James Harrison's Suspension Upheld; New evidence that Harrison needs to be stopped.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2011 11:10 AM EST
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James Harrison's Suspension Upheld; Steelers LB Out One Game
The suspension imposed upon Pittsburgh Steelers LB James Harrison was upheld after an appeal to the NFL office, according to Jason La Canfora of NFL Network. Harrison was appealing a one-game suspension he received for an illegal hit on Cleveland Browns QB Colt McCoy last week.
Thanks to the NFL and NFLPA, a modest parcel of justice has been served to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Now for a quick look at where the Steelers stand on this issue. Then lets also look at just one example of James Harrison at it again, on another play from earlier in the game last Thursday. The play went largely unnoticed (and unpenalized), but is yet another example of why James Harrison is an unapologetic, unremorseful, repeat offender who should be banned from playing in the NFL until he is rehabilitated by a Steelers organization in denial.
According to the Pittsburgh Steelers organization, staff and players, an injustice has been done. As far as they are concerned, James Harrison is a paragon of virtue and a model citizen. He has done nothing wrong. Furthermore the world is out to unjustly punish the Steelers. And they have every intention of continuing to play their "style" of football, the NFL be damned. To wit:
"I'm not surprised. You're appealing to the same people who put the suspension in place, so no, I'm not surprised at all," Steelers safety Ryan Clark said. "I don't care about the league's message anymore. It's about us as a football team playing the type of football that's going to help us win championships, despite who gets suspended, despite who gets fined..." (AP article source - Friday, Dec. 16th)
Perhaps even more disturbing is something Harrison said in an interview with Men's Journal after the 2010 season (SBNATION article source):
Harrison indicates that, even after receiving $100,000 in fines over the course of the season for illegal hits, Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau told him not to change anything he does. "When the fines came down he said, 'Don't change a damn thing.' You're doing it the way we do it on this team."
Make no mistake, Harrison and the Pittsburgh Steelers have no regrets, no remorse, are in complete denial about Harrison's dirty style of play. The have absolutely no intention of making any serious attempts to make the appropriate corrections to Harrison's attitude or the consistently dirty and illegal style with which he plays.
In a recent discussion here on DBN, HenryDawg mentioned that in addition to the illegal hit to McCoy's head late in the 4th quarter, he remembered seeing another play earlier in the game where Harrison made a very questionable hit. He asked if anyone had access to a replay, so I took a look and sure enough, with 8 minutes left in the 2nd quarter - have a look. I'd say the evidence speaks for itself.
NFL, are you watching?...
Frame 1: Here McCoy’s basically already been sacked by three Steelers players.Harrison in the foreground (circled), plants and prepares for launch…
Frame 2: (view from the side...) Harrison launches, helmet straight into McCoy’s helmet…
Frame 3: From behind Harrison after he has connected with McCoy, his helmet bouncing off McCoy’s helmet:
Last year the NFL decided to take steps to try to mitigate the problem with concussions in the NFL. It really isn't rocket science. When you tackle someone you don't launch yourself into another player leading with the crown of your helmet. And if you deliberately launch your helmet directly into the head of another player, you're going to suffer consequences. If you do it with complete abandon repeatedly, the consequences might be severe.
Get it Pittsburgh?
We'll see if this modest one game suspension sinks in to the thick skull of Harrison and the thick skulls of those in the front office and coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Time for a reality check Pittsburgh. Clean up your act or the NFL will do it for you.
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Honestly since this is such an institutionalized thing I think they need to start punishing the organization. The Steelers have made it well known that they are going to continue breaking rules, and that the front office and owner support it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
That would surprise me because it would blatantly violate NFL rules (and if it was not reported would be serious criminal tax evasion). Rooneys aren’t that dumb.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 17, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
That would surprise me because it would blatantly violate NFL rules
The Steelers have been blatantly violating NFL rules for quite some time now. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Thomas should have taken his knees out right then and there.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
by DaveDawg09 on Dec 17, 2011 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I rec’d that but at the same time it looks like JT wanted to watch…..
