I just received a text alert saying that Mike Holmgren will be addressing the media today at 11:45am. I can imagine he'll be talking about Colt McCoy and the NFL & NFLPA investigations into the concussion incident.
The event will be streamed live on www.clevelandbrowns.com
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Did they ask him about the Harrison hit yet?
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions
The right move.
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by SpecialBrownie on Dec 14, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions
Man Holmgren sounds pissed at these reporters.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 14, 2011 12:26 PM EST reply actions
He is immediately the best head honcho we’ve had. He realises the media is among our top 3 problems.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
He realises the media is among our top 3 problems.
The sports media is garbage. But “the media is among our top 3 problems” is bullshit.
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The sports media is what I meant. Grossi, most of ESPN, MKC to an extent. I shoulda been more specific. I was multitasking.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Among our top 3 problems?! Not a chance. We are talking about the Browns, right?
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Okay, maybe I exaggerated. They are among our biggest off the field issues.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
A little hyperbole is warranted sometimes. The Cleveland sports media is indeed one of the biggest off-the-filed problems though. They go out of their way to create bs controversy. I compare it to the LA sports media, which is indeed a little sensationalistic like all media, but they are nothing like this.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
They go out of their way to create bs controversy.
This is true. Again, the media is shit. But they are a bigger issue than our run D, WRs, QB play, o-line, playcalling, I could go on…?
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Agreed. It was hyperbole by TLO, but warranted hyperbole.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
The only sports media around here I like is Terry Pluto and 92.3 The Fan. I really do miss virtually uninterrupted music though.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I am really starting to like 92.3 the fan. Rarely tune into 850 anymore.
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I’ll have to try them. I listen to 850’s online stream, but the signal is garbage in the car. When I’m driving I’ve been listened to 106.5 The Ticket. They are decent, but not nearly as interesting, compelling, or entertaining as 850.
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850 is often entertaining, but often much more of that than informative or insightful really (looking at you Fedor). 92.3 is new and I don’t know if the signal reaches you, but you can listen to it live online (just checked, wasn’t sure)
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In life, people tend to kick you when you’re down and sing your praises when you’re up. The media is a hyperbolic version of that treatment. If the Browns win games, the local media will be singing Zippity Doo Daa out their a**holes.
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of concussion questions. From what I’m hearing, Holmgren expects no punishment from the league for anything involving Colt.
Colt wasn’t displaying any concussion symptoms until after the game.
Tony Grossi continuing to be a pompus ass.
Holmgren is starting to get very irritated.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:26 PM EST reply actions
Holmgren just had to collect himself mid-sentence. These reporters are being repetitive and are asking him the same questions twenty different ways.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions
If Browns players should have retaliated for Harrison’s hit: “I don’t coach that way. I know Pay doesn’t coach that way. As hard as it is, you walk away … That’s not the right thing to do, that’s not how I want our team to be.”
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions
Independent neurologists at games came up during the meeting with the league. No word on anything changing regarding that going forward.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions
Regarding “systems failures”: The NFL guidelines for concussions failed, not anything specific to the Browns.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions
Toni Grossi’s tone is so whiny. I would hate answering his questions even if they weren’t loaded.
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions
For anyone wondering, Pat Shurmur will be the HC next season. These reporters are starting to piss ME off. Poor Holmgren.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions
Holmgren: I want you to know that we tried to do everything the other night to protect our players."
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions
I want to see Holmgren shoot lightning bolts out of his eyes at Tony Grossi.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions
Holmgren: “I would ask you to believe me a little bit and trust in how we’re doing things … I’m not gonna lie to you, we will get you the proper message at the appropriate time.”
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions
Lost in translation: Get off my lawn, a-holes.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Mike Holmgren: “No one on the sidelines saw McCoy get hit.”
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Looks like no one on the sidelines saw Seneca get to the 5 either.
by tribe71 on Dec 14, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh jeez.
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by SpecialBrownie on Dec 14, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
That really surprised me, but I guess it’s possible?
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
but I guess it’s possible?
Probably not. But if it is possible, and it’s true, that’s even worse.
