OT: Revamping College Football
I hate the NCAA. Loathe them. Just in case you are wondering, I hated them before tOSU found themselves in the cross-hairs.
So, I started thinking. I am became ruler of the football world, how would I change it.
Buckle up, because I am ripping this thing down to the frame and rebuilding.
Your job is to add in ideas and tell me what doesn't jive.
Step One: Leave the NCAA, and create new College Football League
F'em. This is for a couple reasons. First of all, this allows us to start new with the rule book. No longer do I have to care about the mundane, asinine, rules that bog down college football. Second of all, it allows us to pay the players, something I will touch on in a bit.
I am talking about all the teams in Division 1A. The teams in the lower divisions will be addressed later on.
No longer will college football, and the schools, be forced to follow Title 9. This will lie outside that scope. (If this is incorrect, please one of the lawyers here on DBN correct me). I'm not clamoring for the Basketball teams to leave NCAA, just the College Football programs.
Seriously, someone get Mark Cuban on the horn. Donald Trump. All I need is someone that knows how to run a business, because this business is going to make more money than the NFL. Damn straight I said it, but the first step is
I don't care what the new College Football group is called. For the sake of this idea, we will call it College Football League 1 & 2. Trust me, I will explain this later as well.
Step Two: Disband all Conferences
Pretty self explanatory here. No longer is your schedule 75% of the same teams. No longer will we be subjected to SEC! SEC! SEC! chants. Here in the College Football League, you stand on your own merits.
Step Three: Separate the 120 Division 1A teams, into two separate divisions and devise a schedule for the regular season and playoff
This may not make sense after step two, but hang with me. It's pretty simple, the best 60 teams, the Big Boys if you will, will go into Division A. The lower teams, will go into Division B. This is how I have it broken down:
College Football League Division A:
- Florida State
- Virginia Tech
- Miami
- UNC
- Nebraska
- Mizzou
- Oklahoma
- Oklahoma State
- Texas A&M
- West Virginia
- Pitt
- UConn
- Ohio State
- Michigan State
- Wisconsin
- Iowa
- Michigan
- Penn State
- UCF
- Notre Dame
- Navy
- Army
- Northern Illinois
- TCU
- Air Force
- Utah
- BYU
- San Diego State
- Oregon
- Stanford
- USC
- Washington
- Oregon State
- South Carolina
- LSU
- Florida
- UGA
- Tennessee
- Auburn
- Arkansas
- Alabama
- Nevada
- Boise State
- Hawaii
- Fresno State
- Troy
- Arizona State
- Arizona
- Cal
- UCLA
- Boston College
- Clemson
- Georgia Tech
- NC State
- Texas
- Texas Tech
- Mississippi State
- Syracuse
- Maryland
- SMU
Realize this is not in order, these are just the teams that I believe are the 60 best from the former Division 1A. The teams not mentioned make up Division B of the CFL.
But in order to save the BS argument of "The little guy doesn't have a chance against the Big Boys" here is my twist. There is promotion and relegation between Divisions A and B. Just like the English Premier League. At the end of the season, the ten lowest teams of Division A play the ten highest teams of Division B. Winner either stays, or is promoted to Division A.
Teams like a Boise State or TCU would have been able to play themselves into the big leagues long before they were invited to the BCS. No longer do teams have to run up scores like 73-3 on San Jose State, instead they could have beaten a Clemson or Texas Tech ON the field. How novel of an idea is that?
The other quirk I would make is that teams would all play 12 game schedules. 6 home and 6 away. No more, no less. At least ten of a teams games must be played against their Division (Only 1 home and 1 away game against the other divisions). If a team wants to play down a division, they can only do that twice, and even then, is it a good idea?
Imagine if you are Ohio State. Do you want to "waste" a home game against Ohio, if it means that you have to go on the road 6 times against quality opponents? Actually I think many schools would use their road games as a chance to go on the road. How much money would it mean to Ohio if the Buckeyes came to play in their house? The smaller schools would actually benefit from playing these games in their house. More money and more exposure, and we are talking about the teams in the LOWER division.
