Some surprises, a few question marks. What's your final take on the draft? (Poll)
Well, as a character on an old show I used to watch would say: Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!
Here's the Browns Draft, in a nutshell (after the jump). What do you think?
(note: all of the "Analysis" summaries are directly copied / pasted from the nfl.com draft tracker web site page...)
Round 1:
Phil Taylor - DL 6'3" 334 Baylor
Analysis: The Browns nabbed a replacement for Shaun Rogers by trading up with the Chiefs. He gives new defensive coordinator Dick Jauron an anchor on the interior of the line. He is ideally suited to man the one-technique spot but could play over the top of the guard as the shaded defensive tackle. His run-stopping skills will certainly help the Browns in a division that features several physical offenses.
Round 2:
Jabaal Sheard - DL 6'3" 264 Pittsburgh
Analysis: Mike Holmgren continues to add pieces to the Browns' defense to help the transition to a 4-3 scheme. Sheard is an energetic rusher off the edge with the speed and quickness to provide consistent pressure. He should be an immediate contributor as a right defensive end in their scheme.
Greg Little - WR 6'3" 220 North Carolina
Analysis: Mike Holmgren finally gives Colt McCoy an explosive weapon in the passing game with the selection of Little. Though he missed his final season due to an NCAA suspension, he has shown signs of being an impact playmaker in the past, and his intriguing skill set could make him a star at the next level.
Round 4:
Jordan Cameron - TE 6'5" 254 USC
Analysis: The former basketball player turned pass catcher is an intriguing addition to the Browns' offense. He has outstanding physical skills and flashed big-time potential during the East-West Shrine game. He could be a wildcard offensive weapon for Colt McCoy in the near future.
Owen Marecic - RB 6'1" 248 Stanford
Analysis: The Browns grab a throwback fullback in the fourth round. Marecic is a whammer at the position with the strength and toughness to move defenders out of the hole. As a two-way player (linebacker-fullback), he becomes a core special teamer immediately for the Browns.
Round 5:
Buster Skrine - DB 5'10" 186 Tennessee-Chattanooga
Analysis: The Browns pick up a speedster with cover skills. Although he flashed some inconsistency in his play, his upside and potential are through the roof. He could become a key backup for the Browns.
Jason Pinkston - OL 6'3" 317 Pittsburgh
Analysis: The Browns pick up a classic "road-grader" in Pinkston. He is an intriguing right tackle prospect with the combination of size, strength and power to develop into a quality pro player.
Round 7:
Eric Hagg - DB 6'1" 209 Nebraska
Analysis: Hagg, if he cracks the team, will provide depth for the Browns initially, and maybe in time he can become something more significant.
And of course, we get two additional picks in 2012 - the 1st and 4th rounders acquired in the trade with Atlanta.
I'm still not sure what to think about all of this - frankly I really don't know much about any of these guys. The only thing I was a bit disappointed about was the move back up in the 1st round and having to give up the 3rd rounder. Seems like maybe that was a bit of a misstep - maybe H & H thought they were going to get (one of x, y, and z players) at #27 but they all got picked so they had to move back up.
What do you think? There was lots of discussion in the 47 threads that have been scrolling by over the last few days, but I'm very curious to hear from the savvy bloggers on DBN - your overall analysis. Did we hit it out of the ballpark. Is it a "Meh". Or is it "in Heckert I trust" for you?
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I also gave it a B+ despite the slight ‘misstep’ in trading back up in the 1st round.
I think there’s a good chance our first FOUR picks will be starters (soon if not right out of the gates). Cameron sounds like he might be good.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 1, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure he’ll be good but, Watson starts as long as he’s healthy. Moore goes in when Ben needs a blow. Cameron most likely replaces Royal, which I’m fine with, but a 6th rounder would have been suffice to replace him.
WOOf! WOOf!
This could be me pretending like I know things I don’t- But doesn’t the WCO use 2 TE sets fairly often? That would make the pick make even more sense.
I dont understand the pick, but I like it. We are now “stacked” at TE. I’’ve always wanted to say that about the Browns. lol
WOOf! WOOf!
whenever you have raw talent like that it makes total sense as long as the player is smart enough to be coached up.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on May 2, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d be pretty surprised if Pinkston starts this year.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on May 1, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now Lauvao has seniority and experience on him and no one is replacing Steinbach unless he blows.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Pinkston is a tackle, so he’ll be trying to overtake Pashos, which I don’t see happening right away barring injury.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on May 1, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not right away but soon, adding value to his 5th rd pick, even though Heckert gave up like two 6th rd picks to get him.
WOOf! WOOf!
I think you’re getting a bit carried away. The guy has a lot of learning to do, and if there was a better than 50/50 chance of him becoming a quality starter he wouldn’t have been picked in the fifth round.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I am not sure the questions with him are all about production but more about injuries. If he can stay healthy, he can become a starter after a year or two in the league (at least that is my guess). He is still risky, but a lot of the risk is health related.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Injury. Singular. 4th game as a starter, sophomore year. Medical redshirted. Has started 38 games since the injury. I dont see more than a slight risk here.
WOOf! WOOf!
He had multiple injuries and there are questions about the health of his knees I have seen.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Please, elaborate. Where have you seen these ‘injury reports’? Only the one in ’06 kept him from starting every week.
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In 2007 and 2008 shoulder injuries (left shoulder injury in 2007, right shoulder injury in 2008) shortened both seasons,
e. Pinkston returned from that injury to start 12 games in 2008, but a right shoulder injury suffered during Sun Bowl practices kept from capping off his season.
In ’07, started the first three contests at right tackle before suffering a left shoulder injury and undergoing season-ending surgery (was granted a medical hardship). Returned to start all 12 games played at left tackle in ’08, but missed the Sun Bowl against Oregon State because of a right shoulder injury. Started all 26 games at left tackle 2009-10. Team captain. Did not lift at the Senior Bowl because of a left shoulder injury.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
The one in ‘07 is the one I was refering to, not ’06. So, he missed only his ’08 Bowl due to a 2nd injury, before returning to start last 26 games. Still, only a slight concern. . I wouldn’t say Pinkston’s “injury prone”. It’s football, everyone gets hurt.
WOOf! WOOf!
Carried away? With what? My optimism for a 5th rounder? I’m okay with that. There were 40 OLs’ drafted. 19 were tackles. Pinkston was the 14th tackle taken. Ahead of DeMarcus Love and Lee Ziemba. Im still finding more and more info on Jason to warrant my Optimism.
WOOf! WOOf!
All I’m saying is you’re probably going to be disappointed if you expect him to start this year.
I’m not sure why being in the bottom third of tackles taken is a positive.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
And yes, I will be disappointed (slightly) if he doesn’t start. But then again if Pashos steps it up and we dont need Pinkston this year, I’ll be happy with that too.
WOOf! WOOf!
Pashos was good when healthy. The only way Pinkston starts is if Pashos gets injured, and then he won’t exactly be earning it.
Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy, and think he has a chance to do well. But lets not overstate how good a fifth round pick is.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
No, he’ll be a guard.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If Pinkston plays this season, something has gone horribly wrong on the right side.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Our right side has already gone horribly wrong.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
by Simmsinns on May 1, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Real rec.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on May 2, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think SB said this already, but Pinkston is slated to be a guard. Shurmur said that was the way it was going to be in the press conference on Friday.