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Yeah, how the hell is no one watching the play on the field? Especially the person who has the ball.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 14, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Again, it seemed pretty clear to me he was referring to the medical staff, not the coaches. The coaches didn’t realize the medical staff didn’t see the hit. Sounds right to me. If the medical staff saw the hit, there is no question that they would have been more cautious. The coaches then relied on the medical staff, not knowing that that hadn’t seen what happened on the field. That explanation makes a lot more sense than any conspiracy theories that people are going with.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why the hell is our entire medical staff not watching the play on the field? Not one guy on the medical staff, really?!
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Even if they hadn’t seen the play it’s no excuse. A player was taken out of the game and brought up for medical evaluation. That is something that should always be handled with all seriousness and the utmost caution for the player’s health. Either way they dropped the ball big time.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 14, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Either way they dropped the ball big time.
I don’t think anyone disagrees with that, even Holmgren. Putting a guy in when he has a concussion is obviously a big breakdown, especially under these circumstances. The point is that the system broke down for a reason and we figure that reason out.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Why the hell is our entire medical staff not watching the play on the field? Not one guy on the medical staff, really?!
I don’t see what that is hard to believe.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I see it as a potential problem with the medical staff.
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Don’t forget, Marecic and Watson had already left the game with concussions and were being evaluated. Also, Thomas was sick, and there were other injuries to players (can’t remember off the top of my head).
At no point should someone on the med staff not be fully read for any successive play to what is happening on the field, no matter how many players are hurt.
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by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 14, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What’s the point of hte medical staff if they aren’t be informed of what happened on the field. How are they supposed to do their job correctly? This is very basic.
if the medical staff has to rely solely on the reports of the players as to what happened, then why even have a medical staff?
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 14, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that he meant the medical staff — not Pat or the other coaches.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I assumed.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
As he said, the medical staff was working on other players — there were a lot of issues going on so that sounds right.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
What does that mean? The medical staff was dumb for working on the sh!tolad of other players who had issues rather than stopping to watch the game?
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
It’s dumb that they aren’t being informed of what is happening on the field. The medical staff cannot perform their job fully if they are either not watching or not being told what happened.
I agree with that. I thought you were saying it was dumb that they weren’t watching the game.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine they will implement a new protocol for at least having one med staffer watching at all times.
honestly, how about a “medical coordinator” up in the booth? if it’s so hard to get real reports of what’s happening with injuries, and so hard to have enough medical staff on the field-level to be able to actually watch the plays, let’s have someone w/ no particular treatment responsibilities watching and helping.
that said, i can’t believe this is that hard.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 14, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Getting full information to the medical/training staff through some kind of independent source was one of the issues that he said the organization discussed with the league and union.
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, it is an utterly ridiculous statement. All you have to do is watch the replay of him running straight toward the Browns sideline and getting leveled 5 yards away from the coaches and staff who are clearly standing right there watching everything unfold.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 14, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
His last statement was odd to me. It’s one thing to say Shurmur needs another year, and another to say he’ll be around here for a long time. I want to have one coach for more than two years as bad as anyone but if Shurmur hasn’t truned the ship by mid-season next year its time to go.
I caught that too, but if I was just in a room with those people for almost an hour I would say anything I could to get out, so I didn’t pay it much attention.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the statement because it defuses the coaching carousel question and takes pressure off everyone in the organization. It doesn’t preclude Holmgren from making a coaching change next year if he feels it’s the right thing to do There’s a difference between public relations statements and the internal workings of the organization. If Holmgren were to fire Pat at the end of next year for non-performance, he could always say that things changed, if that were the case.
If he would have said, “We’re going to evaluate Pat’s position at the end of the season or at the end of next season,” there would have been an endless subsequent line of questioning from today forward regarding where Pat feels he is relative to his job security and where Holmgren feels Pat is relative to his progress.
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
good insight. I guess I feel like he could have said… ‘lets give shurur an offseason, somemore talent on offense. He hasn’t had a fair shot at HC since he hasn’t had an offseason.’
But like you said. that would have lead to more questions.
Thanks. If I were in the media, and Holmgren said, “He hasn’t had a fair shot at HC since he hasn’t had an offseason,” I’d ask right away, “Then how do you explain the success of Harbaugh in San Francisco?” It’s a slippery slope.
