Off Topic: Books
by emily522 on Jun 6, 2011 6:18 PM EDT
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I thought doing a books topic would be fun, especially because I love to read. Judging by the various opinions on movies, music, and television, I'm sure this community has very diverse taste in books as well.
Emily's Favorite Books:
-The Harry Potter series: I love these books so much. J.K. Rowling is an absolute genius. Not only did she create a whole other world, but she reinvented the term "magic". When you read the books, it's just incredible to see the amount of detail she put into the wizarding world. I've read the series twice, and each time you read the books, you notice something new or something that will connect to a storyline in a later book. Hermione Granger is one of my favorite literary characters ever.
-To Kill a Mockingbird: Great novel. I love that it's told from a child's perspective but still really reflective.
-Jane Austen novels: Pride and Prejudice is my favorite Austen (ask SpecialBrownie for a summary! ;). The only Austen I didn't like was Persuasion. Incredibly boring.
I've decided not to go into any more detail about these other books, since it will make this post incredibly long.
-Wuthering Heights
-The Great Gatsby
-The Scarlet Letter
-Catcher in the Rye
-Picture of Dorian Gray
-Crime and Punishment
-The Sound and the Fury
-Animal Farm
-Atonement
-Perks of Being a Wallflower
-Jodi Picoult novels
-Nicholas Sparks novels (extreme guilty pleasure)
And last but not least... TWILIGHT AKA THE GREATEST BOOKS OF ALL TIME! (Just kidding!)
On my current "to read" list that never ends: Anna Karenina, Rebecca, East of Eden, and a few Jodi Picoult books
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I am in the middle of the Clash of Kings, which is the second book of “A Song of Ice and Fire”. The first book is “Game of Thrones” that is one HBO right now. First 45% of GoT is brutal, but really gets good after that. CoK has been a page turner so far.
I also just finished the Micheal Connelly book “The Fifth Witness”. I have read all his Mickey Haller books (the “Lincoln Lawyer” was just made into a movie. Great book, didn’t see the movie) but none of the Harry Bosch books (unless you count “The Reversal” which had them both).
I’m thinking of starting the “Bourne Identity” line of books. If anyone has read them, I would love to hear how they were.
The Bourne books are on my ‘to read’ list. Just waiting to find the first one on the cheap (have the second and third).
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Amazon has one for 2 bucks plus shipping if you’re interested.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 6, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I buy everything but books on Amazon. Going to used bookstores and digging through the stacks is one of my favorite things to do. I’ll eventually stumble across a hardcover version to match the two I already have.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
books, aside from the occasional video game or dvd, is about the only thing i will buy from Amazon.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 7, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Strictly a Library guy myself. I will never re-read a book, so why would I buy it? I don’t see myself exhausting the libraries supply anytime soon.
i buy every book i read, but i tend to fall in love with every book i read, which honestly isn’t that many. out of my whole collection i probably have around 50 or 60 books or so. i plan on re-reading each book at some point seeing as how i love them all so much. if not i at least want that possibility that 30-40 years from now when i’m old and bored i’ll have something to do.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
in 30-40 years, I imagine more and more people will have all their favorite books saved to an electronic device of some type. Given that, there is still something magical about holding a brand new book in your hands. Browsing thru Barnes and Nobles is much greater than browsing thru Barnes and Noble online store. I would love to have a library room in my house with a ladder than rolls around the room. But Alas, my money is spent on more practical things.
in 30-40 years, I imagine more and more people will have all their favorite books saved to an electronic device of some type.
my sister just bought a kindle and should it to me the other day. i said," that’s cool." then asked, “but what does it smell like?” i will never own such a device.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 9, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
damn typos… SHOWED*
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 9, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I have many leather-bound books. My apartment smells of rich mahogany.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on Jun 8, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rumor is that some libraries are going to starting “loaning” books to kindles.
Pretty stoked about that.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 8, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
They already are lending e-books for nooks and tablets and other devices that don’t use proprietary file formats.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Well, it looks like I am behind the times then.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 8, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I just rented Drive by Daniel Pink thru the Cuyahoga County Public Library onto my HTC EVO. Had to download Overdrive Media Console App and get a Adobe epub license….all for free.
at first i thought you meant you were reading a book while you drive, but because i can’t stand to have books read to me, i didn’t realize you meant a vocal version of it.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 9, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I did not get the audio book, although that option is also available thru the Library and Overdrive App. I got the eBook which I read on my phone – much like it would be thru a Kindle.
oooh when you said HTC Evo i was thinking of a car, not the phone. my bad.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 10, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I have just about stopped buying books, too.
If you took everything that is available to read for free on the internet, and threw out everything that I would never, ever be interested in reading,
what would be left would be more than I could read, even if, somehow, I could forego eating, sleeping, work and all things football, and read 24-7-365 for a very long lifetime.
This includes all of the classic literature that I didn’t read as a child, which is out of copyright and in the public domain, and is availble to read, in its entirety, through sites such as Online Literature Library, Online Books Page and Bartleby.
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
I read the first 30 pages of GoT, and then quit. Seemed like way to many characters to remember and I didn’t think I could read that whole book in the 3 week Library timeframe and still watch all the Indians gams. I may try it again now that I know I just need to get thru the first half before the series gets good.
Yeah the first half is brutal. I felt the same about the amount of characters.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 8, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite book is George Orwell’s 1984. I also enjoyed A Tale of Two Cities, Animal Farm, The Canterbury Tales in high school, The Tragical History of Doctor Faustus, Gulliver’s Travels, Morte D’Arthur, Paradise Lost, and The Country Wife in college.