… Although I do remember Shurmur saying that he thinks Pinkston can play both guard and tackle and that he likes the versatility Pinkston brings. So who knows? I think he will be fighting for the RG position and will be a possible back up at RT if Pashos goes down.
if you ask me, i think his size at 6’3 and almost 320lbs. make him a better fit as a guard than tackle.
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on May 2, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Lauvao has virtually no pro experience and even though there’s union, there is no such thing as seniority in pro sports.
WOOf! WOOf!
there is no such thing as seniority in pro sports.
Maybe not.
But there is tribal knowledge.
Edge – Lauvao
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 1, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is definitely seniority. Coaches will not go with an unknown/new player over their guy/a veteran who has shown what he can do. Unless it’s clear that the new guy is head and shoulders above the vet.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Steinbach is on the left side, not the right. who would replace him there?
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on May 1, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted C because of the trade up and the character concerns with our top three picks.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Yes – I was somewhat surprised that the character concerns seemed to be a secondary concern with some of our picks
I am solidly in the ‘character matters – a LOT’ camp. Just hoping Heckert knows what he is doing and they did their due diligence on that front.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 1, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hear, here.
I like the players we took (Fat Fairley in particular), but only if their many problems are truly in the past.
To add to the misery surrounding the wasted third rounder, the Dolphins have said that they tried like hell to get into position to take Mallett. Chances are, we could have turned that third (which was just ahead of the Patriots) into, at the very least, a second next year. Perhaps a first, given their need at the position and the high praise they paid him this morning.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
If thats true there is no question. Waiting till 27 whether we could get Taylor or not would have been worth it. Hind sight is 20/20.
we don’t know this at all.
rumors are that if we didn’t take taylor at 21, the Eagles might have taken him. If we stay there, the results could look totally different and we could miss out on a great player. In that situation, we would likely have to choose between Ras I Dowling, getting a RT in the first, or Wilkerson (who I am not as high on as most).
In hindsight, there were a lot of teams supposedly that wanted taylor and its too early to say that it wasn’t worth it.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Which misses the point entirely. As crazyL80 said ‘whether we could get Taylor or not’.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Is it really worth it?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
If the Dolphins wanted our Third and if we were there to give it I would guess they would have given us a few more picks making the wait till 27 worth while… It doesn’t matter… we got a good deal, we picked up the players that HHS were targeting, we are just over analyzing and talking about what could have been.
IMO, you don’t risk missing an impact player (first round) because you want to keep the 70th pick in the draft.
It is a minor, minor price to pay to get the guy you want.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Would have been the first ever third-for-first trade.
by DontCallMeJoey on May 4, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
i don’t expect these “character flaws” will amount to anything negative in these guys pro career. a lot of us are blinded by Manginis approach to player acquisition looking only for players who are saints. so what if they have a bump or two in the road getting to the pro level? they all have high quality talent and ability. most of Mangini’s guys couldn’t succeed at this level because they never had that kind of talent. sure it looks really nice to have guys with perfect records, but if they’re not producing on the field what are we really rooting for – a super bowl or the nice guys? don’t get me wrong, i’ve lived my own life with common sense morals and values, but i also understand i never had the nasty drive it takes to succeed in football. it’s a nasty sport and we all love it for that reason. it doesn’t make them or us bad people. they’re not felons. they didn’t kill anyone. they made mistakes, payed the price, and have moved on without any other issues. give them a break. if we’re going to over power our rivals like those squealers and ratbirds then we’ll need some nastiness on our team. quite rooting for pansies.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on May 1, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
AJ Green had more issues than either Taylor or Sheard, but you didn’t seem to concerned about that?
Character is more than getting into/not getting into trouble. Taylor and Sheard got into a fight each, the details you know nothing to little about, so I’m not sure on what basis you have all these character concerns?
I’m sick of hearing about these fights. Who cares. Men get in fights. It’s normal. It’s out of your control sometimes. I’ve been in some scuffles throughout life. Mostly on the football field, defending myself or a teammate. Does that make me a bad person? I don’t think so.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I pretty much agree with you guys on the ‘fights’ stuff in general.
But, since I have commented regarding ‘character concerns’ I’d like to clarify…
When I talk about “character concerns”, I really don’t mean ‘squeaky clean’ / ‘goody two shoes’ / etc….
My definition of character attributes (positives, and/or ‘concerns’) would go something like this, in order of relevance:
1. Really, really loves to play football, and it shows in their work ethic and their consistent level of effort on the field.
2. Has some semblance of humility – i.e. not a cocky, arrogant Prima Donna who seems to think they are ‘entitled’, etc.
3. Really, really loves to play football, and it shows in their work ethic and their consistent level of effort on the field.
4. Does not have an obvious / ongoing problem with drug and/or alcohol usage that interferes with their reliability and/or overall health. If they had a problem in the past but it is vetted and clear that have overcome it, fine.
5. No criminal convictions involving violent acts (i.e. serious assault charge, rape, etc.).
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 2, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t sell yourself short, I’m sure there are plenty of other things that make you a bad person.
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
by Dawg Nuts on May 2, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Hahaha Thanks.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
supposedly the other guy was even bigger than 6’3’’ 260, so its a struggle not to get thrown yourself through the window. It seems like he had enough control to take the other guy with him
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Knowing that Phil Taylor is #3 DT in the draft, I’d be willing to bet the other guys went first. He thought he saw a QB on the other side. lol
WOOf! WOOf!
I smell a physics debate!
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I think what we’d all like to know is whether or not Sheard threw the guy through the window ‘on a rope’.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on May 2, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I love me some physics debate!
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on May 2, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Concerned about: Little
Not concerned about: Taylor and Sheard
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
On his one year layoff from football – "It was really tough for me. I learned a tremendous amount of how to deal with success. Just being able to deal with it at such an adverse time, I think I’ve grown a lot from it. A lot of my morals and values have changed so much just from sitting out that year. I’m so hungry and ready to get back and play. It just baffles me sometimes."
On being the Browns number one receiver – "Quite frankly, I just feel like that’s something that is earned, especially in this league. I feel like that is a challenge that I am ready to step up to the plate and accept. I think those are some of the things that push me, that I’m always willing to accept the bigger challenges."
Recent comments from Little.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but he’s got to be in that frame of mind when he’s on the field (and off) now, in the most heated of moments. Much easier to be coached to give a response than to actually mean it and have it show in your actions.
He’s saying the right things, and that’s all he can do right now. He will have his chance to prove it.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
what else did he do wrong aside from accepting things he shouldn’t have from agents that violated NCAA rules? Reggie Bush did as well as Cris Carter and they turned out to be amazing NFL players without any off-the-field issues. not that i am, but i would be more worried about Sheard and Taylor with them being involved in acts of violence. i don’t see any problems coming from any of these guys as far as their character is concerned, but Little should be the least to worry about.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on May 1, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Reggie Bush is an amazing NFL player?
