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Turning Point Held Back by Bengals' Late Surge to 23-20 Win over Browns

CINCINNATI, OH - NOVEMBER 27:  A.J. Green #18 of the Cincinnati Bengals is congratulated by fans in the end zone after catching a pass for a first down against the Cleveland Browns at Paul Brown Stadium on November 27, 2011 in Cincinnati, Ohio.  (Photo by Tyler Barrick/Getty Images)

This might just be the Bengals' season. Time and time again, rookie quarterback Andy Dalton has led the Bengals down the field with assistance from outstanding receivers like tight end Jermaine Gresham and wide receiver A.J. Green. Maybe there is some truth in the fact that the lack of a "star" receiver is holding the Browns back. Cleveland had the same opportunity to do what Cincinnati did. They had Gresham and Green, and we had Greg Little. I think we know how that one turned out. In what could have been a turning point for the Browns' season record-wise, they couldn't close out the game. Let's get to the full review of the game...

CLEVELAND BROWNS (4-7) GAME #11 CINCINNATI BENGALS (7-4)
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WEEK 12 - CLEVELAND BROWNS VS. CINCINNATI BENGALS (COMPLETE GAME REVIEW)

  1. Goat of the Week: WR Greg Little - In a game where Little had his first career touchdown reception, you would have hoped it was a day Little could be proud of. Instead, his touchdown reception was overshadowed by four dropped passes. Our offense can't afford to have that many drops. In a game where the Browns were trying to put a dagger in the Bengals, Little prevented that from happening. Hopefully he can find some redemption against Baltimore and Pittsburgh in four of the next five games.

  2. Awarding Game Balls: WR Jordan Norwood - For the second week in a row, I am giving Norwood the game ball. He also had his first career touchdown reception, and it was a game for him to remember. The Browns had not had a first quarter touchdown all season long, but Norwood and Colt McCoy put an end to that. First, McCoy connected with a wide open Norwood (who had beat Nate Clements) down the right sideline.

    The pass was angling Norwood out of bounds, so he couldn't get yards after the catch. He beat Clements again though a few plays later on a perfect strike for 24 yards. On 2nd-and-6 with only a few seconds left in the first half, McCoy hit Norwood for seven yards over the middle. Norwood took a big shot, but for being a little guy, he held on to the football. That set up Little's touchdown two plays later.

  3. Shurmur's Playcalling: At first, I was a little frustrated by Pat Shurmur's playcalling at around the time when the fourth quarter started. The offense seemed to be less aggressive than it was in the first half. After having time to cool down though, I changed my tune. With the lead, we did a good job of staying committed to running back Peyton Hillis. We mixed in some nice passes to our receivers, but they dropped passes to prevent the drives from continuing. Even if you extend one of those drives with a catch, it could've changed the outcome of the game.

  4. Return for Hillis: With Montario Hardesty sitting out due to his calf injury acting up, Peyton Hillis received a much bigger workload than anticipated. His final average (3.4 yards per carry) is what I would've expected, but what I liked to see was his tough runs that helped set up better situations for us on second- or third downs. It is not a coincidence that our offense scored a first quarter touchdown as soon as Hillis returned. Hillis set our offense up well in the second half too.

  5. Sudden Dropoff for Ogbonnaya: This is not a complaint, but rather a wondering observation. Like Shurmur did at the beginning of the season, he played the backup running back, Chris Ogbonnaya, on the second offensive series of the game. Ogbonnaya had some good runs for 11 yards, 4 yards, and 1 yard. What Shurmur did differently, which I liked, was that he still had Hillis play during the drive, as he also had three carries in that series. Why didn't Ogbonnaya have any other carries the rest of the game though? It just seemed like the mix was working pretty well, and with Hillis just coming back, I'm surprised we didn't go back to it.

  6. Sheard is a Beast: I already mentioned this in my Top 5 Defensive Plays post, but Jabaal Sheard continues to be a beast at defensive end. Just before the end of the first half, he forced a sack+fumble on Andy Dalton that was recovered by Scott Paxson. That led directly to seven Cleveland points. Sheard finished the game with four tackles.

  7. McCoy Taking Chances: It is becoming a recurring trend that Colt McCoy will have one screw up play during the game. The Browns had just yielded a touchdown to the Bengals near the end of the third quarter, cutting their lead to 20-17. On the final two plays of the third quarter, Hillis ran twice and picked up a first down for the Browns. It felt great to have our bruising runner back in the lineup for a situation just like this. And then, on the first play of the fourth quarter, on a 1st-and-10, McCoy rolled out to the right sideline and inexplicably threw a pass toward Greg Little down the right sideline.