I actually like Graphic Novels (essentially long comics in novel format) a lot more though. All-time favorites:
Watchmen – (writer: Alan Moore, Artist: Dave Gibbons) This is one of the greatest works of fiction ever created. It had every element brilliantly pieced together into a superhero mystery tale, in which most of the protagonists don’t actually have super natural powers. It was innovative for the genre during its time, and remains an incredibly unique story today. Only bastardized by its typical Hollywood counterpart. If you haven’t seen the film, I highly recommended reading this graphic novel first, even if you don’t like comics (I didn’t).
Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid on Earth – (Writer / Artist: Chris Ware) This graphic novel, too, is unlike anything in it’s format (comics). It’s the tale of a lonely middle aged man named, as you may have guessed, Jimmy Corrigan. Ware accomplishes things in story telling that can only be done through a graphic novel, yet hadn’t even been imagined up until Corrigan. It’s extremely real and relatable, but still really out there. For me, it was more than just a story, it was an experience. It expressed emotion and made its readers feel it too. Again, another that comes highly recommend, it’s not what you might think as a comic.
Maus – (Writer / Artist: Art Spiegelman) This graphic novel is based entirely on the true story of Vladek Spiegelman, Art’s father and his struggle to survive in the Nazi death camps, only with some animal representation, mice being Jews and cats being Nazis. This, much like the previous two, is nothing like the typical comic. It tells a very real story of survival and relationships. Books from that era have been written many times before, but what really blew me away was how well the storytelling was here as well as the actual extraordinary events that took place in Vladek’s life combined with an entirely new perspective and format. Not just it being a graphic novel with cats and mice, but it’s retold in through Art’s last conversations with his father. Out of the three graphic novels here, this is the most likely to be loved by the casual reader, highly recommended.
I also liked Kick-Ass and The Killing Joke. Currently reading: The Sandman: Preludes & Nocturnes (no spoilers please!)
To read: Ghost World, Fun Home: A Family Tragicomic, Batman: The Dark Knight Returns
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
A Tale of Two Cities
Read it here.
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
I was super duper pumped to see the movie and I figured I should read the comic first, and I was blown away. So blown away I never bothered to see the movie as there is no way it could do that comic justice.
"Quote goes here."
As someone who never read the comics, the movie sucked.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 6, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m glad I’m not the only one who didn’t like it. Reply to Golan as well.
Most of my friends really like but haven’t read the graphic novel, which is disappointing, but their loss.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I read a lot of comics, and I couldn’t even finish Watchmen. Thought it was just drawn out and kind of boring.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I liked Animal Farm. I do my best to avoid Dickens and to avoid anything written prior to 1800. Watchmen is good; Jimmy Corrigan is great, though not as original as you let on; Maus is okay; The Killing Joke made it safe for every woman in the DC universe to get brutally raped; Sandman was good when I first read it, but doubt I’d care for it now (though there are a handful of terrific issues that I wouldn’t mind rereading), Ghost World is second rate Clowes, Fun Home I have not read, and the Dark Knight Returns is a good, quick read.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Interesting thoughts. On Corrigan, perhaps I just haven’t seen anything like it before or since in any literary form, until which point, I stand by my comments about it’s originality.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Yeah, I think you just haven’t read enough comics to know. Nothing in JC hadn’t been done before in one book or another. Navel gazing is a time honored tradition in alt/underground comics. Ware’s just better at it than everyone else.
If you’ve read the book without reading the individual comics, you might be interested in this:
http://www.amazon.com/ACME-NOVELTY-LIBRARY-Chris-Ware/dp/B000NAKKUC
The best of the JC comics. For some reason, left out of the collection. Absolutely Brutal.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
You’re probably right, I’m new to comics, choosing (mostly non-super hero) graphic novels. After I finished JC, I looked at some other stuff by Ware, but didn’t end up buying anything, instead paying for Maus pt. 2 and Sandman, which I knew I wanted to read.
I really like going to bookstores as well (the bigger the better, imo), I’ll give that a look if it’s there.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Do you have any graphic novels that I didn’t mentioned that you’d recommend?
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
For starters:
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Hole-Charles-Burns/dp/0375714723/ref=pd_sim_b_5
http://www.amazon.com/Asterios-Polyp-David-Mazzucchelli/dp/0307377326/ref=pd_sim_b_3
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I feel Dickens is hit-or-miss. His middling stuff is painful to get through (Great Expectations) while his best (David Copperfield, AOTC) can be pretty enthralling.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Senior year, we were supposed to read Great Expectations. My teacher was gone for a week following Christmas break, and I figured that that was next on our list. So I started to read ahead. I think I got to page 60. I hated it so much. My sister had to read it and didn’t like it, but she said A Tale of Two Cities is good.
Of course, my teacher came back and decided we weren’t going to read Great Expectations since we were behind.
I would always do that too, read ahead in English class, got me in trouble all the time.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 7, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
the problem is, not only is it kinda stupid in part imo (ms. havisham is such a bizarrely dumb character to have created), but it is also written in a dialect that is no longer in use. Its like trying to understand someone speaking in Cockney Rhyming Slang or Shelta.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
written in a dialect that is no longer in use
I had to read quite a bit of stuff like that last semester.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I really dislike having to read things like that. Things like “A Clockwork Orange” that have brilliant symbolism I can make it worth my while, however other things like “Great Expectations” are not at all worth it.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
The only Dickens I’ve ever read is A Christmas Carol. I love the story, I love the movie renditions of it, and I read it every Christmas.
