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Shurmur: Getting Back at James Harrison, and Hardesty's Reduction in Playing Time

Cleveland Browns head coach Pat Shurmur met with the local media on Wednesday and was asked 14 questions about Colt McCoy, much of which netted the same type of answers we've been accustomed to. I did not highlight those responses after the jump, but I did highlight some good nuggets about the playing time of Carlton Mitchell and Montario Hardesty, how right tackle Tony Pashos is doing, and whether his team will retaliate against linebacker James Harrison. [Read full press conference transcript here]

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(On some sacks this season coming from the right side of the offensive line and Tony Pashos’ pass protection)- "Tony has fought through this season. He’s had some injuries he’s fought through. I think Tony has battled hard this year and we played each week against some guys that are pretty fine pass rushers. I wouldn’t say we’re getting more pressure at the right tackle spot than we are other places. There’s times our right side or their left side gets the sack, but it could be because there was pressure someplace else. I appreciate Tony. He’s very tough. He has to miss some time during the week so we can keep him going. When he plays on Sunday, he’s a very tough and a very physical guy. He’s fighting."

(On if parts of Carlton Mitchell’s game have taken long to develop than expected)- "I don’t know. He’s a player I’m getting to know a lot better. He had an injury during training camp and missed some very valuable time because he would’ve gotten a lot of snaps in the preseason. That’s where a guy that’s a role player trying to make the team gets a lot of work. I think if you ask him he’d probably say that maybe set him back a little bit. Through the practices, he runs fast, he’s a big target and he had an opportunity to play last week. He caught two and dropped one."

(On Montario Hardesty being active and not playing for the second week in a row)- "Peyton (Hillis) was going real well and we spelled him a little bit with Chris Ogbonnaya. There’s nothing to that."

(On if Hardesty’s calf is keeping him from playing)- "He’s still coming back. He’s not 100 percent, but if we put him in the game I’m sure he’ll do well."

(On if he would like to see his team retaliate to guys like James Harrison)- "Do you mean start a fight? A bench clearing brawl? No, what I want my guys to do is play fast and physical from the snap until the whistle. That’s what I want my guys to do. We’ve seen around the league and we know that when you do stuff that’s beyond the whistle and you do things that get outside yourself, you end up hurting the team. I don’t think we want that. Take care of your business between the snap and the whistle."

(On if there is a way to retaliate legally)- "You get after them based on how you play the game, based on the rules of the game. If you’re assigned to block a certain player, you block that player. If you’re assigned to tackle a certain player, you tackle him. If you’re designed to defeat a block, you defeat the block and go get the ball carrier. If you’re designed to cover somebody, you cover that guy. If the ball goes your way you either pick it off or break it up. That’s what we do. I think that’s how you handle it. I think I understand where you guys are going with this, but I think it’s very important you play fast and physical within the rules."

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I think I understand where you guys are going with this, but I think it’s very important you play fast and physical within the rules.

Which means, “We have one play specifically designed where Peyton Hillis and JT will run over Harrison’s face.” Of course, if Shurmur made it that blatant we would lose the whole surprise.

Honor. Courage. Commitment.

by Brownsbacker488 on Dec 28, 2011 11:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

ah yes, the old element-in-disguise-play…

by athensdawg on Dec 29, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

If Colt plays, just tell him to pretend Harrison is MoMass for a play.

by VolkovNB on Dec 29, 2011 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I need to start watching these pressers and make a drinking game out of it. Every time Shurmer says “fought” or “battled” you take a drink…looks like its gonna be a short game. Speaking of drinking games with repetetive sayings, I was “happy” to be able to watch the Cavs last night with the LeaguePass free preview and hear “Deep In Tha Palace”

Dawgs By Nature - The REAL International House of Pancakes

by Gabe Durrant on Dec 29, 2011 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Every time Shurmer says "fought" or "battled" you take a drink…

If you just did that for battled you’d need a new liver after just one season.

....just need a guy called Byner to play RT...

by LondonBrown on Dec 29, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

That is my understanding.

Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by North Coast Flea on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

if you added a drink for every time he says “so that’s where we are at” you wold be passed out after 3-4 minutes.

by PaduaDSP on Dec 29, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

If you add another shot for “that is/was my understanding” you would die of alcohol poisoning.

Dawgs By Nature: Holy Joe Thomas we suck

by Adrock2099 on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve decided this actually sounds quite good, I’ll start playing about 4pm Sunday.

....just need a guy called Byner to play RT...

by LondonBrown on Dec 29, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a good idea for a New Years Eve drinking game.

by mgtbfb on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey are the Cavs that good or does Detroit really suck that bad?

by HenryDawg on Dec 29, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Cleveland State might be able to beat the Pistons but still, it’s nice to see the torch someone.

by mgtbfb on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

detroit is worse than cat vomit. that being said, the Cavs were pretty fun to watch,

Dawgs By Nature - The REAL International House of Pancakes

by Gabe Durrant on Dec 30, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

that sounds even more awesome than my Arrested Development drinking game.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 29, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I have it written down. basically drink whenever a character exhibits a mannerism (Gob, Failed experiment or “come on”, Tobias acting gay/gay innuendo, lucille drinking/being critical, etc…)

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 29, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You won't survive!

Michael reminding someone the Bluths are a family, and families stick together…

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

like herpes.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by pwndabear on Dec 29, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

like siblings waving yellow towels

by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 31, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

i really REALLY think we need to see harrison get knocked out of the nfl for good.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by pwndabear on Dec 29, 2011 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, removing physical players would make professional football so much better to watch. I love the fact quarterbacks and wide receivers are shattering long-standing records and making the game from 20 years ago seem like a joke. It’s even more fun watching the league’s 15th-ranked scoring defense (heading into Week 16) go 14-1.

After all, they’ve got corporate sponsors to suck up to, and angry black men don’t make rich white owners comfortable. Better make sure they’re put in their proper place!

Remember that awful period of time when running backs actually mattered? When 3 or 4 of the league’s best running offenses aren’t already preparing for the draft? That was a brutal stretch of years…I can’t even imagine when, in 2002, not one team averaged more than 28 points a year – now we have four of them. Not one of those four teams are any good defensively, but hey, who cares? Today, don’t need defense to qualify for the playoffs (GB, NE, NO and DET). We want points!

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, removing physical players would make professional football so much better to watch.

There’s a difference between physical players and players like James Harrison. Physical players like Ray Lewis and Troy Polamalu do NOT continually break rules such helmet to helmet contact intentionally in an attempt to cause significant physical injury.

and angry black men don’t make rich white owners comfortable. Better make sure they’re put in their proper place!

oh jesus, thats a bunch of horsesh*t. ‘Angry’ black men have nothing to do with it. Owners don’t want IDIOTS…guys who act like jackasses either on or off the field. And even still, if they produce on the field owners will put up with alot. Tired of that old cliche that you just trotted out. It’s divisive, has no relevance to the discussion, and quite frankly its pretty f*cking pathetic.

by jonnyphoenix on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You know you’ve struck a nerve when someone’s only retaliation is swearing like a sailor. At least be a man and take the asterisks out. I get the feeling you aren’t saving anyone’s eyes/ears on here.

Goodell himself had said Harrison had cleaned his game up from Week 10 last season through Week 13 this season – that’s why he rescinded part of his fine. No other fines, no penalties for shots to the head for 16 games (including the playoffs).

One hit which I’ve never said was clean merits a suspension when other “repeat” offenders had multiple penalties for that kind of action? Brandon Merriweather? Dunta Robinson? Ray Lewis? No one said anything about suspension, yet, they have done the same thing Harrison has many times.

Tell me that has nothing to do with Harrison’s comments to Men’s Journal.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ray Lewis is not the “repeat” offender of these other players. He got slapped with a H2H in 2009 and got one again this year that I believe wasn’t even ruled a penalty. That doesn’t fit the m.o. of a “repeat offender”.

merriweather has only 2 H2Hs in the last 2 years, same with Dunta, compared to Harrison’s 3 just against the Browns in the last 2 years.

