2011 NFL Draft: Cleveland Browns Trade Up to Grab OT Jason Pinkston in 5th Round
You thought the Cleveland Browns were finished in the fifth round after drafting CB Buster Skrine? They weren't. The Browns traded both of their sixth-round draft picks (No. 168 and No. 170 overall) to the Minnesota Vikings. With that pick, the Browns drafted OT Jason Pinkston out of Pittsburgh. I think Pinkston was a tremendous value pick for the fifth round, as I originally projected him to go in round 3 or round 4. He is also teammates with Jabaal Sheard, the defensive end the Browns drafted yesterday in the second round.
While Tom Heckert has stated that Tony Pashos is projected to be their starting right guard, Cleveland was lacking youth on the right side of the offensive line. They don't necessarily have "studs" all of the sudden, but Shawn Lauvao and Pinkston give them some options for the future on the right side of the line. Even if just one of those guys works out to be a starter, it'll be a big "win" for Cleveland. After the jump is a scouting report on Pinkston from Mocking the Draft.
Jason Pinkston
6'4, 305 pounds | Offensive tackle | Pittsburgh
Agility: Pinkston's is not a very fluid athlete and struggles to remain balanced. He plays with a high pad level and he bends at the waste rather than at his knees. These factors lead to a lack of balance and uncoordinated movements. However, Pinkston shows quick feet especially while in his kick slide.
Movement: High pad level and uneven weight distribution result in Pinkston being off center. He is often falling forward and out of control when trying to apply a block. In pass protection, his feet get to wide hurting his ability to anchor after contact. His short arms also lead him to lunging forward and loosing his balance.Pass blocking: Lack of balance and arm length lead to struggles in pass protection for Pinkston. He tends to raise his pad level and over extends his body in order to reach the pass rusher. He has quick feet but that is negated by his lack of balance. Speed and power rushers alike give Pinkston trouble. The speed guys can get underneath him and turn the corner while the power rushers can get into his body and push him backwards. Pinkston is more of a puncher than a Velcro blocker. Overall, Pinkston is going to struggle protecting the passer in the NFL but his quick feet might be his only saving grace.
Quickness: Pinkston has quick feet and is explosive out of his stance. These two attributes are what gives him a fighting chance in pass protection. He is able fire off the ball and get into the defender quickly in the running game.
Run blocking: Keeping his feet underneath him and remaining balanced are problem areas for Pinkston. He has a tendency to lung at his target rather than sitting into his stance and taking solid steps. Pinkston appears to be compensating for his less than idea arm length. He lunges to try and get inside hand placement but it often results in missed blocks. Being off balanced limits the push off the line Pinkston is able to generate. I also question Pinkston football IQ as he appears lost and unable to identify the proper target. This is most noticeable when Pinkston attempts to make a block in the 2nd level.
Strength: Pinkston has strength but his lack of balance limits his playing strength. His natural ability allows him to get some movement on the line but his forward lean limits the potential. Pinkston has a good power punch and is able to recoil quickly. However, he is more of a puncher than a Velcro player and his short arms allow defenders to slip past him.
Technique: Lacking a natural bend hinders Pinkston's ability to sink his hips and anchor. This is compounded by his tendency to play high. Pinkston's steps are long and uncoordinated which lead to poor balance in both the passing and running game. While in his kick slide, Pinkston keeps his hands out in front of him with little wasted motion and this allows him to be an effect puncher.
Final word: Pinkston is not a prospect that I see developing into a contributor in the NFL. He has limited athletic ability and poor overall technique. These problems are closely related as some poor technique is a result of limited athleticism. Pinkston's best fit might be as a right tackle but in order to be successful he needs to work on remaining balanced in the running game. I see Pinkston as a late round tackle prospect.
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Oh right. Well, laugh at him in film.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
he was? why did i not know?
I have missed out on much rejoicing.
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by discoinferno083 on Apr 30, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That was some party. The beer fridge is still missing.
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by LondonBrown on Apr 30, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hekert drafted him for his utility. Says he can possibly play LT, but would rather have him at guard and RT.
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Drafted up because they were afraid he was going to get picked.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Holmgren says this was Shurmer and Heckert’s draft. Said he was heavy in last year’s and held back on this one. Said our initial trade and ability not to reach was marvelous. Enjoyed this draft more than last years.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Holm says we were picking BPA regardless of need. So, if FB was BPA, we took it. Says they’re very happy and excited.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Shurmer says we want big, tough guys.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
lol I was doing the same thing on the other thread.
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I was spliting what they were saying between the specific players.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If you got it, I’ll stop and just listen then.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Pinkston is raw, but he sounds like he could develop into a solid, physical lineman. Maybe better at G.
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I hope so, but I’m not sure I saw a single positive in that scouting report other than that he is strong. I think St. Claire was strong too. Do you have links to any positive info on this guy? I could use a pick-me-up.
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I heard this too, not good at the pass but great in the run.
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by North Coast Flea on Apr 30, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The reports won’t be exceptional, which is why this guy is a 5th rounder. I think a large part of what hampered him were his injuries. He’s big, he seems to have some potential, but any 5th rounder’s chances aren’t good.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I guess that it’s not so much that I was expecting more from a 5th rounder as that I was expecting more from whoever we brought in to play RT. From the sounds of this we might have to sign a FA to have some reasonable depth there.