How about the Big Boys? Again, let's look at Ohio State. Yes, they lose about 2 home games a year. That is a big blow. But how about this schedule?
Sept 3rd: UGA
Sept 10th: @ Ohio
Sept 17th: @ Clemson
Sept 24th: Texas
Oct 1st: Arizona
Oct 8th: @ Colorado
Oct 15th: @ Utah
Oct 22nd: Oregon
Oct 29th: Oklahoma State
Nov 5th: @ Boston College
Nov 12th: Illinois
Nov 19th: @ That School Up North
Seriously, how pumped would you be for that schedule? The worst games are Ohio and Illinois? After that, every weekend is stacked! And it wouldn't just be Ohio State, it would be everyone. Alabama vs. Stanford and LSU vs. Texas in one weekend?! How bad ass is this?
CFL would have games on Tuesday's, Thursday's and Saturday's. Anyone else like the idea of Auburn v. Oklahoma on Thursday night?
Now that we have the regular season figured out, we need to discuss the post season. I am still keeping the bowls but in a playoff situation. With my regular season, we are finished up by November 19th. That allows 7 WEEKS for a playoff that wouldn't keep these "student-athletes" out of school any longer than the NCAA's season. How do we use those 7 weeks is pretty easy.
First of all, we rank the top 24 teams, 1-24. We weigh schedule difficulty, performance and who you would think would win on a neutral field. Yes, I hate polls, but I can't think of a more fair way to do it.
Explaining my voters and how I picked them
My voters wouldn't be writers or coaches. Instead it would be a select group of former coaches, writers and people that pay attention to CFB. I am talking about a small group of voters that watch all the games in a central location. Think of a massive sports bar. It would be paid for by the league. This way, all the voters see the same thing, and vote on the same criteria. No longer do we have a writer following one team and voting them much higher because he has seen them more often. I chose former coaches and writers because the only boss I want them to have is the CFL.
Teams 1-8 have bye's the first week of the playoffs. teams 9-16 host teams 17-24 in a snake ranking (9 vs. 24, 10 vs. 23, etc.). These teams have won the right to host a playoff game which means $$$ for those schools.
Taking place during the third week, is the Promotion and Relegation games. The top ranked teams in Division B, plays the ten teams with the worst record in Division A (snake ranking fashion again). I went with worst record instead of rankings because I doubt many voters pay enough attention to bottom feeder teams. Winners are either promoted or get to stay in Division A the following season. While this may be glossed over, imagine the financial windfall for example Rice, if they were able to play a top schedule for a season. Could make a program.
After the second week of the CFL Playoffs, we would be left with 8 teams.
This is where the bowls come into play. All of the lower tier bowls would be able to invite any teams to play that were not involved with previous playoff or promotion games. This would allow other teams to get the "pay-off" of a bowl game and the practice time that comes with it.
This "bye week" of lower tier bowls not only reward the other teams, but it gives the remaining 8 teams two weeks to plan their trip to the bowl locations. I understand that arranging a trip like this would be a pressure situation, but this is the CFL. If a NFL can make arrangements for the Super Bowl in two weeks, we can do it here as well.
Step Four: The final Eight Bowl games and locations.
This is where another major change comes in. If the former BCS Bowls want to get in on the CFL, they need to make some room.
You know how many bowl games are played north of the Tennessee-Kentucky border? Three. The Bronx bowl in NY, The Humanitarian Bowl in Boise and the Military Bowl in Washington DC.
How is that fair? Sorry, but Ohio State, Virginia Tech, Oregon and other northern schools have to survive in the North, why decide the biggest games of the season all in the South? I'm fixing that.