Dunta’s this year was clearly not on the same scales as any of Harrison’s, occasionally because of momentum a hit is extremely hard to avoid (and while it may have been avoidable, it would have been extremely difficult and would have involved not making the hit in the first place). IIRC, merriweather’s this year was also not on that same level.

You can say “oh, it’s because Goodell has it out for Harrison” but that is over-complicating things when the answer is much more simple. Harrison has been consistently dirtier for longer than these players.

(Obligitory mention of dirty SB play)

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 29, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t speak for all of their dirty hits, but I think Robinson’s decapitation of Desean Jackson and Meriweather’s launching shot at Todd Heap were every bit as bad as Harrison’s hits. I think they both deserved suspensions.

by Legoman0721 on Dec 29, 2011 9:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

yes, but those were last year before the suspension precedent was set and they were first time offenders at that point. It would have caused a ruckus with the players union to start suspending 1st time offenders and that was all before the crackdown mid-season.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 30, 2011 5:06 AM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't at midseason, it was in Week 6

And both Robinson and Merriweather have gotten more fines than Harrison has since that time. Yet, Harrison is the only one anyone speaks of in terms of suspensions.

All I’m saying is it should be consistent. Darnell Dockett is a repeat offender, he had two infractions against Cincinnati last week, no talk at all of a suspension. Just a $30,000 fine ($15k x 2).

by Neal Coolong on Dec 31, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet, Harrison is the only one anyone speaks of in terms of suspensions.

Neither of them have had a hit in 2012 that anyone outside of a Steelers fan trying to justify the Harrison suspension would deem “suspension-worthy”

Darnell Dockett is a repeat offender, he had two infractions against Cincinnati last week, no talk at all of a suspension. Just a $30,000 fine ($15k x 2).

when was his last offense? What was it? How many times in the last 2 seasons has he had serious offenses? Any H2Hs?

You keep talking about this infraction and that infraction, but the key thing is that not all infractions are equal. Some are worse than others and inherently deserve a harsher punishment. It’s not bias, it’s logic.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 31, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Physical players or dirty players? Because I have no issue with being physical, but what your boy is doing is blatant, everyone knows it, and the only people that seem not shake their head in disgust is the Steelers and their fans.

by SBP on Dec 29, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve seen plenty of Ray Lewis hits get flagged and fined. The difference is he didn’t spout off in a magazine about his thoughts of the commissioner (which I’m sure he agrees with).

London Fletcher of the Redskins gooned two Vikings players last week, he’s a repeat offender, yet, no one’s talking about suspension for him. Why is that? Because Goodell’s got an ax to grind with Harrison.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

does Goodell have an ax to grind with Derrick mason or Chester Pitts? Is he waging a secret vendetta against them? These players were also critical of Goodell and were quite vocal about it. They were not interviewed for a personal article, but the quotes circled around the media just as quick and as wide as Harrison’s quotes.

If these players were seriously putting in danger other players on the field, Goodell would be having a “vendetta” or an “ax to grind” with them. Since they are not, they are no problem even though their words were harsh and offensive.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 29, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

None of these players you list have been fined 6 times in three seasons.

Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by North Coast Flea on Dec 30, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by pwndabear on Dec 29, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by pwndabear on Dec 29, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I see…so partaking in a conversation with fans of my team’s next opponent about current (past) events in the NFL is discouraged here?

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by pwndabear on Dec 29, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You seem to have an affinity for Oprah, Justin Bieber and thinking I’m mad.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by pwndabear on Dec 29, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

What does being black have to do with it? Two of the dirtiest guys in NFL history were white (Conrad Dobler and Bill Romanowski). Anyone who’s played even pee wee football has been shown how to tackle and been taught that you do not lead with your head. You can blow someone up while still tackling properly in a manner that will reduce the risk of injury to yourself and others.