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
I hated Great Expectations as a freshman but later learned to love it’s story. I like the alternate ending he wrote for it better as well.
Nissan GT - R.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jun 8, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Dr. Faustus is great. Picked it up because of my english class.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I loved it. I read it in my Brit Lit I class last semester.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I also wanted to say I want to read Watchmen. I have heard great things and anything that names characters after Percy Shelley poems and Psychological tests seems very intriguing.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
i never read the graphic novel of Watchmen, but i loved the movie. i know it took a few pieces out of the story as a friend of mine told me so, but i still really enjoyed it. movies tend to do that though.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 7, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i know it took a few pieces out of the story as a friend of mine told me so
Understatement. Not only did it take pieces out, it slightly altered some pieces, drastically altered others, and ignored vital elements to the storyline. Only the very basic idea of the primary plot remained the same.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
then i’ll certainly look into the graphic novels as i’m sure they’ll be really awesome.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 7, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that’s a bit harsh. My biggest complaint is that the ending was different, but I don’t think it was as bad as you’re making it out. I didn’t expect the movie to live up to the novel though, so I might be benefitting from low expectations here.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Don’t I know it.
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by golanbatrac on Jun 6, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I will pretty much read anything. Pendragon is an amazing series, Catcher in the Rye is great, The Road is amazing, Nick and Norah’s Infinite Playlist is great. I can just about talk about any book. I am a true bookworm. English was always one of my favorite classes so I can talk about books forever.
The voice of youthful optimism.
I like a lot of stuff. I like some sci-fi like William Gibson’s stuff and Snow Crash. I love anything by Oscar Wilde. I love Orwell and Joseph Heller. I like the LOTR series.
Far and away my favorite author is Kurt Vonnegut.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Also the Great Gatsby and To Kill a Mockingbird are fantastic.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
i just bought it recently, but haven’t taken the time to read it. i keep hearing how great it is.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think someone recommended Snow Crash the last time we had a book discussion. Going to have to check that one out.
Couldn’t get through Catch-22 for some reason. Same with Vonnegut. I think I’ve read half of every book he ever published, but never finished one of them.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I just finished Catch-22 and thought it was absolutely amazing. That said, it did take me absolutely forever to read, and it is all over the place. But, my God, I don’t know if I’ve ever read a more ridiculous book. In that same vein, I also love most of Chuck Pahlaniuk’s stuff, just finished Pygmy. And even further down that path is Christopher Moore, who is also incredibly absurd, hilarious, and brilliant.
I think I mentioned that I was part way through it, and someone else gave it a glowing recommendation. It’s a very good book, and you can probably find it pretty cheap.
I can understand the Vonnegut and Catch-22 thing. It’s a style you either have a taste for or you don’t.
Another book I want to recommend is Devil in the White City. It’s a nonfiction book that compares the lead architect of the Chicago World’s Fair and a serial killer H.H. Holmes who was active in the city at the time focusing on the similar social factors that influences each. It’s entirely factual but written like a novel.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Devil in the White City
A book I recommended last time we talked books. Excellent read.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Larson’s new book, In The Garden of Beasts: Love, Terror, and An American Family in Hitler’s Berlin, looks interesting as well, even if it takes place in a pretty tired setting.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 7, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s one of the best contemporary novels I’ve ever read. Maybe my 20th century fav. Chalk full of truthiness.
I agree one should take the time to read it slowly to thoroughly enjoy it.
The movie screenplay is pretty amazing as well when you look at what Buck Henry had to work with.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jun 8, 2011 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not exactly a bookworm, so my favorites list has to be taken in context (i.e. I’m not an avid book reader and there are many authors I need to check out…).
1. Grapes of Wrath (John Steinbeck) – far and away the greatest book I’ve ever read. Picked it up and literally could not put it down until I finished.
2. Lonesome Dove (Larry McMurtry) – I think the only western I’ve ever read. My wife (native Texan) turned me on to it and I was reluctant (not a particularly big fan of westerns – books or movies…). It is a masterpiece. Highly recommended.
3. Kurt Vonnegut (just noticed NTN’s comment above – definitely with you, he is one of my all time favorites). Vonnegut was a genius. Vonnegut books that I’ve read and that I highly recommend: Slaughterhouse-Five, Mother Night, Cat’s Cradle.
4. Bonfire of the Vanities (Tom Wolfe) – (from the wikipedia overview: “drama about ambition, racism, social class, politics, and greed in 1980s New York City…”) – really high drama mixed with dark but hilarious comic relief. An incredible story / very insightful look at the life of a wall street bond trader and a series of events that turns his life upside down. A great read.
5. Anything by Ray Bradbury – I’ve read a number of his books and short stories and consider him one of the greatest authors of the 20th century.
6. Jurassic Park (Michael Crichton) – Great book. I had read it before I ever saw the movie and I think it made me enjoy the movie even more.
7. Arthur C. Clarke – the books 2010: Odyssey Two and 2061: Odyssey Three (sequels to 2001 A Space Odyssey) are excellent if you are into science fiction (although I tend to consider Clarke’s work almost more “science speculation” because of the accuracy of the science his novels are founded on). I’ve read other books by Clarke and have enjoyed pretty much everything I’ve read from him.
There’s more, I just need to jog the memory, which ain’t what it used to be…
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 6, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions
Ray Bradbury. Yes.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jun 6, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I find most of Michael Crichton’s work to be fantastic. Pick up State of Fear if you’re looking for a really interesting read.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough in the second half you give what's left."