Assuming the Rose, Sugar and the Fiesta want to join, they are welcome. The Orange Bowl will not be welcomed. Last year they did not sell out a game with Virginia Tech and Stanford. Miami sucks as a sports town. Why should they be awarded with a crown jewel of CFL?
No, the Orange Bowl is out. Instead, they will be replaced by the Chick-fil-A Bowl in Atlanta. Atlanta is a top notch city that is used to hosting big time College Football Events (SEC Championship) and is a hub that will be easy to reach by fans and schools alike.
New Bowl Locations:
Indianapolis, in Lucas Oil Stadium. (Yes, I know this is an indoor field, but it has a retractable roof) Seattle, in Qwest Field New York, New Meadowlands Stadium
Step Five: Selection of Bowl Games
Now, these games will rotate who hosts the National Championship game, just like the BCS does now. I think it is time for another twist.
The Bowl games would go on a rotation. Think of it like A, B, C, D, E, F and G. If A is hosting the National Championship Game, then B & C would be hosting the semi-finals the week prior. D, E, F and G would all host "Elite Eight" games.
After 3 weeks, we are left with 8 playoff teams, these teams are matched up again by seeds. Highest v. lowest and on and on. Now for the twist.
The highest seeded team gets first pick from locations D, E, F and G of where they want to play. Say Ohio State is the number one overall seed. They would choose Indianapolis to play in. Short trip for them and you would think an advantage in crowd. If the team was USC, they would choose the Rose Bowl (duh.). On and on.
The top 3 seeds get to choose where they will play.
After that, we are left with 4 teams, highest seed alive picks from the remaining locations in which to play. Pretty much, the number one overall seed gets to pick and chose where they go up until the National Championship game.
This is 5 weeks after the end of the season. This would bring us to the Holiday Season. The bowl season calendar would break down like this:
Nov 26th: 9-16 vs. 17-24 (Teams 1-8 get Bye)
Dec 3rd: 1-8 vs. remaining 9-24
Dec 10th: Promotion and Relegation games and Lower Tier Bowl games
Dec 17th: "Elite Eight" match-ups
Dec 31st: Final Four
January 10th: National Championship
So here we have a full playoff, with the National Championship Game taking place on the exact same date as last years National Championship Game. Not some mythical BS where we argue forever of who beat who, but an actual Championship that crowns a deserved winner.
Step Six: Establish a partnership with the NFL
Let's quit pretending that the NFL wouldn't be interested. They would be drooling. You want to see if Kellen Moore is legit? Have him face Nick Saban and Bo Pelini defenses on the field. They would have much, much more to go off of. Andrew Luck sets record against a top flight schedule? Saweeet.
So instead of running away from the NFL, embrace them.
The Junior rule is still a go in the CFL, but much like the NBA, a player can declare for the draft, work with the NFL coaches and get it straight from the horses mouth on what they should do. Have the NFL come and talk to these kids about a litany of things. Who to hang out with, what supplements are illegal, how to go about your life as a college football player trying to make it into the NFL.
Allow players to work in NFL run camps if they have a certain GPA. How cool would it be for Andrew Luck to be working with Peyton Manning and Drew Brees? I'm not saying that they are in mini camp, but maybe a two week passing camp. Something that the NFL and the CFL can work together on.
Step Seven: Set Rules and Payments
Damn straight I'm paying these kids. How much is based on some different factors.All money from video games and 50% from Bowl games are split among the players evenly. Division A players are paid more than Division B players. You want a light a fire under these kids in a Promotion and Relegation game? Tell them they will get more money in Division A.
When you take the roughly 137 million dollars Bowls paid out last season, take the 50%, divide it by the 120 teams 85 scholarship players (giving us 9,600 players), that is roughly a payout of $7,135.41 per player a season from just bowl money. No too much, but a starting point.
