Browns 2011 Preview: Optimism vs. Skepticism
Last year we previewed the 2010 season from a optimistic and pessimistic viewpoint. There have been many changes throughout the browns organization, all which will have considerable effects on the product that is exhibited on the field, if they get a chance that is. Today we're going to look at the upcoming season from both sides of the spectrum...
QB
Colt using telekinesis to improve his throw distance
Optimist:
McCoy, one of the most successful and celebrated QB's in NCAA history, is entering his second year as an NFL QB. He has shown great leadership skills in his first year, and has seen some success. He lead the team to victories against New England and New Orleans, two of the best teams in the league last year. He ran the offense effectively and has shown some potential. His stats weren't too far off of those from Josh Freeman's rookie year, who was one of the best QB's in the league last year.
Pessimist:
When it boils down to it, Colt is still a third round QB. He's short, weak armed, and has to learn and entirely new system which kinda makes him a rookie again. Last year he had 2 good games, 3 games where he was irrelevant and 3 games where he sucked hard. And any time a QB is irrelevant, that essentially means he sucked.
My Stance: Pessimistic. I would have to be proven otherwise in this situation, because Colt had an almost mirror year of Brady Quinn. Colt has many hurdles to overcome: his size, arm strength, crappy WRs and now a completely new system. It's a positive we have some serviceable backups.
RB
Even Alex Mack is scared.
Optimist:
Killis was amongst the leagues best in YPC and touchdowns. Montario Hardesty is coming off injury so will be able to take a tremendous load off Killis. Vickers may or may not be back, but regardless the team picked up arguably the best FB in the draft to plow a hole for whoever has the ball, and he can also catch out of the backfield.
Pessimist
Hillis wore down during the year, and became ineffective later in the year. Only averaged 75 YPG, and had a severe case of fumblitis. No one expects him to have the same production as he did last year, and if Hardesty gets injured again his playing style won't allow him to dominate in the second half of the year. Fan expectations for Hardesty are too high for the fact that he's done nothing so far in the NFL. Mike Bell sucks.
My view: Pessimistic
I really don't think Hillis is nearly as effective this year, and I don't have any high hopes for Montario.
WR
In predicting MoMass's production, Shurmur will have him work out with CBs in training camp
Optimist:
Another year, another year of experience. With Robo and MoMass now having another year of experience, it ups the chance of them having a breakout year. Heckert added Little to the group, a player who had a productive year before his suspension. Carlton Michell has another year under his belt and Watson lead the team in yards last year. The rest of the TE group produced when it was necessary.
Pessimist:
Lets be real here. The WRs on this team are horrible. Robo and MoMass combine for a one-two punch of mediocracy. Greg Little is a bust waiting to happen with the hype he's been receiving around here. He has the ability to make spectacular catches I admit, he doesn't have the ability to separate, and his route running is atrocious. Played more as a gimmick for North Carolina than a true WR. Carlton Michell embarrassed himself every time he got on the field in the pre-season of last year, and didn't show anything during the season in the little opportunity he was afforded. Watson will be turning 31 and I've shown as much ability to play TE in the NFL as Jordan Cameron has.
My View: EXTREMELY pessimistic
Greg Little is a hot head, loud mouth and doesn't have much class and played as a WR for one year in his entire life. I personally don't judge players on attiitude, but anyone justifying his behavior shouldn't judge Braylon Edwards because they both carry the same demeanor. Not much has to be said about Mass and Robo, probably was the worst starting WRs in the league, tied with Carolina at least.
Offensive Line
Patty cake, patty cake.....
Optimist
There is nothing else that has to be said about Joe Thomas. Alex Mack is still learning and doing a great job, Steinbach didn't suck last year as much as he did in '09, and Pashos is coming off injury and couldn't be worse than what was placed at RT last year.