I’ll check it out. Airframe is another good one from Crichton.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 8, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I should mention this here. As a Browns fan, if you haven’t read “False Start: How the New Browns Were Set-up to Fail”, I suggest you get it ASAP. Fantastic write-up. Will make you pull your hair out.
Looks like you can get it on Amazon for less than 2 dollars used.
Sold. I’ll have to order that one and check it out.
Reminds me of another really good football book I read years ago: Meat on the Hoof: The Hidden World of Texas Football (Gary Shaw).
Shaw chronicles his experiences as a lineman for the Longhorns under Coach Darrell Royal. It is a stark portrayal of the brutal methods employed by coach Darrell Royal an his coaching staff (designed to ‘break’ the weaker prospects on the squad).
To quote a reviewer on amazon.com who describes it well: "A squad filler at the University of Texas in the 1960s whose battle with injuries resulted in humiliating drills and occasional bullying from the coaching staff (presumably in an effort to get him to quit school and give up his scholarship), Shaw details the chew-em-up and spit-em-out approach which ultimately forced him off the team. It is a sensitive, poignant and indicting representation of college sports, one which should have debunked the “student-athlete” myth once and for all."
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 6, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
(re – the last part from the reviewer: “and indicting representation of college sports, one which should have debunked the "student-athlete" myth once and for all”) – indicting of some of Royal’s methods perhaps, but the reviewer’s assessment is a bit too sweeping in extending it to all of college sports IMO.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 6, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I may have to pick that up. Sounds interesting.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 6, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not really a fan of reading stuff that I know will really piss me off, even if I know it’s totally true.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
It really gives you an insight to why the Browns were really poorly run those first few years.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 6, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i read it and liked it a lot. of course, i didn’t like what actually happened, but being a child in the 90s i knew virtually nothing about the reality of what happened in 95 with Modell and how the NFL went about re-establishing the Browns in Cleveland. it gave me great insight and perspective that i otherwise would not have known, and as much as i dislike what i learned i appreciate the truth i was able to obtain. i’m one of those painfully honest type people. my girlfriend hates it.
another Browns book i loved reading was Kardiac Kids: The Story of the 1980 Cleveland Browns by Jonathon Knight. again, a very dramatic and overall sad story, but i loved getting that real taste of Browns history in my mind. Knight did a good job expressing the excitement and horror that revolved around that season. these two books helped solidify my fanhood and truly allowed me to appreciate what it means to love Cleveland Browns football.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 7, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked it a lot. Really short though. Then again it was written during the Davis Administration. I liked the insight of what struggles Al Lerner had in purchasing the team.
Of Terry Pluto’s books, I highly recommend:
The Curse of Rocky Colavito- It’s on the Indians between the 60’s and the 80’s. Lots of great stories of the struggling years.
Our Tribe: On the whole history of the Indians. Both great books and by far Pluto’s best work. Both must reads for any Tribe fan. This one’s my favorite.
1964: When all the World was Browns Town- Pretty good. The first half is better than the second half. The first half is on the Paul Brown years, the Modell team purchase, and the 1964 championship season. The second half is kind of player profile of players of the team, and gives more insight of the era. Worth reading.
His newer books aren’t quite as good. Like many authors after they have success, they seem rushed for a quick easy profit. The three books above are steller though.
i never finished 1964 but i did enjoy the first half or so that i read.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really read literature, but I’ve read pretty much everything by Dave Barry and Neal Stephenson. I’m also pretty big on the Aliens books (they’re better sequels than 3 and Resurrection) My favorite series is probably the Hitchhiker’s Guide to The Galaxy trilogy.
I’m a fan of certain comic strips as well, as I have every Calvin & Hobbes collection, most Foxtrot, and a large amount of Get Fuzzy and Pearls Before Swine.
In terms of Browns/Cleveland stuff I have a pretty good book called “Legends By The Lake”, which was written during our hiatus from existence. Lots of good interviews with classic players in it.
"Quote goes here."
If you love strips, you should pick up this soon to be published collection:
http://www.amazon.com/Pogo-Complete-Sunday-Strips-Through/dp/1560978694
Best strip ever, IMHO.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I had a Siamese I named Bukky
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 7, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta love Foxtrot, Get Fuzzy, and Pearls Before Swine. also Baby Blues, Red and Rover, classics like Garfield and Peanuts, Marvin, Blondie, Herman’s Lagoon, Hi and Lois, Jump Start, and Zits.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 7, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Halo Series. Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, Contact: Harvest and The Cole Protocol.
All amazing books.
Also love books like The Road, Death Be Not Proud, Holes, Black Hawk Down, War of the Worlds, Worst Case Scenarios…
Nissan GT - R.
Sexy. Sexy. Sexy.
Also, this is more video games but I just saw the Halo 4 trailer. I’m stoked but my realism of quality factor is set slightly above meh. I know it’s a very early trailer but I saw some things I was meh about. If anyone cares, ask. I don’t want to thread jack.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jun 7, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’ll bite. I played through all of the Halo games and enjoy that universe, but have never considered picking up one of the novels. Are they really that good? Like, the quality of writing is well above average?
From what I hear, the expanded universe (to borrow a Star Wars term) stuff is for the most part awesome and better than the stories in the games themselves.
Wow that is one nerdy ass sentence.
"Quote goes here."
Hard not to sound too much like a nerd when discussing books, sci-fi and video games simultaneously. I might have to check one of them out sometime.