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
he helped the saints win a super bowl. if we have any kind of impact from these “questionable characters” we drafted then i’m all in.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on May 2, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Their long-snapper helped them win the super bowl too, that doesn’t mean he would have been worth the #2 overall pick.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I would say that a career with these numbers helped NO win a SB quite a bit….he was a dangerous weapon for them on offense. I’m not sure where you coming from with this #2 overall pick stuff either. Nobody mentioned this. The only thing mentioned was that Reggie Bush is an amazing player for the Saints and that we can hope we get an impact similiar to his with the Saints.
Rushing
2090yds total 4.0yds/carry 17tds
Receiving
2142yds total 7.3yds/catch 12tds
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Reggie Bush is a good player. But he’s not exactly one of the top players in football. He’s a return man and worth about 10 plays a game on offense. I wouldn’t call that amazing.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Most of what you say is true, but he breaks many of those 10 plays for 20+ yards which gives the whole offense some momentum. I would never call him a Adrian Peterson, but the guy is an explosive weapon for the Saints.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
if reggie bush is such a great player, then why is he worried that Ingram is pushing him out the door in N.O. ?? one that is a great player or very big contributor would not even be worried about that.
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on May 2, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he was such a great player. I said he was an amazing and explosive weapon that helped the Saints win their SB.
As far as him being worried, I wouldn’t believe the news. His major issue with staying in NO is $$$. He is overpaid for his contribution. He definitely helps that team, but he is overpaid.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
He’s a more expensive Danny Woodhead.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Somewhat, yes. I could see the comparison in some regards.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
I want to be clear that I think Bush is a useful player. I would love to have him in Cleveland. But he’s not the game-changer he was hyped to be by any stretch.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on May 3, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
H&H are building a team of big, strong, hard working blue collar players. I dont see any room on our roster for Bush.
WOOf! WOOf!
Correction: Mangini was building a team of big, strong, hard working blue collar players. The jury is out on H&H’s vision for the team.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
You left out the word “average” in your description of Mangini players
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
by Kimble_79 on May 3, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
1 ProBowler does not = a shit ton of average players
I’m assuming your talking about Mack. Besides him there was nobody special.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Aww Geez, not this shit again…
Mangini only had one draft. He inherited a grand total of four picks from Savage (no 3rd, 5th or 7th).
He came out of that draft with a probowl center who we all expect to start for the next ten years, a safety who has started for two straight years and is projected to start again this year, a two year starter at DE, Ratty, two Wideouts that have started for two years and are projected to start again, a back up MLB and special teamer that’s nothing special, and a 6th round corner who was snatched off of the practice squad.
He did this while ridding the roster of malcontents and digging us out of ‘cap hell’.
He whiffed on Veikune and a couple of 6th rounders, but all things considered, I’d say that’s an above average draft. More important, it was exactly what we needed at the time.
Add to that his free agent acquisitions — Benard (our projected starter at DE), Bowens (who started two years and who played a huge role in changing the character of the team), Costanzo (who continues to be a key special teamer), and Hillis and Watson (who were acquired by Heckert at Mangini’s urging).
That’s a lot more than a bunch of average players.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on May 3, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I should know this but who is Ratty? Okay so Mangini didn’t dig the hole any deeper. But, the Browns are better off with Holmgren and Heckert, than Mangini and Daboll. Daboll had to go and Shurmur doesnt trade Bradford for McCoy to remain an OC.
I understand the fact that during his one draft, he didn’t have much to work with. He did make a great trade with the Jets to move down; not arguing that. However, bringing in players that are over the hill and on the decline is average to me. Also, we have no way of knowing whether Bowens was key in changing the character of the team. Outside of Mack (and whatever role he had in Watson and Hillis) he bought Cleveland mediocre players. Those two WR’s you mention above, unless they have some breakout year in 2011 are the living example of mediocre.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Which of Manginis’ two years in Cleveland, would you consider his most successful? How many more Super Bowls has Holmgren ‘led’ teams to than Mangini?Who was influencing who?
Apples and oranges my friend.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on May 4, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Holmgren wasn’t here for Mangini’s first year/draft.
"I wasn’t asked to catch the ball and go out in the flats and run routes, because that wasn’t how our offense was," Lawrence Vickers said. "Now people are lying and people think I can’t catch. I guess I shouldn’t have started knocking people out."
Those are career numbers for a guy set to make $10 mil a year.
The guy had like 400 yrds total offense last season. I see his situational role being somewhat important, but not really that much.
See above. That was my point I talked about. He creates huge mismatches for them and is deadly in open space, but he is overpaid. That will be his main problem for staying in NO.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
There is nothing huge or deadly about Reggie Bush on the football field. He does create mismatches and he’s good in space, but you pretty significantly overstate it here.
Now, at SC … the kid was a weapon of mass destruction w/ the ball in his hands.
by DontCallMeJoey on May 4, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of what the Saints do depends on Bush.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
So much so that they drafted a replacement.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on May 5, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of what the Browns do is dependent on Ben Watson.
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on May 5, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
AJ Green took money this offseason as well. It’s not a big deal.
Failed drug tests, multiple arrests are things I worry about. A bar fight isn’t a big deal to me.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
like i posted elsewhere, i hope jimmie smith turns out as a huge bust for baltimore. now there are character concerns you can’t overlook even with strong leadership like they have. pacman 2.0
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on May 2, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Little is punting balls into the stands after he scores TDs and chirping in a CBs face after he injures the poor guy, both of which drew flags. That, combined with the “diva” tag is concerning. Neither Taylor nor Sheard have done things that egregious on the field.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
We could always have Joe Thomas go over and slap the sh^$ out of him if he starts that crap.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
how about before he starts that crap.
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
by Dawg Nuts on May 2, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
PANCAKE!
JT: That’s for whatever you were thinking of doing.
I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.
id rather see thomas chest bump the crap out of him like he did daboll!!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on May 2, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
These really aren’t serious character issues. I’ll bet most of the men on here who attanded college for any number of years were involved in some sort of fight during their college age years. Difference is most of us aren’t 250-350 lbs and most of us don’t carry a name that anyone cares about. SO when the fight was through we ran home and nothing came of it. Besides all premature charges were dropped against Taylor and Sheard leaving their records clean. Greg Little got caught doing what every player prior to the 1990s did – accept gifts. Accepting gifts is not a crime and translates almost zero into future NFL troubles. In fact I bet he accepts plenty of gifts next year in the way of tv advertisements and car demos from dealerships (Just ask Joe Haden).
by Moving Skrine on May 4, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
B, but that’s mainly because I’ve never seen any of these guys play. Idk what to expect.
by emily522 on May 1, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
J. Pinkston started 38 games at LT for PItt. Pitt had a 1,000 yard rusher in each of his 3 years as a starter. Went to Baldwin High School, in Pittsburgh, where they play high-level H.S. ball.
WOOf! WOOf!
He also has stubby little T-Rex arms, which works at Tackle in college, but gets your QB killed in the pros.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
You think so? I dont see T-Rex when I look at him. NFL.com lists him as 6’3" w/ 34" arm length. I’m 6’1" w/ 32" arm length (from shoulder). People think I have long arms. I think he’s got normal length arms. I understand though if you want a guy with gorilla arms.
WOOf! WOOf!
IIn the scouting reports I’ve read, wingspan has been one of the primary knocks on Pinkston.
