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Shurmur: If McCoy is Targeting Greg Little Too Much, Pontbriand's Release

Cleveland Browns head coach Pat Shurmur held his Wednesday press conference today. It was no surprise that one of the first things that reporters asked about was the release of long snapper Ryan Pontbriand. Much of the discussion also revolved around quarterback Colt McCoy not going through enough of his reads, and if he is targeting rookie receiver Greg Little too much. [Read full press conference transcript here]

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(On if Ryan Pontbriand’s problems this year were beyond the two bad snaps over the last three weeks)- "I mentioned this to the team. We made a personnel move, he’s not the reason we lost or won games. We did it as a team. It’s an unfortunate part of this business and I don’t like doing it. I have a strong feeling for the players that play here and when it happens it happens. I would say you look at everything, you look everybody’s work in total and we just felt like we needed to make a move."

(On if Pontbriand saying that he was in a slump had anything to do with his departure)- "There really were no comments or anything specific. We just felt like it was time to make a switch."

(On if this is a case was like others where a really good long snapper just loses his ability)- "I don’t know. We tried numerous things to try to get it consistent and I think that’s a question for him. There are examples in all sports really where guys that have been so good for so long don’t find a way to be consistent. Again, we just needed to make a change and that’s what we did."

(On if they were trying to send a message to the team)- "No, I don’t want to send messages to the players through the media or basically through actions just to send a message. We’re trying to win football games and do the very best we can. I did talk to the players about how everything that happens in life there’s a lesson in it or there’s something we can learn from everything. I mentioned this morning, I made a note, our first significant snowfall was November 30 and next year I’ll be aware of that in terms of weather we practice inside or out. I think anything that happens in life you can take things from and I’m sure this is just another event."

(On Marvin Lewis saying McCoy would run after his first read and if McCoy is running too much)- "No, I don’t think so. I would say Colt goes through his progression. I wouldn’t characterize it as his first read. He understands how important it is. Typically if you’re going to have a long drive and you guys all watch a lot of football, typically if there is a long drive somewhere in there the quarterback does something with his feet to extend the drive. Whether it’s scramble for yardage and get down or break the pocket, maybe make a throw or maybe break the pocket and throw the ball away. I think that’s all part of what you want to see. I think he’s done a good job with some of that stuff of late. I think that’s good."

(On if Greg Little has been targeted more than anybody else because he gets open more than anybody else)- "There was four or five occasions where Colt went through his progression like what Marvin (Lewis) was talking about and got back to Greg as a number three or a number four. That’s what happened. I wouldn’t say it’s significant him compared to other receivers. There were throws in there where Mo (Mohamed) was first in the progression that didn’t get there for whatever reason and there was a couple where Jordan Norwood was first in the progression. The first scramble of the game, we were trying to throw the ball to Jordan. They took Jordan away. He stepped up in the pocket. Greg was coming open, but they doubled Greg and then he scrambled. In my mind he went from one to two and then three was covered on his side view mirror, so he ran with it. That happens quite frequently. At the end of the game hopefully all the receivers get some production. How the game dictates it, sometimes things come in little bigger bunches. The guys on the team, when they are on the field we want them to be able to produce. Sometimes the game dictates a little bit where the ball goes and that’s why you don’t run just one receiver routes."

(On why Little is the top targeted receiver this year statistically)- "I think he’s improved. We already talked about how he dropped some balls last week, but I expect to see him continue to improve. I think the ball is getting spread around. I think at this point, Josh (Cribbs) has got more receptions and more yards than any year he’s played. Tight ends as whole are getting their production. You’ll see as we get our backs back healthier, you’ll see them catch more check downs. You’ve got Mo who is in and out of the lineup, we need to get him throws and Jordan Norwood. We’re talking about why the ball gets spread around."

(On Tom Heckert saying in camp that Norwood was a player and if he saw Norwood’s potential)- "I think he’s a playmaker. It’s important that he touches the ball and he’s done a good job. He’s been a steady performer with what we’ve asked him to do."