The Halo books are very well written. The best ones being Fall of Reach, Contact: Harvest and Ghosts of Onyx. You’d be very surprised.
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Sexy. Sexy. Sexy.
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 7, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Books I love that some people understandably hate: On the Road, Walden Pond, Into the Wild.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
All terrific. Kerouac’s The Dharma Bums, Desolation Angels and The Subterraneans are all well worth reading as well. Desolation Angels is particularly good.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I have a copy of The Dharma Bums, but have never cracked it open. That will probably change this summer.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 7, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Walden annoys me because to me, its “hipster Thoreau”.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
That’s probably why I like it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
ah. I appreciate “true hipster” ideas, but he delves a little to close to the “hipster hypocrisy”
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Guy was just experimenting. He wasn’t as isolated as his book makes out, sure, but it’s an interesting exercise nevertheless.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I read a lot of history books, but I have this awful tendency to start a new book shortly before finishing the one I’m on. I honestly do not know what makes me do it, I’ve tried to not, but always do. Aside from history, I enjoy philosophy (I think I just love to question things), poetry and short stories (Charles Bukowski, Edgar Allan Poe among others).
Books I currently have marks in: The Republic by Plato, Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche, The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt (apologies to the author whose name escapes me at the moment), and A Reason to Believe by Gov. Deval Patrick of Mass.
The most recent book I finished was two days ago, I finished Origin of Species by Charles Darwin.
I think I get it from my father, who is a history buff as well. He’s got a libraby of great history books that I always look through when I go home for new stuff.
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
If you want a really interesting book about Darwin, try The Reluctant Mr. Darwin. It’s basically a biography that focuses almost exclusively on the years between his trip to the Galapagos and when he finally published Origin. It uses a lot of his personal journals and letters to friends, making it a very personal biography.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 7, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, since you like short stories, how do you feel about H.G. Wells?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 7, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I never read a lot of HG Wells. Not sure why, I just never did.
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 7, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I will check it out, thanks. It sounds right up my alley.
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 7, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Edgar Allan Poe
I got caught up reading some of Poe’s work when I was in college (English Lit.) and ended up writing a paper on some of his work. Some of his stuff is really amazing reading – he was a true master of the art of prose laced fiction (a term I just pulled from my head that may or may not make sense but the best way I can describe his work). Much of it very dark (reflective of the tormented man that he was…).
I read a couple of autobiographical pieces (don’t remember the titles, etc.) where he chronicled his struggles with alcohol and what would probably be classified today as “severe anxiety disorder” (or perhaps some form depression). Very interesting reading because he was so stark and masterful (as I would describe all of his writing that I’ve read) in painting a picture of his mental state and ongoing mental / emotional struggles (the basis for my paper).
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 7, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He was a “troubled soul” as we would probably call him now. And I agree with you, his writing, in style and substance, stands apart from almost any other author ever, in my opinion. Annabelle Lee is maybe my favorite piece of his, there is something about it that just makes you feel every word that is written, and feel them deeply. The pain in many of his poems is palpable, and at times, unbearable (but in the way that you can’t stop reading it).
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 7, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt (apologies to the author whose name escapes me at the moment)
Edmund Morris. Those three books are on my ‘to read’ list. I just read Roosevelt’s autobiography a couple of months ago (found a first edition at a used bookstore for 3 bucks! Sadly, the front cover split and fell off while reading it.).
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Theodore Roosevelt annoys me. Very interesting guy, but I just don’t like him.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I loved him until I started to study and understand his policies as a politician.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I don’t disagree personally, but it’s best to leave it as it is, what with our place of discussion.
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 7, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree and thought this comment was flirting too much with politics (I commented on it and I’m not sure why mine got deleted, but his is still up)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yours got deleted because it would have most definitely lead to a big political discussion. As it stands, troy’s comment can be left alone pretty easily, and I’d appreciate it if everyone did that.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I am fine with leaving it alone. Personally, I thought mine was calling someone out for politics while his was more inflammatory towards a political discussion (then again, I am biased…)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I’m not a fan of him either, I’d rather not divulge into anything racial or political and leave it at that.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 7, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t trying to say anything about his politics, I just mean on a personal level.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I agree. He seems like a complete Bada** but also seems like he could be a jerk.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Basically the reason I don’t like him is because a lot of the BA stuff he supposedly did was either exaggerated or made up completely by Teddy to make himself sound cooler. He was a master at molding public image.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Really?
I am pretty sure the whole thing with him getting shot while giving a speech but continuing happened (at least I read a supposed witness account)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jun 7, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
There are examples, such as his “heroic charge up San Juan Hill”, which from the other side is remembered as a time when a handful of Hispanics with Mauser rifles held back a much larger force for a very long time.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 7, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 8, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
That did happen, and is definitely pretty bad-ass, but if I recall correctly, there is some dispute as to whether the bullet even entered his body.
So yeah, still a bad-ass, just not as bad-ass as you might think.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Ah, thanks. They’re well worth the read. I’ve only gotten through (well, mostly through) that one myself, but my father has read them all.
My goal is to read a biography or autobiography of all of our presidents that was written during or shortly after their lives (I’m hoping the auotbiographies were during, hahaha).
