Instant Recap: Bad Finish for Browns in 23-20 Loss to Bengals
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 27, 2011 4:29 PM EST
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PrintDo you know what hurts worse than sucking? Playing exceptionally well and then blowing it.
In Peyton Hillis' return to the offense, the Cleveland Browns had a 17-7 lead in the first half. Although the defense had some trouble containing Cedric Benson in the first half, a late sack-fumble by Jabaal Sheard allowed the Browns to take a rare two-possession lead heading into the half. The Browns were running the ball pretty well and were being aggressive in the passing game.
And then...the second half happened. Things didn't go so bad at first. After Cincinnati kicked a field goal to make it 17-10, the Browns went right back down the field and added a long field goal of their own -- a 54-yarder -- to go back up by two possessions near the end of the third quarter.
That is where things started to take a turn downward. Just like Andy Dalton has done all season, he began a late-game charge, first chucking the ball up the sideline on two consecutive plays to put Cincinnati right back in it at 20-17 just before the end of the third quarter. On Cleveland's first play of the fourth quarter, Colt McCoy threw an ill-advised interception down the field. It led to three points for the Bengals, tying the game up at 20-20.
Both teams went back-and-forth after that, but the Browns receivers deserve a lot of blame for some terrible drops (particularly by Greg Little) that prevented drives from continuing. You can't blame Hillis, because he was still churning away some tough yardage and setting up shorter conversions for the passing game.
With only a couple of minutes left in the game, the Browns were facing a tough decision: kick a 55-yard field goal or punt the ball. The reasons against kicking the field goal? We were going into the wind now, and if we missed, the Bengals would barely have to do anything to get into field goal range. Pat Shurmur decided to go for it, probably due to Phil Dawson's tremendous accuracy on 50+ yard field goals this year. Unfortunately, Ryan Pontbriand continues to struggle this season. His snap was rolled to Brad Maynard, who barely got to hold the ball up for Dawson. Dawson's kick was well short and wide left, but if the hold is good there, for all we know it could've been a different story.
On the Bengals' first third-down of the next drive, Dalton had pressure in his face and chucked the ball down the middle of the field. Rookie receiver A.J. Green went high into the air and snagged the ball for a huge completion before racing toward the goal line and out of bounds. A few plays later, the Bengals kicked a field goal to take their first lead of the game at 23-20. With no timeouts to work with and very little time left on the clock, Cleveland still had a chance since they only needed a field goal. Another drop by Little killed that idea though, and the Browns turned the ball over on downs.
The Browns now have a 4-7 record and have been eliminated from playoff contention. Maybe not mathematically, but they went from possibly being one game behind a wildcard spot to being three games behind a wildcard spot. Overall, this was a good, but ultimately frustrating game to watch. There is a lot to be happy about, but also a lot to be disappointed with. UGH!
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Blah. I never thought I’d see a receiver with a worse case of the dropsies than Braylon.
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by Gradysmanldy on Nov 27, 2011 4:32 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I would take Braylon back right now. I think Colt needs at least one established veteran (not 35 year olds) receiver to transition to the future of younger guys.
So he can juggle passes with Little? We need a dependable Vet that can catch. BE would not help this team.
by Johnnypronto on Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Who knows? I’m just not content with rookies and would be’s filling our roster because they on the cheap. We don’t need Welker/A. Johnson/Garcon, but we need more than what we’ve had…Stuckey, Mitchell, Robiskie…
How did Garcon get included in that?
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Lol can’t have it all, man haha
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by troy145 on Nov 27, 2011 6:31 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
for some reason, his drop problems have gotten better since he left.
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Because it was all mental. He is a quintessential narcissist. I don’t mean this in the casual sense but in the clinical sense in that he obsesses about anything that he does, good or bad. Therefore when he was good 16 TDs, when he was bad, get stuck in that pattern, can’t let it go and lash out at fans for “attacking him”.
I figured it was all mental, but couldn’t exactly put my finger on why.
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Braylon Edwards sucks. I don’t want that bum anywhere near this team.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Do you know what hurts worse than sucking? Playing exceptionally well and then blowing it.
this should be the title of a documentary about cleveland sports
by tr1betime on Nov 27, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
From a Bengals fan…
Congrats to the Browns on a great game. After some soul-searching and shit, I’ve decided that it’s your team that makes the AFCN the best division in the game. When the fourth place team challenges the top three in every game they play, you know the division is deep.
Good luck to the Browns in the future- the Battle of Ohio can be a great rivalry if both teams keep improving at the rate they have been
thought i would put this here, its from “sexsalad” it made it in right before chris put the link into this thread. goes to show cinci is waay better than shittsburg
by nickmar19 on Nov 27, 2011 4:34 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
hopefully it’s not too late for Green to start dropping passes like mad and getting a few DUIs
by tr1betime on Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He’s predestined to get a DUI. Hate to say it, but probably this offseason right after they lose a Wild Card game. BHCE will get to him. Maybe we’ll be lucky he gets pulled over with an unlicensed fire arm…
I just really cannot mentally cope with how well we played in the first half and how badly we played in the second half. Our D stepped up huge in the fourth quarter with 2 straight 3-and-outs and our offense literally did shit. I mean, even if Little catches the 3rd down play before the FG to make it a 48-50 yarder…I mean. So many “What Ifs” in this game.
Let’s start with the same ol’ platitudes about how we’re young and learning. Little is a rookie. I wouldn’t think that a WR would need help with catching the ball, but mayhaps he does. Colt played okay for the majority of the game but had another fucking bone-headed play. I’m glad Hillis is back. The defense played okay but gave up the big plays too often and allowed FAR too many third-down conversions, especially the last one.
What a frustrating season. It feels like we’re simultaneously so very close to winning every game and so very far from being a good football team.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 27, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Little isn’t a natural receiver, he’s played RB his whole life (doesn’t mean he can’t be one though). Awesome new word too – “mayhaps”
Little didn’t catch that 3rd down ball before the field goal attempt because he had Nate Clements draped all over him illegally, with no call from the officials. I hope Shurmur makes a point of sending that tape to the league because it was a key no call that affected the outcome of the game.
It’s frustrating that you have to have a good record in the league or a track record of performance before you get any respect from the supposedly unbiased NFL officiating crews.
by woodsmeister on Nov 28, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Typical Grossi idiocy. There have to be hundreds of 22-year-old kids just out of J-school covering high school games as stringers who could cover the Browns better than Grossi. Really, outside of Pluto, the writers in the Plain Dealer sports section may be the worst in a major daily newspaper in a major league sports town anywhere in the country that I’ve read.
by woodsmeister on Nov 28, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I think their coverage of the Indians and Cavs is fine. It’s just MKC and Grossi that suck and/or blow.
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i’m w/ woods. pluto is the only one even remotely worth reading.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Their Cavs coverage during the LeBron era was sycophantic.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 28, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Everybody’s coverage in NEO of LBJ was sycophantic.
by woodsmeister on Nov 28, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Everybody’s coveragein NEOofLBJ#6wasis sycophantic.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Their Cavs coverage is fine, but Hoynes is pretty much the same as Grossi.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
That one was definitely not on Little, and was about as blatant a PI infraction as has ever been missed ignored by an officiating crew.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Just found it and watched the replay. The throw was right on the money – actually a very good throw. The defender was coming in from Little’s right side as Little was running to his right so Little stopped and it zipped right in on his numbers, just to the opposite side of the defender where the guy couldn’t get to it. Perfect throw actually.
If the defender hadn’t draped himself all over Little as the ball was approaching it would/should have been a completed pass (assuming Little wouldn’t have dropped it…).
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Just a horrific missed call here…
Ball on the way – Clements already has him completely wrapped up…
Clements isn’t even going for the ball – just continues to yank on Little’s arm so he can’t pull it in…
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very good question.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Which play was this? The missed FG drive?
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 28, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. 2 minutes left. 3rd and 10 from the Cinci 37 yard line. If Little hauls it in its a first down (for about 14 yards I think). Instead, the tragic 55 yard FG snap snafu.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Correction – the play would have gained about 7 yards (no first down, but gets us to around the 30 yard line).
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
The PI penalty we didn’t get would have been an automatic first down. This non-call probably changed the outcome of the game.
by woodsmeister on Nov 28, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Good point – the missed PI call should have given us the first down. Game changer for sure.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
that is absurd. though it was not the drop i was thinking of (which i believe came on the next drive and was egregiously egregious)
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
It feels like we’re simultaneously so very close to winning every game
I agree with most of your post, but this isn’t reality. We were not close to winning most of the games we lost.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
not hating on shurmur, but how much of that 2nd half collapse is on him? i don’t want trolls replying with the usual SHUMRURUR SUCKSZ but really how much of this is on poor adjustments?
I had a Mumur for Shumur. Tells me what I thought of his 2nd half performance.
by Johnnypronto on Nov 27, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
As the bengals stopped making mistakes on defense, the browns stopped scoring
by The Licensed Pessimist on Nov 27, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Believe we are 4-7. Sunshine pumping – we put together a half of solid offense against a good D. For now – will appreciate the improvement.
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by realmccoy on Nov 27, 2011 4:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In my world, we’re always a bottle of vodka away from being 19-0 and Super Bowl champions.
I take this optimism shit seriously.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Nov 28, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
We’ve won and lost some bizarre games. How the same team wins the Miami and Jacksonville games but loses the two Cincy and Rams games….I don’t even know.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 27, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
and a couple plays away from being 2-9.
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by Dawg Nuts on Nov 27, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks, fixing typo now.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 27, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I complain that ugly wins that wins arent always progress…so I’ll stay true to my view and have to say that i actually saw some good things in this loss.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Hillis went 19 for 65 today. Not bad considering he’s barely practiced in weeks, especially considering the Bengals have the best run defense.
Even Doug Dieken admits Joe Thomas is the real #73
Hillis was great considering all circumstances. At the end he busted thru a couple of times and was fighting for every yard, extending the ball. I really (want to) believe the last few weeks was more media created than anything, with regards to Hillis. Hopefully he continues what he did last year, and today, for many more seasons with Cleveland.
Hopefully he continues what he did last year, and today, for many more seasons with Cleveland.
Unfortunately I think he’s gone.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 27, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
same here, i dont think he sticks it out. somebody will offer him a big contract like new england and he will bolt. hate to say it, but i think its true
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
…just as long as he goes faaar away from the AFC North.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
he’s got 5 weeks to be not-gone. i think this FO is still willing to keep him around if he performs over the next 5 weeks.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Someone ought to go back after the season and look at every against the " _ run defense" and " _ pass defense." It’s not to say that you’re necessarily wrong, but the reality is, our D is not as good as some justified after the Seahawks games. Because schedules are always imbalanced, until its week 17, I’m not sure how fair it is to justify or condemn based upon ranked Ds/Os.
It’s not a rant in particular against you, but I just think these types of arguments are pretty weak until the season ends.
In many cases you’re right, and while Cinci might not be first, they’re definitely good.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
When you stop and think about it we have had more bizarre happenings in this season than in any other ten seasons put together. Sadly nearly all of them have been bad for us.
I’m nearly convinced that 2007 was a result of 31 teams in the NFL not taking Cleveland serious enough to watch tape, and we were able to fly under the radar. It was a great season, but 2008 ruined it for me.
that and us facing a lot of shitty teams and maybe being kinda mediocre. The average team the Browns beat had a record of 5.5-11.5. We only beat 1 team above .500 that year and were 1-3 against teams above .500 (and 1-1 against teams at .500)
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5.5 – 10.5 gets the wild card, then they lose their playoff game. Get with it, it isn’t rocket science.
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by Dawg Nuts on Nov 28, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I is good at math.
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…think about how bad the end results of 2007 was for us the next few seasons.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Nope.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Look the receivers should be ashamed of themselves, but you cant tell me you want this act to be here next year. Isn’t the same every week? One time, we have no running backs, one time our receivers suck, we have no blocking, play calling sucks, Oh and please dont ever say Colt "THE MISUNDERSTOOD TALENT McCoy sucked you might get people mad. He play OK in the first half. The second half Colt McCoy and the entire offense outside of Hillis sucked. A WINNER would come up with a drive is all I am saying, and if you can type he is getting better I can state what is obvious to me and the rest of the NFL he is not
No excuses for McCoy. He could’ve made better decisions, but didn’t. He could thrown better but didn’t. News Alert: Tom Brady has thrown bad passes before and receivers still caught them. Colt is a leader, but not the guy that will put 10 guys on his back with :30 to go and engineer a game winning TD drive. I don’t see Cleveland getting one of those leaders for awhile. But if we had 11 guys on offense that were all relatively good, and contributed, maybe we wouldn’t have to rely on 1 guy to win a team based game?
News Alert: Tom Brady has thrown bad passes before and receivers still caught them.
So that’s a problem with our receivers more than our QB…
I’m just trying to make sense of how that statement’s an indictment on our quarterback.
Did I ever say McCoy was a hall of famer? He played well. The int was his fault; I haven’t denied that. You still haven’t told me how he’s supposed to move the ball when his WRs continually drop passes.
He played ok (and better than he has in the prior games) ONLY in the first half. The second half he makes one drive for the endzone and we win, He could not get it done. SO how is it he is so good when they score but it is everyone elses fault but his when they dont.
Look you know enough football, this team on offense is the reason we are horrible. Hillis is good but the rest of them suck. Little had a horrible game. Colt played like Colt in the second half and it did not help at al
I never said Colt wasn’t at fault for the loss. Some blame lies on him but not nearly as much as what you’re claiming. I’m arguing with your statement that he sucks, because he doesn’t.
Look you know enough football
Whoa, so I’m not an idiot anymore!
by emily522 on Nov 27, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tebow’s defense has really helped him out with that one. Come on. And if you’re even going to suggest that Tebow would be better than McCoy, I’m done with you. I don’t give a crap if Tebow’s gone 4-1 or whatever.
Tebow? That’s what you come back with? Tebow is getting it done with less because he isn’t a quarterback. He can’t throw. He can’t take a snap from under center. If I were a betting man, I would go 10-1 that Denver drafts a QB. BQ will be a casualty and probably land in Philly as a 3rd stringer.
Sorry. I seen Tebow and got angry and started clicking.
by dmbshn41 on Nov 27, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
it happens to the best of us.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Nov 28, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
1-1 we draft a QB
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
If Barkley is there, we better take him.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 28, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I predict we will use our picks to get someone. I cannot imagine them (Holmgren and Heckert and Shurmur) being happy withe the stable of quarterbacks we have
I just want any first round QB that doesn’t bust.
