Around the Pound (2/24): Wimbley Gets Tagged, McCoy's Arm Strength
by Chris Pokorny on Feb 24, 2011 11:42 PM EST
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PrintIn tonight's edition of Around the Pound, we take a look at a few things the Oakland Raiders did Thursday, what Mike Lombardi had to say about the Browns' Colt McCoy, an interview from good old Kelly Holcomb, and more.
Kamerion Wimbley Tagged, Stanford Routt Large Contract
Since when did it become trendy to tag players having some affiliation with the Cleveland Browns? The Browns used the franchise tag on Phil Dawson earlier in the week, and on Thursday the Oakland Raiders used it on linebacker Kamerion Wimbley. The former Brown led Oakland with nine sacks last year and is now set to make an astounding $10.1 million next season! The team will reportedly try to reach a new long-term contract with him.
The Raiders also agreed to a three-year, $31.5 million extension with cornerback Stanford Routt. The Raiders have re-signed a ton of their defensive talent the past few days, leading me further to believe that Nnamdi Asomugha will hit free agency and find another team to pay him an outrageous contract. I like Asomugha's talent, but there is no way I want Cleveland to pursue him anymore given the type of contract I know he will command.
Lombardi on Colt McCoy - Arm Strength Needs to Improve
Michael Lombardi spoke out on Browns quarterback Colt McCoy at the NFL Combine, saying the youngster needs to improve his arm and body strength:
"I think Colt did a really good job for a young quarterback,'' Lombardi said at the NFL Combine here. "I think durability, I think his body's got to get bigger, his body's got to get stronger, his arm's got to improve. He's got to follow the same thing that (Green Bay's) Aaron Rodgers did. For him to take the next step, he's got to really recondition his body. To play in the NFL, 16 games, 60 minutes and to take the pounding quarterbacks take, if your body's not ready it's not going to be able to do it."
Walker: Summary of AFC North Coaching Changes
In case you have been living under a rock, Pat Shurmur is the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Seriously, though, in this article, ESPN's James Walker does a nice job highlighting all of the major coaching changes in the AFC North. I'd say it is worth a read, especially when you compare the offensive changes that will be made in Cleveland and Cincinnati.
Kelly Holcomb Interview
Ah, the memories. In an interview on Cleveland.com, the only quarterback to play in a postseason game for the Browns post-1999 talks about that playoff game against Pittsburgh, Colt McCoy, and the current coaching staff for the Browns. Hey, forget keeping Seneca Wallace or Jake Delhomme; let's dig Holcomb out of retirement and have him air it out. After all, he did work with an offense that often used four receiver sets.
Off-Beat Notes
- So, Charlie Sheen and company are supposedly in the works to possibly do a third "Major League" movie. Sadly, Roger Dorn is not expected to reprise his role:
"This time around, the Indians convince Vaughn, Willie Hayes (Wesley Snipes), and Pedro Cerrano (Dennis Haysbert) to re-join the team as bench players to help salvage their season, but complications ensue when Vaughn’s long-estranged son, born out of wedlock, joins the team from the minors."
- Not that it was bad, but I thought the Todd Packer episode would have a few more laugh out loud moments. Nonetheless, as the episodes move on, I know it is only a matter of time before "Michael Scott's" final episode.
- Seems like most Cavaliers fans are quite pleased with the deals the team made before the deadline. Two high picks in the first round isn't bad regardless of how "weak" the draft class is perceived. Head over to Fear the Sword for the latest.
- I took enough statistics courses to know what that sample sizes to a certain extent are representative of the population as a whole. With that said, I just get the feeling that the Nielson ratings for television shows are horribly inaccurate. Not many families have a Nielson box, and I can't imagine it does a fair job accounting for differences across regions, shows in which one person vs. an entire family watches all at once, etc. The DVR+7 ratings are being added in sometimes now, but I still think a better measuring system needs to be developed. In short, save Fringe please!
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Kelly Holcomb is all i gotta say about that.
Glad to see the Cavs aren’t selling. Very happy that Hickson wasn’t moved. If that would have been moved, would have lost respect for them. But to see they are keeping a foundation while gaining a veteran point and getting another top10 pick is quite a move
by The naome40 on Feb 25, 2011 4:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow!! nothing lime posting at 4 in the morning
by The naome40 on Feb 25, 2011 4:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
dude, the cavs have no foundation. moving hickson would have changed nothing.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 25, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hickson is the foundation.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Feb 25, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
That is a weak ass foundation.
