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Browns Injury Notes: McCoy Still Not Practicing, Ward May Miss Another

CHICAGO, IL - SEPTEMBER 01:  Seneca Wallace #6 of the Cleveland Browns rolls out to look for a receiver against the Chicago Bears during a preseason game at Soldier Field on September 1, 2011 in Chicago, Illinois.  (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)

At this point, I'm not sure if it makes a huge difference whether or not Colt McCoy or Seneca Wallace is the starting quarterback for this Sunday's game against the Arizona Cardinals. That is not a dig at McCoy; it means that we have pretty much seen what McCoy has to offer given the talent he is surrounded with, and the next three games likely aren't going to make or break his chances at being the team's starter next season.

McCoy did not practice Wednesday or Thursday. He was sent home both days as he continues to recover from the concussion-like symptoms after last week's game against Pittsburgh. Seneca Wallace has been getting all of the reps with the first-team offense, and if we find out that McCoy doesn't practice Friday, Wallace would probably end up getting the spot start against Arizona. "[Seneca's] taken all the reps to this point and in the event that Colt doesn’t play, and the longer he goes here this week without practicing, the more we can assume that that may be the case [that Wallace would start]."

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Shurmur also expressed confidence in third-string quarterback Thaddeuis Lewis in the event that he is called upon this Sunday. "I watched him execute in St. Louis. My thoughts go back to, it was a preseason game against the New England Patriots and he went out and executed extremely well. Now, it was a preseason game, but I watched him do some things that make me think that he has a chance."

Safety T.J. Ward took part in portions of practice on Wednesday, but was held back on Thursday after being sore. He hasn't played in a game for awhile, but his status for this week's game will probably be determined by whether he takes part in practice on Friday as well.

Fullback Owen Marecic and tight end Ben Watson have each had multiple concussions this season, and neither one practiced Wednesday or Thursday. It would not surprise me to see Evan Moore start at tight end with Jordan Cameron as the backup this week. That would put Alex Smith in position to start at fullback again.

After missing practice on Wednesday, Joshua Cribbs took part in individual drills Thursday and is expected to play this Sunday. Running back Peyton Hillis appears to have recovered from his hip strain and is ready to roll against Arizona too.

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I’m not wishing injury on anyone, but I can’t stand Wallace’s attitude – especially when you consider he’s a 10 year back-up. You’d think he’d be used to the situation by now.

I’d like to see why the Browns jumped so fast to get T. Lewis when he was left unprotected by the Rams, and why they were so upset to see him go. If he can be a serviceable number 2 QB they can show Wallace the door after this season.

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by DaveDawg09 on Dec 16, 2011 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

not likely since he is one of “Holmgren’s guys”

by PaduaDSP on Dec 16, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s nothing wrong with Wallace’s attitude. He shouldn’t want to start? He should want to and he hasn’t caused a bit of trouble since being assigned the backup role despite better numbers and more familiarity with the offense.

by HenryDawg on Dec 16, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t want a backup who is “used to the situation by now.” I am sure Curtis Painter was very much used to the situation.

Rich Gannon was basically a back-up for 10 years — I doubt he ever got used to it.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want a guy who is going to be complacent with being a backup, but I also don’t want a guy that will talk to the media the way Seneca did. There’s gotta be a middle ground and that’s where I would want a backup QB’s attitude to be.

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by bross09 on Dec 16, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

we have pretty much seen what McCoy has to offer given the talent he is surrounded with, and the next three games likely aren’t going to make or break his chances at being the team’s starter next season

Not sure if I really agree with this. I know many folks have written him off. Certainly understandable. I’ll admit they’ve made their case that McCoy isn’t the answer, and a strong case at that.

But in my opinion, the first half of this season was much less important in assessing McCoy than how he does down the stretch, and especially down the final stretch against the division.

The offense was in complete disarray the first half of the season. To put it in a nutshell, the offense was still in the “design phase” for the first few games, and has been “under construction” since then, slowly taking shape. Who are our wide receivers. What is the rotation. The receivers finally learning their routes (and hence starting to “get on the same page” with McCoy). The rookie guards finally starting to learn their positions. The new backs learning to pick up their blocking assignments in pass pro / max protect situations. The dust slowly settling after the arduous and disruptive “Hillis drama / running back carousel debacle”.

IMO there were signs by the 8th or 9th game that McCoy was showing some clear improvements, as was the rest of the offense. Many folks around here were making the same observation, so I know I’m not alone on this point. And in my opinion, while the offense didn’t exactly light up the field in Pittsburgh, it sure seemed to me that there were some “signs of life”. We were moving the ball more agressively and efficiently. McCoy looked very, very good for the first part of the game, and he was pretty sharp overall IMO (until the concussion of course).

I agree that it will definitely interesting to see what happens with Wallace running the offense. If he has a huge day (puts up over 300 yards passing, whatever – etc.) that should be considered along with the rest of the “data” in assessing McCoy. But keep in mind Arizona is probably a bottom 3rd NFL defense, and look at the last 4 defenses McCoy faced. Pittsburgh and Baltimore – clearly two of the best defenses in the NFL, and Cinci and Jax are both arguably top 10 defenses.