No we address the money that CFL would bring in from a Video Game. EA Sports has made over $868 million dollars off of the NCAA football game. If EA wants to make our game, they need to pony up the dollars. Let's go off of EA paying the NFLPA 35 million a season for the rights. Divide that by the 9,600 players, we have $3,645.83 a player. Add that into the bowl money, right now players would be making $10,781.24 a season.
Now we need to add in memorabilia sales. All numbered jersey profits would be split evenly between that teams members. Players would be allowed to have "Miller 5" jerseys sold at bookstores. I can't find any numbers of how much money this would be, but I assume it would be a decent number for major teams (OSU, Texas, Florida, etc.)
I'm not going to pretend that I am smart enough to give you a number, but my guess is that a decent team would end up paying out around 13-15k a player. Doesn't sound like much, but this is on top of the scholarship. I'm not saying it is the end all be all of payments, but it is a start.
Plus, I don't care if they sell their rings. You won them, you can sell them. You want to sell them? You go through the school and CFL to place them in a predetermined auction house. Player receives all money from the sale.
I would put restrictions on sales of equipment (that belongs to the school) and the sale of autographs. The School's will be allowed to host "Signing Days" once a month, in which there are set prices for players to sign customer goods. The money will go to the player, and they player alone. This doesn't mean that the player is not allowed to sign stuff if he is stopped in the mall, he just isn't allowed to accept the money at the mall. Only at signing days. Players could also charge for pictures and other services that day as well, for prices that are set by College Football League.
Let's say that a mall wants to have Braxton Miller out for autographs and pictures. They would have to go through the CFL and the School to make sure that someone is out there with them to set and enforce the limits. The player makes their money, and everyone is happy. There would have to be a limit for appearances by a player, maybe 7 a season? Don't have a good idea on a number.
This allows the player to capitalize on their popularity on the field, but keeps some sort of reasoning, doesn't allow players to just whore themselves out for any person and makes sure that the school is able to keep an eye on the people that are giving these players money.
Players also need to maintain a certain GPA and be working towards a major. Don't know enough in this area, but I assume that the NCAA's guidelines would be a good starting point.
Step Eight: Sell it to TV
No more BigTen network football. The CFL sells all its games as a package. Think NFL instead of MLB. No local sales. Directv wants to shell out the dollars? What about a Saturday ticket?
CBS, FOX, NBC, ABC, ESPN and ESPN2 can fight over the big games. Highest bidder gets first pick of games every week. Second highest, second pick and so on. Wall-to-wall football coverage on Saturdays. Show me the biggest games on Saturday, if I want to follow my team, I use the ticket. I do it for the Browns. If ABC wants to go regional with its coverage, go for it.
The Schools will split that money evenly among themselves.
Step Nine: Establish Harsh Penalties
You want to break the rules? You are going to get hammered. Not the kids who come years later, you. This is where a partnership of the NFL and the CFL will also pay dividends.
You get caught taking extra benefits? Suspended for the remainder of the season or six games, whichever is longer.
You get caught taking extra benefits twice? Suspended for good. Not only that, the NFL will not allow you to enter the draft until one season after you would have exhausted your college eligibility.
Same goes for Boosters. You get caught giving a kid extra benefits? Banned from all CFL games, events and functions five years. After five years, you are allowed to apply or reinstatement. If a school is caught allowing a banned booster into events? They will be banned.
Agents? Only allowed to contact players through the school. They can talk to kids of all ages, not just draft eligible players. Certain times, on campus, with proper supervision. Agents found to circumvent these rules? Banned for 5 years from CFL schools, allowed to reapply after 5 years.
Maybe it is too heavy handed, but I think you have to drop the hammer on this crap. You know why the NBA never has fights anymore? Because the NBA dropped the hammer on that. Same here people. No leeway.
So what do ya think? Am I on to something here? Where did I go wrong. Sorry for the length and any typos if I missed any.
God I miss football.
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This is really freakin’ cool. An amazing idea.
I feel like selling autographs any time you want should be up to the players too. It’s just their name and if they want money for it, then they should be able to go right ahead.
