Shurmur vs. Mangini
by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 15, 2011 2:59 PM EST
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There is a lot of sentiment for our former coach around here. I would like honest opinions from everyone about how you think the Browns may have fared this year if a coaching change wasn't made. I promise I won't call anyone bad names. Disclaimer: I know it's impossible to go back in time and change things or we'd all be with obedient supermodels (guy or girl kids). So let's hear it. If you don't care to comment about that, what is your number one draft priority?
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I think they would have been a couple of games better this year. First off, Shurmur has had no experience as a head coach while Mangini had plenty of experience. Experience does not guarantee better coaching, but Shurmur has struggled a lot as a new head coach. Also, the lockout gave Shurmur way less time to prepare the team for an entirely new system, something that would have been much less of an issue with Mangini.
agree a few of the close games that we lost by a couple bonehead moves might not have happened. Although if Daboll was still here I’m not sure the offense would have been any better.
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by Gabe Durrant on Dec 16, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
You have no idea what you just did.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2011 3:55 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Where is Cleveland Frowns? He will LOVE this fanpost . . .
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Dec 16, 2011 3:56 PM EST reply actions
Very true. That dude would be a bit easier to take seriously if he didn’t have such a raging hard on for Mangini. It just comes across as a tad bit unhinged.
by Off-the-Chain on Dec 16, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I read the articles about how he was run out of town by the Cleveland media. That dude is a trip.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 17, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
It would be awesome to have a HC with a sense of humor or a personality . . . thats all I know.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Dec 16, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions
Mangini wasn’t that. Bring back Romeo.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Even as poor of a HC as Romeo might have been for us, I can’t help but love the guy. He’s just too nice a guy to hate.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Dec 17, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
I hope he gets another chance in KC.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 17, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
beat the undefeated Packers in first game as interim? pretty good sign for Capt’n Jolly. players and fans love this guy…..i fault the player talent around him for not succeeding in Cleve
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He had talented players in 07. I blame his loosey goosey coaching style. You don’t go 10-6 without talented players no matter how weak your schedule may be.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 19, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
the inmates ran the asylum with romeo in charge. there’s a reason players love the guy so much.
he’s as nice a guy as there is, and i root for him to succeed, but there is no way romeo should get another shot as a head coach.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 20, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OT- Your avatar still makes me smile. No matter how small the picture is on the screen, I still know it’s her…
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I’m looking forward to the underworld movie next month.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 17, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
so much hotter than olivia munn
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I was watching the G4 channel with my friend and talking about how much Olivia munn’s hotness is overrated just because she is hip with “geek culture” and then the trailer for Underworld pops on and I pointed out how so much hotter Beckinsdale is.
Also, I don’t mind just pointing out randomly how overrated she is because she knows geek stuff and is on the daily show.
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her comedy is overrated by the subjects she deals with too imo.
If I want a hot girl who is into “nerd culture”, I’ll go with Felicia Day. She is also a readhead so BY would approve.
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I like redheads and felicia day>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>olivia munn
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Jennifer Morrison from Warrior and Rhona Mitra are 2 others. I liked Olivia Munn in two things, the dress in Cowboys vs Aliens and her Maxim shoot…otherwise, meh.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
DER….I was thinking Olivia Wilde.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 30, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 31, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
My sentiments on the matter are well known around here by now I’m sure.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 16, 2011 7:34 PM EST reply actions
We’d win a few more games, but we’d be plateauing with a bunch of smart, but average, vets that Mangini would keep around. The FO and Eric couldn’t co-exist given their different philosophies. Hindsight 20/20, Holmgren should’ve axed Mangini after the 2010 season, but I fully understand why he didn’t.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2011 7:55 PM EST reply actions
Bingo
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
The FO and Eric couldn’t co-exist given their different philosophies.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
That part I agree with which brings us back to the original point of getting rid of Mangini immediately.
Hindsight 20/20, Holmgren should’ve axed Mangini after the 2010 season
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Kinda late in the post and you are reiterating yourself. Drinking? NM doesn’t matter. Happy holidays.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 24, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
The issue is we didn’t need hindsight for this. This should have been a foresight thing.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 31, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
You think he would’ve kept old guys and not drafted? Weren’t those players necessary to bring the system and culture? I don’t get that line of reasoning.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 17, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
The draft picks probably would have just replaced the younger players who didn’t work out/sucked. I doubt he was completely replacing Barton, Coleman, etc…
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Still can’t agree here. He gutted the loser, money grubbing crybabies and put a team on the field the would have continued to improve. He didn’t want to play McCoy or Mitchell. I swear to the football gods, if I was Lerner, I would can Holmgren and bring Mangini back. Call it my own stupid gut feeling, or whatever you will, but the team played with purpose until garbage time/injuries sacked the season.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
the=that
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 29, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with getting rid of BE and K2, I just don’t agree that a D with the fact that a D where 5 starters (Fujita, Coleman, Barton, Elam, Brown) would be 30 or above in 2012. There is limited improvement there.
