Poll: Jabaal Sheard vs. Da'Quan Bowers in the 2nd Round
One of the top, but not surprising, stories of the NFL Draft was the fall of DE Da'Quan Bowers, a player who was once projected to be the favorite to go to the Cleveland Browns at No. 6 overall:
Da’Quan Bowers’ shocking (and financially devastating) slip down the NFL draft board because of a knee injury was in all likelihood a business decision. It’s not that teams didn’t want him; Bowers has all the skill, size and intangibles to be good. Teams simply didn’t want to pay him. If you’re going to invest $30 million or more, you want to know what you’re getting. Link
That might have been the case in the first round, but by the time the second-round rolled around, money should not have been an issue. With the 37th overall pick, the Browns ended up selecting DE Jabaal Sheard. 14 picks later, at No. 51 overall, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers finally selected Bowers. It just seems so tough to gauge what Bowers' status is, but for all 32 teams in the league to pass on him for so long, there had to be a significant amount of doubt in his current health status.
With that said, would you have preferred it if the Browns had taken a shot on Bowers at No. 37 overall rather than taking a "healthy" Sheard? The poll is after the jump.
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yes, that's what we said about peterson too and look what he's done in the NFL so far.
by Stephen Baker on May 3, 2011 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Dawg Nuts on May 3, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by Simmsinns on May 3, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
talkin about pancakes is making me hungry…
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by Brownsbacker488 on May 4, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Be careful what you wish for.
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by Simmsinns on May 4, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
…and absolutely Justified
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by JustPlainBrowns on May 3, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
His injuries were also not as serious.
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by notthatnoise on May 3, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Good old equivocation.
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by Cap'n Snegiryov on May 3, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
By the time the second round came up, I think it was worth the risk. Maybe Bowers is a bust because his knee gives out, but I think it’s fairly likely that he’s going to have at least 4 or 5 solid seasons, and if the knee doesn’t cause a problem his upside is so much higher than anyone else we could’ve grabbed in the 2nd round.
Bwers never impressed me either. Never saw the first round love for him.
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by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Samesies. If he would’ve done what he did for more than 1 season, maybe.
by Don'tByBrownsQBJerseys on May 3, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I was on Bowers’ bandwagon, but I am fully convinced his knee will need microfracture within 3 years. If teams didn’t think it was a major problem, he’d have been a first rounder.
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basically my take. I thought he was an incredible talent, but if his knee was ever gonna break, it was gonna break if we drafted him. Probably in a game that wouldve been important on a play that wouldve won it.
So its all just the same.
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in a vacuum, i’d have taken the flier on bowers. he’s a top-5 talent if that knee is right, man, and if you can get that in the second round you’re ahead of the game.
for the browns, though, they absolutely needed, at minimum, a warm body to occupy a blocker on the d-line, and the likelihood of sheard at least taking the field every day for the next 5 years is much greater than bowers.
by DontCallMeJoey on May 4, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to wonder if they would have picked him instead of Little had he still been available. I also tend to wonder if drafting two players last year with knee history had any influence on the decision not to take him. Hardesty is already a big question mark as far as what we’ll get out of him. He may come back and be fine and produce for a while. But the knee issues will bother him in the future. Ward may also suffer from soreness or other problems in the future. I think they reasoned that we can’t afford to have three young guys on the roster with a history of injuries that will limit their contribution.
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that’s a good point. i didn’t think of that on draft day.
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by Brownsbacker488 on May 3, 2011 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions
i was shocked when i saw we passed on him for Sheard. i even called my boss, a Bungles fan, cause he wanted Bowers at 2 also instead of a QB. but as the article states, it must be a testament for how bad his knee really was. even as much as i thought Heckert loved Bowers that wasn’t enough. i honestly still don’t know a whole bunch of Bowers and Sheard, but i figure if raw talent is pretty equal for them we didn’t lose anything with Sheard because we can always develop his technique.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
i don’t think the raw talent is really comparable w/ sheard and bowers, which is why bowers was at one point slated to go first overall, and sheard was not.
by DontCallMeJoey on May 4, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
according to nick sabin, bowers' knee was not that bad
on the nfl network rich isen and co. had a call with nick sabin, bower’s coach in college. he said he did not understand where all these reports were coming from about his knee being messed up and that it was a very minor thing that could happen to anyone. i just think someone said something about the knee in a way that spread like a virus and then he was doomed. i don’t think a college coach gets anything for this guy going in the first round, so i don’t have any reason to believe the coach would have lied about this.