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Well. Yeah.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 28, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I did not state TEbow is better, COLT McCOY is a quarterback , TEbow will never be. I would take Colt no quesiton, but my point is that Tebow in all that he is not, is getting it done. Colt has to figure out how to get it done or he is done. No matter what he has as weapons
“Tebow will never be” ya ok… less games total than Colt, but Colt gets a free pass?
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
If you honestly think Tim Tebow is a good quarterback, I seriously question your football knowledge.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow is getting it done with less and he blows.
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Now now, he does throw one pass very well, the deep ball. Analysts have agreed with that.
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
That’s news to me.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 28, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I will pile on in agreement: good QBs elevate the players around them. Our QB doesn’t elevate the players around him.
He should be out there finding a way to make plays with the crap on this offense. If he doesn’t step it up real soon now, his name is destined for the litany of failed Browns QBs since ’99.
I take issue with this. Weren’t there some pretty great quarterbacks that started out their first full season with what? 2 wins?
True, we are asking QB’s to be ready a lot sooner than in the past. I think a lot of that comes from running pro style offenses since High School and the QB’s from SEC, Big Ten etc. are expected to come in and win now. Fair or not.
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I made the statement to highlight that great quarterbacks aren’t always spot on, but good receivers should make catches that are bouncing off their hands, high or low, left or right. If they’re reaching out and squarely putting a hand on it, and have a good 4-6 yards of distance to a defender, that has to be made.
The team is the problem. If we had 10 no names and Peyton Manning, and we were winning games, I would be worried. 1 guy can not be the answer. We need receivers. And if we have receivers that are good, and Colt still can’t get the job done, then its his time. But for us to say that McCoy is bad because of the season that we’ve seen, is shenanigans. He’s had no less than 6 starting receivers, 4 starting backs..
The Colts were Manning. Thats it. Thats why they are losing now. Yeah they were good with him, but I would prefer a team that won’t miss a beat if a player is injured. Give me 11 good guys any day over 1 all star and 10 would bee’s.
1 all star and 10 would bee’s
that 1 all star + 10 “would bee’s (sic)” has won a super bowl, been to another, won their division approximately 12,000 times, and had the 1-seed in the afc playoff another 438 times in the last 10 years. you’re right … pretty rough …
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll take the decade of winning thank you very much.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
In the second half Colt was on the ground often. In the second half Dalton was not.
Browns lead the NFL going into this game with 26 dropped passes. I can’t remember all the drops today.
Colt threw a horrible INT today, no question.
But to put all the blame on Colt today is nuts. We all understand the importance of a QB. But in the 3rd quarter our defense could not stop the Bengals for nothing.
I remember in the 4th, 3rd and short Colt tried to roll out and was drilled because Lauvao was whipped. I mean Colt was into his second step and was drilled. But of course this was his fault.
He is not as bad as what you make him.
by Grockcubs on Nov 27, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you really want him back? Wait till you see him against the Ravens and Steelers. Do you really think Holmgren is going to sit there and watch as the quarterback cant get it done? I am telling you it is more his fault we blow on offense than anyone else
My point is who replaces him? Sign Vince Young as a free agent? No thanks. Draft Barkley? Back to square one with a rookie QB.
Is Dalton that much better than McCoy? Dalton had a bad fumble which led to a 7. McCoy’s pick led to a 3. I see the difference in a all world wide out making a sick catch to seal the game.
If the Browns can assure themselves of an upgrade at QB, then by all means do it. But to take a flyer on someone who may or may not be an upgrade, no thanks.
Give McCoy decent weapons, and we will win. I’m not calling Super Bowl, but we will be consistent. Then it falls to defense. A team is a puzzle, the pieces have to fit. If anyone piece is larger than the other, they don’t always fit well.
Thomas is larger than McCoy, and i think he fits pretty well if you ask me!
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Give McCoy decent weapons, and we will win
give (any quarterback in football) decent weapons and (team name) will win. not necessarily super bowls, but (team name) will be consistent.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
if you’re not drafting a qb in the top 10, i say at the least go get matt flynn to compete with colt in camp next year. colt isn’t good enough to be handed anything.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Some franchise is going to overpay bigtime for Matt Flynn. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t be shocked if it was us. :(
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 28, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that’s my fear w/ that scenario. the bidding is likely to go high for flynn, which i’m not really sure i’d be psyched about.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly what I was thinking.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 28, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’s played one game. But the Packers have produced good QBs from backups through the years so he is getting overrated and over-valued based on that, IMHO.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 28, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
not enough to command the price that he’s likely to command. in limited action, he’s looked very good in a true WCO set.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Can you actually say you want more of this? WIth McCoy? It has been 18 games. This year has been awful
Colt has been the best QB consistently since Bernie so yeah, in comparison, it hasn’t been that bad.
This simply isn’t true.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Your going to have to remind me who has been better consistently because I can’t think of a single one. Tim Couch? Maybe but its hypothetical since he didn’t have an O line but he never did anything after Cleveland either.
Colt hasn’t been the best QB for any stretch of time, and has been downright awful for a large stretch of his time here. Derek Anderson was great for about 10 games and awful for the rest. That run of ten games is the most consistent QB play we’ve ever had.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
When he scrambles 18 yards for a first down. Yeah I want him back.
I am as pissed as everyone about the stupid interception he threw, but I can’t agree that he is the reason we lost this game.
I never said he was the only reason. BUT he has to finally take this team to the endzone when it matters. This team with him is POOR at best
Like everyone else said, its hard to take the team to the endzone when you get hit two steps into your three step drop and you WRs forgot to wash the turkey grease off their hands.
Who replaces him? And if they do, I would like to see a new RG, RT, starting WR who can catch a freaking football, not have a 4th string RB back start two games, and a long snapper who cost us one game and was a huge part of this loss. And lets throw in a new OC for our rookie QB next year, then we will call it even.
You act like Colt throws pick sixes every game.
by Grockcubs on Nov 27, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he and we are looking at Colt’s body of work against the weakest schedule in the Browns History.
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
You are right. Colt McCoy is a competent quarterback that NO team fears and blitz the hell out of him because he cant handle it. He cant handle the offense. HAVE you ever heard Shurmur or Holmgren ever come out and say McCoy is our guy and we are building this team around him and his talents? Or do they say we will assess him at the end of the year. If you think they are not drafting a quarterback or they are not bringing in another quarterback in here next here, you are crazy. The quarterback situation will not be the same in Cleveland next year. NOT EVEN CLOSE
Heckert said he will be our starter when the 2012 season starts in an interview on 92.3 FM a few weeks back.
I never said Colt would not be here or start. I said they will draft a quarterback and get someone one in here to lead this team (veteran quarterback or a high draft choice to groom) Wallace I would think is gone. Colt has played himself into a 3-5 year back up quarterback position if we draft a highly touted quarterback or if we get a better quarterback in here. Wallace is gone
How would changing the backup QB help this team win games when the backup doesn’t see the field.
You either want a new starting QB or you wouldn’t bash Colt. Don’t try to flip this now and say we take a QB in the first round and put him behind a guy you think is crap. You are inconsistent.
Wallace has also done more for this team than your average backup QB because he can be worked into the Wildcat.
Either we change the started and Colt becomes our backup or we pick a project late and your hateorade is moot.
Genius the rookie we will select will be brought in slowly as most rookies are. So you keep McCoy and make the rookie the back up til he is ready to go in. As is done on most of the teams. If we bring in a veteran he will battle with McCoy for the starting job and when McCoy does not get the job done will be put in quickily. THey are not letting another season go to crap with McCoy not moving this team. If Wallace was that guy (at 5’9" tall) he would have already been in there. THere is no way we are having Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace as the two quarterbacks on this team and with no rookie being groomed.
I just cant make a decision on that yet based on what Ive seen and the personnel. Not sure either way.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Hey three weeks ago I was in the same boat as you. But in the last two games Colt McCoy was not one of the bad performers on this team. I’m still not ready to say he’s going to be a starter in the NFL, but he hasn’t been a problem the past two weeks.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously the drops were pretty bad. Not the one that barely grazed Little’s fingertips, but the rest of them were pretty awful.
Also if Dalton doesn’t have Green, his big pass at the end was going to be picked by Adams. Great receivers can definitely help a QB look good.
Green was making some incredible catches.
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Also if Dalton doesn’t have Green, his big pass at the end was going to be picked by Adams.
Not true. Dalton wouldn’t have thrown the ball if he didn’t have Green. Dalton threw 2 perfect jump balls earlier in the game in succession to Green and Gresham culminating with Gresham’s TD. Colt’s int, which was going to be a bad pass regardless of the oncoming hit, is the reason why it’s hard to have much faith in Colt’s future as our QB. That was an absolute horrible pass as soon as the neurons started firing in his brain. Before the hit, there was still 8 bengals in the area and only Little about 20 yards away from the ball’s landing point.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
I went through the game film. I’m ignoring the missed PI call (some argue he should have caught that one). I’m ignoring the one that was thrown too high (Little would have had to do an A.J. Green leap to grab it – sad thing is, there’s no doubt in my mind A.J. Green would have come down with it).
Aside from that, there are four bad drops by Little. Three of them were thrown right to him in stride and he just flat out dropped them. One was just a bit behind him but very catchable (and no defenders around him).
The worst one was probably the one with about 6 minutes left in the 2nd quarter on 3rd and 6 from the Cleveland 40. About a 15 yard slant route across the middle – right in his hands. If he catches it he’s got some running room, probably puts us down around their 40 yard line (if the corner and safety can catch him – possibly he takes it to the house).
The last one (probably the most painful to watch) was with about 25 seconds left in the game and would have put the Browns near mid-field. Perfect throw to Little on about a 20 yard crossing route up the middle. He dropped it even though he had about 4 feet of separation from the nearest defender.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 29, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Little had a poor game I agree, but I am just wondering what overall effect it has on his completion percentage which is pretty poor. We could say he ends up 20 of 34 if we assume Little makes the catches he should. Still not great, and a poor second half.
Little isn’t the only one who dropped passes on Sunday.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 29, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
That’s pretty bad if true. Were they the kind of drops that were clearly all the receivers fault? I ask out of genuine curiosity.
BOAB went through and pointed out 3 of the drops, just of Little’s drops. A conservative estimate would put drops that are the WRs fault (since Little had maybe at most 5 of the 9 drops) between 4-6. Let’s just split it and put it at 21/34 for the day.
He didn’t do as well in the 2nd half (part of that was a greater amount of drops in key situations), but that would be a comp % over 60%. Certainly not his best day, but he wasn’t awful
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I don’t know of anyone who has called the game a “win” for McCoy. This game wasn’t a win for anyone except the Cincinnati Bengals.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 29, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
neither am I.
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At least half, if not more, were pull-your-hair-out-of-your-skull bad. Little’s drops were the most egregious, as was stated above. I was more and more surprised each time it happened, thinking, “he can’t possibly do that again”. And then, it would happen again. It was so bad that I was embarrassed for Little and surprised Colt didn’t slap him out of his nightmare.
Colt’s at 58% on the year; if fewer than half of those drops were caught (10/26), he’s at 61%.
by chitown browns fan on Nov 29, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying he played great, but this is one game where drops killed him. We didn’t lose this game because of Colt. We wouldn’t have won it because of him either, but not dragging the team down is a step in the right direction.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1.The playcalling sucked
2.LIttle struggled
3.Colt was inaccurate in the 2nd half. That Cribbs 2nd down miss was brutal, even though Josh almost made a terrific catch.
The same 3 stooges doing their act again.
by Johnnypronto on Nov 27, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t get how the Cribbs one was so “brutal” when it was right in his hands. And its not like he made an incredible dive 2 feet away or a leaping catch to get a hand on it.
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1.
Theexectuion of the
playcalling sucked.
Fixed.
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by JustBob on Nov 27, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
McCoy did come up with a drive… Pontbriand muffed the snap
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by troy145 on Nov 27, 2011 4:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
despite bad drops in key situations, he was able to give them a chance for a FG.
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I agree. A 55 yard field goal is a JOKE. WTF?!?!
I still say it’s hubris for this front office to believe their offensive schemes are so grand and can’t possible go wrong that they haven’t invested in a pro bowl PUNTER like the rest of the regimes since ’99.
I still say it’s hubris for this front office to believe their offensive schemes are so grand and can’t possible go wrong that they haven’t invested in a pro bowl PUNTER
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by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hypothetical: Mangini is not fired, and has the same roster that Shurmur has this year. Are we still 4-7?
Considering last year we had one of the toughest schedules, and this year we have the easiest possibly better
by The Licensed Pessimist on Nov 27, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, because Daboll would still be here.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Nov 28, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Would we still have Rob Ryan? Im not too thrilled with Jauron, make a running game adjustment for goodness sakes!! Benson running like James Brooks out there and he sux
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Browns defense is 6th overall right now. Cowboys defense is 12th overall right now. I am happy with Jauron and think he has done extremely well with what he’s been given. I wouldn’t bring Ryan back if given the opportunity. Until our defense stops keeping our team relevant throughout the entire game Jauron has a job.
I agree. I think Jauron has done an admirable job.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Who has Dallas played compared to who we have? Not about to split hairs but when a play that worked in the first half and continues into the fourth Qtr that might be the DC responsibility….Cedric Benson…really?
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Im not too thrilled with Jauron, make a running game adjustment for goodness sakes!! Benson running like James Brooks
Benson has had our number, even back when Rob Ryan was coaching the D
Benson’s 2010 numbers: 227 yards, 2 TDs, 4.8 ypc
Benson’s 2009 numbers: 210 yard, 1 TD, 4.7 ypc
They are nearly identical. For some reason, Cedric Benson has our number. Its like back when Jamal Lewis was on the Ravens except at least Lewis was good.
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We’ve been able to shut down mendenhall, but not Benson. mendenhall is a better runner and benson is just awful, that’s why it’s puzzling. Benson is not a “good running back” but somehow he gashes us more than some good running backs do.
S-Jax, Gore, and mcfadden are all much better backs than Benson but all had a significantly lower ypc than Benson had in either of the two games.