(On how important it is to have a speed guy that can stretch the field and if Norwood could be that guy)- "Obviously, you want the biggest fastest people you can get that are good football players at all positions. If you’ve got a guy that can really run and get down the field, you want that. It’s like asking about signing a bill for clean water, of course you want clean water. That’s what you’re looking for. I think what Jordan gives us is not so much the speed, but he finds a way to get open and uncover. I think that’s as equally an important attribute for a receiver. There are times when you just can’t run by a defense, they’re going to just not let you. Now what do you do? You’ve got to get open and I think he’s displayed an ability to do that."

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I guess Pontibrand didn’t battle hard enough?

"The rush of battle is a potent and almost lethal addiction, for war is a drug."

by dirtyjoe on Nov 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

Nope, not a steady performer.

by BornAKardiacKid on Nov 30, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s sad to see Pontbriand go just because he’s been with us so long and was typically one of the best long snappers in the league. But at the same time it doesn’t seem like that big of a deal for the team because who really needs a designated long snapper in todays NFL?

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Nov 30, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s an asinine answer. You need someone who can snap perfectly and get up to block. It’s not as easy as people around here are portraying. Of course none of them have ever played that role.

by Brownie's Year on Nov 30, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s key to have a guy who can do that, and it definitely takes skill. But the VORP just isn’t high because there are more than 32 guys in the world who can do the job adequately, and the difference between “adequately” and “superbly” isn’t that big.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Dec 1, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait… are we talking about fullbacks now?

by Brownie's Year on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Dec 1, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I was pretty sure all 32 teams had a designated long snapper but I have never bothered to actually check all of their rosters. I just assumed. I have seen the after effects of a long snapper going down to injury and it ain’t pretty. Imagine the Browns backed up at the 10 yard line and forced to punt (it could happen) and the snap from the backup goes over the punter’s head. That would be adding another way to lose and we don’t need that.

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by JustBob on Nov 30, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes all teams do. This past Sunday the Vikings long snapper got injured and Jared Allen actually filled in and wasn’t terrible.

There’s a fact of the day for ya.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 30, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Jared Allen? Yeah, I’d let him fill in at long snapper.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Dec 1, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d let him fill in, in a lot of places.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 1, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Due to respect to you I will refrain from the obvious jokes on your response. HA! On another note Allen is a good player

by champion64 on Dec 1, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I realized right as I posted it how many jokes could be made.

For the future, if I say something that sets up hilarity, please take the opportunity.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 1, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly we have yet to F up that way.

by HenryDawg on Nov 30, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you back now or just some free time?

by HenryDawg on Nov 30, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess Pontbriand didn’t battle hard enough?

Guess not. Maybe we should have tried him at FB.

by jonnyphoenix on Nov 30, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s like asking about signing a bill for clean water, of course you want clean water.

That is awesome.

by HenryDawg on Nov 30, 2011 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

What a strange analogy. I will say this about Shurmur: his press conferences are always a blast to read.

Dawgs By Nature: Holy Joe Thomas we suck

by Adrock2099 on Nov 30, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

At least his pressers are more interesting than Crennel’s and Mangini’s.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Nov 30, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Dawgs By Nature: Holy Joe Thomas we suck

by Adrock2099 on Nov 30, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I dont know about that— Romeo was always pretty jolly. I always wanted to poke him in the belly.

by jonnyphoenix on Nov 30, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t need a news conference for that

by HenryDawg on Nov 30, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

“Football games” and “football players” bothers me to no end.

by johnf34 on Nov 30, 2011 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

Could be worse: I have to hear Mike McCarthy presser highlights where it’s a constant barrage of “fuhbuhl team.” It just about makes me have a Mary Hart seizure.

by mister serious on Dec 1, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

How about every analyst who used to play or coach always referring the to National Football League, instead of just once saying NFL. It’s like it’s an unwritten rule.

by fivekmd on Dec 1, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

They likely don’t realize it, but it is extremely condescending.

by johnf34 on Dec 1, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It sounded like Marvin Lewis is seeing what has been said. Colt does not see the field.

by champion64 on Nov 30, 2011 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

Well that seems pretty normal for a QB who has less than 3 seconds to read the field with how poorly our O-line has given him on pass protection this season. He really doesn’t have any other choice. We didn’t pressure Dalton as much as they pressured McCoy so of course Dalton will look like the better QB.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Nov 30, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say over the next 5 weeks he will really be tested. If Marvin Lewis is right, it just means a lot of blitz packages thrown at him

by champion64 on Nov 30, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Dalton also had his receivers bail him out and make some terrific catches, where Colt had his receivers continually drop easy catches.