College coaches don’t get directly compensated for first round picks, but having the reputation of a coach that turns out NFL level talent certainly can’t hurt his reputation or future income any. I don’t think Saban in intentionally misleading anyone, but I would tend to rely more heavily on the opinion of the 32 teams and their staffs of doctors that decided Bowers wasn’t worth the risk over the opinion of one guy who didn’t go to med school.
Wait a sec. Saban from Alabama and Bowers from Clemson? Interesting way for Clemson to run their team.
Yeah I’m going to go ahead and trust NFL doctors on this one.
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by notthatnoise on May 3, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you – they were looking at an MRI and photos from the scope. The operation he had is a very simple procedure. You sew up and clean up the meniscus. The operation is easy, and it repairs the meniscus tear in a +95% of the cases. Good as new. But while you are in there – you see the damage to the cartilage – up close and personal. The cartlidge is either fine, has some scarring to indicate the start of the arthritis eating away at the cartlide – or there has been cartlidge damage and there is not sufficient cartlidge. I guarantee you – if it was just a torn meniscus – he would have been a first rounder. He has long term cartilidge damage, or arthritis that will eat away at the cartlidge. That leaves you with microfracture surgery as your only option – and that is nothing but a crapshoot.
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dammit jim, im a football fan, not a doctor!
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by troy145 on May 3, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
how do you know all that? that’s impressive.
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by Brownsbacker488 on May 3, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
…that is nothing but a crapshoot.
about all I needed to understand
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by JustPlainBrowns on May 3, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nick Sabin coaches Alabama. Bowers went to Clemson. Dabo Sweeney is the coach there and before him it was Tommy Bowden. I am sure Sabin was just commenting on his play in college. Guys, I hate to disagree with you all as I lived in Clemson country the last 4 years and I think we got this one wrong. I had the privilege of watching every Clemson football game here and Bowers is a beast. The knee may be an issue several years down the road and I can see that affecting a first round pick, but he was sitting there for us and we ran away from him. He would have been the perfect compliment on the line. I voted for Bowers in this poll and I wish you all could have seen what I did the last few years in this kid’s development. We lost a great talent.
i said it before and i’ll say it again: i was surprised we didn’t take him with that first 2nd round pick. if you watched Heckerts pressers before that friday draft he seemed to love Bowers. my only conclusion was that Heckert lied to the press saying he thought Bowers knee was great just to throw teams off his lead.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on May 3, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Too many teams thought the same thing that we did. There must be something with that knee. No way a guy with his talent slips all the way to #51 soley based on a rumor that he has a bum knee.
Sheard created havoc for my Mountaineers, I’ll be glad to root for him instead now.
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I got off the Bowers train a long time ago. There is plenty of doubt to go around and teams can only accept so much risk in known injuries, character concerns or lack of reps (for whatever reason).
We took some chances with Little and Cameron. However, they look like prudent risks for where they were selected.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
Something that is commonly done (according to Kiper and McShay), when team doctors say a player is no good because of health reasons, is teams will take them off their board completely. So even if a player with first round talent, who is an injury no-go by doctors, who slides to round two, may not be on a teams board. I have no idea if the Browns were a team like that, but it’s possible he wasn’t on our board at all.
by Onyx Lightning on May 3, 2011 9:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Something that I’ve heard (it was about the NBA draft, but I think it still applies), is that most doctors would rather red flag a guy with injury concerns to play it safe for their own sakes. If they clear a guy, and that guy busts out because of injuries, that doctor isn’t going to get a lot of calls anymore. If he red flags a guy and the guy has a fine career, no harm done. I’m fairly certain I heard this from a Bill Simmons column or podcast, so take that for what it’s worth. But it seems to make sense to me.
i watched a pre-draft show on ESPN last week featuring Bill Parcells with Mike Tirico where Parcells made a similar comment about pulling players off a draft board because of major issues like injury concerns or behavioral problems.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on May 4, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
If it was titled “Bill Parcell’s Draft Confidential”, it was the one I recorded – still have it on the DVR. Really interesting show.
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by burntorangeandbrown on May 4, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, that’s it – aired on April 26th on ESPN “SportsCenter Special – Bill Parcell’s Draft Confidential”. Great show. Parcell’s tells all.
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by burntorangeandbrown on May 4, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yep i learned a lot.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on May 4, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The Browns were not in the position to take a ? in the second. It had to be a DE and one without risk. Sheard had great rise on the draft boards as opposed to the fall of Bowers.
Good pick. Let’s hope it’s at least as good as the Ward pick in ’10.
by theotherJimBrown on May 15, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions

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