I’m actually shocked that Harrison hasn’t broken his own neck yet. I’m going to bet that he’s a vegetable 10 years after his career ends from all the head to head shots he’s dished out.

by mgtbfb on Dec 29, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone who’s played even pee wee football has been shown how to tackle and been taught that you do not lead with your head.

And anyone who’s played football AND taken physics/human anatomy knows your head heads above everything if you are lowering your shoulder (which is what you’re taught to do).

Poor technique? Yes. He’s absolutely THE ONLY player in the league accused of poor form. I know he’s one of two players to get suspended for something that happened between the whistles, and he’s the only one to pop off about the thin-skinned commissioner in the media.

Goodell can’t handle criticism, someone speaks out against the direction of the league, and he holds a grudge clear through 3/4s of the year before exacting his revenge. The owners get to keep boat-rockers in line by letting Goodell have the power to decide on his own to enforce certain rules, set new precedent on whatever whim on which he chooses to act and do everything he can to keep them in line.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by pwndabear on Dec 29, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

They seem to be dealing it just fine

Certainly not the first time he’s been the target of soap box screaming and public high-horsing.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by pwndabear on Dec 29, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And anyone who’s played football AND taken physics/human anatomy knows your head heads above everything if you are lowering your shoulder (which is what you’re taught to do).

You’re also taught to see what you hit until you hit. Bury your facemask into their numbers. What Harrison does, leading with the crown of his helmet, is clearly stated as illegal in the 2011 NFL rulebook as linked to us in a .pdf from someone else over at BTSC. Harrison has been told for three years through fines that that crap is dirty and he needs to cut it out. If anything Goodell has been way too lenient on Harrison to let this crap go on this long since he plays for one of the big money teams. Plenty of other players publicly state their dislike and ill opinions on Goodell and he doesn’t hunt after them so come off this vendetta crap.

Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by North Coast Flea on Dec 30, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I posted the link to the rulebook on BTSC

I understand what the rule is, I never said what Harrison did was “proper” from a technical standpoint. This is the entire problem; you just want to believe I’m defending what he did. My point is he has a personal issue with Harrison because what Harrison did, from a historical perspective, merits a penalty and a fine. Never before has it merited a suspension, and plenty of players now have done what Harrison has done.

If you want to rail on about him being a repeat offender, that’s fine, again, I never said what he did was right. He’s clearly treated differently than other repeat offenders, and I believe that is due to the fact he’s spoken so bluntly about Goodell. No one else who spoke out against him was so vicious about it.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 31, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, removing physical players would make professional football so much better to watch. I love the fact quarterbacks and wide receivers are shattering long-standing records and making the game from 20 years ago seem like a joke.

one does not have to do with the other.

It is completely ludicrous and, to be honest, flat out dumb to say or even imply that the enforcement of helmet to helmet hits, a clear danger to long term mental health of players, is why Drew Brees broke marino’s record.

If you want to blame anything, blame the NFL for seriously cracking down on ANY contact on the WR past 5 yards and giving the refs so much leeway to make some ridiculous PI calls. One of the hardest jobs in the NFL has become the CB position because of this. None of this has to do with Harrison launching his helmet at other players.

I don’t mind physicality. I like a physical game as long as players play clean. I don’t like the idea of a guy bashing people in the helmet like that just because he feels like it. It’s not safe to the other players and he is a serious hazard to everyone around him. These guys are warriors, but it is unfair to force them to deal with a maniac who doesn’t care if he gives them debilitating brain damage.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 29, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Put the players back in leather helmets with no padding and remove the facemasks.
The player who leads with the helmet isn’t feeling enough physical pain on the hit to deter him.

by tribe71 on Dec 29, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

and the first hit where someone leads with their head and seriously hurts the other player even more?

It’s a nice idea, but there is no quick fix here.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 29, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

To seriously hurt the ball carrier, without the modern helmet, the tackler’s head is going to take damage also.

It is my understanding that shortly after the appearance of the modern helmet, coaches coached the players to use it as a weapon while tackling.

by tribe71 on Dec 29, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It is my understanding that someone would die if we went back to leather helmets.