I understand the idea of harsh penalities. But the getting caught a second time for taking extra benefits penalty might be a little too harsh. A year(or more) away from playing a real, high level football game could really hurt the players in the long run.
My only problem with selling autographs whenever, would be that players could always use it as an excuse of why they get handed money. Example, car salesman A gave Player A $5,000, Player A could just claim that it was for autographs. If we limit the time where it is allowed, then it can’t be abused and the player is still able to profit from it.
As for the penalty, I figure a player that willing breaks the rules twice, just doesn’t give a flip about following the rules. Someone like that doesn’t need to be hanging around my football league. But if others agree with you, I could change it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 18, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well done. Rec. And BTW my vote was Hell Yes.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 18, 2011 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
I hate the NCAA.
You had me here.
Seriously, though, I like your ideas a lot. They’re bold, creative, interesting and totally revolutionary.
…of course, that’s why there’s not a rat’s chance in hell this plan would ever get off the ground.
The NCAA is too established — too entrenched — to allow anything like step one to occur. Can you imagine the law suits and resultant liability they would try to hang on any schools who dared break from their conference or NCAA commitments?
What would the catalyst be? Honestly, the only thing that bring this about would be some kind of governmental investigation or public scandal that leaves them no choice but to disband and reorganize.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jun 18, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
First, thanks everyone.
Second, I think someone with a crapload of money could get this done. If I’m not mistaken no one is contractually obligated to stay in the NCAA. They just do because it’s easy. If someone (Mark Cuban or Donald Trump?) approached the schools and showed them how much money is to be made (and there are BILLIONS here to be made) they just need one of the big ones to jump.
If the NCAA keeps giving the big boys the “bend over and cough” treatment when it comes to violations, it could be sooner rather than later.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 18, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they should stop televising / broadcasting college football. While this would do nothing to address any of college football’s many problems, it would provide an opportunity for the NFL to broadcast games on Saturday.
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by golanbatrac on Jun 18, 2011 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hear here!
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by notthatnoise on Jun 19, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You put two step sevens. Oh and good but absolutely no way it happens. 95% of fans would like this better but ain’t happening. Too many people afraid of change.
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Thanks for the heads up.
I knew I forgot to fix something.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 19, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You put two step sevens.
On second thought, this just might work.
Again, great wright up.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jun 19, 2011 1:42 AM EDT reply actions
my guess is that a decent team would end up paying out around 13-15k a player. Doesn’t sound like much, but this is on top of the scholarship
That’s not bad for someone still in school with no bills to pay but maybe a car payment a and a cell phone bill.
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by North Coast Flea on Jun 19, 2011 2:32 AM EDT reply actions
For some perspective: I’m a senior at Ohio State who has split (between 4) rent, water, cable, internet, gas, and electric bills, plus a need for groceries, gasoline, cell phone and spirits for a good Saturday night. I work just above minimum wage and my GROSS yearly earnings are in the $10,000-14,999 range. For a college football player who gets housing and food for free and little NEED for gasoline (mine is for work), them making anything more than $14,999 to play a game is more than unfair. I still think they should be paid, but more than that is too much. They’re still amateur athletes who get a free or at least deeply discounted college education – they do not need anything more than that.
by Don'tByBrownsQBJerseys on Jun 20, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
For the amount of money they make for the schools, that amount of money is a drop in the bucket.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 20, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to compound that amount on the nearly-$80,000 on average given for education (that’s just a state school; Andrew Luck at Stanford? Jeezsh). I know most of these players are there for football and football only, but the matter of fact is that they’re getting a free education that many other students deserve more for the hard work they put in off the field. I definitely think they deserve payment though, just making a bitter point of a loan-drowned student.
by Don'tByBrownsQBJerseys on Jun 21, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You forgot to factor in the chance of career/life threatening injuries, and by life threatening I don’t mean death necessarily, the chances of that are almost miniscule I would imagine. What I mean is on any play you could suddenly become paralyzed from the waist or neck down. You never get your old life back after that. On the other side of the coin you could pull a Gary Baxter and never get to play again. Even the minor stuff, you aren’t going to break your arm studying for that physics exam.