Pessimist
The front office actually contemplated placing a wooden door on the right side of the line, as the time it takes to turn a knob is shorter than the time it took to bullrush the players who held the right side down last year. No intriguing line prospects were added from the draft, and Lauvao didn't impress.
My Stance: Optimistic
The ride side can't be worst than last year at least. Not a fan of Pashos or Lauvao but I expect them to be better at minimum.
Defensive Line
...about this long................with pickles, tomatoes and mustard.
Optimist
Ahtyba Rubin led the league in tackles amongst defensive linemen. Phil Taylor was drafted in the first round of the draft, giving our interior line 700 pounds of meat. Depending on who helms the DE positions, we have players who played in the 4-3 scheme on other teams or in college.
Pessimist
Line went from a 3 man front to a 4 man, and we may not have the players necessary to run it effectively. Got rid of Rogers, who thrived in the 4-3 in Detroit, and even though they may be good at the run, neither Rubin or Taylor are good pass rushers. Taylor was a 4th round talent who was taken in the first because of a lack of heavy DT's in the draft. It's nice to have a young DE in Sheard, but his impact is unknown. People question the need of another huge DT in our scheme, and other than Sheard the DE prospects look sickening unless someone is acquired in FA
My Stance - Pessimistic
The line will consist of 2 rookies plus either Jayme Michell or Matt Roth. May grow to be good in the future, but can't expect much this year.
Linebackers
I want THAT hospital bed!
Optimist
Scott Fuijita came on the team and made an immediate impact. Even though he wasn't much of a pass rusher, he was the most experienced of the group and was the leader of the defense. Jackson is coming off injury and would probably be a better middle linebacker in the 4-3 than 3-4, and Gocong played in a 4-3 in Philly.
Pessimist
Being the best player on a bad team doesn't make you a good player. Fujita played in the 4-3 with the Saints, but his biggest downfall by the NO fans was said to be his liability in coverage. Q'qwell can stay out of an ambulance, and Gocong isn't anything special by any means. Group also lacks depth.
My Stance: Optimistic
The group isn't great by any stretch of the imagination, but they aren't horrible either. Would have liked to pick up a nice prospect in the draft. If the line plays well, the group shouldn't have trouble doing their job.
Secondary
Optimist
Joe Haden had a solid rookie season, and so did TJ Ward. With a year under their belt, they should step their game up considerably next year. Sheldon Brown was great at what he was supposed to do, play nickel mentor the young'ns. Picked up Skrine in the draft and even though he wasn't anything special in college, adds some incredible speed in the secondary.
Pessimist
TJ Ward played well in the beginning of the year, but became invisible near the end. Haden had an overrated season. Many of his picks were garbage picks from mistakes by the QB, hail maries at the end of the game, or being at the right place at the right time. Elam still sucks and Sheldon Brown is getting old. Eric Wright regressed and played pee-wee football last year.
My Stance: Optimistic
Don't think Haden will ever be a dominating CB, but solid enough and with good pieces the secondary could be effective. Need to pick up a safety in FA. Eric Wright isn't as bad as the flip floppers make him seem. I think he was put in some bad situations
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Fan expectations for Hardesty are too high for the fact that he’s done nothing so far in the NFL, and is a late round pick
The second round is late?
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jun 2, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions
Watson is now 33
Try again. (Or maybe in rocland’s world, he faked his birth certificate?)
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jun 2, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
must have been looking at the wrong watson!
I met a fairy today that granted me one wish. "I want to live forever," I said. "Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"
"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 2, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t have to lobby for ‘cautiously pessimistic’ to be included in the poll this year!
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Also: the quote under DQwell’s picture made me laugh.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I liked the McCoy and Thomas ones.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 3, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Colt… “3 games where he sucked hard”
Certainly the last two games (Ravens and Steelers) – can’t disagree (I’m assuming those are two of your 3).
But I’m curious – which is the 3rd game that you’re counting as Colt having “sucked hard”?