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One thing I’ve noticed is that other teams’ receivers do a great job blocking downfield to create longer runs and keep them from coming up to tackle. Our receivers suck at this, whether it be on running plays or YAC, they just don’t block. Sometimes they don’t even try to look like they’re trying to block.
that is something i’ve noticed a bit too.
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i didn’t think it was possible, but you’re starting to convince me that our receivers suck ass…
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Ha! I thought you would never come around.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
when presented with overwhelming evidence, i am generally willing to adjust my thoughts…
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Im not too thrilled with Jauron
Then I suggest you readjust your standards.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think realistically probably 2 games better with Mangini this year. But that by no means Mangini should have remained as head coach of the browns.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
is this even a question? absolutely, unequivocally no. we would clearly have a better record w/ mangini at the controls this year.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know how you can say this given the team had clearly given up on that crew. You think bringing the back the next year to run laps was going to make them play better?
i couldn’t disagree more that the browns gave up on the mangini crew.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Making players run laps proved to be an effective coaching strategy.
Also, as DCMJ says, the players loved Mangini.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I think this is frequently exaggerated. There are some players who were Mangini guys. Most players in training camp this year subtly hinted how much happier they were the new guys.
there’s a difference b/w being happy about how much you work out in camp (which, by the way, was as much a function of the new cba as it was a stark departure from the mangini ways) and being happy w/ how things are going on the field. the pittsburgh game was an embarrassment last year, but aside from that the team was putting out for and competing in every game.
they prior year, mangini coaxed a 1-11 team into not quitting and winning 4 straight games to close out an entirely meaningless season. the browns most certainly didn’t quit on mangini, whether they liked him or not.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 29, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Besides the work load a lot of them were talking about stuff like being treated like adults, more professionalism, etc. That may have been in reference to Jauron and the lack of Daboll as well.
I would argue that being treated like children may have led to them looking like professionals on the field.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Really did they look professional? I don’t think they looked any better than they do this year. Terrible tackling, stupid game changing turn overs, More terrible tackling. We have twice the number of rookies playing and we look better than most of the games last year. Most importantly we’re seeing constant improvement and we rarely make the same mistake twice.
I just could not disagree more with this. We must be watching different games.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
we rarely make the same mistake twice.
WR drops.
ST miscues.
Colt’s WTF INT throws.
Keeping Lauvao in.
Countless more.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 29, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry I’m referring more to the type of bonehead mistakes like getting quick snapped.
We have had way too many ST miscues but once they happen they’re fixed before the next game. For example, we haven’t had any long returns since the Oak game.
All QBs have WTF ints once in awhile but nothing like Delhomme or Wallace, the one last week I swear if he had a stonger arm he could have dropped that pass into Little, he just threw it 10 yards too short.
I don’t about Luvao either, I would play Greco
we did have a long return against us outside of the Oak game if I recall. We have recovered though
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you and i have been over this territory before, so i won’t say anything much except we see things very differently on this topic.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 29, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Did any one catch the graphics in the end that had Cleveland ‘in the hunt’? Thats what I’m talking about! We were considered in the hunt!
yeah. ‘In the hunt’ for another high draft pick.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 27, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
If we draft a qb high I’ll be sad
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by troy145 on Nov 27, 2011 6:36 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If you don’t take care of the quarterback situation the team will never be good. Your chances of picking a winner in the 3rd round are just about nil. Colt is decent at times and horrible at times. I still think he lacks some fundamental factors to be a consistent winner in the NFL. I’d welcome a pick at QB this year in the first round. Look around the league… most of the starting QBs were picked in the first round. There are always the exceptions but typically they are high picks. If the Browns do not take care of the QB position with a great prospect or a proven veteran they will not be competitive. Their own history shows it. It is just that simple.
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I agree, but I will take crap for your opinion. You are 100 percent correct. Colt is not getting it done and we need someone who will. I am telling you with a good quarterback this team is at worst .500
I would rather be like the 49ers than the Colts. Sure, if we had Peyton Manning we would always be above .500 but as soon as he’s out with an injury were on the bottom again. If we get a lot of solid players instead of throwing all our picks up for Luck we would be better off in the long run as a team.
This was one of Colts best games of the season, why are you coming out of the closet now to hate on him? I saw improvement from Colt and couldn’t really have asked for more from him. But I couldn’t say the same for Little, the OL, and the refs.
Oh, he’s been out of the closet on Colt hate for an unbearably long time. He is a one-trick troll pony who is better to ignore rather than feed.
by woodsmeister on Nov 28, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
another genius, am I wrong about McCoy, how come no one says , hey you all are wrong, Colt McCoy isn’t cutting it? It is everyone elses fault but McCoy’s fault. I swear I dont think anyone actually watches what is going on out there. He was out played by a rookie again. Why is it a crime to want better production out of McCoy? Last year I caught the same crap for saying Delhomme was horrible and he was not a starter in the NFL anymore (an interception machine) and he gave away 3 games last year on interceptions and sucked , and WAS LET GO. But all year I was wrong, and just a Delhomme hater. Same deal again. 87 YARDS IN THE SECOND HALF 35 of which were rushing yards and 5 were penalty yards, so he threw for 45 yards in the second half. WOW, I guess I am a just not seeing it.
Barely. Unless the stat is how many times you say Colt sucks.
by SBP on Nov 28, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
1. Stats aren’t the only thing that show improvement; not to mention, I never said I’m completely sold on Colt either, I’m just not abrasively jamming it down everyone’s throats with the same 3 canned responses.
2. But if you want a stat, how about our WR have dropped approximately 17,000 balls so far this season.
3. “THe TEaM onLy GOt 87 YRds in tHE 2nnD HLAF!!!!” and “COLts only 4 Ft. 8 INcheS TALLL!!!1” aren’t relevant or conclusive stats.
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Why doesnt it matter to you all that COLT and the offense laid an egg in the second half? It has been the story the whole year. THE team is not moving the ball and because we have two drives in the first half of a ball game everything is ok? How about the trend is he cant move the team week in and week out (The McCoy led offense is averaging less than 14 points every week) and the two drives we had were just like a blind squirrel finding a nut? Over all He has been weak.
The fact that we scored as many points in the first half as we have in most games was encouraging. Saying that the first half drives were squirrel meet nut is unfair. The drives were competent and efficient and we could not ask more of them. The team we played was not the bottom of the barrell. That is why I cannott just discount the firts half as a fluke. We saw this improvement builidng over the last few games. The 2nd half adjustments were bad and execution was worse. I cannot put that blame on one persons shoulder.
Why doesnt it matter to you all that COLT and the offense laid an egg in the second half?
It does matter to us. Many of us don’t disagree with you. We’d just like to talk about something else once in a while.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
to be fair, champs comment was a reply to Brownsyup’s comment on Colt, which has evidently been ignored because it’s easier to jump on Champ. Not accusing you of this by the way, but it’s pretty easy to follow the thread.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
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I watched the second half and I saw the Bengels adjusting, conservative play calling and lots of drops. Colt’s decisions and movement seemed to change, but the 2nd half was not all on Colt.
Are you saying the 2nd half was all on Colt?
Look, you know enough that you have to have a quarterback that has to get it done. For 18 games the defenders of McCoy have claimed , the O-Line sucks (although we have had a 1,000 rusher last year and Ogbonnaya averaging 4.1 a rush this season) and no one catches the ball and everyone blows, but the stats say McCoy isn’t cutting it. He holds the ball too long at times, he does not see the whole field, He doesnt connect down field much , and his desicions on who to throw to are questionable at times., I am not saying he is the worst quarterback in the world. I think if we had someone marginaly better we would not be 4-7. He does not seem to be improving. 87 total yards in the second half when winning 17-7 and half of those total yards being rushing yards, says to me as a quarteback he is not getting the job done SO yes he had alot to do with the bad second half we had. It is not a crime, just a fact. He is the 23rd rated quarterback in the league, It is not improving. I wish it werent this way.
Why do you think that 87 yards in the second half is some magic number you keep regurgitating to prove that Colt sucks? He’s not the only one responsible for gaining yards. He has shown improvement over the last few weeks, albeit slow improvement. I’m not saying he’s guaranteed to be the best QB ever to play in Cleveland, but what’s the point in bawling our eyes out over him on November 28, 2011 when we have no idea what will happen between now and the time we draft in April 2012?
I get the sense that my demeanor for the first couple hours after a Browns loss is what your demeanor is 24 hours a day, 7 days a week: angry and alarmist.
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agree 100%. also to champions point, good run blocking does not equal good pass blocking. COMPLETELY different things.
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by Gabe Durrant on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
They are but also our pass blocking has gotten better and so has Colt. I can’t see why you would be calling for the head of a player at a difficult position until you’re sure he’s maxed out.
That throw to Norwood was beautiful too – the type of zippy pass we all want to see more.
How do you defend us losing every week and not being able to must a drive when given 5 opportunities to in the second half?
I defend it by saying we’re a young team with a young first year head coach. Given that most people get better with experience and we have a wizard running our drafts I think being patient is the best course of action if I want to see a SB before I die. 2 years from now, if our offense is this anemic and our D gives up 100 yard rushing games every single week, I probably will be just as mad as you
the td to norwood was a good throw. the throw to norwood that immediately preceded the td throw was atrocious. it was a 36-yard completion, so i won’t groan about it too much, but it was just a horrible throw.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
I here you.
Colts first half was good, efficient football so you can’t say he is uncapable of performing. If you are going to bash him for the 2nd half you have to give him credit for the 1st half.
Holding the ball too long has been an issue, but IMO opinion this has as much to do with the WR as the QB. If Colt can’t trust the receiver is going to be there then he hesitates. In prior games the drops weren’t as pronounced as this game. They were bad yesterday.
The 1st half showed improvement the 2nd half showed otherwise as a team, not just one player.
Colt needs to trust his receivers implicitly. He needs to throw it and if the receiver isn’t where he needs to be then that’s the receiver’s fault.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
i agree with this. i can live with interceptions in the course of executing the offense and being aggressive and being a victim of shitty receivers. i can’t live with dipshit interceptions thrown into quadruple coverage, which is where most of colt’s int’s have come this year.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 29, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
He makes bad decisions outside of the pocket.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Actually there was a pretty nice pocket of space around Little, if he throws it 10 yards farther its a catch for a big play. I’m not buying the “I was trying to throw it out of bounds” bit. He just massively under-threw it because he didn’t/couldn’t set his feet.
Yeah I thought it was odd when he said he was trying to throw it out of bounds. If he wanted to throw it out of bounds, he’d throw it out of bounds. I think he took a shot at Little but couldn’t get it off before the hit.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 29, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
i mean, there is A LOT of out of bounds. it’s not like you have to hit a little sliver of space … throw it to geauga county, right?
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 29, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Wallace would be a good choice as a tutor for throwing it out of bounds…
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 29, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sort of like the Big 12 championship game?
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
No idea what this is referring to.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 2, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
Ahhh yes. Have to say, Colt is one tough SOB. Couldn’t believe he wasn’t injured in that game after the thrashing he took from Suh. Was definitely rattled and shaken up by the time they got down to that last series, but amazingly hung in there and got the job done for the W. Nice job getting it out of bounds in the nick of time on that last play, too.
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That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 2, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
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Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
In all seriousness, by the 4th quarter of that game, I was getting concerned that McCoy was going to end up being taken off on a stretcher. Suh was quite literally an absolute wrecking ball. The Horns o-line, which was already one of the more criticized units on that team, was simply no match for Suh. McCoy took a serious beating from him.
I remember watching that final drive.
McCoy was in a bit of a daze by that final play. He was in survival mode at that point, moving more slowly than usual (and I believe the mental fatigue was starting to creep in). He damn near game the game away on that late throw.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 3, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
either way, if you watch the play he is getting hit. Whether that throw was supposed to go out of bounds or go to Little, that hit definitely made the throw go errant.
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WTF do you want? You won’t be happy until Tom Heckert personally reanimates 2007 Manning or 2003 Brady.
RG3 is a running college quarterback and will not be drafted and used as a quarterback. He is exciting but not a pro type quarterback
Ok we can disagree. He is a quarterback that is in a short passing, jail break type of offense. I ahve watched their games
so sold on Cam (running college QB that had accuracy issues in college but is looking better in the pros) BUT…
not sold on rg3 (running college QB with good accuracy in college)?
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by Gabe Durrant on Nov 27, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
RG3 is not a running QB. He can run if he needs to but he looks to complete passes down-field first. He wouldn’t have so many 400 yard games if he was always running.
I agree, need to clarify…a qb who CAN run. a lot if he needs to.
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by Gabe Durrant on Nov 27, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
The guy has everything. Arm, brains, feet. He’s a junior and already graduated. He’s thrown for multiple 400 yards games and he plays for Baylor (as in, how much other talent does Baylor have?). He grew up in a strict military family and is total class high character guy. He’s Andrew Luck but not over-rated.
Wow is this ever wrong.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
My point is that the pro athlete should not participate in a medium where two way communication is involved. They should have a web page to keep their brand up to date and any thoughts that they want to post. They should keep away from the ability for fans to post back directly to them. And they definitely should not read the local paper and listen to the local media. It’s their own fault if feelings get hurt.
Well its pretty cool that we have a medium to communicate directly with pro athletes so its a shame when we use it to do it asshole style.
How about someone being like “hey good effort guys, sucks that we lost” which is really more accurate than whatever nasty BS people think they need to say.
You can be disappointed and polite at the same time. Even on the consequence free internet I swear its possible.
by BiggieBrown on Nov 27, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. Also discourages people from wanting to play/stay with Cleveland. Haden has given his all for us and the crap people are saying to him can’t encourage him.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
What are they saying to him?
There is such a thing as positive reinforcement. But ignorant buffoons resort to the talk they use with their 3 years olds.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
there’s no way this is endemic to cleveland. every fan base everywhere kills its players on twitter.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cleveland fans are pretty bad. I’m blame the LeAsshat Scenario and Braylon and Wright. I think it changed the player fan dynamic to where fans started really disliking the home team players and really really disliking players they once loved.
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I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
Whatever you may think, all those guys played their asses off. They’re a good bunch of guys too who do a lot for the community so please take your petty disdain and shove it up your ass.
I wondered who would try to negate the positives these guys do with the one negative from the season. I’m not saying we should cherish these guys like idols, but we have a core of players who seem to give a shit about Cleveland for the most part, compared to say a native who claims to care about the city only to crap all over it on national television. I think it’s ridiculous the way we idolize athletes and treat teachers like shit, but the guys we have here now are a pretty good group of guys.
