.
How do the trainers stop the player if he says his hamstring feels better?
I’m almost certain they have tests for that. On the other hand if Hillis said he wanted to play they probably didn’t care too much if he made it worse because they aren’t bringing him back.
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I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
OT: SBN just made my day.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
lol, I just saw that too.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 22, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
OMG its Ethan Hawke!
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OMG it’s Ethan Hawke!
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OMG it’s Malcolm in Middle!
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I just noticed how you tried to throw a cheap plug of Kent State University in that screen capture. Sneaky.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 22, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Baha. That was completely accidental. Didn’t even notice I had the blurb up until I posted.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Omg, it’s Windows Vista!!
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XPSP3, nice try though.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
from this angle, it looked a bit like vista to me. then again, I haven’t used Vista in years.
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…there’s no angle. Prtscn takes a screenshot at the same angle everytime…
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I say there is an angle and that’s final!!
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I got that too 
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Thanks for sharing?
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for playing?
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I don’t get what this has to do with it though.
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Your tabs still make me laugh.
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that song was stuck in my head today
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I’ll give bross some room because he was a kid when that garbage came out. He probably danced to it in his room.
by Brownie's Year on Nov 23, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
it was one of my favorite songs when I was a kid. not as good as tubthumping though
I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.
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that was actually an article I still have up about how they printed michigan state shirts that said “go blue” on them and I found it very funny
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This has been happening for the last few weeks.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
This specific version only happened to me today.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 22, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I haven’t gotten any other version, I don’t think. What else have you been getting? I feel left out.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I haven’t had any errors the past few weeks probably, so the last time I got one, is was the traditional error page SB Nation had had for years.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
My buddy—a Pats fan—started him last week on a whim.
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Hopefully my waiver for Gerhart went through
In Golan we trust.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
But he’s now their #1 RB. Ponder isn’t going to win any games for him.
In Golan we trust.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I’d start Thomas Clayton over Gerhart.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 22, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
That is quite the indictment of Toby.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Adrian Peterson can run against 10 man fronts. Toby Gerhart can’t run against 3 men in the box.
It’s your call, but I would advise you stay far, faaaaaar away from Toby.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I should pick him up too, now that Adrian Peterson is out. First Jahvid, Then Schaub and Cassel, now A freaking P. My team is a shambles.
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I’ve been suffering without AJ the past few weeks. Bradshaw is hurt, Stevie Johnson is playing hurt, now Starks is hurt and Earl Bennett’s value just took a crap with Cutler being hurt. I think my DBN rebel playoff hopes just went down the toilet.
On a more optimistic note, Obi won me my matchup on Sunday!
I take this optimism shit seriously.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Nov 22, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I have benched Stevie. this couldve been a really shitty week, but thankfully I am deep at WR and Jordy came through. my #1 was on bye and my #2 was hurt.
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