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Dec 17, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
The Steelers’ attitude strikes me as spitting on Mike Webster’s grave…
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by Spidey on Dec 17, 2011 10:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I have to ask why the F this is on SI's Steelers team page
Bleacher Report is bad enough.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 3:20 AM EST reply actions
I wonder if there are Browns fans making appearances on the Steelers page causing these neanderthals to make their way over here. They stick out like a sore thumb with their use of the subject line.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Dec 18, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Steeler fans have exposed themselves this week at all time low. Their excuse making for Harrison is just pathetic. You know as soon as they lose for a couple of years they’ll abandon the ship like the rats they are.
You make it seem as if our fall is a foregone conclusion
I’m afraid you may be gnashing your teeth for quite a while if that’s the case.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
They said that about Rome too. Like Rome, your kingdom is becoming littered with sadists and scumbags.
That’s actually kind of a myth about Rome.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 18, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Sure if by myth it really wasn’t like Penthouse’s Caligula, but in reality there’s a lot of truth to the collapse of the empire, excess being one of the keys.
Well I mean of course the empire collapsed, but it had a lot more to do with stretching the economy too thin and having a country that large than it did with any sort of “moral decline.” Roman culture was always what most people today would define as corrupt or immoral, that changed very little from start to finish.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 19, 2011 5:30 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. Technology back then was far too inept to be able to stretch from Rome all the way to present day Turkey and Northern Africa. An empire that large was certain to fall fairly easily.
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by SpecialBrownie on Dec 19, 2011 6:17 AM EST up reply actions
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That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 19, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
All without subject lines!
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 19, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
You forgot about the physics of nachos cut by katanas.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
You are both right in a sense. Notthatnoise, you are absolutely correct that logistics and a lack of resources were most to blame for the collapse, but the late Romans themselves either didn’t understand this well or didn’t want to admit it. Henrydawg is also correct in the sense that a moral decline and personal excesses was for centuries the most common scapegoat that emperors and senators used to explain failures and bad times. They looked back to a romanticized, semi-fictional time when Rome was synonymous with virtue.
They also say you can judge people by their enemies
If that’s the case, I feel pretty good about the Steelers.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think you misunderstood the point of that statement.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 18, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I did understand it, I just responded with a different statement
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hey instead of just trolling here all day, care to make any comment on the dirty hits or are you just going to continue to be a boring little troll?
What dirty hits?
You mean like Taylor’s hand to Ben’s head?
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that wasn’t a rookie trying to get his hands up to block a pass. What is it about intentionally lowering your helmet and driving it into another helmet that you fail to understand. Keep grasping at straws though.
So Harrison wanted helmet to helmet contact?
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Considering he aimed at the helmet, I would assume so.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 18, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
He aimed at the top of the chest
The crown of his helmet bumped into McCoy’s facemask after contact. Harrison also extended his arms in front of his chest before impact, so he wasn’t going headfirst either.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
“helmet bumped into McCoy’s facemask”
LOL. Thanks, always appreciate a good laugh to start my Monday morning.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 19, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Holy crap, Steeler fans denial is even greater than I assumed.
How can one fan base be so warped?
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 19, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
You do realize the NFL banned launching with the crown of a players helmet right? Whether Harrison was intending to hit Colt in the chest or the head is pointless to debate because it was against the rules to begin with. You just keep digging a deeper hole of careless sportsmanship for your teams reputation.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Dec 24, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
They also say you can judge people by their enemies
I meant you misunderstood this.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 19, 2011 5:30 AM EST up reply actions
They have been making excuses for much worse for years.
This is child’s play to them.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 18, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Why would anyone need make excuses for the most successful franchise in the SB Era?
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I am talking about the blatant off the field issues. The hypocrisy of the ownership, the fans believing their players when evidence mounts, etc.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 18, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
So when our players are accused of something, they're guilty
When other players are accused of something, no one should jump to conclusions. Got it.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
P.S.