    The problem was that a defender was about to hit McCoy as he threw it, and even if McCoy got a clean throw off, the play was well covered. That was zero need to take a risk there. The Bengals intercepted it and took over at midfield. It only led to a field goal, but that was the game-tying score. This could have been McCoy pressing out of frustration that he didn't get help from Little earlier and tried to make up for it with a big play. He has got to keep a stronger mental mindset and just throw the ball away on a first-down play.

  8. Green Gets an Upper Hand: The Bengals used receiver A.J. Green wisely against the Browns. I'm not sure if it was scripted this way or not, but they basically kept Green out of the gameplan for most of the game. He was only targeted four times, but when they did throw the ball his way, he used his height and athleticism to go up in the air and make a play on the football. It sucks that we're going to have to defend this guy in the division for years to come. I look forward to more battles between he and Joe Haden, because Haden is his best competition in the division.

  9. Cribbs is No Longer Effective on Returns: I might make a separate post about this, but we can't really claim that Joshua Cribbs is very effective on returns at this point. Teams are no longer kicking the ball away from him. On kickoffs, he might fight through one defender to gain an extra tough yard or two, but what happened to the days where it was a given that he would evade three guys on every return and get the ball out to the 40? I've been especially disappointed on punts, where he often seems to try to cut to the sideline rather than running straight up the field and making some quick moves like he used to do. I also think the blocking on special teams has to have taken a step back, but it's just disappointing to see guys like Devin Hester and Patrick Peterson making an impact while Cribbs is not.

  10. Hagg Sees Extended Action: I'm not sure why they Browns decided to line up Eric Hagg in coverage more often against the Bengals than they had in previous weeks. He was often responsible for guarding Gresham, who had a big day with 5 catches for 68 yards and 1 touchdown. It's not that I thought Hagg was terrible, but Gresham had the size advantage. Hagg did have one nice breakup late in the game.

  11. Punt or Field Goal: In the fourth quarter, the Browns were faced with a 55-yard field goal. If they make it, they are in good position to win the game. If they miss it, the Bengals don't have to do much to be in field goal range. The Browns were going against the wind, so it would've been a tough kick. We also had all three timeouts. Do you kick the field goal, or pin the Bengals back with a punt?

    In hindsight, a punt would've been nice, and is also might have saved Ryan Pontbriand's job. In 12 previous seasons with the Browns, the most 50+ yarders Dawson had made in one season was 3 field goals. Prior to the kick, Dawson was an unbelievable 7-of-7 on 50+ yarders, including a 54-yard field goal earlier in the game. Pat Shurmur probably relied on those odds to go for the kick. It's a tough decision to make as a coach. If the snap was good, I think Dawson still makes it. Dawson would not go for the kick if he wasn't hitting them in pregame warmups.

  12. Special Teams Tackles: The Browns had five special teams tackles and four assists. Cornerback Dimitri Patterson had two tackles. S Usama Young, LB Titus Brown, and TE Alex Smith each had one tackle. WR Joshua Cribbs had two assists, and Young and CB James Dockery each had one assist. I'd like to single out Patterson, who was outstanding on special teams.

  13. Brownies: I think McCoy continues to struggle on when to check down to his running backs...Hillis was thrown to twice for -4 yards...Mohamed Massaquoi was targeted three times but did not have a reception...linebacker D'Qwell Jackson led the team with 9 tackles...defensive tackle Ahtyba Rubin had two quarterback hits on Dalton...linebacker Titus Brown notched a sack...the Browns were an acceptable 6-of-15 on 3rd down conversions...Colt McCoy had an awesome scramble on 3rd-and-long that had to get you pumped up.

Up next, the Browns take on the Baltimore Ravens at home. Many consider the Ravens to be the best team in the AFC, and they are coming off a big win with extended rest against the 49ers. Hopefully Cleveland can challenge them and come away with an upset win.