Regardless, assuming McCoy starts against the Ravens and Steelers, it seems to me that those games would be very important in making a final assessment on McCoy, and I’m guessing H&H are of the same mindset.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Arizona is 21, all 4 of the teams you mention are top 10 (based on what I don’t know). Still STL has an awful defense, surely worse than ARI. so if he puts up a meaningful 300 yards…well…

by HenryDawg on Dec 16, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, if Wallace has a big day, of course it should be factor in their assessment.
My main point was that I believe McCoy’s performance in the last two games will likely be big factors in his assessment by H&H as well (contrary to what Chris states). That is assuming he’s back from the concussion and starts those games of course.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know how these things work but if I was a coach at the end of the year I would take all those plays on coach’s film, look at who read the plays right and made the right adjustments and who didn’t and base my evaluation on that rather than just stats and wins and losses.

by HenryDawg on Dec 16, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. All I’m saying is I guarantee you H&H would like to add performances in the final two games against the Ravens and Steelers to the equation, and then make a final assessment to round out their decision making process for the upcoming draft.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Holmgren and Heckert have already made up their mind on McCoy but just can’t say that yet because it would totally destroy the locker room. We have had scouts at like 9 USC games this year, I think the FO really likes Matt Barkely and we could be in position to draft him outright.

by PaduaDSP on Dec 16, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

This plus the first paragraph in the post made me think that the Browns are going to draft a QB, probably high, then Colt and said QB will compete for the starting job through the offseason. We have nothing to loose by doing this we just give Wallace the boot from the NFL a few years past due and better our depth with either new QB or Colt.

by crazyL80 on Dec 16, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Wallace is a good back up who knows the system like the back of his hand. I’m so sick of the Browns kicking our decent to average guys to the curb then crying about how we never have any depth. I can already tell this regime gets it.

by HenryDawg on Dec 16, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve always said I thought Wallace was a good back up – many threads last year said I thought they should give him a shot at starting. Never quite understood the relentless trashing of him around here frankly.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s when you hear him in an interview or a quote on the news or radio that makes him unlikeable. His latest thing that turned me off was something along the lines of “My peers know I’m capable of being a starter in this league, but I can’t control the politics of the position.” You may as well come out and say “The players all think I should be the starter anyway.” and fire up the controversy machine.

Also, the being “the first one out of the locker room” (according to the PD) after the Pittsburgh game struck me as selfish and pouty.

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by DaveDawg09 on Dec 16, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, some of the things he’s said in interviews haven’t come across very well. I’ll admit that was one thing that bothered me a bit. I guess I never saw it as a huge negative though. Just figured this is a guy in his 8th year, hoping to finally get his shot, so in a way I could understand the attitude. I’ve seen so much worse from some players in the league though that it didn’t turn me off all that much.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly the kind of things you don’t want the leader of your offense saying.

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by JustBob on Dec 16, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m also sick of dickheads people analyzing everything every single thing a player says to the media. They’re here to play football, not run for congress. They’ll say stuff that sounds selfish because they want to play and right now Seneca is probably better than Colt. We’ll see what happens.

by HenryDawg on Dec 16, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s probably not. And he’s a huge ass at the most important leader position on the team. It matters.

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by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m almost certain I was just called a dickhead.

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by DaveDawg09 on Dec 17, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Holmgren and Heckert have already made up their mind on McCoy but just can’t say that yet because it would totally destroy the locker room.

There’s no telling where they are with their assessment on McCoy at this point. I’m guessing they aren’t going to say anything definitive until after the draft. because their best interest is to keep other teams guessing. Being vague about everything gives them ammunition to make deals come draft day. They don’t want to tip their hand any time soon.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone told me Heckert said yesterday there will be a QB competition next year.

by HenryDawg on Dec 16, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Just wish we knew the Quarterbacks that would be battling

by champion64 on Dec 16, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d be interested in hearing the source on that. It would be in direct contradiction to Holmgren’s statements in his presser yesterday. That said, I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if there is some sort of competition (either in preseason or into the first part of regular season). In fact I’d be pretty surprised if they end up naming him the outright starter and don’t draft or acquire a QB somewhere along the way.

At any rate, I think everything we hear regarding the QB situation between now and the draft can be taken with a grain of salt. They’re going to want other teams to believe we want a QB regardless.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

(correction…)

They’re going to want other teams to believe we want a QB
They’re going to want other teams to have no clue as to what our intentions are regarding drafting a QB (and/or whether it will be in the 1st or in the later rounds).

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone told me Heckert said yesterday there will be a QB competition next year.