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 7, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i congratulate you on completing Origins of Species. I can’t tell you how many times i’ve tried to get through that book and end up stopping 40 pages into it because following the way Charles Darwin writes is so different than modern english. i love Darwin though. he’s one of my biggest inspirations as a human being. i have the same problem with my copy of Voyage of the Beagle. i would almost have to lock myself away from society for a week straight just to focus on his english dialect.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 7, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You would really enjoy The Reluctant Mr. Darwin.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
i will certainly look into it.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 7, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that type of writing is just in me. I understand what you’re saying, I’ve heard that quite a bit and I can see where the problem could lie. But for some reason, I don’t struggle at all with it.
Similar to how some can’t understand the “thicker” English accents, they’re clear as a bell to me for some reason.
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 7, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I forgot to mention, if anyone is into music books, the “Who Killed Kurt Cobain?” is an awesome book.
I had no idea how many BS factors played a role in his death. I’ve heard that the “Love & Death: The Murder of Kurt Cobain” is a good one as well.
Another memory jog… the book “No One Here Gets Out Alive” (Danny Sugerman) – biography of Jim Morrison. Excellent book.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 7, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Scar Tissue by Anthony Kiedis. i haven’t read it yet, but two of my closest buddies and bandmates have and loved it. the Red Hot Chili Peppers is probably collectively our favorite band. Anthony has lived a crazy life, but it’s inspiring to me as a musician to see how strong of a bond he’s created with the rest of the band that no matter how crappy he makes his life they’re all there together to support one another and to make some of the greatest music ever at the same time.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 7, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Heavier Than Heaven is a great read, although he does use some artisitic licence towards the end of Kurt’s life, overall, it’s a great read.
You ever read his journals?
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 7, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re very interesting. I’m not sure what I paid for it, they’re all in one nice harcover book, but if you’re in to Kurt’s life, it gives you an insight into him from him directly. There is a lot of stuff to go over, I still find new things every time I open the book up. Some things are really interesting (song’s we all know shown as works in progress, never used album art by Kurt, little personal tidbits). But there is other stuff that I could have probably gone without, even as someone who knows a fair deal about Kurt’s life. All in all, I’d recommend it, as long as you know what you’re getting into.
One on of the spiral bound notebook covers that he used as journals that are shown in the book, it says “If you read, you’ll judge”. I think that simple line sums up the book, for better or for worse in some cases.
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 8, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
not that it matters to any of you, but i never liked Kurt Cobain.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t say this enough. His life story makes me ill. Whiny kid that can’t handle his parent’s divorce turns into whiny adult that can’t handle the rigors of touring and doing what he loves – then kills himself because he can’t handle fame and attention? To top it off the music was never anywhere near as revolutionary as it was haiIed to be. Blech.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
by DaveDawg09 on Jun 8, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ditto, suicide is sad and unfortunate but completely preventable. i honestly have a hard time feeling sympathy toward those who do it simply because i love and cherish life too much, even as shitty as it tends to be sometimes.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
They changed the entire landscape of what rock was at that time. Maybe it wasn’t revolutionary in substance (which is arguable as well), but it’s effect was nothing short of revolutionary.
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 8, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no t wasn’t, It’s good music to sit and listen to, but what did it lead to? The Foo? They’re good too but the world can ride off just fine without them.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jun 8, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh the Foos are one of the last remnants of rock n’ roll.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
not true listen to Built To Spill. like i said in the music thread they’ve one of the “newer” bands of today that are really good at sounding like classic rock. and they’ve been around for about 20 years now.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
they’re*
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
well to be fair, i didn’t say the foos were THE last.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
my bad, you’re right. just noticed that.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 9, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re showing your age here. What Nirvana did at the time was to turn contemporary rock music on its head.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Eh, no. Nirvana was never anything special. It’s catchy grunge music now.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jun 8, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, most definitely. Nirvana didn’t do anything new any other rock band hadn’t already done. if anything they were the first EMO band with a grunge vibe.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Could not disagree more.
Before Nirvana it was Poison, Ratt and 1,000 hair bands,
After was Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Bush.
If that isn’t special to you, then we just don’t agree on music.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 8, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
but before all the hair bands were the REAL rock bands that actually revolutionized and defined the culture and sound from the 60s, 70s, and early 80s. you can’t give Cobain credit for revolutionizing rock in the early 90s because of shitty bands in the mid-late 80s. the whole music scene was totally messed up because of the 80s.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The impact of LZ, Stones and others previous isn’t what we were discussing.
NTN said the following “What Nirvana did at the time was to turn contemporary rock music on its head”
There has never been a more true statement than that. They set the tone for others, the first band to really break through the wall to mainstream music. Radio and MTV went from Bon Jovi to RATM. That is influence.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 8, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
and the only thing MTV has influenced me to do is listen to predominantly crappy music.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 9, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
the only thing MTV
has influenced me to do
is avoid MTV.
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
And I could not disagree more with this – Neil Young did everything Nirvana did 25 years before they thought of it – and I am not a fan of his either. “Hey Hey, My My” is a perfect example – when that record (yes kids, record) came out people were trying to return it because the sound was “off”. No, it wasn’t “off” – it was the original “Grunge”. Also, the members of Soundgarden have more musicianship in their collective pinkie fingers than all of Nirvana ever possessed – including Grohl.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Everything has been done before.
One difference between Nirvana and all of the rest of the bands who made it big in that era was that Nirvana made it big ripping The Pixies and Husker Du and a bunch of other bands that hadn’t made much headway in the mainstream. The other bands (Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, etc.) made it big ripping already commercially viable bands like Zeppelin and the Who.