This is interesting:
http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2010/4/26/1446128/should-we-be-concerned-that-bryan
Assuming all of this is true, I retract my above comment.
I do think that this writer hits the nail on the head when he writes the following:
Arguably, Joe Thomas is the best OT in the NFL today. So what makes him different from Gallery if his arms were only 1/4 of an inch longer? Perhaps the one reason is this: Joe Thomas can play football!
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on May 1, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Had to go over there and rec that guy’s writeup because of his last sentence.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 1, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw it differently. i think he’ll be pancaked for the word “arguably.”
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by Dawg Nuts on May 1, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It was funny that some didn’t think Thomas’ arms were long enough, I remember that being a knock against him. Pinkston is nowhere near that level, but I think he will play guard due to his lack of athleticism. At least to start.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Playing at guard allows someone with more faults to flourish pretty well. Has more potential help from the center and tackle and is usually never one on one.
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by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
For his height, he has solid arm length. His arms I have seen listed at 34’’ and 34 1/2’’. To put this into perspective, Jah Reid who is 6’7’’ and only projected as a Tackle has 34 3/8’’ arms. 6’6’’ marcus Gilbert has arms of 34’’ and he is purely an OT.
Its not elite arm length for an OT but it should be enough.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Elite arm length is a phrase I’ve never ever heard before.
by DontCallMeJoey on May 4, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
its possible I just made it up…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
by bross09 on May 4, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
From what I understand it is an attribute that can be developed. Its all about stretching (and I don’t mean as in pilates).
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 4, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
REC
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
BTW, someone correct me if I’m wrong, but if memory serves me, Holmgren seemed to state definitively on more than one occasion in press statements / conferences that we would take a QB somewhere in the draft. What happened? Think Delhomme sticks around now and settles for a 3rd string role (and as “mentor in chief”)? Or do we pick someone up if and when free agency kicks in?
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 1, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions
Holmgren says he likes taking QBs late but only if it makes sense to their needs and their board. Also, he said this draft wasn’t his to call, so.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think whether or not Delhomme stays is highly dependent on the CBA situation and what the salary cap will be. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the browns grab an undrafted guy once free agency finally starts.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on May 1, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He said that he believes in taking QBs late. They were joking that they fought over taking one later, but Holmgren didn’t put his foot down to take the guy.
If you look at his drafts in Seattle, they took one often but not all the time. I don’t think it’s a “must-do” thing for Holmgren, just a “we should try to do this” thing.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
The late round QB pick was prolly something that Big Mike was willing to compromise if someone made a strong case to go in a different direction. That is one of the things that pleases me most about our front office now; they work well with each other in pressure situations and are able to reach a consensus. That doesn’t mean that everybody – including Big Mike – always gets what he wants. But, they CAN all live with what they get.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 1, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Way I see it…
If three of these guys start, and two crack the two deep, it’s an A. A+ if one of them (e.g. Little) becomes a stud.
If two guys start, and three crack the two deep, it’s a B.
Any less and it’s a C. C is the lowest grade I can give given that Heckert finageled a first round pick next season.
So, the two additional picks for next year are needed before giving this years draft a final grade.
WOOf! WOOf!
A- minus as it stands now because its easy to forget we’ll still be acquiring talent from this draft, next year. If our first three picks pan out, then we’ll have two first round picks to address LBs, WRs, OL, whatever – it’ll truly be a luxury pick we can use on a playmaker instead of filling needs. How exciting is that? I’m intrigued by Little. A Tampa Bay fan friend of mine texted me immediately after the pick and said something like, “Great pick, Little is this years Mike Williams.” You know how incredible it will be if Little comes anywhere near as solid as Williams?
Anyways I’m pretty stoked about this draft. I was scratching my head a bit in the 4th and 5th rounds, but I’m trusting the management. I don’t think theres any doubt we snagged some studs at TE and FB, the only debate is whether theyre value picks. Thats lightyears better than what some teams are doing, scratching their head as to why the management would pick guys with little talent who fill little need.
Overall, I’m happy. Vereh Happeh.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
A thorough breakdown analysis on Pinkston:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1115001
I find his run blocking attributes especially intriguing. Even with WCO, we’re still a run first team. No matter how much we pray, the weathers never going to be like the west coast.
WOOf! WOOf!
The coaches said in the presser yesterday that Pinkston would be playing guard this year and may eventually move to tackle.
by Roger Dorn on May 1, 2011 2:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thank you, for some reason NTN keeps blowing that off when I say that.
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by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
All I know is, he’s a damn fine OLman. Has played mostly LT, due to being the best OL on his teams(s). He’s coming to Cleveland, to compete for a spot (on the R side) and he will win a spot. Sooner rather than later, he’s most likely starting. And finally, I’m excited to have him.
Better-than-average 5th rd pick. is the difference between a B+ and an A- OVR Draft grade.
WOOf! WOOf!
Uh, what? The only comment I’ve made about it is asking where you heard that from. I was being serious. We banned you for a while in the hopes that you would get better. Comments like this are not encouraging.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
None of this needed to be said. I hate getting reminded of this crap.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you hate being reminded of it, quit doing it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on May 2, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are the one that egged this one on by your reply higher up in the thread. I’m with Rufio, you and BB are more instigating these reactions from SB than anything else. I thought he’s been doing fine on here until one of you make a reply like above to him. I can see where he would take it the way he did.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
I can’t see how I’m instigating this:
for some reason NTN keeps blowing that off when I say that.I hadn’t commented on it besides asking where he heard it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Let me try to explain. The last part that you wrote something like “I guess its ok then” or something similiar is what didn’t need to be put there. I just don’t see how if SB wants to say something like that he has to be told that since he has a source its ok??? What I’m saying is that there is a ton of people on here, probably me included, who have said things like player x will play y posiition for us without a source. Nobody gets a warning that comes across like yours did. If you want a source, just ask. You don’t have to put that “its ok then” since you have one. Just call BS on someone that doesn’t have one and call it good. Just seems like SB is getting singled out a lot lately for no reason.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
by Kimble_79 on May 2, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Why not remind some people who are posting MANGINA SCREWED US FOR THE NEXT 5YERS and why did we not get a PLAYMAKER to help this franchiz!? Comments?
Or people that come in and won’t even provide a reason for what they write?
Or people that come in and make jokes at Mexican persons’ expense?
Or people that come in and use the subject line over a 5 page essay with no breaks in it?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
A lot of those were dealt with. We don’t make it public record when a comment is deleted or someone is sent a warning. Lots of comments still slip through, but when we’re reading thousands of comments a day that happens. If you flag things though, we’ll get to them.
And unless I’m imagining things, you were given mod powers during the draft. Why didn’t you do something? You flagged one comment that I can remember, and I’m pretty sure it was removed right away.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Whoa, just saw this. Why are you throwing rufio under the bus?
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see the hidden comments. For the time being, at least. I didn’t want to begin removing comments because I was worried about this specific situation—especially since I seem to be the most extreme on the “no politics” end of the spectrum.
I know hiding comments reflects on the blog as a whole and not just me; I didn’t want to do anything that I thought could constitute a change in policy.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Or people that come in and make jokes at Mexican persons’ expense?