Peyton Hillis will be in the competition. . . . It’s working for Denver, at least that’s what Brian Uhrlacher told me.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

tip their hand? as if other teams don’t have film on McCoy and haven’t seen him struggle to produce at a respectable NFL level. 21 games is plenty of time to render a decision on McCoy and I think the decision has already been made. Being vague on an issue like this only makes you look foolish because everyone already knows the outcome.

by PaduaDSP on Dec 16, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think burntorangeandbrown is right. If they are going to make a play for Luck it will be close to draft day. If they feel they have no shot at Luck and want a quarterback they think they could get maybe at in the mid first round they will disguise and maybe make a deal to get a big receiver. They are going to make it look like McCoy is the answer unless they know they can get the player they want to take his place.

That being said I agree with you too Padua, they know what they have in McCoy, so does the league.

by champion64 on Dec 16, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

They are going to make it look like McCoy is the answer unless they know they can get the player they want to take his place.

I actually think that’s the truth. They will not reach to take a QB, in either the draft or free agency, but if they think they can get the right guy, they will do so.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

oh I agree if they are going to make a play for a QB it will be on draft day. I just keep going back to 2009 and hearing the rumors flying around that Holmgren tried to sell the farm to get Sam Bradford. Luck is better than Bradford right now as far as I am concerned and we are going to be drafting a few slots higher and will have more ammo to go get him if we really want to. If not we might be in position to draft Barkely or RG3 in the pick 4-7 range, which is where we should end up barring a useless end of season victory. I just don’t see this FO team making a play for a big time WR. Everything they have done up until now has basically said we don’t value the WR position and we aren’t going to spend valuable resources upgrading that position.

by PaduaDSP on Dec 16, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you. If you look at it, Brady has not had superstars all the time in New England at the receiver position or the best backs but he has gotten it done. I agree Holmgren puts a tremendous importance on the QB position and my guess is that he and Heckert are leaning that way. I think they have addressed the receiver position. I think they feel as though Little is their guy. He is not THE GUY, but a good enough receiver to feature for now. They will add to that. I agree unless Blackmon is available they wont take anyone early in the draft at the WR position. I think MoMass has his days numbered.

by champion64 on Dec 16, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No way they are satisfied at the receiver position. As they note, they want playmakers. You read that as QB, I am reading that as WR. They will draft a QB, I am juts not yet convinced it will be with our 1st pick or 1st Round.

by SBP on Dec 19, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Colt has had 21 games. They have enough on him to render a decision on which way they are going to go. Lets look at it this way, I think they may have made the same decision on Hillis. If McCoy does stay, there will be a major acquisiton or trade or draft of a big time receiver and or running back. Of that there is no doubt. He will not go into the season next year, if he is the Quarterback of the Future with the lack of weapons he had this year.

by champion64 on Dec 16, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

What happens if Wallace rips it up for 350 and 3 TDs? DBN would flip the hell out.

by Brownie's Year on Dec 16, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

We may actually win a game?

by champion64 on Dec 16, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d be happy, but I doubt too many people would be clamoring for Wallace to be the QBotF. Wallace has a good amount of film on him, too, so unless he pulls a serious Alex Smith impersonation, I don’t see his performance being relevant to who next year’s starter will be or whether the FO drafts a QB early.

by chitown browns fan on Dec 16, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It will only matter if Wallace starts the next three games and we out score our 13.7 points per game average. If he can score 21 or more points in each of the final three games, it will not help McCoy’s case. Wallace is a backup no matter where he is in the NFL.

by champion64 on Dec 16, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That happenstance would be problematic to the ’Colt’s surrounded by crap’ hypothesis, wouldn’t it?

by tribe71 on Dec 16, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely. I’d say it would be problematic for the “Wallace Sucks” crowd as well :-/.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

No it won’t. We already know what kind of player Wallace is, he’s had almost as many chances to show it as Colt McCoy.

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by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

So, if Wallace throws for 350 yards and three TDs against the Cardinals, you are saying that you would still say “it doesn’t matter, Wallace sucks, period”?

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

If Wallace throws for 350 yards and three TDs against the Cardinals I will say “Where the f—- did that come from?!”

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by JustBob on Dec 17, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Dieken or Donovan, don’t remember who made a good point the other night that Seneca was playing in a foreign offense last year and that he is probably more comfortable in the WCO. I’m sure this was obvious to most, but it never occurred to me that last year’s Seneca may not have been his best. I never saw him in Seattle but I know he started quite a few games. Not sure how he did. I’m sure he ran out of bounds behind the LOS or threw balls 10 yards out of bounds then too. But maybe he’ll having better timing with the receivers. I guess we’ll find out tomorrow.

by HenryDawg on Dec 17, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure he ran out of bounds behind the LOS or threw balls 10 yards out of bounds then too.

When we signed him a Seahawks fan came over and told us to expect just that, so it’s definitely nothing new in his game.

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by JustBob on Dec 18, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

How many of those 350 yards will be negated by him running out of bounds behind the LOS?

Even Doug Dieken admits Joe Thomas is the real #73

by Doc's Kid on Dec 16, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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