What “evidence” are you talking about? If there was anything beyond the circumstantial stuff from the alleged victim the case may have gone beyond the accusation stage.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Isn’t he still being sued?
Keep burying your head in the sand.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 18, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I was referring to the second case
The first will go absolutely nowhere judging by the emails sent by the alleged victim the morning after the alleged rape.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
It's hard to discern a pattern with two things
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
It depends how many of them seem likely to have actually occurred as described by the alleged victim
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
So now you’re blaming the victim? No wonder Sandusky raped little boys for so long. Western PA, where sexual assault and rape are fine as long as you’re winning.
Where the F did you get that?
Questioning the victim’s story =/= blaming the victim. And don’t even think about lumping me in with the PSU $#itstorm, I’m not a fan and have been disgusted by the whole thing.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
we’re still digusted by you regardless.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
by pwndabear on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope I'm not offending anyone's sensibilities
Us Steelers fans are just getting used to these newfangled compooters, or whatever they’re called.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Which is reasonable. I mean with the rent going up on trailers and I think PBR prices have also gone up it makes sense that learning how to use a computer was a low priority.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Dec 18, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I wouldn't know anything about trailers or their rent prices
Perhaps you could fill me in?
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think you do. Although im guessing you arent actually in Pittsburgh, hell chances are you have never lived there so maybe the Bandwagon just passed by your area.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Dec 18, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I live on the other side of the state and go to school in NYS
But my dad is from Pittsburgh and the rest of his family still lives there.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
NYS has a custodial arts program now eh?
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 19, 2011 2:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hey now, let’s leave PBR out of this. It did win a blue ribbon, after all.
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by rufio on Dec 21, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
So did that guy with the kilt.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 21, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Damn straight.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 21, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
freakin’ hipsters.
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by bross09 on Dec 21, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Whatever, I liked PBR before it was cool.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 22, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn’t help thinking of hipster ariel
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by bross09 on Dec 22, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha! Nice. And I ride a fixie, too.
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They’re great for flat areas. Hills, not so much.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 24, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I’m doin alright out here up against the Rockies.
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My cousin lives two hours north of Denver. Teaches at the UofWy.
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by SpecialBrownie on Dec 25, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt every mention of a Steelers player on an SB Nation-affiliated blog leads to the article containing said mention being plastered all over the relevant SI team page
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Golly gee, thinkin from a Steeler fan? Be careful your head does explode from all the dot connecting.
If it didn't explode after last semester I doubt this will result in much
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Hey LV, just noticed you posted a link to this story over on your blog. Good to see the message is getting out. Thanks for helping the cause! Also, thanks for the heads up about the story getting exposure over on SI. Great news. I’m thinking about getting this latest piece of evidence over to the NFL authorities, but maybe it will make it on its own!
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 18, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Aw, this is cute
So nice to see people thinking posts on blogs dedicated to perpetually irrelevant teams can force a multi-billion dollar organization to act. :’-)
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Perpetually irrelevant? You mean over the last 12 years. Because before that we were pretty relevant. Not to mention the fact that Bernie Kosar owned you guys, 10-4.
And its funny that you guys have destroyed us since our return and yet you only have a 4 game lead in the overall head to head regular season meetings.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Dec 18, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I was referring to the 1999 edition of the Browns
Since Kosar and all of the other pre-1996 history is currently in Baltimore.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Uh nope.
Clemson Tigers 2011 ACC Champions!
"That's why Carolina's in Chapel Hill and USC's in California and the University in this state always has been and always will be Clemson . . . You can print that, tweet that, whatever." -Dabo Swinney
The franchise that beat the Steelers consistently in the 80's is in Baltimore
The current Cleveland Browns franchise has only existed for 12 years. If you want to claim the old Browns’ history that’s perfectly fine but don’t act like it’s the exact same team as the 1999 edition.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
So the Steelers are the exact same team from the 80’s? How many of those players are still here? How many of the 1995 Browns are in Baltimore? Oh none? ok just making sure.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Dec 18, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
They're the same franchise, which is my entire point
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
According to the NFL we are the same franchise, according to a fan of a team with two less championships we aren’t. Who do you think we are going to listen to?