I would have traded Hickson in a heartbeat. I don’t think he will ever be able to shoot
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 25, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
So who would you have traded for him? A vet, a pick?
by The naome40 on Feb 25, 2011 7:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think there’s any shot that we could have gotten a fair value for him.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Hickson is part of the future. He could be a consistent 20/10 guy. I wouldn’t hesitate to trade anyone for good value, but I don’t think we could get it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Feb 26, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
at this point, hickson is only slightly more likely to be a consistent 20/10 NBA guy than i am. he is talented, but he is a long, long way from that level.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 26, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
As a starting center he averages 15 and 12 in 21 games, which is exactly half of his starts this season. He’s not too far off.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Feb 26, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
and that sums up the problem quite nicely
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 25, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I have to say that he has been a nice surprise at starting C. 15/10 with a block a game isn’t too shabby, even on a bad team.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yea. Especially last night against the Knicks. He put up 24 points 15 boards and 5 blocks. No upside though. He sucks!! (sarcasm)
by The naome40 on Feb 26, 2011 9:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Glad to see the Cavs aren’t selling. Very happy that Hickson wasn’t moved. If that would have been moved, would have lost respect for them.
Are you being serious?
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Feb 25, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
I would love to see Colt put on some muscle. Does anyone know how much arm strength a QB can possibly add to his throws? Any examples? At what point do you just have to settle with your genetics?
To me, Drew Brees post surgery and Brady 2007 both seemed like significant jumps from previous years in terms of arm strength – but I have no idea how.
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I think there are 2 solid examples of arm strength improvement since drafting in Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. I think Colt has a chance to improve his arm strength primarily due to his shoulder nerve injury (courtesy of Marcell Dareus). I am unsure how much weight and muschle he can add on though. He is much stronger than he looks, and has worked very hard in this area. He benches over 300lbs. after years of strength and conditioning, and is not naturally a big guy.
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It’s not always about muscle though, I think Brady Quinn has proven that. There are a number of factors that go into arm strength.
if we’re talking about brady quinn — former notre dame and cleveland browns quarterback — then i completely disagree w/ your complete disagreement. velocity isn’t brady quinn’s problem. it’s spiking the ball into the dirt on a 2-yard slant.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 25, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think you have Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson confused.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Feb 25, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
I thought they were interchangeable? Apparently Romeo agreed.
by Dawg Nuts on Feb 25, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Quinn did not have that strong of an arm. He aired them about as well as McCoy does.
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by SpecialBrownie on Feb 25, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, this just isn’t true
in the interest of avoiding another flurry of competing youtube clips and an argument over the definition of “on a rope”, however, i’ll just agree that we’ll all disagree on this one
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 25, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Quinn had better arm strength than McCoy, but his problem was never that he threw too hard. His problem was that he couldn’t be accurate over 10 yards.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Feb 26, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
i think rodgers and brady both had very underrated arm strength when they were drafted. that’s not to say that they haven’t gotten better, but the improvement is more mild.
the good news w/ colt is that both technique (especially leg and hip technique) and added strength should improve his velocity.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 25, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
What? Lombardi didn’t hear Colt say his arm was not 100% yet from his College injury?
"There's a gleam men, there's a gleam!" Marty
Well, in Lombardi’s defense, the injury occurred in a college game. Sure, it was one of the most watched college games but Lombardi reports on PRO football… /sarc
(He also might have been taken a little out of context).
There isn’t another young QB who is smarter and harder working than Colt to make the changes he needs to improve.
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by Spidey on Feb 25, 2011 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They did his draft combine recap yesterday on the nfl network. His workouts on his own were very exciting to watch.
by The naome40 on Feb 25, 2011 9:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Colt did a good job for a young QB . Showed he is able move in and out of the pocket , and has the ability to get the ball out to the second level of receivers. Even his deep sideline throws stayed in bounds giving the receiver the chance to make a play on the ball . Something QB Wallace couldn’t seem to do. I was under the impression that Colt was not complete healthy in his rookie season is this true ?
I was under the impression that Colt was not complete healthy in his rookie season is this true ?
As the story goes…
January 7 2010 / BCS title game Colt took a hit to the back of his right shoulder from Marcell Darius’ helmet resulting in a severe compressed (“pinched”) nerve that affected his right arm (nerves control both feeling and control the muscles – he couldn’t feel his arm, and couldn’t move it very well).
Fast forward one year…
In an interview early this month on the Dan Patrick Show on Feb. 2nd he was asked about his shoulder and responded: "I’m still sort of recovering from the injury," he said. "I wasn’t completely 100 percent healed. There’s some times it still bothers me. I think this offseason of just completely focusing on healing my shoulder and getting it 100 percent will be good for me."
Nerves generally take much longer to heal than other types of tissue (muscle, bone, tendons, etc.). In fact sometimes they never heal (re: people who are paralyzed with back injuries often never recover because the spinal cord, which is essentially just a bundle of nerves is either severed or crushed, and because nerves are very stubborn about healing, in many cases they just never do).
I’ve had two surgeries on my back and a nerve injury in my shoulder and spoken with my neurosurgeon about it – a nerve can take up to a year or sometimes longer to fully heal. In fact the injury that necessitated my 2nd back surgery damaged the nerve that controls my foot and to this day (6 years later) I wear a brace on my left foot / ankle because the nerve controlling the muscle to lift my foot was permanently damaged (crushed) so that muscle has never ‘worked’ since (can’t lift my left foot – its called a ‘foot drop’).