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We should beat up Little this year – cause next year he will be salty. He is obviously so raw that it will be difficult for him to be consistently good. Still, humbly he is our best WR threat. It is obviuos that a WR like Green is our number 1 draft priority. (Maybe Blackmonfits bill?) Every week you see these guys just go up and get the ball. Stafford throws into the teeth of triple coverage – Johnson TD. Dalton throws it up to Greshman or Green – no prob – they come down with it.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Any thoughts that Cribbs kick returns might also be down because of the loss of Seely? Sometimes effective return games are a huge benefactor of scheme.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 30, 2011 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

I agree. It doesn’t seem like he’s getting as effective blocking as he did in years past.

"Tracers work both ways" ~US Army Ordnance

by roar888 on Nov 30, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, and I am not quick to blame the new kickoff rules, because kick returns haven’t changed much in terms of yardage and TDs.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I noticed the same, and quite honestly that was a pleasant surprise for me.

"Tracers work both ways" ~US Army Ordnance

by roar888 on Nov 30, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I would add a third factor: different ST personnel. I’m sure that plays into the blocking, but it seemed to me that blocking on returns was pretty ineffective last year as well when Cribbs had coverage guys on him as soon as the ball got there.

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
I have the best wife - ever.

by JustBob on Nov 30, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

this was the first thing that i thought of when chris raised the point (which is a good point). loss of seely, loss of schemes, loss of return effectiveness. makes more sense than cribbs suddenly turning into a bad receiver.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 30, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Seely is a big part of it but I also think Cribbs was effective because he picked a hole and ran at it. He’s hesitating now, looking for the big TD return when he should be happy to get it to the 30-40 and if he breaks it then so be it.

by HenryDawg on Nov 30, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that plays a role, but Cribbs is no longer the game breaker he used to be.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 30, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing his skill set changed that much.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 1, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Ehhh, my thought too. He looks tentative on the catch.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Dec 1, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Cribbs has more TDs and yards than last season.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 1, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

As a receiver he’s having his best year.

by HenryDawg on Dec 1, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This is basically why I question that he is not able to return kicks the same. I see a player that is still fine as an athlete. I either attribute it to rule changes, a change in coordinator, or the fact that we released some of our special teams aces like Costanzo, Sorensen, and Trusnick.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 1, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure what games you’re watching, but when I see Cribbs take the kick 20 yards deep in the end zone I see no tentativeness in his charge.

Mangini apologist by default.

I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.

by Villeslgr on Dec 1, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope but it was a touch of hyperbole. Kind of like calling the CFL professional football.

Mangini apologist by default.

I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.

by Villeslgr on Dec 1, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Hyper Bowl!

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
I have the best wife - ever.

by JustBob on Dec 1, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO, Cribbs is looking slower than in the past. He looks bigger and more physical, but the returns seem to be lacking any pop. He seems less shifty and more robotic

by SBP on Dec 1, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This game could not have turned out better. We played MUCH better (besides little) AND lost, improving our draft pick.

by macdowellm03 on Nov 30, 2011 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

True, but there’s just that great feeling of beating a team you hate that just seems to be missing right now…

"Tracers work both ways" ~US Army Ordnance

by roar888 on Nov 30, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you rather beat them once now, or twice next year?

by macdowellm03 on Nov 30, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

False dichotomy. I would rather beat them every single time. Same with the [redacted] Steelers and the [redacted] Ravens.

by woodsmeister on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

PIC- That lady in the Browns hat looks a bit too happy.

by Brownie's Year on Nov 30, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

They just caught her as she was letting her hands down to point at him after flipping the bird at him.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 30, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Double bird to double point. I can see that.

by Brownie's Year on Nov 30, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, plus the guy with the ballcap right behind her to her left – pissed him off royally. Lady’s got guts.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 30, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Her boyfriend is scared of getting jumped. He’s never taking her to a game again.

by Brownie's Year on Nov 30, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Predictions this week?

by champion64 on Nov 30, 2011 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

I will start, I think Ravens 24 – Browns 10

by champion64 on Nov 30, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

13-10 Browns.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 30, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

do you think we will be able to stop Rice?

by champion64 on Nov 30, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Pass the Kool-Aid. 20-16 browns.

by HenryDawg on Nov 30, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m gonna be the crazy one and say Browns 20 – Ravens 17. The Ravens have played terrible against weaker opponents this year. We come out pissed that we spoiled the fact that we played well enough to win last week and we punch ’em in the mouth.

The key to better sleep: Doing what's right. Of course a Browns win never hurts either.

by Browns town on Nov 30, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be happier than hell if we could score 21 or more. I would take 20 also.

by champion64 on Nov 30, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to this game, so I vote for a final score of Browns 52 Ravens 3.