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 18, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever floats your boat I suppose
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
The only point I’ve gotten from anything you’ve said is that you’re a douchebag troll.
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
by Dawg Nuts on Dec 19, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
the only thing that the Ravens share with the new browns at this point is a couple people in the front office.
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Yeah thats not factually true at all. But i mean keep feeding the uneducated steeler troll perception. You guys are great for morale over here.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Dec 18, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Lord knows you guys could use a pick me up sometimes
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 18, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
c'mon man
that’s weak shit. Now you’re attempting to make it hurtful by bringing up that crap. (not a Browns fan, btw)
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 19, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly the only way to handle this situation is to give them a taste of their own medicine in January. Take Big Ben out. I am usually against playing dirty but at this point I would pay to see TJ Ward plant a helmet to helmet shot on Ben leaving him prone on the field.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Dec 18, 2011 9:08 AM EST reply actions
makes sense
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by count'em_six on Dec 18, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
i agree with this sentiment. obviously the morons wearing black and yellow arent going to get the message. however, if players take this into their own hands and return the party favors given out by the steelers, i think things would stop very quickly. you see if in other sports all the time; what happens if there is a hit on a goalie? Usually the act is returned and a message is sent. What about in baseball? The pitcher will tend to deliver a fastball to the ear if you mess with one of his teammates. It happens in other sports… why not in football?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
That’s actually why I think it would be a mistake to ever take fighting out of hockey. The players do a good job policing themselves.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
one of my favorite retributions of all-time was in lacrosse; Rochester Knighthawks vs Philly Wings. They messed with our goalie, we gave it right back.
Happened right in front of me and I loved my Hawks even more for it. Even though Scott Evans (our “enforcer”) got his ass handed to him afterwards, it made a statement which is what matters.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Again with you and the lacrosse. I thought this was over…
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sweetheart, its just beginning. home opener is january 21st against the buffalo bandits. biggest rivalry in the nll. if anyone is going to be in rochester around then, you WILL be attending the game and you WILL be sitting with me.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I admire your devotion.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 23, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Had to rec that...
Thanks for sharing it with us over at Niners Nation also.
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Hey – thanks, the pleasure was all mine. I’ll definitely be watching and pulling for you guys tonight!
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 19, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Some of these Steeler fans redefine "troll" and "homerism" inbred.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 19, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I have this theory: New Jersey impregnated West Virginia and Pittsburgh was born nine months later. I apologize to any one from WV or NJ in comparing you guys to Pittsburgh but…
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 19, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you really think the gestation period was that long? come on, they couldn’t have taken more than a month’s time to be shat out.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
If your bowel movements are a month apart, you might want to see a doctor.
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by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 21, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Haha oh man, that was a good laugh. Thank you!
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by Brownsbacker488 on Dec 24, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Guy on the radio a few days ago made a valid point: take the top LB’s in the league now and look at their personal fouls, roughing the passer, fines, etc and only 1 stands out. Harrison. How come all the rest hit just as hard and play just as fast but do it within the confines if the rules? Suggs is a good example. Yes we all hate him but he plays clean and mean. Lee from Dallas, Angerer in Indy, Jackson for us, Suggs and Lewis in Baltimore. Only Pittsburg trains their guys to cheat (that’s what we call blatantly breaking the rules for your own advantage).
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by browndawgbacker on Dec 19, 2011 2:45 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
speaking of talented, rule conscious LB…..Heckert said he ws “ok” with D’qwell and Gocong for next season. so my guess is they wont address LB in the upcoming draft. anybody have any thoughts if that (hopefully) translates into getting a veteran through FA? Super Mario, EJ Henderson, Urlacher, London are all available and we need help to stop the run.