I’ll agree that we have more pros here than in recent history. Community involvement is part of the job for a pro.
So if the Browns go WR/QB,QB/WR in the first round would you complain? If you read the ‘insiders" over on scout, they will tell you Shumur doesn’t like Colt much. He calls conservative stuff for the guy and we see the result. The Browns also need a tall WR. I think we all know this. We have one of the shortest groups in the NFL.
How would the Colt fans react? This is a very dicey time in Browns history. The losing has continued to such a extent, Holmgren may really shake things up again and Shurmur(whether we like it or not) won’t be part of that shakeup.
THe play calling tells you what they think of McCoy’s ability. Everyone hates it hear it, but it is true.
I am amazed that these three posters agree. Amazed….
by BiggieBrown on Nov 27, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And I think the Browns have a better defense than Cincinnati but Dalton did what he needed to and he is a ROOKIE
Your secondary is. I think we have the edge on d-line and probably LB’s too, though.
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yeah. Overall, you guys are better on D. not going to question that one.
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So is Pontbriand throwing games this year on purpose? Someone needs to check his bank records
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Conspiracy to the deepest levels of football. A massive conspiracy I tell ya.
by Johnnypronto on Nov 27, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
We used to win by FG consistently, now we lose by them, consistently. Someone got to him. Check his entire family out.
We used to win by FG consistently
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by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I predicted the Bengals win this game, but the way we played, it seemed like we were finally a force to be reckoned with. Our defense hammered them without mercy, and our offense looked strong on all fronts in the first half. If we can just find a way to contain our strengths throughout the entire game, we could easily contend for this division in the near future. Regardless of the outcome, I believe this is the best game we played all year.
Adam Foote still blows!
Regardless of the outcome, I believe this is the best game we played all year.
We’ve said this for 3 weeks in a row so I’m fine with where we are going.
It’s not so much that I’m excited as that I’m adult and realize we aren’t going to fix this thing this year (even if I do spend the 10 minutes before each game predicting 10-0 Super Bowl runs)
Look you will see. We have been fixing since 2007. This team has the wrong personel. Carolina is on the right track, Cincinnati is on the right track, and Detroit is on the right track ALL TEAMS THAT WERE WORSE THAN US LAST YEAR and all of them have much better YOUNG Quarterbacks than we do right now
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Detroit was much better than us last year.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
you can’t seriously be so delusional that you think a 2-8 panthers team is significantly more “on the right track” than we are.
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Not delusional in the least. They have their answer at QB; that goes a long, long way.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but they need about 11 pieces on defense. Unless you are going to use the disclaimer “on offense”, you are completely delusional to say the Panthers are significantly more on the right track.
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It depends on how much emphasis you place on the QB.
We have been searching for 12 years. I personally would rather have a young QB than a young defense (which we still need many pieces).
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I would too and while Cam Newton is nice, is he that much farther ahead of Colt just passing the ball that if you don’t account for his aging weapons, that puts the offense much more “on the right track”? I am not sure.
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cam newton is way way way way ahead of colt. that puts them ahead of us.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I completely disagree with the 2nd part, because their D is way way way way awful. The team surrounding Cam I think is bottom 2 in the league right now with no signs of going up
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if you have qb answered in the modern nfl you are ahead of all teams that do not have qb answered.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
if the said team that doesn’t have the QB answered has a solid D and talented, young skill position players that are producing they are ahead of the team with the QB if that team has a godawful D and skill position guys who are aging.
Getting a QB is just as hard as getting 13-15 good new starters on offense and defense
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yes, we probably have about 13 players that are better at their position than their counterparts in Carolina too.
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The Packers, Patriots, Steelers, Colts(with Manning), best player is their Quarterback, hmmm and every year they are at the top playing for the superbowl in January while we watch and besides Rodgers they have all done it for years, with a ton of different players. MAYBE JUST MAYBE you need a very good quarterback to compete. I wonder why year after year we blow except for the one year that Anderson played out of his mind.
The QBs for those teams have been in the league for how long?
Rothlistberger wasn’t great his first year, he had a great team, same with Brady – they were good, not great.
manning/rodgers/brady/Ben=/=Newton
The fact that you are even trying to make this argument with Newton gives you absolutely no standing anymore.
Plus, the teams around those guys are better than what Colt or Cam have.
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The point is that even as the rosters have changed those quarterbacks mentioned still were able to move their teams and win games, Colt isn’t doing that.
manning had a rough start to his career
Rodgers got to sit 3 years behind Favre
Roethlisberger had multiple pro bowlers in his supporting cast
Tom Brady is just tom brady
No one here is expecting Colt to be Tom Brady.
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But none of them play quarterback.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
if you have qb answered, you are ahead of all teams that do not.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Colt McCoy’s QB rating and stats are very close to Tim Couch’s in his first 20 games. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
If Colt McCoy turns out to be as good as Tim Couch we’ll all be thrilled, because Colt has a shit-ton more talent around him than Couch ever did.
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SO if McCoy has a shit-ton of talent around him and he is not as good as Couch right now (lofty ambition there , yeah right) why isnt the team moving the ball, hmmm can’t be the shit-ton of talent, it must be someone else. Way to prove yourself there.
Colt has shown improvement over the last couple of games. As I’ve already said 100 times, Colt isn’t necessarily our QBOTF, but he is set up a hell of a lot more to be than Couch ever was.
I also said Colt has a shit-ton more talent around him than Couch ever did, which doesn’t mean we’re all set right now. Couch had an OL made up of tackling dummies, and the organization never made any honest effort to protect him. Having more talent than the Couch-Browns doesn’t take a lot.
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by Dawg Nuts on Nov 28, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well if Colt has more talent around him , why is he doing worse than Couch, who could atleast move the damn team
Because he isn’t that good right now, just like I’ve said a million goddamn times. But he showed improvement and I’m not ready to write him off in November when a lot can happen until April. You have no idea what will happen with Colt or this team until the draft.
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just like I’ve said a million goddamn times
he didn’t listen the first million goddamn times.
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You defended Delhomme last year, your message is that you like to fight. Colt is not leading this team right now and I doubt he ever will. Stats are that I am correct, not you, and what you hope
When Delhomme sucked, I did not defend him. I didn’t think he would be as awful as he was before the season, but I certainly wasn’t all that adamant in defending him either.
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Tim Couch had an awful supporting cast and still won some games. If he was playing with our current OL, he’d have been great.
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Couch sucked. Screen pass. Screen pass. Screen pass. Screen pass. Screen pass.
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I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
No he didn’t. Played well despite the organization not giving him shit for an OL. Played well despite the organization not giving him shit for an OL. Played well despite the organization not giving him shit for an OL. Played well despite the organization not giving him shit for an OL. Played well despite the organization not giving him shit for an OL.
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and I disagree.
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yeah, but you didn’t put in the qualifier of offense. For the short term, they are looking a lot better on offense than the Browns. they are playing better and have much better pieces, but those pieces are going to have a short shelf life.
Steve Smith is having a resurgence but is 32. He will hit a wall within 2 years. Deangelo Williams is getting kinda old for a RB and already has injury issues. They are on the right track with surrounding Cam in the short term, but neither guy has the long term value of a Hardesty or a Little.
I think of on the right track as being fairly long term (2+ seasons) and I am not sure if the pieces around Cam have that in them but they are good now.
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And Newton is getting it done with better RBs and receivers than we have and by “getting it done”, I mean his .86/1 TD/INT ratio.
One player who is putting up some gaudy stats, much of the time against bad passing Ds (like Arizona and GB).
For all the talk Cam Newton is getting, people fail to notice that his TD/INT ratio since week 4 is 7/9 and he hasn’t thrown for 300 yards. He still has some good games against poor passing Ds (like against Washington and minny), but overall he is looking more like a rookie as teams adjust.
Watch him get a pro bowl with an 80 QB rating just based on hype. He is looking good this year, but we are 10 games into his rookie season which makes crowning him already the way people are a bit ludicrous.
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But he is playing well without and OTA’s and any real training camp and is far outplaying Colt McCoy.
and isnt Colt into his 18th game now?
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
He is and Dalton has played less as has Newton, and Stafford is out playing him (WITH NO RUNNING GAME AT ALL) and only has 24 games under his belt. Colt is a great guy with heart but just not getting it done.
Stafford sucks. Both he and Dalton would throw 3 INTs every game without Megatron and Green. Shit, both of them do it anyway.
Stafford is legit.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to think he is very overrated. Thought he looked awful the past few games, and Cal has bailed him out quite a bit.
megatron definitely makes him look better, but i don’t think he’s bad.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
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and Cal has bailed him out quite a bit.
I would say that when you have a receiver like Johnson you’re going to attempt those throws knowing he will make it a positive play. I don’t think I could honestly label that as him bailing his QB out. I don’t know, but I doubt the passes would have been thrown had it been Robo on the other end.
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I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
we have ok receivers, nothing special, but I agree we are missing a top receiver. For what it is worth they are not helping McCoy at all
Our WR’s suck.
Little and Norwood are the only two who belong on a NFL roster. (Cribbs isn’t a WR).
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
we don’t have a receiver who is as good as megatron’s left hand.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
He’s still a rookie on a bad team. Whatever stats you want to throw out are irrelevant at this point. Manning’s stats sucked his rookie season too. You don’t judge rookies on stats you judge them by their potential – either you see it there or you don’t.
Manning’s stats sucked his rookie season too
And so did Jeff George on a bad team.
The point is, its very early to crown a 2-8 panthers team as “on the right track” when I’d say the jury is just as much out on their QB as ours.
I see potential in Cam, but there was potential in George. too. I wouldn’t say drafting a QB with a lot of potential puts you “on the right track”, especially when your skill position players have a very limited shelf life.
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Cam Newton has potential (so far he has shown a ton of potential) Colt McCoy has been a failing and has shown no real potential to be a quarterback that can lead a team. There is a major difference right now in the two of these players potential.
I should have asked you about Colt. How could I have overlooked this.
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What the f are you talking about son. This has nothing to do with Colt or Jeff George or anyone else. I merely stated Cam that if my team had Cam I would be feeling good about building around that. Jeff George? Seriously man were you even born when he was a rookie? His only good year was when he could throw bombs to Randy Moss.
Seriously man were you even born when he was a rookie?
sighting number 2 of condescending asshole using fan length as a legitimate argument.
Manning’s stats sucked his rookie season too
And so did Jeff George on a bad team.
His only good year was when he could throw bombs to Randy Moss.
you clearly just grazed through my comment. I said Jeff George was shitty as a rookie. He never stopped being shitty even though he had just about as much potential as Cam.
If I had Cam, I would be feeling okay about the QB i’ve got, but if I was their gm, I would also be seriously worrying about how I can win with him once Steve Smith shows his age.
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about what? jeff george having Newton potential? He definitely was hyped as such.
About Steve Smith? the dude is 32.
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Well you said it yourself. Geoff George sucked as a rookie. Cam Newton hasn’t.
Sorry Bross, I can’t really deal with whatever you’re trying to say so sorry if it was condescending, it wasn’t meant to be.
Why are we talking about Geoff George???
to put your quote into better context for you
Whatever stats you want to throw out are irrelevant at this point. Manning’s stats sucked his rookie season too.
with Jeff George I was merely saying for every Peyton manning who struggles his rookie year, there is a Jeff George who struggles his whole career.
I think Cam will be better than George, but he hasn’t been amazing (even for a rookie) after that 4 game period of insanity. Basically, I think the jury is still out (and to play devil’s advocate, a team that had Jeff George probably thought he had tons of potential and they could build a team around him).
Thanks for the apology. I did’t think you meant it with as much maliciousness as c64, I just got annoyed at it twice and ended up taking it out on the 2nd person.
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Colt McCoy has played 18 games and you know as well as I do, he can’t move this team at all. When we need it, he can’t do it. Whether it is his line, he receivers, no running backs the play calling, or HIS Ability, HE is not getting it done. Cam Newton is. Andy Dalton is, Matthew Stafford is, Colt is not. sorry but he is not.
All of these guys have legitimate #1 WRs without the dropsies of Little.
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and what exactly is Cam Newton getting “done”?
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by Gabe Durrant on Nov 28, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Is that the goal? If winning is the goal, Cam is not getting it done.
by chitown browns fan on Nov 28, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Winning is a team stat.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Do you understand the concept of supporting casts?
Oh, I forgot. 87 yards.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Lucky for you, the 4 of our 5 last games are against Pitt and Bal. I think Colt’s future will be determined by those 4 games.
Emily, I think that is fair. If he moves the ball and can win 3 of last 5 especially against the Ravens and Steelers, I will eat my words. I dont think that he will. If he can show us that he is what we need at quarterback against the Steelers and Ravens and win I will say I am wrong
But everyone loves say Shurmur is an idiot a million times, that is ok
by champion64 on Nov 28, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wins don’t matter. they can go 0-5 and if colt looks good you (and i) should eat your (our) words.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
do you want Colt to stay and be the quarterback of the future?
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it was a joke.
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From what he is showing now no, I think he is too small and his decisions are too slow. It takes a big arm and a big time quarterback to win now. I like Colt alot, I do. I just see the same crap week in and week out. It has to stop. His talent does not seem to able to compensate for all the speed and size in the NFL
From what he is showing now no, I think he is too small and his decisions are too slow. It takes a big arm and a big time quarterback to win now. I like Colt alot, I do. I just see the same crap week in and week out. It has to stop. His talent does not seem to able to compensate for all the speed and size in the NFL
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Bross well said, now I get you
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BTQ are us. Isn’t there on there in Cleveland?
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Carolina's offense is fantastic.
Their defense needs upgrades across the board other than Beason and Charles Johnson.
Also, aren’t they 3-8 now?
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yep, they beat a winless team.
Carolina’s offense is really good, but two of their key players outside of newton have a very limited shelf life (Williams and Smith). Also, outside of Cam Newton, the Browns are so much more on the right track it’s not even funny and even if a player is a QB, I don’t think he makes that much of a difference.
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record does not always show how well a team plays. we played well against the Rams but a botched snap caused us to lose. The Bengals are a quality opponent and we lost at the last second, but played well.
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Our scoring plays came of Cincy mistakes.