It’s just a horrible idea.

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by rufio on Dec 30, 2011 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know if any of you read the TMQ column on ESPN, but he’s advocated putting soft shells on the outsides of modern helmets to help cut down on the helmet-as-a-weapon hits.

by Legoman0721 on Dec 31, 2011 11:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

There’s also Rufio’s favorite idea in Spaceballs helmets.

Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by North Coast Flea on Dec 31, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I agree completely. The only way to stop “helmet-to-helmet” hits is to remove the helmet. And yes, I’m being serious. If that isn’t an option, enforcing safety only for players on one side of the ball is beyond stupid.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 31, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

one does not have to do with the other.

It is completely ludicrous and, to be honest, flat out dumb to say or even imply that the enforcement of helmet to helmet hits, a clear danger to long term mental health of players, is why Drew Brees broke marino’s record.

I really think you need more hyperbole in here. Is it plain-and-simple idiotic too?

What I don’t understand is how you can completely dismiss what I’m saying – a lack of physicality and an over-enforcement of regulation on defensive players – as a reason why offense has increased dramatically, and a long-standing record held by one of the best ever to play was broken in 15 games.

But, then you say:

If you want to blame anything, blame the NFL for seriously cracking down on ANY contact on the WR past 5 yards and giving the refs so much leeway to make some ridiculous PI calls. One of the hardest jobs in the NFL has become the CB position because of this.

You are saying over-regulation on the defensive side of the ball at least has a factor in it. That’s the same thing I said. You just hate the fact Harrison is being used as an example.

These guys are warriors, but it is unfair to force them to deal with a maniac who doesn’t care if he gives them debilitating brain damage.

Again, this is more in-the-box thinking by Harrison Haters. I don’t suppose you’re aware of why Harrison missed four games from a broken orbital bone in his eye…he was hit by the crown of OT Duane Brown’s helmet.

That’s ok though, right? Cuz it’s Harrison, and he’s the only one playing dirty. Your argument is so one-sided and pathetic I’m not even sure why I’m continuing it.

Fact of the matter is Harrison has been successfully painted by the NFL as the only player who’s outside the rules. If you’re so concerned with the safety of players, why aren’t you upset over the fact the rulebook says helmet-to-helmet hits are only illegal when a defensive player strikes an offensive player? They’re both wearing helmets, but players on the offensive side are allowed to use them, and defensive players are not.

And don’t give me the “leading with his head” garbage. Tell me Peyton Hillis doesn’t run with his head aimed at the defensive player coming at him. Or Adrian Peterson. Or any running back inside the tackles. When an offensive player does it, he’s “lowering his shoulder.”

Brown pulled out to his left, lowered his head and smashed it into Harrison’s after he got a seven-yard running start. That play is completely legal, and it’s the EXACT SAME THING as what Harrison did to McCoy, but Brown is twice Harrison’s size and had a full head of steam.

Totally legal play. No flag, certainly no fine. But Harrison’s the bad guy, Brown is just a good lineman making a good play.

Don’t preach about safety if you aren’t looking at everything that’s going on. You clearly don’t understand the issue, nor do you want to. Keep following the path Goodell wants you to follow; he’s concerned with safety, Harrison is the one bad apple in an otherwise cleanly played game managed evenly by competent leaders.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 31, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

There is so much wrong with this comment and your whole argument in general that it can all be somewhat sumed up in this picture:

Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by North Coast Flea on Dec 31, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Ok, fine. Whatever. I’m not the one with his head in the sand. There’s some opinion in this, yes, and it’s fine if you disagree, but most of this is factual. The rules protect quarterbacks and receivers, therefore, they’re saying defensive players are the ones in need of regulation.

It provides no protection for anyone else except punters and kickers, so I don’t want to hear any BS rhetoric about how Goodell is trying to enforce player safety. He’s doing it to defend the owners in the inevitable lawsuit (which has already started by your former player Jamal Lewis), and to increase offensive production. If defensive players are less willing to hit quarterbacks and receivers, point totals increase. Quarterbacks become god-like figures, ratings go up, and eventually the massive TV contracts expire and the NFL ups the price.