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I see us working more on the secondary first since we paid gocong and are planning on paying Jackson apparently. I’d love to see another pass rusher ala Sheard in the draft tho. I’m very happy with him this year
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by browndawgbacker on Dec 19, 2011 7:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Mario would play DE if he came here, which would be awesome, but I doubt he comes to Cleveland for almost any amount of money, same Urlacher and he’s a MLB anyway so unless we don’t resign DQ its not happening.
I don’t see us not resigning DQ. In any event, Urlacher seems highly unlikely in general.
by Off-the-Chain on Dec 20, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Think of Mario and Sheard on the outside. A man can dream.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 21, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’d sell my firstborn child to make this happen.
by Off-the-Chain on Dec 21, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
The rule should be that the offender misses as many games as the concussed if the concussion resulted from an illegal hit. Otherwise, it is incentive to hit illegally.
Players are not allowed to come back until they are symptom free. So advise your players to concuss Brady anyway they can the first game of the season (especially division rivals). Take your wimpy 15 yard penalty and 1 game suspension (if that) and then watch Brady miss the first half of the season to your delight.
Harrision should not be allowed to come back until Colt is ready to play as well. That’s only for concussions that are caused by illegal hits which this was.
That would be a bad rule. Say an illegal hit from a star LB in your division takes out your backup TE. You now have incentive to put said TE on the IR even if he’s ready to come back the next game.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 22, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe said star LB shouldn’t be hitting people illegally.
I’m not saying any injury. I’m specifically saying concussions diagnosed and monitor by neurologists brought about by illegal hits.
To further clarify, all that needs to happen for the defender to get back on the field is the concussed needs to be cleared to play by the neurologist. If he is cleared to play and you still choose to sit him or IR him, that’s on you.
let’s say that the offender is James Harrison, a player on a divisional rival who the Browns play again during the year. It’s 6 games left in the year and your backup TE (let’s just for the sake of argument say we are talking about an Alex Smith type of player) gets his 2nd concussion of the year. He is easily going to miss a few games, what is the incentive to put him on the active roster?
The Browns did this with their starting TE in Watson, and there is much less risk in putting your backup on the IR.
The idea is nice to think about in theory, but in actual execution and practicality, it is a mess.
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There’s also Bross’ example below. It’s a bad idea all around.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 22, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s say that TE is Ben Watson, who is like 30-31. Let’s also say that this TE has had a concussion or two. He gets his 2nd or 3rd concussion for the year and because of the injury, retires. It’s essentially a career ending injury. If a player gets a career-ending injury, do you kick the offending player out of football?
There are too many bad situations that could result in this, I totally agree it would be a bad rule.
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I think it is safe to say you two do not realize the life long implications of head injuries. If you want players to stop hitting ILLEGALLY you have to make the punishment severe.
The hit on McCoy by Harrison should never happen. The guy hit someone in the face with his helmet. Obviously, if the injured guy retires, it would be a special situation.
This idea could not be as simplistic as I indicate above, I understand that. I think you are missing the overall point that I think harsher punishment needs to be levied for these kinds of hits, otherwise you are actually encouraging them to happen more.
I agree they need penalties that are more strict, but the penalty should have nothing to do with time missed by said player.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 23, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I think it is safe to say you two do not realize the life long implications of head injuries.
this is all sorts of wrong. I want to protect the heads.
If you want players to stop hitting ILLEGALLY you have to make the punishment severe.
I agree, but there is such a thing as too severe to the point where the results can become irrational. to kick a player out of the league for an illegal hit (not necessarily a H2H and even if it is, still…) because a player decides to retire after it is ludicrous.
The hit on McCoy by Harrison should never happen.
I totally agree.
I think you are missing the overall point that I think harsher punishment needs to be levied for these kinds of hits, otherwise you are actually encouraging them to happen more.