The oher difference between Nirvana and the other bands is Nirvana had a great songwriter, which trumps musicianship every time.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I agree, and I also believe Nirvana’s musicianship was superb. While I would not necessarily list them in my top (10/15) list of all time favorites, I do believe their music was some of the best stuff that came out of the early 90s. The meteoric path of Cobain’s life and career has been sensationalized and there is a backlash against the God-like status he holds among many of his most loyal fans. But IMO Cobain’s personal troubles and suicide are irrelevant in assessing the impact of Nirvana on the music industry (see Jim Morrison, Hendrix, Janis Joplin, etc.).
While I would not necessarily label Cobain a pioneer in the purest sense, I do believe his artistry and raw musical talent bordered on genius.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 9, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
(meant to block quote golan to preface my comment…)
Nirvana had a great songwriterI agree, and …
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 9, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I would argue that Nirvana did not create Pearl Jam or Soundgarden, they were concurrent with each other (soundgarden may have come a bit later).
Nirvana broke it big in ‘91/’92. the album Ten was released in ‘91 and Soundgarden started to become big in ’91 and ’92. I don’t think either was significantly “after” Nirvana but they were all after the melvins.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
The point is that without Nirvana, Pearl Jam never makes it big. Blink-182 and Green Day are a similar situation. Blink started making music around the same time as Green Day, but would never have been as popular as they were without Dookie’s mainstream success.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Pearl Jam may make it big without Nirvana. Soundgarden might not, but Pearl jam would. This is a chicken and the egg debate, though I agree that Nirvana set up much of what came later in rock.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It’s not a chicken or the egg.
Nirvana came first.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 9, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Nirvana was big in ’91, “Ten” came out the same year. Without Nirvana as the big band, the album would have probably sold worse, but I do not give 100% of the credit to Nirvana
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
While Nirvana might seem less special now in the context of what is played or heard at the time they shoved a SS of stuff to the side. I can’t think of many bands today that are considered popular or that sell big that also have the cred (for what that term is worth) that Nirvana had.
Also, their Unplugged performance opened up a completely new window on to them for people who might not have followed them as closely.
Not to mention they beat MJ for number 1.
"I wasn’t asked to catch the ball and go out in the flats and run routes, because that wasn’t how our offense was," Lawrence Vickers said. "Now people are lying and people think I can’t catch. I guess I shouldn’t have started knocking people out."
I think we have gotten into this before, but the whole grunge movement was pretty revolutionary for contemporary rock, I just also give a lot of credit to Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and The melvins (who influenced Kurt)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
i don’t know the Melvins, but Soundgarden and Pearl Jam aren’t that great. they have a couple good hits and that’s about it. the only thing that music scene revolutionized was getting loser white kids headed into the direction of goth and death metal.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
how much Pearl Jam have you listened to? Are you like all the others and have just listened to “Ten”? They have a lot more work besides that. Check out Binaural.
Soundgarden also has a very diverse span of work, spanning multiple genres, not just grungy stuff. the melvins were one of the biggest influences on Nirvana and overall, the grunge movement.
And the problem is you are biased based on incorrect information. Grunge did not lead to goth, emo, and death metal, hardcore punk did. While hardcore punk also was a precursor to grunge, that doesn’t mean grunge influenced emo, it doesn’t work like that. Black Flack and the Dead Kennedys had more influence on emo than all of grunge combined.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
well you’re absolutely right that i’m biased, and it’s obvious i don’t know punk/grunge/goth/emo/death metal history because i don’t listen to any of that stuff. it’s not my cup of koolaid. so ignore my ignorant post. the whole purpose is simply that i don’t like Nirvana nor anything that sounds like it.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 9, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
(only here to collapse pic)
I think he is overrated, but I still respect him as an artist. he is way better than Justin Bieber 
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
by bross09 on Jun 8, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
He didn’t kill himself.
Read one of those books. Trust me.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 8, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
whether he did or didn’t is debatable but doesn’t really mean much anyway. i just simply like the guy from what i know about him. maybe i’m not as empathetic as i like to think i am, but i just can’t stand chronically depressed people. there’s far too much to enjoy about life even as crappy as things can be. him simply making music and being known world wide is enjoyment enough not to be constantly depressed like he was.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
and i apologize i’m such a Cobain hater. this is a book thread not a music one. i know we’ve gotten a little out of control with it. i just can’t help the way it makes me feel when people bring him up as though he was some kind of messiah to follow.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
All I’m saying is the dude didn’t kill himself.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 8, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not sure if he did or if he didn’t. I know a lot of the theories that he didn’t revolve around Love. If she didn’t directly kill him, she sure as hell did it indirectly.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I’m with you. I saw a pretty convincing documentary on it a long while back.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
The facts are so incredibly stacked, it shocks me that the Police could rule it that way.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 9, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you misunderstand what Chronic Depression is. It’s a disease, caused by irregular brain chemistry. No matter how successful he was, he was going to be depressed.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 9, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m of the opinion that Courtney love did it or paid to have it done.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 9, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Gwen Stefani killed him?
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
by Dawg Nuts on Jun 9, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, she killed Bradley Nowell.