Or is it a complete coincidence Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Tom Brady are having three of the greatest passing years in the history of the game?

I’d love to hear your argument to the contrary, but your cute pictures are fun too.

It’s “summed” by the way.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 31, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s some opinion in this,

REALLY????

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 31, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s "summed" by the way.

Typos, they happen.

The rules protect quarterbacks and receivers, therefore, they’re saying defensive players are the ones in need of regulation.

It provides no protection for anyone else except punters and kickers, so I don’t want to hear any BS rhetoric about how Goodell is trying to enforce player safety. Are you forgetting the "Hines Ward rule from after he broke that linebacker’s jaw? It’s illegal to hit any defenseless player, not just WR QB P and K.

Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by North Coast Flea on Jan 1, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

blockquote fail

Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by North Coast Flea on Jan 1, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You are saying over-regulation on the defensive side of the ball at least has a factor in it. That’s the same thing I said.

not even close. Below is your response to someone saying Harrison should get kicked out of the NFL.

Yes, removing physical players would make professional football so much better to watch. I love the fact quarterbacks and wide receivers are shattering long-standing records and making the game from 20 years ago seem like a joke.

The “physical players” is clearly referencing Harrison and his play. Your whole problem is complete over-generalization. You seem to imply that all infractions are the same before and also that all crackdowns on the D are the same. They are not.

H2H hits are clearly illegal because of safety reasons. stricter PI penalties? I have no freakin’ clue. Certainly not safety

he was hit by the crown of OT Duane Brown’s helmet.

That’s ok though, right? Cuz it’s Harrison, and he’s the only one playing dirty.

actually, it’s not okay but thanks for putting words into my mouth. Brown should have gotten a penalty and a fine, if he did not.

Your argument is so one-sided and pathetic I’m not even sure why I’m continuing it.

right back at ya. Your argument is so pathetic, you have to resort to putting words in other people’s mouths.

They’re both wearing helmets, but players on the offensive side are allowed to use them, and defensive players are not.

they probably should be illegal, but the good news is that the cases aren’t at all rampant. You are arguing an irrelevant point.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 31, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the best way to retaliate is to beat their dirty asses. If Pittsburgh wins, they have a shot at the top seed, and if we win, then they are pretty much a lock for number 5. That way they have to play an extra game and Roethlisburger is playing on a bum ankle. Whether or not this matters remains to be seen, but it is the best shot at seeing Pittsburgh beat out of the play-offs.

by duke4711 on Dec 29, 2011 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

I would actually rather see them get the snot beat out of them by the Packers again. Get their hopes up and then Rodgers just completely deflates them.

I take this optimism shit seriously.

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by The Licensed Optimist on Dec 29, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

31-25?

Yeah, total ass whipping, especially when they had the ball under two minutes to go.

And I think it’s great a self-proclaimed “optimist” would rather another team beat your rival rather than your own team.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by pwndabear on Dec 29, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You spend way too much time on those things

Very clever, though…all I know is you guys care far more about Harrison than we care about any player you have, or have had since Kellen Winslow.

Whatever happened to that guy, anyway?

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by pwndabear on Dec 29, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I dunno why, but these last two were just amazing.

I teach good life choices. That's why I almost didn't graduate high school.

by bross09 on Dec 29, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear ya, Duke. As much as I want the highest draft position possible…I would rather beat the shit out of the Steelers this weekend! I simply detest them. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the last game last season when they embarrassed us. I still remember feeling nothing but hatred for Mike Tomlin calling for a challenge when they were comfortably beating us late in the game. I downright loathe that damn team. Okay…I’m done!!!!

The Drive, The Fumble, The Shot and The Decision define me. I live, die and breathe Cleveland Sports. The Browns will make us proud some day. When that day comes...I will be complete.

by Rounds94 on Dec 29, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Pittsburgh wouldn’t “pretty much” be a lock for the 5, they would be the 5.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

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