The whole nerve injury issue with Colt concerns the hell out of me, BUT…
There are a couple of encouraging things about Colt’s situation. One is that he is a young guy, and he is more likely to heal and heal faster than an older person. The other thing is apparantly the nerve was not “crushed” – it was just ‘impinged’ (term I got from my neurosurgeon), otherwise he wouldn’t be recovering at all. The fact that there was steady (albeit slow) improvement after his injury indicates that the nerve is healing (fingers crossed…).
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by burntorangeandbrown on Feb 25, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hell I got started on this – might as well finish my train of thought… (sorry – my father was Dean of the medical school at SIU and after my injuries I must have spent 12,000 hours discussing with him and researching this stuff online and it fascinates me now…).
One of the insidious things about nerve injuries is that when a nerve is injured that controls a muscle, until the nerve heals, the muscle begins a slow process of atrophy (the muscle keeps getting weaker because, well, when it isn’t being worked as hard, it keeps getting weaker…). So typically with nerve injuries there are two aspects to the recovery – the healing of the nerve, and as the nerve heals, the recovery and re-strengthening of the muscle (i.e. as the nerve heals it continues sending a more steady / strong signal to the muscle enabling the muscle to be ‘worked out’ and to work harder).
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Feb 25, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the best thing the Browns could do for Colt would be to draft a young stud to become the new standard at right tackle. Playing in AFC North with defense heavy Steelers and Ravens not to mention the Bengals looking at defensive end in the draft. Its no secret that I would love the Browns to trade down and draft Nate Solder. Is he still the best tackle in the draft or has the kid from Wisconsin edged him out yet ? A matter of opinion for the talking heads at ESPN and others. Doug Deiken who became only the third player to play left tackle for the Browns was a converted tightend.
I’m glad the Browns are going to the West Coast offense and the 4-3 defense. If nothing else we will be different than our AFC North counterparts. After years of trying to mirror the smash mouth offense of the division we will be going to a more pass friendly offense which the other teams will have to spend a little extra time to get ready to play against. We also could not seem to gather the players needed to play the same style of defense , at the level of Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
I also think these changes would or could work so much better if we had a roof over the stadium .
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by Brownie's Year on Feb 25, 2011 9:06 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Re: Wimbley tagged, wow. Who could see that one coming?
(even from the Raiders?)
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I could. He’s a much better player than Browns fans ever gave him credit for.
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by golanbatrac on Feb 25, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
No, I’m with you on that one.
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by SpecialBrownie on Feb 25, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
He played a lot in coverage while a Brown (and became quite good at it). I think a lot of what he does doesn’t show up on the stat sheet. Good locker room guy; good against the pass; good against the outside run; good rushing the quarterback. Good in enough areas that he doesn’t have to be stellar in any one area to be of value.
If he became a free agent, I guarantee that he’d have plenty of teams interested.
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i’m with you. i think he’s fine, but he ain’t franchise, $10mm per fine.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 25, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a much better player than Browns fans ever gave him credit for.
Fair point. But being underrated and being worthy of the franchise tag are two different things. Wimbley got franchised for two reasons: 1) Al Davis is crazy, and 2) lockout has made teams much quicker to franchise.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 25, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
well lets look at Wimbley’s 9 sacks in 2010 & who they were against:
Gm 1 TEN 1 sack – TEN was still a solid team at that point and they have one of the best OL’s in the NFL
Gm 2 STL 1 sack – STL is essentially playing a pair of rookie OT’s (Saffold at LT, Brown at RT who missed most of LY w/a concussion issue) and a rookie QB in his 1st road start
Gm 3-6 0 sacks – 4 games of no sacks and 8 of his 13 tackles were vs SD
Gm 7 DEN 1 sack – The Broncos were off B2B games vs BAL & the Jets with the london game vs SF on deck. DEN was already starting to lose faith in McDaniels and while Clady is solid he wasnt 100% healthy and they tried to trade RT Harris.
Gm 8 SEA – 1.5 sacks – SEA is abysmal on the road and Okung was out which didnt help an already bad OL
Gm 9-11 0 sacks – shutout vs 3 physical OL’s KC, MIA & PIT
Gm 12 SD 1 sack – SD was geeked for this game after losing the 1st to OAK but shot themselves in the foot repeatedly. SD was also a bit worn out after facing DEN on MNF IND on SNF & were also looking ahead with KC on deck. Still he did get a sack vs a good QB/OL
Gm 13 JAX – 1/2 sack – Its the Jaguars….they had 2nd year OT’s and an old interior OL.
Gm 14 & 15 – shutout with 1 tackle in each game vs DEN & IND
Gm 16 – 3 sacks – KC had already clinched a playoff spot & were resting. OAK was playing for an 8-8 record and Tom Cable. They cut the dogs loose here and went all out vs a team that didnt care
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