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There should be an upgrade for us in free agency should we want one. I think we can pick a young RT earlier in a draft when the opportunity presents itself and we can use free agents to plug that hole from year to year if we need.
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If Atlanta’s pick is a low first rounder next year, perhaps we address it there.
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That would be a great place to get one. Just sit back and wait till someone drops to you. If someone wants to trade 2 2nds for your first, you take it. The end of the first round is easy.
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this is a better pick then gettin the tight end from usc! DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY WE GOT THE TE???
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Holmgren and Heckert really really really liked his upside and basketball background. They think he can come in and do some serious damage.
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Three te’s is not a bad idea, especially in our situation. Moore will more than likely split out most of the time. Cameron will probably also split and stretch out the defense. With our receiving core, these te’s will give Mccoy a big solid target and comfort…hopefully
by The naome40 on Apr 30, 2011 6:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, Moore is productive split out wide and I see Cameron in this same role being more a mid range WR than a true TE.
I think they are seeing a Gonzalez/Gates prospect in Cameron which would be pretty sweet and Colt definitely favors these big targets as most shorter QBs do.
Exactly what i see. I am just fine with very athletic tight ends being our strong receivers. Kinda disappointing but what are you gonna do. Moore creates nightmarish matchup problems no matter who is covering him. That sideline catch on Revis was very impressive. I believe the skill set with tight ends nowadays is turning into the ideas of Gates, Keller, and Clark
by The naome40 on Apr 30, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Goal line formation generally has 3 tight ends.
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by North Coast Flea on Apr 30, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Tight Ends don’t HAVE to line up next to the Lineman. They can line up in the slot too or have him play the H-Back role. He is agile for his size.
We didn’t aways line up moore (or winslow) as a TE. sometimes we split them out wide.
They want to add weapons for mccoy and there are a lot of things you can do with Jordan Cameron once he refines his route running some.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 30, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This draft was reminiscent of a Phil Savage draft for me. Apologize for the negativity – just weird how we give up a blue chip pick early and then chuck away half the picks later by giving way over the value chart. Now – I don’t care about the value chart – but I just don’t get it. If you want Pinkston – you can’t pick him at the end of the 4th instead of a FB?
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And also, if Phil were running the show, we would be without our 1st next year, not plus an extra 1st.
by Roger Dorn on Apr 30, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly I feel like we should throw the “value chart” completely out the window.
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In our case it does demonstrate how good our trade with the Falcons was: the chart overrates the top 10 picks and we still beat the chart.
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I pay no attention to value points. It’s garbage IMO.
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 30, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
…just weird how we give up a blue chip pick early and then chuck away half the picks later by giving way over the value chart
This is exactly my problem with this draft. I thought the whole point of getting more picks was to maximize the chance that you pick a sleeper. If you give them away later on guys that are low in the draft for a lot of compelling reasons, what is the point of trading to get them in the first place? Having more picks just gives you more of a chance of finding that diamond in the ruff. I thought the idea in later rounds was to sort of ignore needs in favor of taking the best on the board AT YOUR PICK. So this perplexes me but I don’t do this full time and don’t have any experience compared to Heckert. Just an observation that I hope the Browns’ front office will prove wrong.
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I agree with you here. I don’t mind trading back up in the first, because at that point you’re still targeting specific players. I am more upset with trading up in the fifth round. Those guys are down there for good reason, can there possibly be someone there who is worth giving up multiple picks?
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It’s my opinion that you move around more in round 5 and later, because the talent is so thin and you should be targeting specific players who you think have value that late. It’s okay to trade up for a guy you like or to find a stop-gap at a position of need. First four rounds, I think you stay put and let the players come to you, and look to take advantage of any team that has fallen in love with a player. There’s enough talent in the first four rounds that if a guy you like doesn’t fall to you, there’s still plenty of starters and potential starters to choose from.
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Yep, Heckert weighed the guys who were on the board against what he thought he could get later, and he thought one guy now had a better chance than two guys later.
And we’re still netting above 7 picks per year, so it isn’t like we are sacrificing the size of our net—we can still cast a wide one. When you trade your whole draft for Ricky WIlliams I can see people being worried about the scarcity of picks, but we still have plenty.
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Yep, this is my line of thinking as well.
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by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the vagaries of NFL careers, the use of ‘value chart’ to judge drafts is useful for discussion purposes only. Greg Little could be a bust or he could be Hines Ward. Who knows at this time?
That said, I gotta tell you, I love the fact that there are people other than me who want to argue about the quality of fifth round picks. We are sick dawgs.
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by JustPlainBrowns on Apr 30, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Granted, he’s a Steeler so, you know, and granted he’s is the consensus dirtiest player in the NFL. But I was referring to not a first rounder, not an impressive time in the 40, nevertheless stellar numbers. I have no idea what people said about Ward when he was drafted in the third round, or what the value chart said about him. I doubt it said 11,000+ yards and Super Bowl MVP.
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From MockingTheDraft my ass. This is a scouting report from CBSsports.com/NFLDraftscout.com.
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Can you link the original one?
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Maybe I’m missing something, but those don’t look the same to me.
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