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 2, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions
the only one I can think of that he could say that about would be New Orleans, however he only had 16 throws and did not commit a turnover. I would call that a non-factor.
There were really only 2 games where he significantly contributed to the loss and was a detrimental player. Those were the last 2 games.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
The horrible outings in the final two games can’t be argued. But I’m hard pressed to look at any other game he played in and come up with the assessment that he “sucked hard”. I’d also argue that the Patriots, Jets and Cincinnati games should all fall into the “good games” column, especially factoring in that he was still a very green rookie in the first two, and coming off an injury in Cincinnati his performance and his numbers were very respectable.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 2, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess you could consider his first game as a starter, the one against the Steelers. he did have a TD but that was after they piled on a big lead and softened their defensive scheme. there were other factors too like Cribbs and MoMass being knocked out of the game, but he certainly didn’t help the team much at all. but i wouldn’t necessarily blame him for that being a rookie playing his first NFL game against the Steelers D.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 3, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
yes. Those are the 3 I look at and say “he was good”. In those games, he had a significant positive impact on the outcome.
The one thing that I still have questions about is whether he can play in the cold, however its hard to judge the small sample size when it was against the Steelers and Ravens
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Not a whole lot to disagree on here really. I am more optimistic about our receivers, but pessimistic about our linebackers. I picked cautiously pessimistic. I’m not expecting a good season by any means, but I don’t think they’ll be #1 overall pick bad.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
same here, although i chose optimistic because i’m always optimistic especially when Mangini isn’t coaching our team.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 3, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pessimistic for the same reason.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 3, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I went w/ cautiously pessimistic, too. Hard to argue w/ much in this piece, which is shocking considering the author. I may have mentioned this elsewhere … but layer on top of this 2 new schemes and no practice time and you’ve got to be worried.
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 8, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, so far I’m the only “Optimistic” vote, even though I agree with much of what you’ve written (nice job BTW). I do tend to have a certain irrational optimism bordering on delusional fantasy, but that’s the way I like it. Its a dirty job but someone has to do it.
BTW, did Greg Little say something nasty about your family? Just curious – you don’t seem to be a real big fan.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 2, 2011 6:56 PM EDT reply actions
I was wondering about the bit on Little myself. I’m not hip to his bio beyond the fact that he was suspended for an NCAA violation. I don’t recall details. He seemed pretty level headed in one interview that I saw. This is the first place where I’ve seen statements like “a hot head, loud mouth and doesn’t have much class” associated with his name.
I voted cautiously optimistic, though I think I may actually be more optimistically pessimistic. I don’t think it’s going to be a winning season, but I think we’ll see improvement.
I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.
Maybe the latest bit of news about Little will help temper the pessimism a bit.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass.
We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 2, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
the only thing i could think of about a character flaw is that highlight bit he had where he kicked the ball into the seats of a game after scoring a TD. he can’t be pulling a Dwayne Rudd on us losing a game like that. when it comes to his NCAA violations i don’t really consider that a major character flaw. sure he broke the rules, but they’re pretty stupid rules to begin with so you can’t be that harsh on a young guy.
compare him to Terrel Prior and they’re pretty similar. both seem well spoken and good college athletes, but i’d place Prior as a worse character guy getting his coach in such a pickle he had to resign in large part of what Prior did.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 3, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Watch youtube and see him punting the ball and talking trash to a guy whose leg he just demolished.
Though while rocland seems to be sure that these qualities that Little displayed two years ago will definitely stick with him in the NFL, the rocland is positive that getting open is one quality that Little also displayed two years ago that will definitely not.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Jun 9, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno. He has been irrationally pessimistic about the guy. According to Rocland (or LP), he sucks and will be a locker room cancer b/c of his huge ego.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I’m still trying to understand “optimistically pessimistic.”
Is this more optimistic than pessimistic but less optimistic than cautiously optimistic? Or, is it more pessimistic than cautiously optimistic but less pessimistic than pessimistic?