Dawgs By Nature: Holy Joe Thomas we suck

by Adrock2099 on Nov 30, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Well if recs help this come true, then you have mine.

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
I have the best wife - ever.

by JustBob on Nov 30, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

11-5

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 30, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If we do whatever the Seahawks and Jaguars did then we win!

by SBP on Dec 1, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Gonna go with browns 17-10. Ravens miss Ray Lewis again and we get a ground game going. Ray Rice struggles in the cold and has two fumbles.

Calvin - "I wonder where we go when we die?"
Hobbes - "...Pittsburgh?"
Calvin - "You mean if we're good or if we're bad?"

by BigDawgGottaEat on Nov 30, 2011 5:25 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Ravens actually have NOT been running the ball well this year.

by champion64 on Nov 30, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

No they are not. They are averaging 98.9 yards per game rushing the ball which is good for 26th place rushing, Where are you getting your facts?? And I love all the recs just to be jerks. Did anyone check the stats? The ravens are not running the ball great this year.

That is the problem with this board, There are so many here ready to jump all over someone with statements that are not true. Just pile on. So did any of you check the stats?? The Ravens rank 26th in the NFL rushing.

They rank 3rd in rushing defense.

The stats say a lot , just because we want things not to be bad doesn’t mean they aren’t. Of course no one will agree with the fact I am right, but I dont care.

Nice post Grady, next time check the facts please.

by champion64 on Dec 1, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

the problem with this board, There are so many here ready to jump all over someone

Words of advice: Develop a thick skin, don’t take anything personally. Stick to your guns with calm cool responses. Answer sarcasm and hostility with zen-like dispassionate logic and small concessions on sticking points. You’ll probably find yourself on the receiving end of the recs in the next debate showdown.

Then when someone least expects it… POUNCE! (kidding).

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 1, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. I just think they are so ready to pounce on me. At least you have conviction in your post. I was trying to lead to the fact maybe since they (Ravens) have not been running the ball so well we could stop the run and concentrate on rushing Flacco some. He seems to play much worse under pressure. But like you said, they are so ready to jump on anything I never got to that point.

I hate the Ravens. I dont live too far from Baltimore and when they came to town it was like the old Browns were forgotten and Modell moved on, which I guess was right, but I still hate them.

by champion64 on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Woops, you’re right. I was looking at rushing defense…..stupid NFL.com. You were right.

That being said, people are ready to pounce on you because you doggedly stick to one subject (Colt sucks) and insult anyone that doesn’t agree with you. Personally, I agree with half of what you say, but the other half is so aggressive that I end up rolling my eyes the other half of the time.

I work with some software engineers that are similar; they’re like the Mike Myers SNL computer guy caricature. They’re right more often than not, but they are such &^#$’s about it everyone waits for them to be wrong to POUNCE POUNCE POUNCE.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Most of my point is (that everyone jumps on) is I thought with a good quarterback we could have been a borderline playoff team. Now it is all speculation, and that is what these boards are about. We are all talking out our asses but it is fun to listen to others opinions. Anyway, IMO, I thought with drives against Cincy in games 1 and 2 and a touchdown drive against the Rams or a good snap on the field goal, we could be 7-4 and have a better hand in making the playoffs.

Colt just looks over matched out there and everyone wants to brush it off as he is young, the line sucks , no running attack, the game plan is bland, AND IT COULD BE, ALL OF THAT CAN BE TRUE. I just thought with all that we hoped Colt McCoy to be, he had some real chances to show us he is the QB of the future.

This week was particularly hard. One drive and the game was over. One touchdown drive in the second half and the Bengals would have had to score 3 touchdowns to beat us. It just was particulalry frustrating. Ok maybe I am hard on McCoy, and you all are right we have 5 more games to see what he can do and most probably the beginning of next year, but if you listen to the Coaches and Head Office, they are not declaring McCoy their guy for the future. Jacksonville has declared they will build around Gabbert as has Carolina with Newton and Detroit building around Stafford, and the Rams around Bradford. Carolina never made that claim with Claussen as their quarterback of the future last year, he was thrown in there to see what he could do, I think McCoy is being looked at more like Claussen than he is Newton or Gabbert.