I believe in battling for genuine progress.

by Clevsports on Nov 30, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Our O-Line has been almost exactly average in pass protection.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Dec 1, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Just like we have the #1 pass defense in the league? I don’t buy either statistic.

by chitown browns fan on Dec 1, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s all about context friend. Our pass D has been good, but we have been played some truly terrible QBs this year. This is the case of data reflecting what has happened, but not necessarily what’s going to happen.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 1, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus teams are running all over us on the ground, and when they are up in the second half there is no need to take chances in the air, so they grind it out on the ground till we can stop them and sadly we haven’t. The #1 pass defense is more a product of our 29th rush defense than anything, and I agree we have played some anemic passing offenses. Jags, 49ers, Colts, Rams, Seahawks, Dolphins all in the bottom 1/4 of the league passing.

by champion64 on Dec 1, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you here, friend. And like C64 is saying below, our run D is seriously suspect, so the number of yards opposing teams attempt through the air decreases significantly.

by chitown browns fan on Dec 1, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

By “below” above, I mean “above”.

by chitown browns fan on Dec 1, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

actually, I just found (like 30 seconds ago), some stats about our O-Line and the protection. Pashos and Thomas rank 3rd and 1st (respectively) in Tackle ratings in the pass blocking efficiency ratings for their positions at Pro Football Focus.

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by bross09 on Dec 1, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Those stats on Pashos continue to amaze and puzzle me. I guess I don’t understand the rationale and the metrics as well as I should. Or maybe I just have an unrealistic standard in my head for the what should be expected at the NFL RT position.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 1, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Its only about 1.4 pressures a game, which isn’t too awful for a lineman. even good lineman make 1 mistake a game.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 1, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s fantastic if true; it just seems like there is consistent pressure coming from that side of the line. Granted, he’s not the only one over there, but to be ranked #3 in pass blocking efficiency . . . I definitely don’t understand the metrics, either, so there’s that. Or maybe my expectations are unrealistic.

by chitown browns fan on Dec 2, 2011 6:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The truth is I don’t think Pashos is a bad RT, its the injuries that have hindered his performance (IMO). I’m just wondering if the PFF metrics could be skewed somehow.

A theory – someone who knows more about this please chime in.
I’m probably way out in left field on this, but here goes…

We have the best LT in the NFL. Teams have probably been focusing on loading up on our right side. We’ve responded with some max coverage schemes geared to the right side.

Perhaps the ratio of stops to rushes/blitzes (from Pashos’ side) is skewed because
a) the sheer number of rushes and blitzes coming from the right side, and b) we are loading up with max protection on the right side (i.e. so even though we get a substantial number of pressures / hits / sacks from that side, we also get lots of stops on the right side?).

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 2, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Not too sure how it works, but if anything my guess would be that having an all world LT would hurt Pashos in metrics more than help.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 2, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i would lean this way, too.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 2, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

People have “St. Claired” us with some regularity. They’ll line their best pass rusher up on that side because they know the matchup is better than when that guy will see Thomas.

Seattle did this a little last night with Clemons vs. Peters, who is having a great year.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Dec 2, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

it could just be Lauvao…and the memories of Cousins/Hicks being burned into your brain. they were definitely awful.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 2, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Whats our OGs looking like? I would suspect Lauvao to be pretty low on that list, and Pinky to be in the middle.

by -bobby- on Dec 2, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I still don’t know that the people doing these stats can differentiate between “RG X got beat by the guy he was blocking” and “RG X blocked the wrong guy.”

I mean for starters someone would have to know 1. what kind of protections exist 2. which of those protections we are probably in on any given play, and 3. common situational protection assignments (e.g. for the all-curl play, we need to be in a 5-man, BoB protection because of XYZ reason, a 6-man protection is almost always half-slide, etc.)