Publicly, the head honcho should always show confidence in the personnel he’s chosen for two reasons: 1. You don’t want your coaching staff looking over their shoulders all year wondering if they’re going to have jobs a la the Miami Dolphins. It destroys their confidence and the confidence of your players in the coaching staff. You want the coaches and players focused on the task at hand, i.e., working to improve the football team. 2. You don’t want to open the Pandora’s Box of questioning regarding a coaching switch unless you’ve, in fact, made the decision to move in a different direction.
As for more talent, he did say the drops and errant snaps were game changers this year and that he and Heckert would address the media at the end of the year.
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
While he would never say it, if he believes drops are the team’s biggest problem, we need a new President.
He didn’t say they were the biggest problem; he said they and the errant snaps have changed the outcome of several games. But, I don’t follow your reasoning. If he had said that, why would that precipitate a change in the president?
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
It was an exagerration on my part, but my hope is that he believes the reason we are losing is inadequate talent at key positions like QB instead of dropped passes and the long snapper.
He said that the team could have been 7-6 right now, and people would have been feeling better about the team’s progress if it weren’t for some drops and snapping issues. He also said that Parcells always said, “You are what you are,” as a counter to that reasoning and any excuses given for a team’s record. I agreed with the drops and snaps and how that’s affected the outcomes of several close games, and I know and respect your stance on the QB issue. I didn’t think he was meaning for anyone to read between the lines or anything when he said what he said.
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
you know what, for all of Colt’s shitty play, we could be 7-6 without some of those key drops/botched snaps.
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Yes. Exactly. Sorry if it wasn’t clear.
by chitown browns fan on Dec 15, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
eh … a lot of this counter-factual stuff is pretty difficult. we convert those drops/snaps, who knows what the other teams do.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 15, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
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true enough. and another couple of breaks away from losing a couple of games. i tend to think it all evens out.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 15, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, plus the same thing could have been said about last years team, maybe even more so. Coach still got fired.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 15, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
good point.
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i think this is dead on, in addition to the fact that i believe (and i gather that holmgren believes) that a new coach of a dogshit team deserves at least three years to implement his system, get “his” players, etc. before being tossed on the trash heap. there are some caveats there, like the team has to show reason for optimism, but constant and reactionary turnover is bad for everyone.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 14, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
What else is he going to say? “Pat Shurmur will be here for another year or two — hopefully more, but we’ll see . . .”
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes I think the reporters would be happier if he said “I have no damn clue what I’m doing and Pat was fired just before this conference. Have at him, ya vultures!”
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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 14, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I am usually hard on the media, but I think they are being fair with this situation. I think it’s reasonable to exonerate Shurmur in this situation given he was told by the staff McCoy was okay to go back in. I still take issue with him putting McCoy back in mid-series after that kind of hit, but he was cleared medically, so Shurmur should not take blame specifically for the concussion risks.
I still just have a really hard time believing that no one on the medical staff was aware that McCoy got hit in the head. Even if they were tending to someone on the sidelines, why were they not made aware of it? Completely bizarre still.
Also found this part of Grossi’s live blog interesting…
Holmgren admits he may have wasted a year by waiting to change coaches, but says he doesn’t regret doing it. He is very, very defensive today. “You’re either with us or you’re not. I’ll be honest with you …” He stops himself from saying something he didn’t want to say
That was my very favorite part of the conference.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 14, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
He went on to essentially threaten the media with future Browns playoff tickets.
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by Simmsinns on Dec 14, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The problem with the media here is that they seem to want Holmgren to put the blame squarely on someone and will only be happy if he does so. His answers all made sense, and they all point to a systemic breakdown where you can’t just blame one person. Clearly, our team does take concussions seriously as evidenced by past practice (even in this game), but the system broke down here and that is a big problem and shows maybe we aren’t taking them seriously enough. But what the media seems to want is for Holmgren to come out and fire someone or threaten someone’s job or — even more bizarelly — admit he made a mistake by not firing Eric Mangini earlier. The media is certainly right to ask as many questions about this situation as they want, but they don’t seemed satisfied with the answers unless the answer can be a sexy story for them. That’s my problem with Grossi, et al., here.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But what the media seems to want is for Holmgren to come out and fire someone or threaten someone’s job or
I wasn’t able to watch, but did someone in the media suggest that someone should be held accountable in this way or are you deducing that much?