Either way we all hope for the best for the Browns.

by champion64 on Dec 1, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem with them not committing to Colt as the QBotF right now, and I would never argue that they should right now based on what we’ve seen; I will say, however, that he has shown me enough that I think he’s earned next year to determine if we want to stay with him. All this assuming he doesn’t suffer a massive breakdown in the homestretch of the season, of course.

I will not add to the discussion about whether we should take a QB in the first round or which we should take, since I have not seen any of them play enough to form an educated opinion.

"Tracers work both ways" ~US Army Ordnance

by roar888 on Dec 1, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if we draft a QB this year, I think Colt should start next season as starter.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 1, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i think the qb slot needs to be a competition next offseason.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 1, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

qb slot needs to be a competition next offseason

Here’s what I believe is the likely scenario:

1) We draft a QB in April. Which round / who we take depends on assessments made by H&H at the end of the season (how good he looks by the end of this year and how much progression he’s shown).

2) Colt starts next September. After [x] games (1, 2, 3, pick a number),
if the offense is sputtering (or if Colt is not improving), the new guy gets a shot and then the competition begins.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 1, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

If we don’t take a top 15 QB I don’t want him

by HenryDawg on Dec 1, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

for some reason, i’m feeling like these guys aren’t going to draft a qb in the first, but will more likely go the fa route to generate a competition.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 1, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Granted, this is all conjecture, but I agree that unless the FO really loves one of the QBs available this year, they draft for the other positions of need in the first. How great would it be to have Sheard and another stud at RDE? Or an athletic OLB to replace Fujita? Or both.

by chitown browns fan on Dec 1, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m fine with going D in the first (both picks).

We won’t know for a couple months if H&H are thinking of drafting a QB.

by Brownie's Year on Dec 1, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

generally, i’m fine with loading up on defense in the early parts of the draft, especially when you need as much on defense as we do.

but at this stage, we literally have zero players on offense that touch the ball who could be considered “dangerous”. that has to change, and the most likely place to get a dangerous offensive player is high in the first round.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 1, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not gonna complain either way. I’d be excited about some new offensive toys, too, if that’s what Heckert decides to do. But because our d is further along, it’d be satisfying to see it be dominant.

by chitown browns fan on Dec 1, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Jason Campbell? He has lost his spt in OAK hasn’t he?

by SBP on Dec 1, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If OAK was smart they’d keep him as a backup.

by Brownie's Year on Dec 1, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I would tend to agree. Not sure how the salary issues might play in there. After Campbell went down my thought was he was done in OAK

by SBP on Dec 1, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think hes a FA, and I doubt he wants to be a back-up. I would bet he looks around for a chance to start.

by -bobby- on Dec 1, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

he is indeed an fa.

outside of the top 5-7 guys, the qb play in the nfl has been atrocious this year. a guy like campbell ought to get a shot to start somewhere.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 1, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Delhomme is out of the picture. He just got picked up by the Texans as a backup for Yates after Houston worked out Delhomme and Garcia. So maybe the Browns aren’t in such bad shape after all.

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
I have the best wife - ever.

by JustBob on Dec 1, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s really easy for me to think about how Brees played in his second year and compare that to how Colt looks now then watch Brees now and think it would definitely be worth waiting a couple of years for that.

by HenryDawg on Dec 1, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Or any other number of QBs who sucked their second year and then turned out to be sucky their whole career.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 1, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If we draft Luck (high doubtful) he could contend for the starting spot, if not Holmgren will insist that the rookie sits and watches and learns. Colt will be here next year, the spot that is up for grabs is Seneca Wallaces spot and if a quarterback is drafted in the first round, he is gone.

If they do not draft a quarterback early, then I think a veteran back up might be brought in or traded for, and he will back up Colt.

As far as Colt McCoy, he can improve his future with this team in the next 5 games, but I still think he is here as most probably the starter or at worst the back up next year no matter what, unless he pulls a Charlie Frye in all of the next 5 games and that is not going to happen..

by champion64 on Dec 1, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The ideal scenario is what happened in San Diego. You draft a very talented QB and then the incumbent improves a ton and you have two stud QBs.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 1, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think they should have kept Brees, oh and Schottenheimer

by champion64 on Dec 1, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

If they draft a QB I think it will be a competition. If he grabs the bull by the horns and wins it like Newton terrific. The best player will play would be my ideal hope.

by -bobby- on Dec 1, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Except the time he actually talked about something else, people still jumped all over him.

by HenryDawg on Dec 1, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yea, it’s a bit of a gang mentality right now.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 1, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That being said, people are ready to pounce on you because you doggedly stick to one subject (Colt sucks) and insult anyone that doesn’t agree with you.