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by North Coast Flea on Jun 21, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
How many scholarships do these schools hand out to players/students of sports that make the school zero money?
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 21, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
its not just a game, it is work. Two-a-days, film study. With school and being on the football team, these players have very little life. This is one of the few things that Lecharles Bentley says on the radio that I do agree with. These kids work so much at playing this “game” that it is a job for them and many would not have time for jobs (even if they were allowed them).
They’re still amateur athletes who get a free or at least deeply discounted college education –
If we are going to go down that road, most college students from poor families that have a good amount of intelligence get that too, and some other people with extremely high intelligence. Don’t act like football players are the only students out there on a full ride. Considering how much funding they bring to these schools which helps improve the academic programs, its not all that much.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You"d be suprised as to how few spots are available for the “poor” & “intelligent” people. No most schools are looking to the brass ring and spending on the sports programs when they should be spending on the EDUCATION programs. I know, I went through that monkey business years ago and now 4 of my six children are going through that (2 sports scholarships & 2 on student loans) crap.
The schools need to take the $$$ they are making from sports and plow it back into lowering costs for education, to benefit all.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Haden, Cleveland Browns.
notice how you have to put poor an intelligent in quotations…There are a lot of spots for these people.
They do take a lot of the $$$ made from sports and put it to lowering education costs. Not all the $ goes back into these sports programs.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
This is way too large a generalization. Every school is different. Some schools have tons of students who can’t really afford to be there but get by on student loans and scholarships. There are schools out there that everyone can afford. I go to a very expensive private school, but we give out merit based aid, so most of my friends are people paying their own way through college. I know exactly one person who pays full tuition, and he can definitely afford it.
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by notthatnoise on Jun 21, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I know exactly one person who pays full tuition, and he can definitely afford it.
Exactly. Need based scholarships, merit based aid, Pell Grants, FSEOG Grants, State need-based grants.
When I was at buffalo, they had an Acker scholars program which was for good students who were from groups underrepresented in college (mostly, people from working class backgrounds). It was essentially need-based and it was a full ride.
These kinds of programs exist at many school and combined with all the Grants, Scholarships, Work-Study programs, SSLs, etc, very few pay full tuition.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Here’s my thing about paying players. What about basketball? Baseball? Seems a bit unfair to me. Sure, football’s a bigger sport to most schools, but still. They’re all student athletes.
I don’t know how many schools would be able to stay afloat doing this with Men’s BBall. Football is a completely different monster, and would print their own money. I’m guessing the Big Boys of CBB (Duke, UNC, OSU, Texas, Kansas, etc.) could do it, but outside of maybe 20 teams would participate. Would make for a boring tourney.
When it comes down to it, I don’t really care if it is “fair”. Football and football players make these schools money, to not pay them because of smaller sports don’t is BS.
Plus, in my proposal CFB would have some stacked schedules. More good football the better. It sucks some Saturdays when there is no top 25 match-up, sucks.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 21, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
giving football players more $ is the same logic of why professors who do lots of research get paid a lot more. Its about how much they bring to the school.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Just sucks with the playoffs because its difficult for a lot of schools to keep attracting home crowds if they keep winning, or for them to travel as well.
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Could lead to discounted package prices. Example: $100 for single game tickets, $300 for all the games, refund when your team doesn’t get through all games.
by Don'tByBrownsQBJerseys on Jun 20, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If a team keeps winning, I don’t think they would struggle to sell out their stadium.
We are talking about the big boy teams in America, the top 8. I don’t think Ohio State/Alabama/USC/Florida would have a hrad time selling out against a Div 2 opponent, let alone a do or die playoff game against another big time opponent.