Yes, record usually is a good way of showing how well a team plays against bad teams
by The Licensed Pessimist on Nov 27, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
and some of their scores came off of bad tackling/bad coverage by us. it evens out there. You can’t look at a record in a vacuum and 100% be able to decide how good a team has played. We have played better than the 1-2 record over the last 3 games.
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is this because we battled??
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
and some of their scores came off of bad tackling/bad coverage by us.
That’s a talent problem, not an outlier. Browns defense sucks because they can’t tackle. Cincy’s defense doesn’t suck because Clements kept tripping on a slippery field.
The Browns barely beat one of the worst teams in the league, and lost to the second worst team. They also lost to a division rival. yes, the record is reflective of their play
by The Licensed Pessimist on Nov 27, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
If Clements can’t get his feet under him, it’s his fault. No one else had problems falling in coverage but him. That’s his issue, not the fields.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I saw Fujita slip at least once and 3 other browns slip down as well and that doesn’t mean there weren’t others. That’s nobody’s fault when you’re playing on a wet field presuming you have the right cleat size.
I still don’t assume Norwood’s good fortune on the day was due to a wet field. If Clements can’t correctly run on the field, it’s his own fault Norwood capitalized.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
I just thought Norwood’s good fortune was due to him being a good receiver, which he has shown repeatedly. I didn’t know that’s what you guys were talking about. They both have to run on the same field, if a 2nd year UDFA can do it better than a veteran first rounder more power to him.
This is the point I’m trying to make.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
i thought norwood was a rookie?
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
No, we Psquaded him, lost him IIRC, then we got him back.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
ahh, i thought i remember them saying at the beggining of the year that he was a rookie. MY bad, please dont hate me!
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
But in that same stroke it’s not saying much about Norwood for only being able to do something when his defender takes himself out of the play
by The Licensed Pessimist on Nov 27, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Point taken. But I think Norwood’s sick knee breaking move last week alludes to his true skill. I think there’s something there.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t have a problem exploring his skills. He’s extremely shifty
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just seen the throw from hainey to knox, jeeeez!! hell of a throw
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Why is this here? I’m confused.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hanie blew it.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a talent problem
not really. even the most talented teams have blown coverages. Our blown coverages and poor tackling were not fully talent problems and some were mistakes by good players.
Browns defense sucks
that’s an exaggeration
doesn’t suck because Clements kept tripping on a slippery field.
So good players making bad tackles is a talent issue but Clements not being able to stay on his field is just a fluke?
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Did you really have to break that all up?
The Browns looked like crap out there whenever Clements wasn’t slipping in coverage or when the DB’s weren’t allowing a slow “WR” to slowly trot alone in the endzone from confusion.
So good players making bad tackles is a talent issue but Clements not being able to stay on his field is just a fluke?
Yes. yes. yes yes yes. One of the worst run defenses not being able to tackle is a fundamental problem. A team playing zone defenses slipping on a wet field when they have to accelerate isn’t a fundamental problem. I hope you’re not too densed to be able to admit to this.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Nov 27, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
this is my favorite
DB’s weren’t allowing a slow "WR" to slowly trot alone in the endzone from confusion.
One of the worst run defenses
you mean a run D that was 20th in ypa coming into this game while facing mjd, Foster/Tate, Frank Gore, S-Jax and dmc?
densed
This is actually true. I was densed, but am no loner dense.
A team playing zone defenses
they didn’t play zone on every play though.
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Our scoring plays came of Cincy mistakes.
The same could be said about 75% of all TDs scored in the NFL.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
we played well against the Rams
incorrect
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
The Bengals are not for real. To be honest, with the two games we played against them, The BROWNS outplayed them and should have won. I think the Bengals are the most overrated team with a decent record. Don’t say the Broncos , everyone including their coach knows they blow.
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by Dawg Nuts on Nov 28, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Sure, we could have won them both; we didn’t and they did. Good teams find a way to win games like that, and with the way their defense and young offensive guys have been playing, they’re a good team.
What we have right now is the beginnings of a team that can win games like that and become a good team. Of course, I guess the better plan is to blow shit up…
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let’s be serious … in ALL walks of life, blowing shit up is always the better plan…
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
they should have won both games, but the Bengals are still a good team. Good teams (like DN said) find ways to win the ugly ones.
The Panthers suck but still managed to almost beat the Saints
The Vikes suck but lost in OT to the lions and almost beat the Packers
The Dolphins beat the bills and almost beat the Pats in week 1
Divisional games are often much closer than they look on paper. Those games were closely contested because they were in the division even though Cincy looks like the better team
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I’ve said all along the best way to determine how a team is playing is not the record. We sucked against the Rams, we were ok against the Jags, and I really think our best game of the year was yesterday. It wasn’t a complete game by any stretch, and that’s a low bar, but I still think it was progress.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
To continue my point we sucked against the Dolphins and Colts, two teams we beat.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I, like everyone else here, am frustrated we lost yesterday, but that was our best game of the year by far. I’ll take that game over the wins over the Colts and the Dolphins every time.
Colt made good decisions by and large, we ran the ball to convert short 3rd downs into 1st downs at will, and we got to the opposing team’s QB regularly. The difference in the game and an underlying theme to the season is our WRs dropping relatively mundane, easily catchable balls to sustain drives. We didn’t need to counter Green’s circus catch with our own; it would have been just as well to have made the easy catches throughout the game and not have any of them be highlight reel material.
I think Colt’s beginning to understand the offense and now has two WRs (Little and Norwood) with whom he is beginning to feel particularly comfortable. Even with Little’s drops, it’s good that Colt’s finding WRs and not consistently looking for Ben Watson and Peyton Hillis (or whichever checkdown there is) every down like he did for a good stretch.
Going forward, this FO needs to draft a stud DE/OLB to collapse the edge on opposing running game’s outside runs and shore up the offensive line, especially RT and RG. Lauvao is starting to disappoint me as much as Pinkston is starting to surprise.
If Colt continues to play like he has recently and further learns the intricacies of this offense, he’s here next year, and I’d be perfectly happy with that. Adding a few more pieces to the team through this upcoming draft will likely pay big dividends next year. Removing a QB who has taken this year to learn the offense doesn’t seem logical to me, especially if he is to be replaced by an even more unknown commodity who would have to do the same thing.
by chitown browns fan on Nov 28, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I finally figured it out – you’re Tony Grossi.
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by Dawg Nuts on Nov 28, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No – he’s Tim Tebow.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Numerous people have answered your claims. You just don’t like their answers. So you scream them again.
I don’t think anyone here has said that McCoy is the clear cut future of this franchise. Some think that he has tools, some think he has potential. There are so many ways to view the issue. Just because many don’t agree that McCoy sucks and should start selling insurance in Austin, Texas, doesn’t mean they think he is a “Tom Brady Jr.”
The sooner you realize this, the sooner my eyeballs stop bleeding.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
and you went off on Delhomme for two months last year and people argued with you. Why is it different this year. I particularly thought you were right last year and if you support McCoy this year I think you are wrong. Show me the stats that show you McCoy is a quarterback that you think is doing enough to win in this league
Guess what, I have no idea whether or not I want McCoy back or not. I haven’t seen enough one way or the other, and I don’t think I have ever stated anything other than this all season long.
I think being a NFL QB is the hardest job in all of professional sports. I think Colt has swallowed two different offenses and two coaching staffs in two seasons. He has shown flashes of making big time throws, and flashes of bone headed decisions. Right now, McCoy is as much of a question mark as anything on this team. Good thing we still have games left.
You on the other hand, have made up your mind, and you continue to jump down the throats of everyone that isn’t on the “FIRE COLT” bandwagon.
You keep asking for stats. I don’t know what stat you would like? He has a plus TD/INT ratio that isn’t as high as we would like, but I would take it. His YPA is way too low, but I don’t know if that is more of a negative of playcalling, playmaking of the WR or Colt himself. His completion percentage is lower than I would like in this type of offense.
But at the end of the day, I have seen enough from McCoy to allow him the rest of the season to prove what he can do.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ok answer me this. If he plays as he has in the next five weeks, (subpar) do you think we should take a shot at a quarterback in the draft? Or bring in another veteran that if this happens again next year, we pull McCoy?
If I were the GM and McCoy doesn’t improve, I wouldn’t draft a first rounder.
I would use the picks on skill position/offensive line. Then I would sign Vince Young to compete with McCoy. Young will be coming off a season in which he played in this offense and would be hungry for a chance.
Let them compete. If McCoy beats VY, then he gets another year. If he doesn’t, we address the position in the draft.
But that assumes McCoy shows no growth.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think Young would come on a one/two year deal. Only reason I picked him over Flynn.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
That is all I am saying. Difference is I would take a shot at Luck if I had a chance. I am not that hot on Jones, Griffin, or Barkley yet. If they could get one of the latter three in the second or third round, I would and make them sit. I would still bring in a veteran and have him compete with McCoy
Well, none of those guys are going in the second round, forget about the third. And we have literally NO shot at Luck.
Don’t say that, a lot can happen in 5 weeks. Personally I would rather not draft Luck. I’m not convinced he’s the next Payton Manning from the couple of games I saw and there’s so much pressure on him to be the savior it just seems like big bust potential. If we draft a QB I think Barkley or RG 3 if they fall a few spots. Hell if we end up #1 I would trade down a few spots for a kings ransom and then take RG3.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here? I never said we couldn’t draft any of those guys, I just said there is no way they are gonna go in the second or third round.
And we have literally NO shot at Luck.
Mathematically its still possible.
I really don’t care anyway. If it were up to me RG3 goes back to school to get a law degree, we start Colt next year and if he still sucks we trade an entire draft to get Griffin.
you know what … i’ll sign up for this.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is, we would have to trade WAY too much to get Luck.
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They tried hard to pay the price to get Bradford, so I think they may try that again if it is up to Holmgren
The price for Luck, for many different reasons, will be much, much higher than Bradford’s price tag.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Bradford went number one and we have more to offer this year. Problem is it seems he will be a Indy Colt, to replace Manning eventually
1. Rookie salary cap
2. Lucks stock >>>> Bradford’s stock
3. Colts need a QBoTF
The above equals, no Andrew Luck in Cleveland.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
precisely.
maybe we could sign peyton?
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
that’s a good call. that team wins, what, eleventy super bowls in a row w/ a competent qb?
big cap number for qb’s next year w/ the sanchize (whether or not they cut him) and peyton, though.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think Peyton has 3 good years left.
Jets go all in.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
They tried hard to pay the price to get Bradford,
where was it in the reports that they “tried hard to pay the price” for Bradford. I know they explored it, but the way you say it, it implies they wanted to pay the hefty price.
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said they enquired about it and they would’ve had to sell the farm or something like that.
that’s what it sounded like. “tried hard to pay the price” to me sounds like they were at least somewhat willing to sell the farm.
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We have a QB. Until Colt hangs himself with the slack he’s been given, I don’t see how we pursue a rookie QB with a high draft pick. There are too many variables this year (new offensive scheme, rookie #1 WR, Steinbach injury, Pashos injury and general ineptitude, Hillis and Hardesty injuries) to isolate QB as the definitive issue yet, if at all.
We have two things in our favor: Tom and Heckert.
Be patient, grasshoppa.
by chitown browns fan on Nov 28, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if I could take another QB controversy but I’ve always thought VY was a pretty good QB.
It might push McCoy and if McCoy is better than he is and you have to go with that. I am not a Vince Young fan. I dont think he gets it either, 4th down yesterday, he threw the ball out of the endzone so not throw an interception.
i’m a titans fan-in-law, and vince young is an asshole. he’s basically braylon edwards behind center. i’d like to see him exactly nowhere near this team.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing the Browns would have a pretty good idea where VY is at mentally after this season (The Browns-Iggles connections).
If we did sign him, I imagine we would have done a lot of homework.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
All I want is consistency. Period. end of story. Consistency. I am tired of the opening day stat that shows the Browns opening day starters for the past umpteen years and having a different name on it every year. Honestly I don’t give two shits if Colt McCoy throws 50 more INTS the rest of the year. As long as we stop rotating the crap out of the QB position and stick with someone.
wait … you just want to start mccoy next year for the sake of consistency? that seems like a bad idea.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 29, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, becuase unlike champion I don;t think he is playing disgustingly bad. Great, No, good, no, but consistency is how the good teams succeed. There is no magic bullet. A rookie QB will not save this team, not next year. This city cannot handle another QB controversy. Build the team some more, start Colt and see what happens. I think the results will be there. You may disagree and I am Ok with that , but consistency will get us to the next level.
Honestly I don’t give two shits if Colt McCoy throws 50 more INTS the rest of the year.
this is what you said. and this is the height of absurdity. starting an outright terrible qb (or any player) merely for the sake of consistency is just dumb.
in a less extreme discussion, though, i would argue that you have to get the best players you possibly can into each position on the team, quarterback included. it would be very hard to convince me that colt is the out-and-out best option at quarterback for the browns in 2012, and i think the argument supporting that view is a very tough one to make, largely based in hope and irrational optimism.
at the very least, you have to do what you can to try to improve as many positions as you can, and when it comes to the single most important position on the field you have to do your damnedest every single year to improve. at the very least some competition needs to be brought in to see if we can improve at qb.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 30, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll admit the 50 INTs was an exageration. I want consistency, but I am not opposed to bringing in competition. IMO the last thing Cleveland needs is a QB controversy. A QB competition would be OK. I have no faith in Seneca and a competent back-up would be appropriate. I do not think that is a 1st round rookie (this year) becuase we other holes that can be fixed and can greatly improve the team.
In my case, I don’t think it is hope and irrational optimism, but a willingness to see if growth occurs when so many other variables are reduced or eliminated. One off season can do this.
I struggle when people “fall in love” with a player (ie Luck, RG, etc) because they “think” they are irreplaceable and there will never be another one like them.
by SBP on Dec 2, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
SO McCoy can fail and be horrible but you want him to start?? Make absolutely zero sense. Why would you want a guy who is playing horribly (the rest of the year as you put it) to start again next year. You know what I dont need an answer forget I even commented.
Your opinion is well documented. There is disagreement with your assessment. You say horrible, I say progressing with what he has been asked to do. So there in lies the difference, if I thought he as playing horribly no, but because I don’t think he is playing horribly and considering circumstances he is playing in then yes I want him starting next year.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 28, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
That Chitown thought Colt made good Decisions?? You have to be kidding me. I guess his stats averaging 5.4 YPC and a quarterback rating in the mid 70’s dont matter. He has not moved the ball in teh first half of 4/5 of his games and only has moved the ball when most games have been out of reach. Are you people not watching?