I’m guilty of this. More than half of my friends are Mexicans. I speak Spanish and we banter back and forth about our ethnicities all the time. It’s all in good fun. It’s our way of life here in SoCal. You Ohioans aren’t used to it yet. And don’t sit there and say something like that as if you’re trying to protect them. As if they’re pathetic people who we should feel sorry for. They don’t want that.
Cuando se vive en torno a un puñado de Mexicanos, que lo entenderás.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s true, when I lived in N. California, a lot of the people I hung out with were various Latin or Asian decent and all age groups from 20 to 80 and almost all of them ragged each other over something that I would have thought previously offensive. But of course context is pretty important in being able to do that decently.
I’m always down for some Mexican jokes, my best friend rags on me all the time about it and I tease him about his Polish roots.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on May 3, 2011 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t care what you do in real live in your personal time with people you know. If you’ve got friends you can joke around with, then that’s your life. Not everyone here is ok with that.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’ll just flag every comment I see making fun of gingers now. It may not offend you, but it offends me. Get the point?
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 6, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I don’t. If you flag comments that make fun of gingers, they’ll be removed.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
That was more of a sarcastic comment. I don’t flag anything here. One person’s opinion doesn’t make it the status quo. *wink wink
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 7, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re describing “friendship”, not some cultural difference b/w SoCal and NEOH
/grew up in Cleveland
//now live in LA
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on May 5, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw nothing to deserve that type of response.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve read it like 10 times now and am sick of hearing it. Who cares what they said in a press conference? They also said there was absolutely no way Colt was going to see the field.
And he didn’t until injury.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a great draft. We addressed some needs and also got extra picks for next year. While I’m not an expert on any of the guys we picked, I have faith in the front office and feel we are moving in the right direction. Having two first round picks in 2012 will be awesome.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
I gave us a B. Trade down was awesome, but I’m not a super large fan of trading up. Also, all three of our first and second round picks have character concerns. I have a sinking feeling that Little is going to end up having Braylon like attitude problems.
"Quote goes here."
Look no further than UNC for an endorsement of a trio who embarrassed their school, failed their teammates and crippled the Tar Heels’ chances to earn their first Bowl Championship Series bid.
“All three of them hurt. They really, truly were remorseful. They were just devastated by their own stupidity, their own ego, allowing themselves to get caught up in it,” head coach Butch Davis said.
Little seems to actually appreciate the adversity. “I think it was a good thing for me,” he says. “If it didn’t happen in college, it would have poured over into the NFL. I’m thankful I learned those lessons.” But it was a painful conclusion to reach. “I was so close to everyone on the team, from walk-ons to fifth-year seniors. It was so bad, I couldn’t even watch the games sometimes,” he says. -USATODAY|NFL
Braylon’s a diva with a drinking problem. Good riddance to him. Welcome to Cleveland Mr. Little.
WOOf! WOOf!
Poor old Butch Davis. He must be the unluckiest head coach in college football. Once again he inherits a highly competitive, albeit corrupt, program and must pay for the sins of his predecessors.
Why, oh why, do these terrible things keep happening to him?
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 1, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he really inherit it or did he allow what happened to happen?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Great question.
Much like the arsonist who starts the fire and then stands around waiting for the FD to show up and then starts asking all the right questions.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 1, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, are you trying to say that I am responsible for UNC’s questionable practices?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Butch Davis?
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 1, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
there is also a difference between being the pride of michigan, coddled your whole career, and a top 5 pick than a guy who was kicked off the team, disgraced, dropped to the 2nd round, and had serious doubters.
sometimes guys can change going through what little has.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
B+
Not getting Green, Peterson, or Dareus, coupled with the questionable trade up to #21 bumped this one out of the A range. I was also a little underwhelmed with Taylor. However, the more I read profiles and discussions on him, the better I feel.
Frankly, the guy I’m most excited about is Little. At this point, I believe people may look back in a few years and consider him one of the real steals of this entire draft. He seems to have slipped for non-football reasons and appears to have huge upside.
I think our first 3 picks make huge contributions immediately. I’m excited as hell for this season. The rich folks need to get shit figured out so it starts on time.
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
Unrelated but what do you guys see happening with RB Kevin Smith? He’s a FA now and I think he showed loads of promise at UCF and then In Detroit.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
I liked him in the draft and when he was healthy for Detroit. I would bring him in just for depth; obviously he doesn’t have to be a stud behind Peyton and maybe Montario. If he can catch, why not?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’m in
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on May 5, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I gave an A-.
The more I think about this draft the more I like it. I didn’t know most of the players we got, but the again I didn’t know a lot about Boss Ward either. It seems like we got a bunch of players with raw talent that need some coaching and perfecting. With our schedule next year this could mean our top three picks could vastly improve before that crucial five game stretch at the end of the season.
More importantly, next year we have two first round picks. I believe the first couple after hiring a new coach are always “rebuilding” years, so I am not expecting a fantastic record next year. If these picks develop how H & H want, than we can grab some more immediate impact players next year.
Finally it looks like our franchise is looking to the future. Go Browns!
Very solid draft. I agree with us being in the upper percentile. We had a lot of value picks.
My only concern, and i said it to myself, is the clip they show of Little when he scores then turns and punts the ball into the crowd. I HATE THAT CLIP!! He better can that attitude and just play ball. I think he will have the biggest impact, other than Taylor.
Great weekend overall though
by The naome40 on May 1, 2011 4:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Am I the only one who thinks that not taking ANY QB speaks volumes of their confidence in Colt? (And sure, you could say they may be waiting for Luck, but we’re not guaranteed to get him or anything.)
I think it helps Colt, but I don’t know if it says anything about their confidence in Colt. Holmgren said that when you take a guy in the 1st, he will get a chance to be the franchise. But when you take a guy in any other round, it really doesn’t mean a whole lot.
I think it’s good for Colt because there will be no new QB to clamor for if he doesn’t do well. Right now, he’s the guy, and that’s all he can ask for.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think it’s more that they really didn’t like any of the QBs left in the later rounds.
"Quote goes here."
Way to blow up our optimism!
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 1, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i just hope we don’t lose the super bowl like those patriot pansies.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on May 2, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think he is referring to when the Pats went 16-0 but still lost the Super Bowl.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, LIKE those Patriot pansies, not TO those Patriot pansies. I cannot read.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on May 2, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup. And because there was huge run on QBs early this year, the quality of what was left was not very strong at all.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on May 1, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
A. Luck will be gone early in 1st. Unless ATL blows up, were not picking til the latter part of the 1st. Thats how confident I am in Colt. Pretty sure you are too.
WOOf! WOOf!
Luck will be gone early in 1st
Unless Luck breaks his leg or gets run over by a truck this Fall, I’m guessing Luck will be the #1 pick next year. Come to think of it, he might even be the #1 pick if he breaks his leg and doesn’t even play. So as long as he watches both way crossing the street for a year, he’ll probably be the top pick in the 2012 draft for whatever team is unfortunate enough to earn it.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 1, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We thought this about Locker too, and we’re all stunned he went as high as he did.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I never really expected Locker to go in the top ten – always though his accuracy was too inconsistent. He just happened to be one of the better prospects in a weak QB class in a year of extremely high demand. I think the Vikings made a mistake taking him though.