As for the “road” playoff teams, I see your point, but the home teams should have the advantage anyways.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 20, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
great write-up, you’ve got some nice ideas.
but why is there some dude’s naked ass in the picture you used?
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
This would appear to merit further explanation.
ROFL!
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jun 19, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have a good reason.
Wish I did though.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 20, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think a lot of college football players could use some extra cash.
Also, anyone that can go undefeated versus good competition, no matter how small a program, gets a chance at the title, I like. I love giant killers and underdogs, and every once in a while they should have the luck to put together a winner.
I think this would be great for fans, but there would be a lot more hoopla for players and coaches. Even degrees like communications at tOSU can be difficult, and I think it would be really messy at first. I like the playoffs and the splitting money via bowls and video games, as well as relegation. Conferences would almost have to go because of relegation and the realignment of the league.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’m contempt with just a playoff with the conference winners and maybe two wildcard teams. I like the conferences. I like having conference champions. I’m still digesting a lot of what I just read though.
Interesting topic.
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LOL. Had that one coming.
I guess there's only one thing left to do.....win the whole ******* thing. - Major League
by 24rubikscube on Jun 21, 2011 2:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No divisions or conferences. The best of the best in the “A” schools, and the other in the “B” & smaller schools in the “C”. Have a playoff system kinda like the college basketball tourney. Also, maybe have a minor playoff like the NIT….
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Haden, Cleveland Browns.
I like the idea of having conference champions though. Most teams are never going to be national championshIp contenders. There’s a goal for everyone that way. Sure scheduling is broken, but I like that they play the same teams. You can’t build new rivalries playing different teams either.
I guess there's only one thing left to do.....win the whole ******* thing. - Major League
by 24rubikscube on Jun 21, 2011 3:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not saying that teams have to get rid of their rivalries, in fact it would allow schools to start new ones.
Why can’t Florida and Miami play every year? Why can’t Ohio State and Notre Dame play every year?
As for having no “conference” champions, it would give the schools a “sink or swim” mentality. In every other sport, pro and college, the goal is a National Championship/World title. Why cheapen it in College Football?
Yeah Big Ten titles are cool, but National Championships are what count no matter if you are Ohio State or Northwestern. Small schools have come up in CFB as of late (Boise State, TCU, Virginia Tech 20 years ago).
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 21, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This is one of the most unique and ingenious ideas I have heard to fix the system. I know nader had a plan I heard which was to take away the whole “amateur status” think and pay these kids like 30-40k a year, most of that going to paying for school (and I do sort of like this idea because you are psychologically more likely to want to do well when you feel like you paid for your education)
I love the “premier league” format as well. It would be very interesting to see implemented. It gives the mid-majors a chance, and they eventually have to compete with the big boys
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I might have missed it, but who decides who plays who? The schools? Schools like Michigan and Notre Dame also have lots of rivals. I just think that you’d still have the problems of, ‘this team played a much tougher schedule’ argument, although not to the same extent.
I don’t like weekday games either.
I enjoyed a different take though.
I guess there's only one thing left to do.....win the whole ******* thing. - Major League
by 24rubikscube on Jun 21, 2011 4:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This post comes off as harsh, but it’s only because I’m using my iPod. Too much to write.
I guess there's only one thing left to do.....win the whole ******* thing. - Major League
by 24rubikscube on Jun 21, 2011 4:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn’t think it was harsh at all.
The schools would work together with CFL to make schedules. Plus I think a lot of schools would work out home and home deals. Ohio State in Palo Alto this season and Stanford in the shoe the following.
Just because a schedule is open doesn’t mean you can’t keep the old rivalries going. Ohio State can still play Michigan and Notre Dame can still play USC.