Colt makes bone headed mistakes when he starts pressing and trying to hard to make a play. I think he’ll get over that with more maturity (football wise). The fact that he has more TDs than INTs is a good indication of his decision making skills.
I agree with everything except the last paragraph. I am not sold on Colt, and if there’s a guy there in the first that the FO likes, they better take him.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
It is not progress. We did not move the ball when we needed to. TO put together a drive in the second half would be progress. Was our thrashing of New England and New Orleans and OT against the JETS progress last year? You would have said yes and look where we are today? WORSE. They were aberrations, not the norm, and not what we could expect. What we have come to expect is 6 plays and a punt.
Isn’t there is a ledge somewhere you should be on?
by Brownie's Year on Nov 28, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, and it’s 87 yards off the ground.
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by Dawg Nuts on Nov 28, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I can’t decide if you are an impatient fan of the Browns who wants to win now or obsessively compulsive. Either way, I’m glad you’ve found a healthy outlet for your energy.
by chitown browns fan on Nov 28, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i’m not sure it’s been true for 3 weeks in a row, but it was definitely true yesterday.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
dont know if it’s been mentioned, but Fujita broke his hand in 2 places. doesn’t think its season ending.
great.
Just put him on the IR. Give Mavia more playing time/Practice. We are done.
by Johnnypronto on Nov 27, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
That was a tough loss in a well fought football game
Hillis is back. I don’t know why they didn’t use him more. I am glad they didn’t though. I also think Colt showed he can play – he just doesn’t have enough weapons. You need a #1 WR IMO. Keep your heads up. You are much closer than I thought you were. I know I am glad we don’t have to play you again.
I will say this for us though. Again we were down and didn’t quit. I think we also got a good idea just how good Green is. Haden bottled him up but Green came thru against him when we needed him to. Gresham also sealed himself as a potential PB TE.
Again great game. I think you will give Baltimore and Pittsburgh all they want. Ohio will ruke the AFCN in a year or two. I am proud that you are an Ohio team.
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by JUNGLEJOHN on Nov 27, 2011 5:21 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I live in Cincy. When I drive by Paul Brown Stadium, I feel its my duty to spit out the window. Our company x-mas party is there every year. I refuse to flush.
by dmbshn41 on Nov 27, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What was with all the empty seats?
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, the Bengals empty stadium is the Browns fault. I think there is a seat with your name on it in Buffalo.
ewww i even take Colt over Fitzpatrick. :)
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Fitzpatrick is no Manning, but he’s better than Colt.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
But the only reason is that Fitz has been Fitz starting a lot more games. Give it another year and they even out.
disagree. even in his limited early action (w/ the rams, i believe?), fitz showed a real “it” factor that colt has not demonstrated ever.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I saw more of an “it” factor from Colt last year than I did from Fitzpatrick up until 2011.
And I did follow Buffalo too and saw glimpses of him in St. Louis.
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he definitely showed the “it” factor to generate drives late against the Jets. He definitely showed a good ability to generate drives in the Panthers game and the Jaguars game last year. He was also quite good against the Bengals.
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This is one thing you can’t complain about with Colt. No QB is going to go down the field and win it every time. Colts has already done this three or four times in close games, he’s definitely capable of it.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think Fitzpatrick is smoke and mirrors.
He is a junk QB.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
His stats as a career have been better than McCoy and two years ago when he started the Bills were awful. His stats are still better than McCoy and he had absolutely nothing in Buffalo
Stevie Johnson, David Nelson and Fred Jackson are all better than what we have here right now.
I don’t understand how you think Fitz has nothing to work with in Buffalo.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
that’s because they never care and are dead last in attendance
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Gresham and Green both made sweet plays all day that our receivers would have dropped or worse. Dalton is really good but his receivers are making him look really good and your O Line did a pretty good job protecting him but when we did pressure he was calm in the pocket and delivered a throw. Very impressive.
Green is just insane. Haden is good, but when you have a WR with green’s size, jumping, and wingspan and he can go get it like he did on that last pass, the CB has no chance.
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Positives
Jabaal Sheard. This guys needs props.
4 forced fumbles this year and he’s in the backfield on every play. he is going to a force for a long time.
now if only he could tackle better
What about the play when he took the handoff from Dalton, stuffed it in Bensons gut, and smeared him? I can forget a missed tackle on that.
phenomenal pick by the cornerstone of the franchise: tom heckert.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
The way we just lost — how do you explain it? It’s hard to look a fan in the eyes after the performance we just had. The only thing the fans care about is winning. … I have to stop now or I’ll say something I [regret].
-Cribbs
by emily522 on Nov 27, 2011 5:36 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The amount of passion he STILL shows for the Browns after all these years is amazing. It’s players like him that really make your team better just by being a presence in the locker room.
Adam Foote still blows!
He’s not calling for anyone to be dumped. He is saying that as a team they lost in a heartbreaking fashion. He is just being passionate about the Browns, even it it was a loss on their part.
Adam Foote still blows!
What is he contributing? Most of the players, including him, did not perform today. What kind of dispensation does he want? He quit talking because he said he might say something he would regret.
I think he should keep quiet until he makes some plays on the field.
Cribbs is leading the team in receiving TDs and his returns consistently give us solid field position. I guess he doesn’t do squat.
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Buffalo still has room for more fans.
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by JustBob on Nov 27, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
he was about to blow up on any one of the following:
1. the coaches
2. the defense
3. the quarterback
4. the wr’s who dropped balls
why is this hard?
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
My guess is #4.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’s also rightfully pissed that Little is the primary receiver. Clearly that should be Cribbs or MoMass.
Whatever, in the reality that is the current point in time, Cribbs or MoMass should be the X receiver. Probably Cribbs right now given MoMass’ head is about to pop off.
they all suck (including little at this point), but cribbs should clearly be the “go to”
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Feeling Cribbs is not sold on the coaching staff, I think any anger directed at 4, is outweighed by his anger at 1 and 3s insistence on allowing 4 to occur. I think Cribbs realizes what LIttle is at this point, and is probably more angered at the fact that those in control continue to make the decisions to send the ball his way instead of towards other receivers.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
I think we miss that FG anyway.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I think we at least have a chance with a good snap and a practically automatic kicker. Not saying it’s guaranteed, but a genuine miss rather than a flubbed snap makes the loss a little less biting.
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It was 55 yards in the rain into the wind. The 52 yarder or whatever it was earlier in the game barely made it with the wind.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
According to Dieken there wasn’t much wind. The 54 yarder he made earlier would have been good from 60 and its Dawson.
54 yarder was “with the wind” to the extent that there was any.
i’m not convinced he makes this kick, but it would have been nice to see him have a legitimate chance.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 29, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
its definitely possible. No guarantee on the FG.
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“definitely possible” is a great phrase to describe bross’ general view of almost everything. is it definite? or is it possible? yes.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 29, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
now even I am lost.
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I’m not saying attitude is more important than talent, because it clearly isn’t, but you need leadership to be successful.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
So how many blocks did Pashos completely blow? He and lauvao are the weakest parts of this team.
by borlox on Nov 27, 2011 5:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Pashos. This time it wasn’t on Lauvao
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Right, right, right. All Colt’s fault.
Next.
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by JustBob on Nov 27, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s hard to completely destroy your own credibility on the internet, where consequences are slim to none. Somehow you’ve managed to do so against all odds. Props to you, sir. Well done.
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by roar888 on Nov 28, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So how many blocks did Pashos completely blow?
Not many that I saw. Lauvao sucks.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
seriously. why doesn’t that guy get more tick? isn’t shurmur supposed to have started out as a lineman and then a line coach?
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wow wow wow. That was much more exciting than I would have liked it to be. I said on Cincy Jungle that Colt’s upside wasn’t far off from Dalton’s and had my football knowledge called into question. Tell your FO to get him some WR’s so he can prove me right and Baltimore or Pittsburgh can hang out in the basement for a change. I can’t stress this enough – your WR’s are awful and might be the only thing holding you back from being a truly good team. Sorry if that sounds like an insult because you guys are really solid everywhere but that position.
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by Mr. Bad Example on Nov 27, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
…of course, the ‘battle’ is a actually a gunfight and they keep bringing the butter knives…but…still…they ‘battled.’ Too bad we don’t get asterisks next to the loss indicating it’s ‘ok’ b/c this game included a fair amount of ‘battling.’
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 27, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
i know i’m going to get ripped apart for this, and my i’ll give up my fan card if you guys want it, but at this point i’m happier with a fluke loss where we looked like a good team than a fluke win against where we didn’t play well against a bad team. i’m not rooting against the browns, but in the long run would we have remembered that we beat cincy en route to another playoff-less season? will we be helped out by being bounced up a couple spots in the draft? if that’s the difference between getting Blackmon or not? I’ll take it, to be honest. I’m not looking at record right now. I’m looking for improvement, and (other than in the WR corps) I’m seeing it.
at this point, pretty loss > ugly win
I actually agree with you. It would have been nice to win this game but let’s face it, we’re not competing for anything other than draft picks right now. I don’t have any particular grudge against the Bengals. It’s the Browns, so I know it takes twice as much effort to accomplish something than it does another team.
I was upset by the way the team closed the game against Jacksonville. We played better today than we did last week.
All we ask is that the team improves and that the game is watchable (big difference vs games like Houston or St Louis). I think they did ok today. Lots of work left but we’re in better shape than we were after the loss to St Louis.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Nov 27, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I would still prefer wins over losses even if it affects our draft position. You always will play a lot of close games unless you’re the Packers so I would like to see a team that gets it done at the end rather than doesn’t.
i might take this over an ugly where we look awful against a bad team. We looked solid against a competent team on the road, and had a shot to win at the end.
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exactly. when you’re contending for the playoffs its about the record. when you aren’t, it’s about looking good
great reply. Added alot
This from the guy who said:
Yeah those 87 total yards in the second half showed them who is boss!
Buffalo, dude. Buffalo.
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by JustBob on Nov 27, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
are you 13? We gained 87 yards on offense, 10 them by penalty in the second half with 5 drives and the closest we got was teh Cincinnati 36,. WOW I am wrong he is a Tom Brady Jr.
Dude, you come over to this board on random times and make some good comments. At other times, you just act like an ass — your two prior comments show both of this. I know you think you are better than everyone becuase you post at LGT, but if you want to hang out over here, tone it down.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t know where i’ve acted like an ass before. i know i’ve had a short temper with this champion64 guy but other than that i think i’ve been pretty tame on this site. i’m sorry if people view me as an ass but i dont try to be one. i was just annoyed with champion64 on the gamethread and let it carry over here. my bad.
and i don’t think i’m better than everyone because i post on LGT. when have i said i think i’m better than someone?
i think he was talking about c64
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
i took it the other way, sorry.
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
We all can have our opinions
Not if some folks had their way.
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hahah i dont care ive just tried to be sensible and give good input but apparently i’m not as well liked as i thought i was.
also, sorry about earlier c64. i disagreed with (and still do, completely) your opinion about McCoy but we’re all entitled to our opinions.
you have multiple opinions?
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bross often has multiple opinions on the same question!
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
no, just multiple personalities
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I have no problem with that all. In fact, it’s the proper way to view this season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
at this point i’m happier with a fluke loss where we looked like a good team than a fluke win against where we didn’t play well against a bad team.
I 100% agree with this.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I felt much better losing this way than completely inept.
-We all have to expect losses with this team. We knew we weren’t going to run the gambit, we need to keep our expectations in perspective.
-THE ONLY REASON McCoy had a bone head play was because when he threw the deep ball, he was leveled off his feet. Should he have recalled it and taken the hit? Sure, but it looked like we had someone open deep and if he wasn’t pulled off his feet, the ball would’ve made it the 10 extra yards.
-DO WE OWN A JUGGS MACHINE?!
-I.NEED.MORE.JORDAN.NORWOOD.
-I missed Hillis. He had his fumblies again but he came back and showed us that he is who we still thought he was.
-I will not accept the slump Joe Haden is going through right now. The bar is set too high for him to come out playing like this.
-Jauron lost this game for us. I can’t stand to see Benson run over this team.
-I was actually fine with the playcalling. Offense looked good today, even as they started to trail off into the second half.
-I miss Brad Seely more than I missed Hillis.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:11 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
The offense could have put this game away just like the first game of the year. 87 TOTAL YARDS IN THE SECOND HALF WAS THE REASON WE LOST. ONE TOUCHDOWN DRIVE AND WE WIN. 87 TOTAL YARDS
Yes, they trailed off, I mentioned that. But with drive deflating drops and breakdowns in protection due to coverage schemes, we weren’t able to move. The Bengals came out with better Defensive adjustments than our offense could compensate for. But that still doesn’t excuse the defense for allowing AJ Green to catch a floater and rumble to the 1. It doesn’t excuse them to allow Benson to run almost untouched into the endzone.
The offense went up quick and the defense didn’t back them up.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
How many yards did we have in the second half?
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by Dawg Nuts on Nov 27, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i think his imagination is some of HIS FINEST WORK!!! I USED CAPS TOO IN CASE YOU DIDNT GET THE POINT!! lol
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Usually, but he makes excellent points here, except for the Jauron lost the game for us point, they’re all pretty solid.
While the defense had some 3 and outs, they were too infrequent.
Run defense failed on epic proportions today. The only time we really held it in check was when Scott came in on spells. He didn’t come out with good adjustments as he usually does, and he couldn’t get Haden to hold Green.
Haden’s been on a slump and I attribute that to ineffective coaching. Jauron did not have a good day coaching today.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think Haden is taking some chances. The first catch Green had, Haden seemed to let him get behind him because he was trying to jump the route underneath.
I couldn’t rewind it, so I may be totally off on this, it very may well have been a zone.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
i still think haden isn’t 100% healthy right now.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
No real evidence, but I think Haden might be showing signs of losing focus and at the very least, teams have figured out his weaknesses and are attacking them.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
Or rather turning a strength (his aggressiveness) into a weakness. I think his legacy (probably a bit strong of a word) will be defined by how he adjusts to the league’s adjustments to him.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
Our defense is also seriously lacking in talent outside of Haden, DQ and the d line. If you want to do better vs the run we’ve got to upgrade at LB
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by troy145 on Nov 27, 2011 7:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
And how about on the 1st drive for the bengals… 3rd and 18 and we give up a 1st down. Now they didnt score that drive, but they did after we went 3 and out and punted to them at the 50.