Not explicitly that I saw. His general answer regarding the concussion was that it was an NFL policy systemic breakdown that just happened to manifest itself during a Browns game and that the Browns personnel were justified in their collective action vis a vis that flawed policy. He mentioned that the league, the team, and the union had a constructive conversation. I think the media was hoping that someone organizationally would be held personally accountable, but none of the reporters during my time viewing the presser asked point blank.
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be honest with you …F-you, go root for Buffalo.
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I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
by Villeslgr on Dec 14, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Another funny line from the presser: “If we’d just snap the damn ball and catch some passes, we’d be 7-6.”
Which front office didn’t want to bring in people who could “catch some passes” but rather would just pay the guys we have?
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You know if you’re Greg Little right now, and the president of the organization is mentioning dropped balls, you’re feeling a little self-conscious.
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Was Homgren talking to Grossi when he didn’t answer the question about leaving Seneca on the field? He said something about “the way you ask questions that imply something – don’t do that”. God I hope he was talking to Grossi.
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Yes. At least it was Grossi who asked why Seneca didn’t stay in the game.
by chitown browns fan on Dec 14, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
The way Grossi asked the question was so Douchey though. He was just trying to get Holmgren to second guess the coaches decision to make a story out of it. Holmgren’s answer was perfect. He told him – that’s a question for the coach. Exactly. Instead of wasting time in the rare instance that you have access to the President of the organization by asking loaded questions, why not do your employer a favor and ask something – ANYTHING valuable.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
You are right about Grossi’s motive, but I would have asked the same question and have been wondering the same thing. I also think Holmgren gave the right answer.
If Grossi would have worded the question so as not to sound like he was setting Holmgren up – he may have gotten a response. How about “Mike, you know Seneca better than anyone on the coaching staff from your time together in Seatlle – if you were on the sidelines coaching, would you have left him in there for the rest of the series?”
Holmgren may have answered that – then Grossi could spin it in the paper any way he wanted, but he had to sound sneaky.
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Exactly.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 14, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Damn if Holmgren would do this more often a lot of the complainers would maybe stop. I loved that he told the media you’re with us or you’re not. I think some of our fans should do the same.
I liked that he said he’s disappointed with the offense but they are young and still learning but if they don’t score more points next year he’s going to have a problem.He also hinted at some off-season changes.
i don’t love the with-us-or-against-us stuff, personally. while i do like holmgren and the way he conducts himself, you can be a fan of the team, or at least not an opponent of the team, and still ask, “uh, what the fuck did we hand the ball to the 3rd string tight end on the 6 yard line for?” there’s good an bad in everything, and pointing out or expecting answers for or looking for accountability related to the bad doesn’t mean “you’re not” with the team.
i’m not saying the media doesn’t act like a bunch of grundles 92% of the time, or that the bellyaching among some fans doesn’t get old, but it’s not as simple as black or white.
and he does it himself here. he’s disappointed with the offense … he would have to qualify as “against” in the polar world of with us or against us.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 14, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get you, and agree. I guess its more like people calling for Shurmur’s head before all the facts come out or wanting him fired after less than one year. It just gets frustrating that we can’t give them time to build, hell Alex Smith has been starting in SF for 7 freakin years. Now I don’t think we should go that far but we’re always calling for heads so quickly, it would be nice if the media and fans just accept this is year 1 of something new and try and stomach it as best we can.
i heard some talk about SF on the radio today, and the topic of alex smith’s 7 years was brought up … i had to pull over for fear of dry heaving and swerving into oncoming traffic at the thought of 5.5 more years of colt and the team being shitty before we get a division winner. jesus. that would be abysmal.
i understand what you’re saying, and i’m with you. this non-stop alarmism about the direction of the team gets severely old in a hurry. shurmur has been the head coach — albeit a bad one — for 13 games. let’s relax a bit.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 15, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
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