I totally disagree. I think the NFL needs harsher punishment and I would have been in favor of 2 games for Harrison because he clearly doesn’t care. I also disagree that starting to suspend repeat offenders encourages these hits. I am not in favor of giving the kind of punishment you describe to first time offenders, because you know what, some of these types of hits end up being unavoidable. Some definitely are accidental and it would ridiculous to crucify those players.
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OK how about save some variation of my rule for aholes like Harrison?
At some point I would like to see this guy kicked out of the league for what he’s done.
by fivekmd on Dec 23, 2011 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so we change the rules for players we don’t like?
I want to see the guy kicked out of the league too and if I was commish I would do it, but part of that is me being a Browns fan. I may have considered suspension in the game last year which would have made this incident multi-game suspension worthy. Hopefully he would have learned from that.
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Come on Bross. You have to realize some of my thoughts are based on frustration and sarcasm. I just don’t feel the league is really taking this seriously against a guy who obviously does not care about the rules.
So scrap my plan. My alternative plan is to pick up a no talent third stringer for the Dline next year and make his only mission to cuncuss BR, Dalton, and Flacco.
He gets a couple meaningless 15 yard penalties and MAYBE misses a game. Then we cut him and win the division because the QBs have missed half the season.
CHAMPIONSHIP!
The league isn’t taking Harrison seriously as they should, but in general they have stepped up their game up better than they have been.
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And it makes me sad that you both of you are considering “starting”, “star”, and “backup” positions in your examples as if that matters at all. I’m sure the backup TE would like to live a normal life after football just as much as the starting LB. You guys should rethink that part of your arguments.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 23, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think you’re missing Bross’s point.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
I think you’re missing the point of that part of the argument.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 23, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know, just concerned about concussions and what to do to stop the head to head collisions.
Perhaps scrap my idea and go back to leather helmets?
by fivekmd on Dec 23, 2011 4:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
leather helmets
Screw it, here’s the rule I propose:
Upon being assessed a penalty and/or fine for a 2nd flagrant helmet to head hit in a season, the offending player plays his next game with no helmet. Harrison should have to play one game with no helmet. Furthermore, he has to play. No substitutions. The team can either put 11 men on the field, including him, or they have to play 10 men (on whatever side of the ball the offending player’s position is).
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 23, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
And the game should be unpaid.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 23, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want to denigrate the backup TE, but I am pointing out all the complicated scenarios that could happen from this idea that are just bad.
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Agree. But as of now, Harrison and the steelers “won” that scenario. Colt’s still out and Harrison is back. And Colt’s poor play post concussion helped lose that game.
by fivekmd on Dec 23, 2011 4:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Personally I think the system of scaling up the penalty each time the offense is repeated is a good system, they just aren’t scaling it up fast enough. Reducing his fines at the end of last season didn’t help either.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 23, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, this should have been a multi-game suspension.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 23, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
But now we have a chance to cut his ass ans bust his ACL. Advantage Browns.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 23, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this. Last years game he had 2 (I believe iirc) in the same game and it was his 2nd or 3rd incident. That oculd have easily been a suspension. This should have been multi-game suspension. They should also take into consideration other dirty plays such as the famous SB one.
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I don’t think they really won because I have given up on Colt anyways, but that’s a different issue.
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They need the rule to be changed to leading with the helmet as opposed to having helmet to helmet contact. I know it’s a little more subjective, but whether helmet to helmet occurs is not under the defender’s control, and isn’t what makes a hit dirty.
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We had an argument with a Steeler fan about just that, and the rulebook does say it is illegal to lead with the crown of the helmet. He linked the pdf file. I think a comment above that string got hidden though so the link might not still be there. But then again you are a minion so you can probably see it anyway.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 24, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, leading with the top of your head is illegal, regardless of where you hit the other player. Pretty sure they call it spearing.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 24, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
This is right. Doesn’t matter the player, or where on the field.