The problem with this is that it’s just not true anymore. Champ has been posting and offering up many opinions aside from Colt sucks recently.

It’s just that not many can be bothered with changing their opinion of him. Not that they have to, but it’s get annoying hearing the same complaints against him, when he’s not even behaving that way anymore.

Mangini apologist by default.

I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.

by Villeslgr on Dec 1, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I’ve seen, he does the "Colt sucks" thing on Sunday through Tuesday. Then he becomes optimistic for the rest of the week. It doesn’t bother me as much as others, but it does get repetitively annoying. Those who are involved with C64 have stated their case. I don’t think anyone here dislikes the man. He knows the game as much as I do and I respect that. But if he can’t take a simple joke like "Colt sucks. Highfive", then it’s on him.

by Brownie's Year on Dec 1, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

you are right on this one. 26th in rushing yards, 23rd in rushing ypc.

You are right also on the 3rd for rushing yards and they are also 1st in rush ypc.

In this situation, you are definitely on your game.

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by bross09 on Dec 1, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That is the problem with this board, There are so many here ready to jump all over someone with statements that are not true. Just pile on. So did any of you check the stats?? The Ravens rank 26th in the NFL rushing.

Of course not. But ssshh, don’t tell anyone.

Mangini apologist by default.

I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.

by Villeslgr on Dec 1, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I will tone down my Colt stinks rant. I promise. Thanks for the support.

by champion64 on Dec 1, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The recs were for the “highfive” comment. Not the stat. I knew he was wrong about the ranking, but I still rec’d the comment. Don’t take it personally.

by Brownie's Year on Dec 1, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO Cribbs is not returning well due to the new blocking schemes on kickoffs. He was always excellent at following his blocks and this year the blockers don’t seem to be leading him. They just get engaged and hold their man.

by GrillGuy on Nov 30, 2011 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

I think it’s more of the players blocking than a scheme.

by Brownie's Year on Nov 30, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

While I agree that this plays a role, there were times under the “good blocking” where Cribbs just beasted his way through tacklers.

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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 30, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Cribbs has been on a steady decline for two years now.

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by notthatnoise on Nov 30, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i kind of give him a pass for 2010 for, you know, not having any toes!

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 30, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He was bad before his injury last year.

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by notthatnoise on Dec 1, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t that the year he started off fat (muscle)? Or was that 2009?

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I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.

by Villeslgr on Dec 1, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel this way too, but it’s hard to get far on a return when you take two steps forward then right angle to the sideline. The blocking just isn’t there. He’s still a play maker though. He’s our best “receiver”.

by Brownie's Year on Nov 30, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he was at his best when he didn’t care about the blocking. He just ran. Now it seems to me like he’s trying to find that crease that will let him have a big return rather than making that crease himself.

I’m no talent evaluator, I could be totally wrong.

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by notthatnoise on Dec 1, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, kickoff returns aren’t easy anyways. The best in history only average like 1 TD a year. So Cribbs is due for one.

by Brownie's Year on Dec 1, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree, he used to just bust up there and if it broken open it did. It looks like he wants to score a TD on every play now and slows himself down. I think almost every good returner ends up doing that for some reason. Shifty RBs do it too a lot.

by HenryDawg on Dec 1, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but I think that was after he had already made considerable progress up the field and had a head of steam.

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by JustBob on Nov 30, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep in mind you can not run a wedge anymore. Its illegal

by HenryDawg on Nov 30, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The rec is with this one.

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by Adrock2099 on Dec 1, 2011 12:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Meh. And this is from a KSU student.

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by SpecialBrownie on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec for reminding me. Thanks

by SBP on Dec 1, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummmm…. Its actually tomorrow (Friday). 7 pm on ESPN tho!

by -bobby- on Dec 1, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t even know what MAC stands for. I’m not even bothered by the game.

by Brownie's Year on Dec 1, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Friday, actually, but REC.

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by JustBob on Dec 1, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i’ve been thinking today was the second…doh!

by athensdawg on Dec 1, 2011 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

and now a reply fail, this is not my day.

by athensdawg on Dec 1, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe sit the next couple of plays out…

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 1, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

…game-time decision?…good thing it’s a weekday, or i might have started tailgating too early!

by athensdawg on Dec 1, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

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