Cause maybe that’s what I really am. I am not sure. How do I know? This is not good. Everyone else seems confident about their feelings for the 2011 Browns. What is my problem?
Seems it would have been better to drop “Pessimistic” all the way down to the bottom of the poll? I know I’m not that.
My wife says I overthink these things…
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jun 2, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
someone get this guy a psychologist. better yet, i think we all should be seeing a shrink. Browns fans are medically insane, but i have to admit it’s more fun that way.
can any of you seriously imagine how Cleveland will explode if we won a Super Bowl? maybe that’s why the NFL screwed us over in 99 when we got the expansion team. they’re afraid of our psyche.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 3, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess that’s why I feel sad sometimes, I think.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jun 3, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what makes me sad?

YOU DO! Maybe we should chug on over to mamby-pamby land where you can find some confidence in the Cleveland Browns!
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by Dawg Nuts on Jun 10, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL. Nice one.
This was exactly who I was thinking of.
What a Jack Wagon.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jun 10, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Haden was “in the right place at the right time”…isn’t that his job?
by Uriah33 on Jun 2, 2011 10:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah I thought all picks were the result of being in the right place at the right time.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 3, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That’ll tend to happen, when your job is to put yourself in the right place at the right time… and you do it damn well.
Basically what Uriah33 said.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
aside from the hail mary pass against the Jets at the end of regulation of the 4th quarter, i can’t think of any of his picks as being a bad one. and you can’t really blame the guy being a rookie. he’ll understand with time that it would’ve been better to deflect it downward than to catch it near the goal line. that game was very heated and i’m sure a lot of the players, even those on the Jets, were losing their frame of mind quite a bit.
overall what won that game for the Jets is the difference of experience between Mangini and Rex Ryan. sure we had that fumble that could’ve won it, but even as close as that game was i feel like we were outperformed.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 3, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly. there are very few picks that you see where a guy covers a significant amount of ground to get the pick. the best guys (Ed Reed) can do that, but very few can. most picks are about playing good coverage and getting a bad throw.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Ed Reed is a safety, it’s not the same because of the nature of the position.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
No, don’t you get it? Haden sucks and is terrible and the only good CBs are the ones that teleport to where the ball is going in order to make INTs.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Jun 9, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Greg Little is a hot head, loud mouth and doesn’t have much class and played as a WR for one year in his entire life. I personally don’t judge players on attiitude, but anyone justifying his behavior shouldn’t judge Braylon Edwards because they both carry the same demeanor.
Other than Little playing WR for one season, is any of this true?
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 2, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i don’t agree with it, even before the new thread came out with Little announcing he’d play with the offensive guy at Colt’s mini-camps. also, i never had a personal issue with Braylon’s behavior aside from his constant defense of himself toward fans disliking him because of being a former Wolverine and the incident with Donte Stallworth where he was at the same party the night of Donte’s manslaughter. Braylon’s only major problem was that he had a knack for dropping the ball in key moments of the game, expecially in the 08 season.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 3, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
My Stance: Pessimistic. I would have to be proven otherwise in this situation, because Colt had an almost mirror year of Brady Quinn.
aside from their winning percentage and TD/INT ratio, McCoy fared a little better than Quinn. his passer rating was up by 7-8 points and his completion percentage was up about the same margin. McCoy even had 200 more yards compared to Quinn while playing in 2 less games giving McCoy about 2.5 yards more per pass attempt which could very well be the difference in a first down conversion on any given 2nd or 3rd down.
however, i believe the biggest difference between the two is the so called intangibles. Quinn has a little more height and is about 30lbs. heavier than McCoy, but Quinn never had the determination to be a winning QB the way Colt has. just looking at college careers alone, Colt outperformed Brady with 45 overall victories compared to Brady’s 30 in each of their 4 years in college. and aside from Colt’s injury in the BCS game in 09 that likely lost the game for the Longhorns, Colt won the 3 other bowl games he played in compared to the 3 Brady lost in.