Terrible. You have to stop them there to get the ball back with good field position and score again.
That play was awful playcalling by Jauron. He sent 3 guys and back 4 of the DBs behind the 1st down marker. They were straight prevent and thats why a short pass to Hawkins had so much YAC for the 1st down.
Agree on Hillis. Funniest commentary on this is coming from Dan Wolf who is lamenting that we used Hillis too much instead of going with Obie!!!
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
OB played well again.
My problem is that when we have Hillis and its 2nd and 3, just run 2 plays to Hillis. If he can’t pick up 1.5 yards 2 times in a row then we deserve to punt. Too many other issues to deal with in the passing game.
Agree 100 percent.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
2nd and 3 to me is a down to take a shot. My biggest problem is when we go five wide and an empty backfield on 3rd and 3. We need to make the defense at least act like they have to defend the run.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Agree on the play calling. We gave Little so many opportunities to take over the game and it just happen for him today. A couple more balls caught by him and so much changes. Good thing that is a correctable mistake.
I ask this in all seriousness – is it correctable? I can’t think of a lot of guys who have went from having bad hands to consistently good hands.
i think there is a certain amount of technique that can be improved, but if you have trouble catching the ball i have a hard time seeing how it gets a lot better. unless you move to defense.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
It can get a little better, but it’s going to take a ton of reps with a jugs machine.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
it’s not like we should have been surprised that benson was going to be heavily involved in their offense, either. he torched us last time. i do think it goes to show you, though, how having 1 good wr and 1 good rb can change the complexion of an entire offense. you can’t sell out to stop benson b/c you have to worry about aj. i’ve long been a proponent of waiting to acquire a wr until you have a lot of other pieces in place, but it’s officially time. you have to have someone on offense whom the opponent fears.
on colt … i see some glimpses, and he’s certainly been victimized by drops, but he’s just not going to get there. he’s improved his accuracy over the last several games, which is great, but he’s still very subtly and importantly inaccurate. balls on a wr’s back hip as opposed to front. balls a little high as opposed to in the numbers. still not getting the ball out quickly enough. there are little things that he does time after time after time that are the difference b/w him being really good and him being not-quite-good-enough. unfortunately, i just don’t ever see him getting past not-quite-good-enough.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
cause everything Goldhammer, Bentley, and Fedor say is gospel. that station is full of more trolls than the 2nd half game thread.
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we have trolls?? do they have pretty hair??
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing is wrong with that at all.
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 28, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Tell me – who is Cribbs ctiticizing?
that’s a good question. You seem to be the one implying this whole time that he is calling someone out. If you think that, who isn’t. You don’t even know? Shocker.
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Tell me – who is Cribbs ctiticizing?
that’s a good question. You seem to be the one implying this whole time that he is calling someone out. If you think that, who isn’t. You don’t even know? Shocker.
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Tell me – who is Cribbs ctiticizing?
that’s a good question. You seem to be the one implying this whole time that he is calling someone out. If you think that, who isn’t. You don’t even know? Shocker.
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by Vezoma on Nov 27, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So close.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
combo breaker!
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But it makes for entertaining radio. And entertaining game threads.
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I’d disagree with both, especially the radio. I don’t find guys like Fedor and Goldhammer taking ridiculous opinions “entertaining”. nor do I find people getting paid to be condescending to anyone who disagrees “entertaining”.
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The worst part is that they take the same “story” and just keep repeating it and repeating it. Seriously media people, can’t you find something else to talk about in a 24 hour cycle?
i think what you begin to realize is that 24-hour coverage of ANYTHING (sports, news, congress, shopping…) is inherently shitty.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why they’re on the radio and uh, well boring LGT type discussion isn’t.
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I think that has to do with a lot of the people who listen to stations like 850 religiously aren’t all that intelligent, as evidenced by the fact that maybe on a good day 1 out of every 10 callers seems to have above average intelligence. the stupid people who listen to the radio eat up manufactured controversy.
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seriously. tired of all of the trolling on the radio and on the boards. I don’t want homers, but maybe have somebody that at least LIKES the browns doing a radio show on them. also if you think the browns are that terrible and deserve to go to hell and die…please leave so we can have rational debates and discussions, not “OMG COLY SUX SO BADD!!!” This team has a lot of work to do, no doubt, but damn, people need to chill out.
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by Gabe Durrant on Nov 27, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Rizzo and Brenda love the Browns. I wouldn’t start measuring fan-peen size.
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1. Thought there were a lot of positives today, since a lot of people do nothing but bitch, I figure I should start with them.
2. Jabaal Sheard had a great game. Needs some help on the other side (damn you Jayme Mitchell!!) He is really getting good, and has bounced back from a few poor performances.
3. Jordan Noorwood had another great game. He always gets YAC.
4. Hillis looked good. Too bad Hardesty tightened up in warm-ups, but Obi did a nice job filling in.
5. Liked the play calling for the most part. Handing the ball to Little was cool, and utilized Hillis out of the FB in short yardage was a good wrinkle as well. Liked how we attacked deep early on.
6. Usama Young looks much more comfortable playing for Ward than playing the FS position. Hagg wasn’t terrible, the TD to Gresham was just a great play by a talented kid. It happens.
7. Dimitri Patterson was AWESOME on punt coverage today. One of the best performances I have ever seen from a gunner.
Now to the not-so-greats
8. Colt played well in the first half, but I think the pass rush gets to him waaaay to much. I think our line struggled at times late today (especially you Luavo!) and he rushes his throws, hence we throw underneath a TON.
9. Not that I blame him, the kid has taken some massive shots.
10. Joe Haden took some gambles and lost. He will bounce back. Green vs. Haden is going to be awesome for soo many years.
11. Little’s drops. Some of them were too high or behind him, but he has to make those catches. At this point, a game like today could be helpful. He knows he needs to work on it. If he’s going to be the kind of WR I think he will be, he bounces back. Rookies have days like today (for example Julio Jones had a pass go right through his arms after he committed offensive PI today). He’s gonna bounce back.
12. For anyone who bitched about Shurmur’s playcalling in the St. Louis game, the Bengals did almost the exact same thing at the end of today’s game. Their kicker just made the kick. No one seems to mind.
13. Pontibrand? Not you. You were one of our two constants. Up is down. Cat is dog. Pontibrand bad snap.
14. I mentioned it earlier, but we may need to replace 3/5ths of this line. Good thing we have extra picks.
15. Go Browns.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 6:29 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Agree with everything you just wrote.
Particularly good point about Bengals play-calling at the end.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Something I noticed on EVERY SINGLE PRE SNAP.
Lauvao smacked his thigh and reset MILLISECONDS before every snap.
Unless it’s something he’s being asked to do (screen for blitzes and relay it to McCoy), he needs to quit. He’s going to mess up and hitch too late and get a false start.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think he was keeping an eye on McCoy and letting Mack know when he was ready for the snap.
But I agree, it gives the defense a heads up on the snap count.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
That’s something I haden’t even thought of. No wonder we started slipping in the second half
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
several teams do this. have the guard look for the silent count (foot stamp) from the qb and tap the center … let the center focus on reading the defense and setting the blocking.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t someone (I can’t remember who, but I think from the Raiders) who said someone on the OL was giving away the snap count? Am I delusional? Is this what/who it is? If so, I’d guess that he’s being asked to do so. Oy.
No, WR’s have days where they drop more passes than they catch, no matter if they’re rookies or not.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Nov 27, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Great post. point 14 – Hopefully Steinbach returns and actually Pinkston has been playing really well the last few games. If Pashos wasn’t made out of glass I would keep him as well.
I feel bad for a little bad for Little. Gets his first TD but also probably his worst game in terms of drops and they seem to come at the worst time. Despite his college stuff he seems like a kid who really takes this stuff to heart, hopefully he’ll use it to get better and not turn into a BE headcase.
I would not be surprised if cut Steinbach after this season- or at the very least move him to the R. Pinkston is playing good at LG and should keep improving. playing between JT and Mack must help. But Steinbach is on for 7 mil, and thats too much for a back-up in his 30s.
It’s possible we could rework his deal, add some years, move some money.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Steinbach could play on the right, or Pinkston could.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with much of this as well. But, if you look at the Bengals season so far
Every game has been decided in the last 3 minutes. We have consistently played poorly in the first half only to come back to either win or make it close. That is IMO because of our ability to constantly rotate quality players on the DL. Everyone rotates them but whit us there is no appreciable dropoff. By the 4th quarter the DL is still fresh and the opp Oline plays twice as many snaps and they just get worn out. The second half is always out best half. Your team played a very good game overall. You just don’t have WRS for Colt to throw to. Fix that in the next draft and maybe bring in a G to replace Steinbach and you will win games like this more often than not.
Guys, I don’t blame you for not being happy but from an outside perspective I will tell you thaat you are closer than many think and I expect you to be very good for a long time beginning next year. Keep you heads up and stay positive. You have a good future IMO.
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Bengals are not as good as you hope right now. It will show. They are better than expected from the beginning of the year. and it looks like they have a good quarterback and a Budding big time receiver. SO they should be excited but you are not even close to being there yet.
Are you taking time out from crapping on our team to crap on the one that beat us?
I almost forgot Colt sucked and we only had 87 yards of offense.
by HenryDawg on Nov 28, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s on the staff to find a way to get Cribbs involved more when he isn’t getting in the open field in the return game. That’s my only complaint that the staff can control about today’s offensive performance.
Sometimes there’s no reason to force it. If Cinci identified Cribbs as a threat and rolled their coverage to him then you counter by going to other targets, which we did brilliantly, e.g. Little was wide open all the time and targeted a lot. But when they don’t complete the play it pretty much plays into their game plan.
The Bengals left the browns 30 seconds and no TOs to go down field to set up a GT FG. The Browns on the other hand were leaving STL 2+ min and a TO AND only a 2 point lead to where a FG would have won it instead of just push OT. Good try, but your wrong.
should haden have let green score to save us some time? i realize it ups the degree of difficulty (td vs. fg), but just a question. not criticizing haden for shoving green out of bounds by any stretch.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
we were discussing this at my house for a while. over a minute, 3 TOs and 7 points down. not insurmountable.
Also, I had andy dalton and AJ green on my fantasy team…
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by Gabe Durrant on Nov 28, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Having Dawson as a kicker I think you would want to hold them to a FG and try to tie them with less time than trying to score a TD with more.
good point. but having those 3 timeouts when you have the ball is a pretty big deal.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
It lets you throw to the middle of the field but we would have dropped there too.
by HenryDawg on Nov 28, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with everything except 12. That could not be more wrong, the situations are totally different. First of all the game was tied, they weren’t trailing, so if they kick their field goal a cleveland field goal only results in over-time, not a loss.
The more important difference is time. In the rams game the kick was attempted with over two minutes left. That’s plenty of time to get in field goal range. The Bengals attempted their kick with 38 seconds left, meaning after the ensuing kickoff there was about 30 second remaining. Totally different situations.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Either way the kick gives them the lead that can be surpassed/tied with a FG.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
The difference between surpassed and tied is huge, it makes the situation completely different, especially once the minute and a half time difference is taken into account.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Newsflash to people:
Sometimes, great NFL cornerbacks have bad games (Joe Haden today), and even their bad games aren’t that bad.
Good NFL cornerbacks are always going to get beat sometimes by good WRs; it’s a tough job (see Sheldon Brown).
CBs are not an issue where we need an immediate upgrade. Far from it.
Just my two cents.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 6:33 PM EST reply actions
Totally agree. The offensive guys get paid too. Plus, AJ Green isn’t too shabby.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
They get paid, and the rulebook is written in their favor. I am sick fo hearing, particularly, that Sheldon Brown is somehow over the hill because he gets beat by good WRs sometimes. He is still a very good starting CB, in the top half of the league by far. A starting CB in the NFL is probably the hardest job in the league (except QB). No one is close to perfect, with the possible exception of Revis, who really is incredible.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and even Revis can have his bad games and he is really incredible. for some reason Stevie Johnson has 11 catches and 159 yards against Revis this year.
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what does this have to do with anything we are talking about?
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Scratches head – trying to recall… I think it was around EIGHTY SEVEN or so (?)
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
If Colt didn’t suck so damn bad we would have got 231.
by Brownie's Year on Nov 28, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
At least.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Haden has had about 4 bad games
by The Licensed Pessimist on Nov 27, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll humor you… what do you propose the Browns do about their CB situation if what you say is true?
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Isn’t there enough bad shit about this franchise for you, or do you really need to make up things about the truly good players?
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s pretty clear, he plays a role here (it’s in his name). He’s not about to break character, especially on Joe Haden, our best future talent on the team.
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I can understand pessimism but taking even the slightest shimmering bright spots and taking a dump on them constantly sort of gets old.
That’s what the persona is all about, I’m afraid. Take the best thing we have and find any and every little reason to trash it. We can call him Licensed Opportunist too.
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Make up things, truly good player? Ha!
People are all on Haden’s jock because everyone wants him to be great. The same thing with Little. You guys over-appreciate when he does something good and you turn the other cheek when he sucks, like today
When he shuts down horrible WR’s in horrible offenses, he can shut down everyone!
But when he starts playing against competent offenses and looks like trash, all of a suddenly no one expects him to be perfect/the offensive execution was perfect so it’s not his fault. And calling him out for sucking the last 4 games, giving up big catches and TD’s is “finding every little reason” according to Simms. Sound like people over at milehigh defending tebow
by The Licensed Pessimist on Nov 27, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
First of all there’s probably 500 comments about Little’s drops so nobody is turning the other cheek. Most of us blame him for the loss.
As far as Haden, you act like he was completely blown up today. They got 2 good completions on him the whole game. He’s a second year player (playing only half of last year) so he’ll have a mistake from time to time. Correct me if I’m wrong but Revis didn’t have an island until his 4th year. Why not give us a fucking break? Do you know how simpleminded it is to find faults in people and what they do? Any fucking moron can criticize someone or something for making mistakes. Do you know why? It’s because no matter how fucking perfect you are there will always be room for improvement. There is no such thing as the perfect novel, the perfect movie or the perfect football player. As far as I’m concerned I would much rather look at Haden’s whole body of work and expect that our team be able to overcome the 2 plays out of 100 in the game that he wasn’t perfect.