I was thinking about Bradford – played only 3 games in his final season (2009) after getting flattened twice and a mangled shoulder, but still got drafted #1 overall in 2010 draft. Bradford and Luck were / are far better prospects than Locker IMO.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 1, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops / typo…
Vikings made a mistake
Titans made a mistake
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 1, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Vikings made the bigger mistake. You can’t coach up a stronger arm, but you can coach a player to increase accuracy. Locker>Ponder
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
I think Ponder will do well in Minnesota. His big issue was staying healthy.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree w/ you. I think Ponder will be a good pro if the Vikes’ o-line can keep his jersey clean.
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on May 6, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I went B+.
I am excited about Taylor and Sheard. They have been in the first and second rounds on peoples’ boards all year, and I trust the football people that do this for a living over those on the hunt to make the next star. They aren’t flashy picks, but they filled some of our biggest needs and they should both be really good at what we ask them to do.
Little and Cameron could be huge for us, but both are far from sure things. If Little really has matured and will work hard and stay out of trouble, he could be a slower Calvin Johnson or a faster Anquan Boldin—his potential is sky high. Cameron needs to grow as a player but the potential is there, too.
I love Marecic—the kind of guy you really want to root for—but it hurts a little that this probably means Vickers’ time will either be reduced or eliminated.
Pinkston was a smart pick. If it were up to me, we’d get a RT somewhere in the 2nd-3rd next year and keep drafting guys late who can play C/G or G/T as backups and eventual possible starters at G.
Skrine is all I could ask for out of a late rounder—fast and raw.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Why do you say that Phil Taylor fills a need? It seems like a lot of people are claiming that he and Rubin are more redundant than likely to play well in a tandem. In your article you postulated three different ways we might use him, but neither one of those seems to fill a “need” we had going in to the draft. I’m probably just misunderstanding.
We needed help on the defensive line, plain and simple. We got 340lbs of it.
We knew we were (probably) going to play a 4-3 defense, and we had one guy that we thought could start (I still hope Bernard or Mitchell can be a player, but I think we have more reason to believe in Rubin).
We weren’t great against the run last year, and we let big Shaun go which wasn’t going to help. I think we found a starter and a guy we can really use at DT. We needed another DT before the draft. The real surprise to me was that I thought we’d be looking for a smaller, quicker guy to fit in a tampa-2 scheme, and we found a bigger guy to fit in a who-knows-what (probably similar to option 3 in that article I wrote).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Right. What I’ve heard from other DBNers is that Rubin and Taylor are both natural 1-techniques. Either one of them becomes a 3 technique, or they perform the same role. I guess it’ll come down to how Taylor gets used. I agree that tackles were a big need, just not necessarily a nose tackle.
He is a good pass rusher for a NT. Plus, if you read the whole article you reference and didn’t just scan it, you would realize that having 2 big players (315-320+ pounds) is its own strategy that has been used before.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Sapp.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
uhh…except the one that puts Rubin on the bench, they all fill a need. Besides Rubin, all we had in terms of DTs is Brian Shafering who is a depth option who is nothing at all special.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I’d have voted C to B- if it wasn’t for the awesome trade with the Falcons. Those two first rounders are going to be huge in building come this time next year.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Forgot to mention, with that trade in mind, I bumped it up to B+. Greg Little helps to, liked that pick. We got our #1 WR out of the third round, and by #1, I mean that he’s the best WR on this team right now, which actually says more about our current WRs.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I gave it an A+, and I don’t see how anyone else can’t be stoked about it.
1. We got an extra 1st and 4th round pick next season.
2. We filled two mammoth holes in our defensive line.
3. We now have the biggest DT duo in the NFL.
4. We drafted four instant starters. How many other teams can say that?
5. Greg Little will be the steal of the draft. He will have a better career than Julio Jones. Book it.
6. I love the upside of late picks. Cameron looks like a real sleeper.
Sure I would have liked the 3rd rounder, but if Heckert thought it was necessary to move back up to get his guy, then I don’t care about the third. The majority of NFL pro bowlers come in the top 50 picks, I’m not wasting any sleep on pick 70.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I should mention that our huge DT’s are really good athletes for their size as well.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth is I have been stoked about it. Reading your comment I’m even more stoked because it all makes perfect sense.
A+ it is!
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 1, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
A- = Stoked.
Very good draft but there is still room for improvement. Hindsight is always 20/20.
WOOf! WOOf!
Well, one alternative would have been a different trade down strategy. Multiple smaller deals could still net more picks than one big deal and you eliminate the need to then trade up within the same round.
And even though Im satisfied with the later picks, I dont necessarily think they were the best choice available.
WOOf! WOOf!
Im as anti-Mangini as any but, he was a helluva draft strategist. Heckerts pretty damn good himself, but with superior evaluating skills.
I knew Jones was going 6th (one of the handful I got right). Im 99% certain other teams, like Redskins and Rams, were also interested enough to deal, albeit a small deal, but leaving plenty of value to trade the 10th or 14th pick. I also think Heckert liked Jones at #6 but ATL offer was too good to refuse at this particular point in the building process.
WOOf! WOOf!
The Browns crushed the Falcons in that trade. Outside of the Ricky Williams trade, I can’t remember a team getting that kind of value in trading down.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Browns were offered the same deal but turned it down.
Carmen Policy believed that the Browns needed a “face of the francise” in order to sell tickets, luxury boxes, etc.
Obviously Policy was an idiot for thinking that.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He owns and runs a winery. A typical next gig after pro football…
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on May 6, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That requires finding multiple teams that are all willing to trade down. Sounds great in theory, but would probably be impossible to pull off.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We were +4 with ATL and -1 with KC for an net gain of 3 picks. Two trades netting 3 or more shouldn’t be impossible. Just more work to do. We made 2 trades in the 1st as it is. Between Holmgren, Jauron, Shurmur and Heckert, there are a lot of connections with other teams.
WOOf! WOOf!
Just because other teams were willing to trade doesn’t meant they were willing to deal with us.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to trade down as it is. When someone wants to hand you a draft and a half you take it.
by HenryDawg on May 2, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who are you considering the fourth instant starter?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Owen Marecic. I don’t think Vickers is brought back. Hope I’m wrong.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope you’re not and Vickers stays on.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 1, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So if Cleveland would have taken Julio Jones with the six, and Atlanta would have grabbed Little in the second round, would you still believe Little would have a better career than Julio?
I met a fairy today that granted me one wish. "I want to live forever," I said. "Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"
"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on May 2, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Whichever one ends up playing for the Browns gets the SB ring. The other is SOL.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 2, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yep. Been down on Julio for quite sometime.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
have you been up on little for quite some time?
or did it start when the browns drafted him
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"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on May 2, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Was high on Little before the draft, feel free to check on it.
Now, is there anything that ever makes you happy?
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’ve always thought little would be the better WR, despite the fact that Julio is MUCH faster, has been much more productive over his career, is leagues better in route running, is taller, heavier, and makes just as spectacular catches? What advantages do little have? He’s more physical yes, but Julio has pretty good YAC skills himself. And Julio has drop problems which may or may not effect him.