In addition to figuring out all those things above, there are calls linemen make to each other to tweak the protection based on the look they are seeing.

The on top of that, you have to go through every play, determine which protection we are in, and then grade each lineman. That’s a lot of video time for a coach with a playbook and the playcalling script in front of him, let alone some internet Sabermetrics guy who has to think about all 32 teams.

In short: it’s a ton of work to determine the blocking assignment and then grade it for each NFL linemen on each team for every play every week. I don’t trust that it would be 100% accurate, or even close.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Dec 2, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

it can’t possibly be anywhere near 100% accurate, but given that the same brains are doing it over and over again i kind of rely on the concept of gross offsetting errors getting you to a pretty good relative measure.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 2, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m glad they don’t build bridges and skyscrapers on that philosophy….

"Tracers work both ways" ~US Army Ordnance

by roar888 on Dec 2, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

When you can’t hit your back foot in your drop without getting hit, you only have time for one read.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Dec 1, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I know Chris doesn’t type these presser answers out. But I find them hard to read. Does Shurmur really talk like that? My 5 year old nephew makes more sense.
I don’t watch his pressers. I’m usually too pissed.

by Brownie's Year on Nov 30, 2011 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

and be pissed at them

by HenryDawg on Nov 30, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously. this shit is unreadable; i can only imagine what it’s like to listen to the guy.

he comes off as a total moron in these presser recaps, which i realize has very little to do with his ability to coach football, but it sure as heck makes it ridiculously frustrating to try to sort through. his non-answers are just awful.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 1, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Part of me hopes he’s trying to intentionally be vague, in which case he’s a savant. Sadly for us, I don’t think that’s true.

by chitown browns fan on Dec 2, 2011 6:38 AM EST up reply actions  

We’re talking about why the ball gets spread around.

If we’re talking about Little, we need to be talking about, wait for it, practice.

Yes, I know. I’ll be here the rest of the week.

Mangini apologist by default.

I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.

by Villeslgr on Nov 30, 2011 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

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by Clevsports on Nov 30, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

wtf? That was supposed to be a picture of Allen Iverson.

I believe in battling for genuine progress.

by Clevsports on Nov 30, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec just for the last two pictures.

Dawgs By Nature: Holy Joe Thomas we suck

by Adrock2099 on Dec 1, 2011 12:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Clean water Norwood.

Ndamukong Suh makes James Harrison look like a teletubby.

by Heavysoviet on Dec 1, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

As long as he pays for every bottle.

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— Winston S. Churchill
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by JustBob on Dec 1, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

shurmur looks like a sad brett favre in that pic…

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by Gabe Durrant on Dec 1, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

A sad, clean shaven Favre.

Even Doug Dieken admits Joe Thomas is the real #73

by Doc's Kid on Dec 1, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Shumur keeps on trying to limit Colt by letting him throw what he thinks he can throw. Colt, obviously thinks he can do more. It is Catch-22.
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Funny as it is, Shumur let Colt throw more down the field earlier in the year. Colt was inaccurate and was the beginning of getting Mass killed by getting Tatoo’d by DB’s who were reading his eyes. So Shumur shortened the game plan even more(from where it was) and it has not helped the offense a bit however(and hurt Mass even more since he still got tatoo’d lol).

Frankly, I think Pat needs to let the kid go and let him fire down the field. If he screws up, he screws up. Limiting him to a certain set of plays and then saying he isn’t going through his progressions correctly is a copout to coaching scared.

by Johnnypronto on Dec 1, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

I am sure they run plays in practice trying to throw downfield. Maybe with all of the components it just isn’t working for a verticle passing game. I think he feels if they can control the ball with short passing and runs Colt can manage the game. Who knows. I agree take a shot, something different

by champion64 on Dec 1, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Shumur keeps on trying to limit Colt by letting him throw what he thinks he can throw.

????

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Dec 1, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

He are who we thought he are?

Mangini apologist by default.

I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.

by Villeslgr on Dec 2, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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