I think a lot of new interesting rivalries would take place. How great would it be to see USC and Texas play every season. Or how about Michigan and West Virginia? I would love to Ohio State and Virginia Tech get together. Just because teams aren’t rivals now, doesn’t mean they can’t be in a couple years or so. Look at Penn State and Ohio State over the past 15 years.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 21, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Pa commits NCAA violation on a walk through campus. Yet they don’t see a problem with a father admitting that he accepted 180k for his soon to go to a certain school.
Seriously. This idea can’t happen fast enough.
That’s ridiculous. I could see how “voluntary” workouts could become not-so-voluntary if coaches were allowed though.
In other news, the reports that OSU players received improper benefits at car dealers have been shown to be false.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
You mean the media ran with a story before checking the facts?
I’m shocked.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 23, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the idea of separating the 120 into two divisions and allowing teams to get in the top division. I’d make 8 regional divisions and have 8 champs get a bye. Instead of voting maybe setup a bcs type formula to determine best 16 remaining and seeding for all 24. I’m not for paying the players for a number of reasons but could live with allowing players to do advertising/autographs. I feel like all the big schools have invested a lot to create a brand and should collect all the revenue made. Basically, I think fans spend money on memorabilia/tickets because it’s there team not because of certain players.
by Brocolis154033 on Jun 22, 2011 3:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
fans spend money b/c the teams are good. the teams are good b/c the players are good. there is no fan money (or not much, anyway) w/o the players.
the institutions have certainly invested in the brand, but that doesn’t mean they should reap all the rewards. those putting the most at risk — the players — get zero. that ain’t right, and that’s not how it works anywhere else in the world.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 23, 2011 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Says the man with the douchey avatar.
Stuckey watch: 31/30. Haha! I AM SET YOU UP THE BOMB!!!!
by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 23, 2011 4:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
B19K how long do you have left on that?
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by notthatnoise on Jun 23, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Emily is correct. As soon as the new season starts I’m done with him——————————————————————————————————→
Now if the new season starts on the first game or the day camp opens, I don’t know. I’m leaving that decision up to the Victor.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 23, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I bust up everytime I see that avatar. So funny.
I guess there's only one thing left to do.....win the whole ******* thing. - Major League
by 24rubikscube on Jun 24, 2011 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I might have to take it on for a while in memory of this year.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Please, spare us.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 24, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I, for one have loved this, especially when it would come along with an off-the-wall Devil’s Advocate suggestion.
I might actually miss ’ol Phil there.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I definitely will.
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jun 24, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Here I am, trying to be serious as I try to convince people that signing JaMarcus Russell is a good idea, then I look to the right and I see him in all his smugness.
Even I take myself just a little less serious when I lock eyes with that D-Bag.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 24, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Kick-off for the first official game of the regular season. That’s what I consider to be the start of football season.
Stuckey watch: 31/30. Haha! I AM SET YOU UP THE BOMB!!!!
by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 25, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
really like this idea.
your problem here is revenue to the schools. you’re giving all the tv money to the schools, which is fine, but the other licensing, bowl payoffs, etc. are crucial to the institutions funding the rest of their athletic departments AND putting cash back into some other parts of the universities. unless you’ve come up w/ a way (and you may have) to grow the pie so massively as to replace all other revenue to the university w/ just the tv, you’re taking a bite out of the schools’ revenue, and that’s not likely to fly.
I think if the teams all went in on this, all teams would make money.
After all the schools aren’t losing too much money in this scenario. Outside of the bowl payouts, Video Game money and Jersey sales, they are able to keep all their money. Plus I think the smaller schools would benefit from having the bigger schools come and play them at home (as I outlined with Ohio welcoming the Buckeyes).
We all make a big deal of MAC schools getting paid to come to the Big Boys as sacrificial lambs, but what about a full house of ticket sales, concessions and parking? I think that kind of money would be great for the school.
Plus I think the huge TV money would offset the loss of Bowl, Video Game and Jersey money, even the bottom feeder teams.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 23, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions

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