You cannot lead with the crown of your helmet. It is rarely called.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 24, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Are these the 2011 rules? I would like that link. I’ll look for it.
In any event, the incidental helmet to helmet “contact” that occurs when two helmets brush by one another on a great form tackle needs to remain legal. Players can be playing the way the NFL wants them to and this can still happen and still get flagged.
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Pretty sure it was the 2011 rulebook.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 24, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
It was in the thread where one of our posters attacked a visitor’s Christianity I think.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 24, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
I remember that happening, I don’t remember where it was. I’ll keep looking.
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Also, thanks.
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No prob.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 25, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with rufio that accidental helmet-to-helmet shouldn’t be flagged. There are numerous situations with the way a player tackles another where it can be accidental, but I don’t remember ever seeing a helmet-to-helmet from Harrison that wasn’t intentional.
I think it’s unfortunate for the players that the referees aren’t allowed to review penalties with replay like us viewers at home get a chance to. During the speed of the game yeah it can be hard to tell if a player intended to hit helmet-to-helmet, but slowing it down in replay it’s usually pretty blatant if it was intentional or not. Yeah, I’m sure there would be a lot confusion if that became true, but when I watch any game it’s usually pretty easy to judge the difference from accidental and intentional as well as the severity.
BTW if I’m not mistaken the no spearing rule was implemented prior to last years season. I definitely know it’s a rule now though because I remember hearing about it on the radio and talking about it with my old boss from back home.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Dec 24, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
In this same vein, Phil Taylor got a penalty and fined 15k for trying to swat a pass and his hand accidentally touched rothlisbergers helmet. Those calls are ridiculous too.
The NFL is no stranger to judgement calls. Can they please start taking intent and reoccurring actions more seriously and leave the accidental contact alone?
Remember, the league just recently changed the rule on face masking penalties. Used to be 5 yard incidental and a 15 yard flagrant. Now there is just a 15 yard variety take the subjectiveness out of it. I think the league prefers to take the judgement of the ref out of the equation if at all possible.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Which I think is the point HenryDawg was making in that the refs should only throw the flag on obvious intent to hurt such as grabbing and twisting the facemask as opposed to lightly brushing it. The same judgement can easily be made if a player swats at a pass and accidentally bumps the QBs helmet as opposed to clothes lining the QB to the ground without making a play on the ball.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Dec 27, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I know most people here don’t care for Grossi, but this is pretty damn funny in an interview with Mike Tomlin:
Q: At which point in his career do you think he made the conscious decision to be a headhunter?
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/12/browns_not_seeking_revenge_aga.html
he trolled the hell out of thomlin
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Question: Then how do you explain the repeated offenses?
Tomlin: They’re unfortunate plays.
At first I laughed at Tomlin’s comment, but after thinking about it for a minute it’s rather frightening. The key term is repeated. Harrison, whether intentionally or unintentionally, has become a repeated offender of illegal hits. Yes, he’s being penalized, but shouldn’t the penalty get stricter and stricter after each offense?
Grossi reports that this is Harrison’s 6th offense in 3 seasons. So it’s taken the league 5 offenses in 3 years to suspend Harrison for one game? That’s ridiculous. Suh was penalized 2 games for a stomp that was not even close to being as big of a threat to the opposing player as Harrison’s style of play on any given Sunday.
If all Harrison’s hit are considered “unfortunate plays” then the NFL really needs to look into the Pittsburgh organization for any moral integrity as this philosophy could easily apply to other incidents such as Roethlisberger’s rape allegations. It’s just unfortunate, huh? A little slap on the wrist and it all goes away while someone off in the shadows gets seriously damaged by their lack of character. Pathetic.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Dec 29, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
James Harrison
This is only my opinion…. James Harrison will stop playing dirty when a 300+ pound offensive lineman spears him with his helmet in the ribs or head. Sometimes you need to experience the pain you inflict on others before you change your ways.
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