All of this equates to Little having a better career how? I’m guessing because of the uniform he wears on sunday correct?
So you’re telling me if I look through your history I will see you saying Little will have the better career?
I met a fairy today that granted me one wish. "I want to live forever," I said. "Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"
"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on May 2, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’ve always thought little would be the better WR, despite the fact that Julio is MUCH faster, has been much more productive over his career, is leagues better in route running, is taller, heavier, and makes just as spectacular catches? What advantages do little have? He’s more physical yes, but Julio has pretty good YAC skills himself. And Julio has drop problems which may or may not effect him.
I haven’t been shy in my dislike of Julio Jones. If you have been a contributing member to this site, other than a roving troll who looks to instigate arguments, then you would have known this.
All of this equates to Little having a better career how? I’m guessing because of the uniform he wears on sunday correct?
Absolutely not. Feel free to look over my previous 100+ comments on why I think Julio will be a bust. As for Little, I have seen him get open deep.
So you’re telling me if I look through your history I will see you saying Little will have the better career?
Word for word? No, probably not. But the insinuation is definitely there.
I will ask you again, does anything ever make you happy?
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Julio is more of a sure thing of what you are getting, but Little definitely has the potential to be better.
And yes, Jones is a better route runner, he has more experience because Little was an Athlete his first 2 years not a pure WR. He is going to step in and likely be better day one, but that doesn’t guarantee he will be better.
Jones is the same height as little (according to combine measurements) and over 10 pounds heavier. Little is built like a shorter, stockier brandon marshall (except I think he has a better burst off the line).
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I would.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
don’t buy it.
I met a fairy today that granted me one wish. "I want to live forever," I said. "Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"
"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on May 2, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Go back and look at the pre-draft stuff. I’ve hated Julio for a long time.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on May 2, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at who we are trying to convince.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And besides, Jones being great and Little being great are not mutually exclusive events. I happen to think Jones is going to be a baller, but I’m also really high on Little as the WR w/ the most upside in the draft.
Whatever the case, Little + Marecic/Cameron (can’t remember which pick came from ATL) + 2012 first + 2012 fourth >>>>> Jones, even if Little never makes a catch.
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by DontCallMeJoey on May 6, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
He will have a better career than Julio Jones. Book it.
I like positive attitudes, but there’s no way this happens.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
You could be right, but it isn’t that far-fetched. Numerous people have said that Little is a first round talent that slipped because of the suspension. He’s also coming into an offense that seems to fit his playing style (but I’m no Rufio). Jones is great, but I wouldn’t discount Little’s chances of being a pro bowl WR himself.
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Agree with B19K… Except I gave an A- because I tend to be a major optimist and sometimes I try to curb my optimism and shoot low :p
… Although I don’t know that I agree we have 4 instant starters in this draft. I would say 3. I don’t think the USC TE will be a STARTER initially, because I think Ben Watson and Evan Moore will beat him out for the starting positions. Also, the other 3 instant starters are playing for the Browns. I think Little starts on most teams, but I think it’s really easy to start on the D-line for a team that basically has what, 3 D-linemen in total on the roster? I don’t know that they would start over a lot of the other D-linemen in the league. Not saying they WOULDN’T, I’m just saying that the fact they will start instantly for us doesn’t necessarily put them above other teams’ draft picks. Again, not saying they aren’t starters on other teams, let’s just say I could definitely be convinced :)
There are more holes in the depth chart than in the starting line up. We filled 5 holes. A-.
WOOf! WOOf!
Very happy and enthused about Phil Taylor from Baylor following day 1.
While Jabaal Sheer is suited for the outside containment position, Da´Quan Bowers, Marvin Austin, Stephen Paea and Kendrick Ellis were still on the board, would have felt much better about next year with the d-line stocked with some real dawgs. Marecic is good, maybe Cameron and Pinkston will pan out, but all in all a real feel good satisfaction result, it is not.
great draft for you guys
hi brown fans , i did the live mock for you guys a couple of weeks back and was very interested in how your draft would go . i gave your draft an A- and i think your GM and scouting dept did a heck of a job for you guys this year .
first off the trade you got from atlanta was the master stroke of the draft . the reason i say this is because how much atlanta paid for that pick to draft an untried nfl WR . they could have gotten B marshall last season for 2 2nd round picks but gave up way more for an untried wr makes no sense.
as a jet fan i know how good taylor is and he should be the backbone of your d-line for years to come . i give this pick an A+
sheard is an improvement on what you have but he hasn’t a wonderful upside . B
little is a steal and gives mcCoy a great weapon for years to come . has little off field issues but still give this pick a B+/A-
cameron could be the best TE in this years draft given time to develop ( 2 years ) ,and i also drafted him for you guys in the live mock . give this pick B+
marecic is another steal . he is pals with 2012 madden cover guy and can also carry the ball . you guys could end up 2 of the best FB in the league and could end up trading one of those guys for a high pick . grade this pick as an A
skrine , pinkston and especially HAGG represent serious value for where they were picked . i was hoping the jets took a flyer on hagg in the 7th because he has such a good upside . i give those 3 picks a combined grade of B+
all in all i think you have got one of the best draft this year with the exception of the giants and have filled lots of needs . if i was a browns fan i would be very excited after this draft and would be looking forward to FA where you could add anothe few TOP players to your team .
so once again well done on a wonderful draft
if its for you it won't pass you
A- The first three picks should start and we came away with two extra picks next year, job well done.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on May 2, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
In case anyone was wondering what happened to the entire Mod-SB discussion, I hid it.
To be honest, being a mod is a hard job and most of the time a thankless one. That being said, were aren’t infallible. If you think that a mod is being a jerk or out of line, don’t post it on the site, you can always email me, especially if the mod you have the issue with is me. My email is at the bottom of every page. Just leave me a note here on DBN that you emailed that account (I don’t check it everyday). I may be unrelenting when it comes to the Browns (JaMarcus) but I will always hear someone out.
Bickering over stuff like this takes away from the content of the website that Chris, Syrup, Rufio and every single participant works so hard to keep. DBN just came off maybe it’s best weekend and we added some new readers.
As for the new readers, let’s remember to be kind to newbies. I know that there are some people out there that would like to join in on conversations but are intimidated that they will have their heads cut off. We all need to remember that we all had a first post on here. Yes we hold people to a higher standard, but we can be kind to them while we do that. That is something everyone, myself included, can do better on.
So let’s keep it civil and keep it Browns related. I understand that this off-season is going to be tough to get through but we are literally all on the same team.
Go Browns, all praise to Joe Thomas.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
And I will go ahead and be the first to say it:
TLDR.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Z’ed it.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no clue what TLDR is supposed to mean.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 3, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Too Long, Didn’t Read.
He wrote it incorrectly as well. It’s tl;dr.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on May 3, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew that.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 3, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no clue what TLDR is supposed to mean.
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by SpecialBrownie on May 4, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
As soon as you said it, the light clicked on.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 4, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, being a mod is a hard job and most of the time a thankless one. That being said, were aren’t infallible. If you think that a mod is being a jerk or out of line, don’t post it on the site, you can always email me, especially if the mod you have the issue with is me. My email is at the bottom of every page.