sure you could credit Texas being a better program than Notre Dame in recent history, but a huge part of what made them so great during that span was Colt’s determination to win which led his team to excellence. i think that same mentality will carry over (and has already begun to) for our team. maybe we won’t ever be Super Bowl bound with Colt, but we’ll at least be playoff contenders sometime in the near future compared to the pathetic attempt Quinn tried to lead us to.
and lets not forget about Brain Sipe. he is very similar to McCoy’s stature. he had all the same doubts about his size and strength. but bottom line, he was a winner and one of the Browns greatest QBs behind Graham and Kosar, maybe even better than Kosar. i’m not saying Colt will be the duplicate of Sipe, but the reference is that you can’t hate on the kid just for being a little shorter and having a little less power in his throwing motion.
btw all the stats i obtained are from pro-football-reference.com
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
I think LP is just sent from some mystical being vying for balance to outweigh all the optimism from every Browns fan.
"buuuuuuuh!"--- Mooncamping
I am pretty optimistic about the coming season as long as there is one for the following reasons:
+ We have a much easier schedule than last years, which was pretty ridiculous.
+ Colt McCoy was very impressive before getting hurt. His last 2 games could have been as easily injury related as it was cold weather related. If he stays healthy I could see him developing into a very Montanaesque QB (who was also “short and weak armed”).
+ We have a great young core of guys who seem to “get it” they also seem to genuinely more interested in playing football than seeing how much bling they can accumulate.
+ We have a quality organization that seems to be in sync from top to bottom. I don’t think the importance of this can be stressed enough, but it is one of the things a lot of fans don’t pay enough attention to.
The only reason I have to be pessimistic is that most of these young guys will have to learn new systems on the fly. However, I think in some strange way, this may end up being a positive. The playbooks may have to be initially simplified letting the players play faster, simpler ball – something that works well for young guys trying to figure it all out.
I also think the ring of fame is awesome for the new guys and helps them understand the awesome footsteps that they walk in.
We have a much easier schedule than last years
Can’t really say this in June.
Colt McCoy was very impressive before getting hurt.He gave us reason to hope, but nothing more. He looked like a rookie.
We have a great young core of guysWe’ve got like 4 young guys most other teams would be excitted about.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 4, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, you can kind of say in June. Although teams do get better and worse, I am willing to bet sig/picture bet on here that it is significantly easier. People look at the past for a reason. Even in volatile sports, its a solid predictor of future events and past events tell us that the NFC west sucks and the AFC East is dominant.
We have at least double the amount of players that other teams would be excited about (Haden, Ward, Rubin, Phil Taylor, Benard, Thomas, mack, Hillis, possibly: Colt, Little, moore)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Most teams don’t even know who the hell Benard is. And I would exclude Rubin and Hillis because even though Browns fans love him, rubin is a role player and far from impact. Hillis is a favorite and very hard working, but he had the same production as BenJarvus Green-Ellis. Taylor is a 3rd round pick who got lucky enough to be the heaviest person in the draft.
In summation, we have the same or maybe even fewer “young exciting guys” as ever other bad team in the league
I met a fairy today that granted me one wish. "I want to live forever," I said. "Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"
"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 5, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
actually, teams do. He isn’t cameron Wake, but you don’t get 11 sacks in your first 21 games in the league without no one noticing.
rubin is a role player and far from impact.
…and this is where you lose your credibility.
BenJarvus Green-Ellis couldn’t put up 1/2 of the numbers he did in any other offense. He thrives in that offense, but he is nowhere near the pure young talent that Hillis is.
In summation, you are full of crap.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
actually, teams do. He isn’t cameron Wake, but you don’t get 11 sacks in your first 21 games in the league without no one noticing.