The D played well last year, but it was a bunch of veterans who were smart and familiar with the scheme. At that point, there is little room for those players to get better.
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Mangini did not have say over player perseonnel, why would we think the rosters would be any different?
presumably, we wouldn’t be running the “pure” wco and the 4-3, so the personnel would likely be somewhat different … though all hand-selected by heckert to work within the modified system that H&H and mangini agreed to run.
i would have loved to see mangini coach heckert talent. that would have been great.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 20, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Me too on that on, though I prefer Jauron’s 4-3.
The lack of talent Mangini inherited was remarkable, I just wish we’d found a way to hang onto K2.
....just need a guy called Byner to play RT...
I think he inherited more talent than he brought in.
by HenryDawg on Dec 26, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s not forget that the reason Mangini was in control of personnel was because he was unable to work with his hand picked choice GM.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 26, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
And that he also needed to clean house. He did a lot of the tearing down for us. Could we have salvaged more of the house? Sure. But Mangini is/was a “cleaner” and he did that quite well.
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better than HD said, he probably got rid of more talent than he brought in.
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Mangini would’ve still had control over playing time. Not that it was a bad thing, but Haden didn’t start right away and Jayme Mitchell never even played.
by Legoman0721 on Dec 26, 2011 1:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes the great Jayme Mitchell. The great Jayme Mitchell who was benched this year. There’s a reason he never played.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
Can we just all admit that our coaches since ’99 have generally been crap and move on?
by Off-the-Chain on Dec 16, 2011 8:03 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
As long as we had our QBs to that list I’m down.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
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by bross09 on Dec 27, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We’ve been over this a million times.
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by rufio on Dec 17, 2011 1:13 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I know this is not on topic but does anyone remember the title of the thread with that drunk guys rant at Bernie Kosar or could someone please put a link to it on here? That was so effin hilarious.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 17, 2011 8:48 AM EST reply actions
OMG…please someone….He needs to go down down back to (123 typos)….blah blah blah. No link?
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 24, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Mangini would have had a better record with the team this year; however, as bad as Shurmur has been at times, we have no way of knowing how much he’ll improve with a few years of coaching. We know he’s going to get at least 2 more years, so I’ll give you a complete answer to your question at that point.
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The only problem I have with our coaches and players is the forever revolving door. Stop the spinning door and stick with something other than what we’ve had for the last 8 or 9 years.
So you’re saying that 5 years wasn’t enough for Crennel? How about Botch, did he resign to early? The players will always be in and out, that’s the nature of the NFL. Only two Coaches had less than 3 years, Palmer and Mangini. Sticking with something for the sake of sticking with it isn’t going to work either.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 19, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
This. It’s my opinion that mangini had kind of plateaued as a coach. He is not going to be bad, but he is what he is.
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Mangini reminded me of an engineer – knew all the parts, specs, stats, ratios, etc. Ask him to actually build or use the machine though and…well saw what happened. If he was a good HC he would be coaching. He’s a good analyst so he analyzes. Daboll was his biggest mistake IMO.
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by browndawgbacker on Dec 19, 2011 2:07 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
That being said I think shurmer needs help playcalling and game planning.
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by browndawgbacker on Dec 19, 2011 2:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree with everything you said
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omg. What if it was a toy helicopter or train? Like Belichick.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 21, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
Mangini was bland and workmanlike; Shurmur (as a coach; I do not know the guy personally) is the biggest unwashed, diseased, pustulent dong ever shoved down the throats of decent people. I watched his garbage here in St Louis – he might as well wear stonewashed jeans when calling his outdated 80s garbage. if he were fired on Par-Per-View I’d order it.
Get a good coach who doesn’t wear Jordache and listen to Duran Duran. Belichick beat that garbage offense 20 goddamned years ago.
In summation: PUKE
Well, sounds like you know what you are talking about…
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 21, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not awful but in over his head.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 23, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not as concerned with why he’s ineffective as the fact that he is. A lot of teams hire the ‘hot coordinator’ to take over a team. Why, then did the Browns hire the ‘cold coordinator’ who can’t run an effective NFL offense even given a very capable young QB in Sam Bradford? If the guy is a bad coordinator, why even bother trying to see if he’s a good coach?
Bradford has been pretty bad without Shurmur.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 23, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
And wasn’t Shurmur with the Eagles when they were good? Genuine question, I don’t remember where he was before the Rams.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 23, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
He was the Eagles QB coach 1999-2008.
So yes.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 23, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I thought.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 23, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t realize it was all the way back to 1999, but I knew it was early in Donovan’s career
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Eagles for several seasons as the QB coach for mcnabb during his best years.
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With no plays during the last 2 minutes of each quarter.
Really?!
by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 23, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
What’s not to love about that guy. Merry Christmas and happy Chanukah and Kwanzaa too.
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