Now, that I actually read this…
This was the problem I had with NTN. If he wanted to call out my banning, he should’ve done it privately. But he didn’t and made it public MUCH like BB did a few weeks ago. I GOT BANNED, GET OVER IT. Quit showing off my dirty laundry, it’s annoying. If one of you want to use it in an argument against me again, EMAIL IT TO ME.
/End rant.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A couple things. First, you’re right, I shouldn’t have done that, I apologize. Second, I totally missed all of the stuff with BB, so I didn’t realize it was an issue that had already been discussed.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on May 2, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, in fact you said the exact same line BB did to me when he singled me out for nothing a few weeks ago. The wound was still a little raw apparently.
Apology accepted though.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hear, here!
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on May 3, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what will happen when all those comments finally come out of hiding one day? Do you guys keep stats on which mods have hidden the most? Is this some kind of performance measure and is there any way you could post these for our information?
I realize that you might not always want to be individually accountable for the posts that you censor. But, from what I have observed, it does all seem a bit arbitrary and wimpy at times. If one of my comments is stricken from the site, it would be nice to know whose sensitivities have been offended.
Otherwise, I think you guys are doing one hell-of-a-job. Thanks. And keep it up!
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 3, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I usually hide the most.
If it has one of the 7 dirty words, I hide it. If someone flags something as inappropriate, I will probably hide it. Game threads? Anything f’n goes.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 3, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t know I could talk about 9/11 in the game threads.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 3, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That must also be the right place to tip your cap to the SOF and Intel communities for a f’n outstanding take down of the 9/11 mastermind.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 3, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I should mention that politics are strictly banned.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 3, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate politics.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 3, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was just in reference to the Mendenhall FanShot that was taken down earlier today.
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by Brownie's Year on May 4, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I fully support that ban, but feel that what I had to say had nothing to do with politics.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
LOL, yeah the Mendenhall thread didn’t last long.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
If it has one of the 7 dirty words, I hide it.
Actually, this is not true.
The only difference between F%#K and FUCK is that the former is allowed and the latter is not. Both mean precisely the same thing.
FUCK means FUCK; F%#K also means FUCK, but with the self-contained admission that this word is a ‘bad’ word and probably shouldn’t be used.
In other words, it’s not the word itself that’s being censored, it’s the use of the word without the admission of guilt that is being censored.
In other, other words, any system of moderation that allows F%#K but disallows FUCK is more concerned with the appearance of civility than actual civility.
Not that I’m complaining. I realize that there’s a lot of posts to wade through and that it’s a thankless job. Been there, done that.
But I think it would be much easier on you and the other moderators, and everyone else for that matter, if you issued an across the board ban on a select number of particularly offensive words. Not just the words, but also variations such as F%#K and C@CKSUCKER and whatnot. Because so long as there’s a largely arbitrary distinction between allowable variations of a word and the word itself; and so long as the distinction is governed not by context, but instead according to whether the person who used the word had his hat in his hand when he used it, the small number of people who buck at the idea that certain words need arbitrary disclaimers are going to continue to use those words. Which makes more work for you.
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by golanbatrac on May 4, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well said, coming from someone who moved to censoring myself with asterisks for comments I make on DBN. The reason I do so is because the words have become a part of a regular part of the vocabulary for at least my generation. It’s the vernacular. I thought the asterisks were sort of respecting the policy here, but you offer a logical perspective on meaning. In that sense, my use is more of a “f*** you” to the policy (irony), which wasn’t my intention. I just felt **** expressed a certain level of severity that I intend to get across in this kind of online dialog, compared to “darn” or another approved term that means the same thing. **** and other words like, ****, *, *, **, *, ***, ect. truthfully seem to do a better job than what is currently socially accepted as non-vulgar. That’s probably why they are so widely used in casual conversation.
The word, specifically ****, in most contexts used on this site, is just a strong emphatic expression of emotion, one universally known, despite having two essentially opposite connotations, positive or negative.
The real issue is here:
with the self-contained admission that this word is a ‘bad’ word and probably shouldn’t be used.
That said, I’m not complaining either. Just adding to this likely temporary discussion while I can. I’m more than happy to comply to this site’s policies in order to continue to be apart of the awesome community.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
FUCK! I need to go to sleep. Should have been in bed 3 hours ago.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 4, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
For now, I go to bed at 10am and wake up at 6pm. My sleeping cycle ****s up pretty easy.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I’m about to watch City of God (for the first time) and eat hotdogs.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Good movie. Enjoy your wieners.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on May 4, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I went to see Fast Five. It was pretty amazing. See sig. The movie had some sexy cars.
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Sexy. Sexy. Sexy.
by SpecialBrownie on May 4, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually agree with this. I’m not quite as strict on profanity, I only get rid of it when it’s directed at someone or I think a user went overboard. I’m actually more annoyed by the censoring because it means the person knew they shouldn’t use a word and did it anyway. “Chit” is particularly annoying, couldn’t tell you why.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
"Chit" is particularly annoying
This. See also: ‘shart’.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on May 4, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Shart is half fart, half crap. Not specifically a crap.
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Sexy. Sexy. Sexy.
by SpecialBrownie on May 4, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What about ish?
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by SpecialBrownie on May 4, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That one I haven’t seen as much, but the few times I have seen it it’s struck me as stupid.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Now I’m curious as to exactly what rest of the 7 “dirty words” are. Call me clueless, but…
Are these the words they’re referring to?:
‘Wazoo’
‘YingYang’
‘Pinhead’
‘Mental midget’
‘Suck it’
‘Turd’
‘Hock a loogie’
‘Butthead’
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on May 4, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
If I hide F#&k, then we will have no more “F*%k you, go root for Buffalo.”
If I take that away, what do we have left?
by Bernie19Kosar on May 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Just each other. And even that gets boring at times.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on May 4, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, why did you remove my radio station link the other day? LOL
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
I haven’t hid one of your comments in quite sometime.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 4, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, somebody did. Chris asked you about your radio station but didn’t say what it was. I linked to a “alternative lifestyle” radio station and asked if that was yours. Must have been NTN or Chris then. :)
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Maybe it was me.
But no, we are trying to get on a regular radio station. Boring, I know.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 4, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do people re-read their comments to even know they were removed?
by Nuclear Power on May 4, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s an existential thing.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on May 4, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of the comments that get removed are usually ones that would have a response following them so it becomes pretty obvious when the comment is removed. I’m particularly sad i missed the nuclear meltdown from a few months ago. I’m usually up so late i get to see most of the good threads before they get removed.
"I wasn’t asked to catch the ball and go out in the flats and run routes, because that wasn’t how our offense was," Lawrence Vickers said. "Now people are lying and people think I can’t catch. I guess I shouldn’t have started knocking people out."
I’m sorry man, I am probably going to call people out publicly when I feel people need to be called out publicly. I am probably one of the worst about bickering, so I’ll try to cut down on that; things can always be said in a more polite way.
Noobs, this is your notice: I am the bad cop.
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And I am the Will Ferrall Badder cop.
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by SpecialBrownie on May 5, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt there is a person on this blog, myself included, that hasn’t gotten caught up in an argument before. Sports do that kind of thing.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 5, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
idk what youre talking about i never get in arguments dude so back off
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by troy145 on May 5, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs

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