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There is no such thing as the perfect novel, the perfect movie or the perfect football player.
There are, however, perfect pancakes. Enjoy them.
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by Dawg Nuts on Nov 27, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll give you a couple. I would say 4 is a stretch but in recent weeks he hasn’t been as good as he was before his injury.
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I’ll give you a couple. I would say 4 is a stretch but in recent weeks he hasn’t been as good as he was before his injury.
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He didn’t do well against Brandon Lloyd the first drive of the St. Louis game, but I thought he picked up his game and really clamped down on him for the rest of the game. I don’t remember him playing badly last week.
Green beat him bad on one play this week. I thought that big reception at the end of the game was due more to Haden running into another WR and CB and A.J. Green making an incredible catch. That ball was thrown high and desperate, and its those kind of help your QB out, big plays that the Browns have been missing.
A lot of good CBs have had bad days against Green and this is not a trend that will end soon
If we have the chance to show you, you will see that Revis can’t do much if any better. This guy is a freak and we are so lucky to have him. I just hope we can keep him. With him we could have very well beat both Baltimore and Pittsburgh. We will see next week.
Do me a favor. Take care of the Ravens for us. If you continue to play like you did today you definitely have a chance.
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OT: Denver is really dumb as hell not to use a timeout right now. (Just over a minute left and they sack Rivers. 13-13)
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Meh, I would’ve taken it to OT too.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
You’d have been equally as stupid to make that choice.
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They just won the toss. Don’t think so.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ref made an announcing mistake. Someone is bound to correct him.
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I hope no one does.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously, Refs don’t read the rulebook.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
What a douche. Go play euro-ball, guy.
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I love imaginary things too.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Vlade is my dude.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Another great Laker steal in the draft.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
On a related note, the NFL’s video player is complete shit.
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Yes indeedy.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t sit through the entire thing, but I enjoy the novelty.
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I normally nap during the Charger games. But I couldn’t fall asleep.
by Brownie's Year on Nov 27, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoy overtime. I probably wouldn’t have enjoyed the whole game.
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It would have been even cooler had they played college (playoff) overtime.
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It would be cooler if this crap would end in a tie.
by Brownie's Year on Nov 27, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
That would be funny. But I want Ryan Matthews to break a 30+ yard TD.
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as long as its not gates
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by Gabe Durrant on Nov 27, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
i still remeber when he played at dublin coffman in high school and everyone thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bologna
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by findlaybrownslover on Nov 27, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Says the guy who told me to shove it on Tolbert stealing Peyton’s.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
No I didn’t. I was making fun of Hillis.
by Brownie's Year on Nov 27, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
No, you did. You pulled the who cares crap on me.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
I said “Who cares? Hillis doesn’t even use his”.
by Brownie's Year on Nov 27, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares, Von Miller doesn’t even need his to kick your ass.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Exhibit B from today in why when you get to the 35 how just running it 3 straight times for no yards hardly ever works.
I don’t think we ran it 3 times form the 35. But don’t let reality get in the way here.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Can he unzip as well?
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t want either of them. But if I had to choose our offense or Denver’s…
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0-0 is like
What is it really? Go ahead and try it, I dear you…
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by Simmsinns on Nov 28, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
5 but that’s okay. I blame America.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
The fans don’t want him here anyways.
by Brownie's Year on Nov 27, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Who will call out Shurmur? Colt or Mass. Both probably have a bone to pick. Maybe Thomas?
Rewatching the game, Shurmur never changes up in the 2nd half. That was a BIG reason why the OL was getting blown up more, Colt got nervous and Browns fan got mad. They knew every play. They also knew Little couldn’t catch and pretty much left him alone. But we kept him in and still ran those plays.
Shurmur has got problems. Big problems. A player rebellion wouldn’t surprise me from a coach so inept.
Any evidence of this? Or are you just looking to get a rise out of people.
In case you didn’t notice, we already have one of those guys.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Read the insider at scout. It is not pretty. Shumur and the gang(especially Colt) have problems with each other.
by Johnnypronto on Nov 27, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
If one source in one place says it, it’s more than true. Obvi
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by troy145 on Nov 27, 2011 9:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Good point. Will be stabbing people in their eyes after some quick homework.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
So you’re playing more Skyrim after pretending to do your homework?
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No, gonna hit up some H:CE/ Reach multiplayer.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Shut up Beavis.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Stanford’s flat-black on the helmets last night was way better than the Steeler’s flat-black.
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I couldn’t get used to their unis last night. But they were ok, I guess.
When did the Steelers try flat-black?
by Brownie's Year on Nov 27, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Damn it, I can’t find a picture, but it was part of some alternate not to many year ago.
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What about the puke yellow lids?
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’m real tired of watching Tony Pashos try to block. He’s giving St.Clair a run for his money in my mind. The guy looks like he’s blocking ghosts out there.
Joe Haden will bounce back. He’s gonna get some plays made on him… his job is to defend the opposing teams’ best receiver every play, each week.
I have a bad feeling the Ravens are going to work this team. But, oh well.
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He’s giving St.Clair a run for his money in my mind.
This is false.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 27, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not true or false, it’s an opinion. I don’t agree that he has played “solid”. Average, maybe.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
I’m just going by what I see. The metric will tell you that the RT can’t run block at all and is a decent pass blocker. Not good enough when your position could be considered a “skill” position with how much it demands. And when he gets beat it’s usually in ugly, most untimely fashion.
He and Lauvao are part of the reason the quarterback is hit so frequently.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
The metric will tell you that the RT can’t run block at all and is a decent pass blocker.
What metric?
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by notthatnoise on Nov 28, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
By any measure, Pashos is not part of the future for this team.
"That’s the reality of it and I live in that reality." Shurmur
Pashos will likely be cut or used as a backup next year, but the reasons are age and health, not quality of play.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s agree to disagree. Throughout the game he blew several key assignments, resulting in McCoy being hit or having to rush a throw, etc. Lauvao was just as bad. Those two were just pushed around all game.
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isn’t it time for us to unleash the kraken and just let Joe Thomas play all 11 offensive positions?
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 28, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Polamalu just got a concussion. How much do you want to bet it’s called a “neck issue” or something like that and the Steelers put him back in?
Very likely. Then he’ll die and the NFL will do nothing and consider it an accident blah blah.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I liked it.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Except that I liked it.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Because AJ Smith and Norv Turner do not deserve success. And because I have this weird sensation that I want Tebow to ride this gravy train to an awful demise.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
AJ Smith is an Arse and I just don’t like Norv Turner.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Coors Light ruined a perfectly good meme.
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Nope. I find their commercials very funny.
Much better than Miller’s crapshoot.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong. It’s ruined. Arseholes. Miller’s commercial are definitely awful.
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Nah, the mini coach thing is pretty funny.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Consider the following: SB said “Grown Ups” was going to be hilarious.
That’s his sense of humor. To each his own, I guess.
By the way, SB, based on your taste, I’ve got fine piece of cinema to suggest you see: it’s called Jack and Jill. Surely you’ll love it.
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by Simmsinns on Nov 27, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Grown Ups was going to be and was hilarious.
This is just your Johnnypronto/ TLP attitude on movies because your head is stuck so far up your ass with tv and movies.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
You just make shit up when people disagree you. Talk about TLP-like.
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Nope. When someone brings up their own opinions on tv and movies, you get all pissy in your britches.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Still making stuff up, I see. Stick to your guns.
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All the proof I need is up above. You just commenting “making stuff up because I have no answer because I’m all pissy in my britches” is doing nothing for you.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
All the proof
It’s all there in the OT: movie / tv threads.
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Yeah. Every opinion I have is shot down by you.
Consider the following: SB said "Grown Ups" was going to be hilarious.
By the way, SB, based on your taste, I’ve got fine piece of cinema to suggest you see: it’s called Jack and Jill. Surely you’ll love it.
It’s an asshat move just because I think the Coors Light commercials are funny.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
I was offering some perspective. And I prefaced the suggestion with this:
To each his own, I guess.
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That was a weak indication that you were attempting to make it look like you weren’t a douchecanoe. Yet, you were being a douchecanoe.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
I was about to say, did SB just not read that part? I think that’s kinda important. You think his movie tastes suck, but movie tastes are subjective.
A movie critic I like gave a good grade to “The Descendants”. I saw it thursday and it was long and slow and didn’t deserve a B/B+. This is just an example of how movie tastes are always different.
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Good band though.
Long and slow isn’t a fair way to judge the critic’s evaluation. You can say you were bored because it was long and slow, but you can’t comment on the artistry of the film based on that. Often times I hate long slow movies but I try not judge them artistically on that basis just because I didn’t want to sit through it. In a different frame of mind, you may have found more reasons for its high grade. Like all art and literature, objectivity is hard to impossible given that its hard to separate our immediate self from the work being observed. Unlike a great book which can be absorbed over a period of time, a movie only exists in a fixed period of time and you have to consider your feelings at that time into your review.
I found it long and slow, but that wasn’t the critic. It wasn’t a bad movie and was definitely well done and had great acting (definite oscar bait for clooney imo).
Like all art and literature, objectivity is hard to impossible
I’d say that objectivity is hard to impossible in most art, literature, and the like. I’d even say that you can’t even objectively measure a great book because your reading off it also is influenced by the place in life you are (i.e. I liked Catcher in the Rye better back when I was in my teens) and the types of books you like, especially at the time.
Also, there really is no objective measure for any of this.
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Exactly, which is why the critics job is so difficult (and also why its usually scorned).
I’ve read Catcher I think 4 times in my life at various times and it was completely different every time I read it. Love that book. It’s been about 20 years now, I think I will read it again and see what it feels like now.
Grownups was terrible and this is from someone who tries constantly to convince Mrs. HD that these types of movies have redeeming value.
by HenryDawg on Nov 27, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mrs. HD
This took me two minutes to figure out, followed by two minutes of laughter.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 28, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I still can’t believe Jack and Jill is a real movie.
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most commercials suck in general, now. I think the allstate mayhem commercials are decent
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by Gabe Durrant on Nov 27, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
The blind spot on is the best.
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by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 27, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
GPS one is right behind it.
TURN RIGHT NOW!
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. At first I didn’t think raccoon could be outdone… I was wrong.
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I was wrong.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Why are things so heavy? Is there something wrong with the earth’s gravitational pull?
by kevin122380 on Nov 27, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
which meme?
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oh, that one…
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Is that Ed?
I say this because the shirt isn’t nipple tight and there isn’t coco butter seeming from his sleeves.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Shat’s body language is excellent in the presser.
He looks exasperated with his shitty team.
Shat?
Let’s be a big boy and use big boy words and names.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 27, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
According to McCoy’s presser he was trying to throw it away on the interception, but the massive hit caused it go awry. He needs to make that decision a little earlier, but (if you believe him) its nice to know he was trying to make the right choice.
That’s odd because if he had thrown it 10 yards deeper he would have had a nice completion to little.
I thought that where he was trying to go as well, but he did get crushed. He said basically that he was going out of bounds. Got crushed and didn’t know what had happened for a few seconds.
by BiggieBrown on Nov 27, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
yeah that’s pretty bad.
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by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Collinsworth was all over Bowe. It looked like a horrible effort by Bowe, but I think Bowe must have thought the throw was to someone behind him because of the way he pulled his arms down.
I thought Palko was upset mainly b/c Bowe gave the hand sign that he was going deep and then cut his route short.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Well, Im glad…b/c Bowe was the only guy my opponent had left in fantasy and I was clinging to a smallish lead…of course, the last quarter was inevitably “Palko to Bowe… Palko to Bowe… Palko looking for Bowe…pass complete to Bowe…”
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Off Subject a little, but hey after this I am looking at next year already. Any idea what divisions we play next year?
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Something keeps playing over and over in my head again and it frustrates the hell out of me. I keep imagining the Browns have A.J. Green and the Bengals have Greg Little instead of the other way around. I keep replaying yesterday’s game with the two players swapped. Until now I’ve mostly been a moderate beer drinker but I’m thinking of switching to something a bit more potent. Can anyone suggest a good scotch, or another good liquor? I need something to help put a stop to this nightmare.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions
I’m partial to aquavit. It’s the only liquor I can drink, but I suppose it’s an acquired taste. Think caraway-infused vodka. Any well-stocked liquor store will likely have Aalborg (the big Danish distillery) aquavit. Keep your bottle in the freezer, though and drink it ice cold with a beer chaser. Great Lakes Xmas Ale is a good chase. At any rate, use a good quality microbrew.
That said, I only drink coffee during Browns games. Our team is such that – for me – alcohol and Browns do not mix…
by mister serious on Nov 28, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
A good scotch is too expensive for Browns games. I just work on a liter of cheap vodka. It works the same.
But if you’re loaded or have self control, Lagavulin is an excellent Scotch. There are different types of single malts from Highland to Speyside and all sorts of flavors that develop depending on where its grown, the sherry cask used to age it, etc. Better to just try lots of different ones until you find a flavor you enjoy.
Thanks guys for the great suggestions. My plan is to buy a bottle of each of the selections you’ve all recommended, and have a shot of each – one per quarter, the next time my nightmare starts up again (or next Sunday, whichever comes first).
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think you can buy them in pints or maybe even half pints for sampling.
If you’re ever in Columbus check out Wings in Bexley. Its a Chinese restaurant but has a world class scotch collection and they will even serve them in flights.
Will do, thanks.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 28, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
The Lagavulin is too smoky for my tastes. It’s like chewing on a charcoal brick. I am impressed with your scotch sense though.
I would not waste good booze on the Browns. I’ll buy good liquor when they sign some big name free agents. You’ve got a deal, Lerner.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Nov 28, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
So the people in Philly were chanting for Reid to get fired. I really really hope they do.
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I saw that. If he gets fired, he’s our OC next year and our HC the year after. Called it.
by chitown browns fan on Nov 29, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
You really think Reid would take the OC job here?
I think he’ll be in San Diego if they get rid of him.
The likelihood he’d take any OC job over a HC job is slim, but if he were to consider one, I’d hope it’d be ours.
by chitown browns fan on Nov 30, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
The other place I could see him is Indy. I can barely remember the name of their current coach but he is a wasted salary. Lose one player and you can’t even get a single win? Terrible.
I’d love to see Manning get the MVP this year.
by chitown browns fan on Nov 30, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
there is zero chance that andy reid is an OC anywhere next year, or any year.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 30, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
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