Benard was good enough to be the 31st pass rusher in the league, and pretty crappy in run defense. He get’s most of his sacks with all out blitzes. Point is, he’s nothing special, and no one knows who he is.
…and this is where you lose your credibility.
So how exactly is Rubin an impact player? With him in our defense, we still ranked near the bottom in run defense and he’s not a great pass rusher. He’s a solid player that goes unnoticed by the league because he doesn’t impact the game nor make others around him better. He will probably never go to a pro bowl.
BenJarvus Green-Ellis couldn’t put up 1/2 of the numbers he did in any other offense. He thrives in that offense, but he is nowhere near the pure young talent that Hillis is.
I didn’t ask you for your pointless conjecture. NE has never been a team that has produced amazing RB’s, so there is no reason to contribute his success to their offense.
I met a fairy today that granted me one wish. "I want to live forever," I said. "Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"
"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 5, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
actually, teams do. He isn’t cameron Wake, but you don’t get 11 sacks in your first 21 games in the league without no one noticing.
just to prove a point, you probably couldn’t tell me who Raheem Brock or Cliff Avril played for and they had more sacks than Benard.
I met a fairy today that granted me one wish. "I want to live forever," I said. "Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"
"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 5, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I could. Avril plays for the lions. He is either in his 2nd year or 3rd year, I know he is young.
Brock is on the Seahawks now I believe, He was with Indy for a long time.
I don’t really care to argue with someone so asinine and condescending.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You’re the one who told me I was full of crap yet I’m the condescending one. No one cares about Benard, deal with it.
I met a fairy today that granted me one wish. "I want to live forever," I said. "Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"
"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 6, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Cliff Avril is very underrated.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
BJGE had TOM BRADY to take the defense off of him. We had nothing close. Teams knew they had to stop Hillis and Watson and we would be screwed.
They still couldn’t stop Hillis.
Oh, and stopping the run is a pretty important “role” to play. Especially in this division.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Last year’s schedule looked pretty manageable until the Bucs and Chiefs went for 10+ wins.
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 8, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Last year’s schedule still looked tough. If you went purely by the previous season’s standings, we had the 10th toughest schedule. Thats tough, but not the insanely tough schedule we faced.
Based on last year’s standings, we have the 19th toughest schedule (we will never have a “soft” schedule because of the Steelers/Ravens). I doubt we even approach top 10, let alone top 5 overall (where we were this year).
And honestly, I don’t see a Bucs/Chiefs yet. maybe the Rams if Bradford gets going, but many of the other non-conference teams we face (Arizona, Seattle, Tennessee, SF) are all regressing from seasons no better than ours. Indy will be better than they were and maybe Houston gets a competent D, but early signs are that it will be significantly easier.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
The reason Colt was impressive to me was his ability to run the 2 minute offense as a rookie. He obviously thrives under pressure – this is a good quality for NFL QBs.
by HenryDawg on Jun 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brady Quinn’s “strong suit” was running the no huddle/2 minute. I’m just sayin…
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by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 8, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? I don’t remember him leading any late game drives?
by HenryDawg on Jun 9, 2011 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To be fair, did we ever find ourselves in a situation a two minute drive would have mattered!
"I wasn’t asked to catch the ball and go out in the flats and run routes, because that wasn’t how our offense was," Lawrence Vickers said. "Now people are lying and people think I can’t catch. I guess I shouldn’t have started knocking people out."
You couldn’t even write a fake optimistic point to save your life.
And when you agree with the optimistic point, you insert bits of pessimism so that you can take that position.
Oh, and your (poor) player evaluation and lack of understanding about the way we approached the game last year are glaring.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
You couldn’t even write a fake optimistic point to save your life.
lmao
And when you agree with the optimistic point, you insert bits of pessimism so that you can take that position.
thats because there is absolutely no position on this team to be overly excited about. Even in our strongest positions there are glaring weaknesses.
Oh, and your (poor) player evaluation and lack of understanding about the way we approached the game last year are glaring.
