The Sunday Five: Vickers Set to Face Browns, Schaub's History
"The Sunday Five" is a loosely-titled piece where I talk about five NFL- or Browns-related topics related to this past week. In today's special Daylight Saving Time edition, I take a look at how a certain fullback will be a big side storyline in today's game, another thought on the Peyton Hillis situation, and more.
The much-debated removal of fullback Lawrence Vickers from the offense has quieted down since the start of the regular season, but things might pick up again this week since Vickers is a member of the Houston Texans. Earlier in the week, Vickers talked about facing his former team. He said the Browns' running backs miss him (although Hillis was really the only running back on this team from last year that he ran behind) and that he's excited to see his former teammates again. Vickers is just now starting to "grow" into the role of being featured more as the Texans' fullback. Meanwhile, Owen Marecic of the Browns has been much better suited for the West Coast Offense, notching 3 catches for 18 yards all season. /sarc
I don't know if you think history plays any sort of a role against quarterbacks (i.e. for some reason, Peyton Manning would have trouble lighting it up against the Browns). In two career starts against Cleveland, Matt Schaub has thrown for 256 yards, 2 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions. There are only a handful of teams that Schaub has had a worse history against, and he'll be going without All-Pro receiver Andre Johnson again. The Browns' secondary has been trashed and touted at different points this season, and it leads up to this: the Texans are bound to have success at running the ball, so will Schaub be able to pick our defense apart when he decides to throw? He may have an advantage if Derrick Mason is going up against Buster Skrine, who is filling in for Dimitri Patterson at nickelback today.
Do I still support Peyton Hillis? Yes, I stand by my support for him and my belief that the team was trying to motivate him with their intervention. He seemed to respond well last Thursday, they unfortunately reaggravated his hamstring on Friday. We need to completely shut him down until his hamstring is fully healed. If that means he can return around Week 12, we can have Hillis (and maybe even Montario Hardesty) available for all of our key division games. Who knows -- maybe both of them will even be extra fresh since they haven't been worn down all season. As far as today goes, we have to move on without them and hope for the best between Chris Ogbonnaya and Thomas Clayton.
The Texans use their tight ends as receivers very well. Owen Daniels is Schaub's favorite target with Johnson out, and he has three touchdowns on the season. Their backup tight end, Joel Dreessen, also had three touchdowns on the year, having caught a score in each of his past three games. When those guys have combined for six touchdowns, Cleveland's defensive gameplan will have to account for these guys. That will be tough to do though because you know the Texans will try to match the 49ers last week by setting up the run to Arian Foster, only to hit one of their tight ends (more likely Dreessen) after the fake.
When are we going to break the first quarter of literally doing nothing on offense? I would love to see the Browns open up the game in the hurry-up offense. Pat Shurmur should be embarrassed that his offense has not done a damn thing all season, particularly in the first quarter. He didn't seem willing to deviate from his gameplan when he was with the Rams though, so I'm not too optimistic about there being different results against the Texans. Our best chance of scoring in the first quarter will be if the defense forced a turnover and sets our offense up with a very short field to work with.
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1. The only reason Schuab will have a bad stats day against us is because they are going to run all over us with Foster and Tate.
2. I was in full support of Hillis when it was the media spewing garbage, but when his team mates start talking about distractions you know something is going on. I am officially on the fence with Hillis and ready to jump to the other side unless he gets a grip an makes it right with his teammates.
3. I can’t stand the slow starts every week. I’m going to murder something/someone very soon unless the coach and the players move past their mistakes and score points early.
I wish I could find a bar showing the game so at least I could soothe the game pain with beer. Doesn’t work at home.
....just need a guy called Byner to play RT...
You could probably go to a sports bar and ask them to put it on a tv off to the side.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Nov 6, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
or in a bathroom
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
This is going to be a tough game for the Browns. I hope it doesn’t get out of hand.
I think Hillis will be gone after this year. Shame, because a good Hillis is what this team needs. The idea of looking for a RB and possibly a QB next year is not an ideal situation.
by Grockcubs on Nov 6, 2011 9:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Meanwhile, Owen Marecic of the Browns has been much better suited for the West Coast Offense, notching 3 catches for 18 yards all season. /sarc
Come on. Seriously? You think Marecic has actually done something this season? I’m begining to lose faith in your analysis Pokorny (RIP Moon).
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
I will be interested to see how much of Vickers we do see. The few times I have watched the Texans this season, he has been MIA.
Which is really curious considering they went out of their way to sign him.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Nov 6, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
he's been a back up.
james casey is our fullback, while we use vickers on 3rd and ones and goal line situations.
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by Carter Liles on Nov 6, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Hi browns fans.
Best of luck today. No injuries. I hope the Texans win, but I hope both teams keep it fun for both fan bases to watch. Win or lose, at least we’re watching football.
Good luck browns fans.
hoping for a Houston W, and an injury free game!
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You too. Half the family Browns fans – half Texans. I am hoping the Browns don’t get humiliated – would be a long week.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
by realmccoy on Nov 6, 2011 11:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wade Phillips will be diallng up blitzes like a telemarketer. Hoping Pay has drawn up a wrinkle to punish them.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
by realmccoy on Nov 6, 2011 11:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions
On the bright side, Hillis’s fumbles are down this year…
Peyton Hillis can smash through the Great Wall of China.... longways.
by BROWNCOSFAN on Nov 6, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

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