My approach is fine and is viewed the way everyone else on the outside view us. Not using Brown colored glasses, sorry if I don’t use enough unreasonable justifications for you
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"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 9, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
thats because there is absolutely no position on this team to be overly excited about.
LT, C, CB and DT.
See how easy that was?
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 9, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don’t you know? Tuba is not any better than below average and Phil Taylor is a third round talent who got picked in the first and ranked high on boards everywhere because of his height and weight and nothing he did on a football field.
But even though I believe one guy has already failed before he has played a down in the NFL and thusly am comparing him to a third round talent, I totally think we should have picked up a young LB prospect in the draft instead of wasting those fourth rounders on positions that I completely gloss over (never mind that they are strong points on the team, I have a way of completely neglecting positive things).
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by rufio on Jun 10, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In context to the article obviously I meant position group.
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"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 11, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, I am seriously excited about our defensive line. I am high on Rubin and I loved the Taylor pick. Sheard has potential and I really like the fact that he isn’t a one trick pony rusher.
I am excited about our defensive backfield. We have keepers in Haden and Ward. Sounds like we will spend money on another safety (Weddle? Whitner?) and improve that spot. I think Eric Wright will be back with this club and have a huge chip on his shoulder. Haven’t even mentioned Brown, who was solid, if unspectacular.
As for the O-Line, I have hopes that Luavo can fill a role. I think Pashos can return and Womack can return and play well again. If not we have a youngster that many thought highly of, and could get a shot.
The Browns have position groups to get excited about (TE?), you just have to look. It’s not all doom and gloom.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 11, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont forget TE (Watson was the best pass catching TE in the AFCN last year).
I May be in the minority but I am actually optimistic about our WR. I feel like they are built to be WCO WR’s. We really dont have a burner (Mitchell is as close as they come) but with the quick strike offense Pat ran in STL we dont really need one. With us having 3 TEs that can catch, Hillis who can do everything, and then young WR who seem to be working hard this offseason with Colt (3 camp colts already in the book) I expect improvements.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jun 14, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, dude, there’s no reason to be optimistic about our wr’s. i can see being optimistic about the new offensive system, but the wr’s suck.
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 14, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. Our WR were playing in a system that played up their weaknesses. Mangini/Daboll had them running 20+ yd routes when they lack the high end speed to get separation on those types of routes.
ill gladly eat crow if we dont succeed this season, but I expect atleast 2 of the 4 WRs (MoMass, Robo, Little, Mitchell) to break out in a big way.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jun 14, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
DCMJ is right. Our receivers pretty much suck. I’m just hoping H & H knew what they were doing when they drafted Little and that he’s not a head case. Maybe Robo will have a breakout year. I have little reason to believe MoMass or Mitchell will amount to much, but I guess you never know.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 14, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I am stoked about Little.
The rest, meh. I have a small bit of hope for MoMass.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 14, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair point on little. I’m excited to see what he’s got, too.
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 15, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Same. The guy certainly looks the part in films I’ve seen of him – appears to be a real beast.
Just hoping the ‘character’ issue is a non-issue.
Then again, from what I’ve seen / heard so far the only “problem” he’s had has been controlling his aggression on the field (?). If this is his only ‘issue’, I suppose I could live with it :)
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 15, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
As a visitor from another team's site,
I won’t give you any reasons to be pessimistic.
But, here’s a reason for Browns fans to be optimistic, IMO:
Mike Holmgren
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
by NorthStarr on Jun 11, 2011 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Absolutely agree.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 12, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Little Brother is watching you.
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by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
OT.
So I was looking for a pic of the guy from the y2k episode of king of the hill, so I typed in king of the hill I poop in an outhouse. (I remember him saying it a couple times.) A FEW KotH pics came up but when I scrolled down and saw this one I just had to laugh because I just know it came up because of the word poop:
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 17, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions

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