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 10, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I loved Jurassic Park by Crichton. I’ve read a lot of Stephen King, including the Bachman Books, his best being The Talisman and Black House with Peter Strab. I’ve read a few by Tolkien, The LoTR trilogy and The Silmarillion. Some of the Magic: The Gathering books are really good. The Deathnote manga is really good. I loved reading Goosebumps as a kid. I used to really like the X-Men comics as well. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is probably my favorite book of all time, as is the case with all books, 10x better than the movie, and the movie was pretty damn good.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 7, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
Stephen King – Bachman Books
Definitely a must read.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 7, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Stephen King and was surprised no one had brought him up yet.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
All of his books feel the same to me.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
If you haven’t checked out “The Bachman Books” it is quite different from most of the novels he’s written. Its a collection of 4 short stories he wrote under the pseudonym “Richard Bachman” back in the late 70s. I thought it was some of his best work.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 7, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I read all of his early books up until maybe Gerald’s Game or Needful Things (whichever came last). Not sure why I quit reading him, but I’ve only read one of his books since (Wizard and Glass, which is an enjoyable pseudo-western).
Can anyone recommend one of his newer (last 15 or 20 years) books?
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
If you want to go the classic Steven King Thriller/Horror route, I would say Pet Semetary or Insomnia
If you want just a great read, I would say The Green mile
If you want a series of books to get into, the Dark Tower is the way to go. The first 2 were made between ’82 and ’87, but he has so far made another 6 in the last 20 years. If you liked the pseudo-western style of Wizard and the Glass, you would really like Dark Tower. Its Sci-Fi/Western/Thriller/Horror(at times). Best description would be Wild Bill meets King Arthur (Western, but set in a feudal society and people can use magic)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I disagree. He has a similar style, but I have read quite a few books and they are all pretty different. The only two I thought were at all alike (outside of the dark tower which was a series) was “Dead Zone” and “Green mile”.
Honestly, I feel like even his more bland stuff is still enthralling. I am a sucker for a good suspense story and he sets the scene so well.
Case in point, Cell: When I saw this had come out, I first thought of the Family Guy sketch where they made fun of him for not having any new ideas. However, I got it to read on a road trip and just couldn’t put it down. Its a bit of a different formula from some of his books.
most of his books are suspense/horror, but not all are the “stephen king stereotype”. Some are just some nice, modern sci-fi (like Dead Zone or Green mile).
Reading Stephen King books seriously discourages me from ever being a novelist, I just feel his execution is top notch.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I liked Fear and Loathing too. I watched the movie about a year ago and it didn’t disapoint.
I’ve meant to read more of Thompson’s other books.
I got a few pages in and decided Fear and Loathing was too rich for my blood.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
cus i b st0pid
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on Jun 8, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve read quite a bit of his work, though it’s mostly articles, which is obviously different from Fear and Loathing. You could try his other novel, Rum Diary. It’s different from Fear and Loathing but you can see some of the style that he would later perfect in his writing.
"I wasn’t asked to catch the ball and go out in the flats and run routes, because that wasn’t how our offense was," Lawrence Vickers said. "Now people are lying and people think I can’t catch. I guess I shouldn’t have started knocking people out."
I am a huge fantasy novel fan so I feel comfortable recommending a few authors: George R.R. Martin books are great as some have already mentioned above. Brandon Sanderson’s Mistborn series and his new book, The Way of Kings are great. Also, if you like mystery and or Harry Potter, the Jim Butcher’s Dresden Files are awesome. His Codex Alera fantasy books are also pretty good.
Other than fantasy I read a lot of history and cooking books.
I’ve heard good things about Dresden Files, I’ll have to check that out.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I’ve recommended the Dresden files to six or seven friends, and all of them have really enjoyed the series. The first book is a little slow because I think Butcher was still working out how he wanted to characters to operate, but the ten or so after that have been consistently entertaining.
so just like my taste in music i have a really strong feeling many of you won’t know a good portion of books i love and plan on being burned with once i’m cremated after i die or otherwise added to a time capsule i plan on burying at some point in my lifetime. also, i’d like to apologize in advanced for making such a long post on this thread. i simply couldn’t help myself….
Steven Brust is arguably the greatest Fantasy/Science Fiction author and overall story teller this world has ever known. call me stupid. tell me how much i’m wrong. i don’t really care. i will argue that fact until the day i die. his greatest work of art, and my favorite as well, is the Vladimir Taltos series that tells the story of a human assassin living in a part of the world, Adrilankha, with elf-like people called Dragaerians. Brust has made such a creative world that feels so much like our own and yet mixes all the imagination of fantasy and space science fiction into it as well that i often day dream about living there. i could go on and on for days, literally, but i respect you guys enough to know when i’m rambling.
this one is for Emily and all you other Harry Potter-buffs in the world. T.A. Barron’s Merlin and Avalon series are the best series ever created solely focusing in the realm of magicians. i’ll be honest, i’ve never read a single Potter book in my life. and i know it’s not fair to pass judgement on the books based off the movies, as i’m sure if there were movies on Barron’s perception of Merlin they would likely be crappy also, but even as a pre-teen i’ve spited Potter’s popularity over Barron’s Lost Years of Merlin series to the point that i refuse to read a Potter book. again, call me stupid. tell me how wrong i am. i’m a brick wall and you won’t get through. i’m sorry for my arrogance, but Merlin is the best magician and always will be.
my next favorite author is Gary Paulsen, who is most known for his Hatchet/Brian series. i loved these books so much to the point that i was seriously on the verge of building my own raft and floating down Alum Creek until i somehow hit the Ohio River. you should’ve seen my mother’s face the one night at dinner when i asked her if she could buy me some rope for a secret project. almost all of Brewer’s stories hit a chord in my heart as i always felt more connected with his books as a young adult compared to anyone else at the time. again, i love most of his work, but the other book aside from the Brian series that i loved the most was his story The Island. i read this at a time in my life when i wasn’t very social with my father and this helped give me confidence to strengthen my bond with him. ironically that was also the point in my life where i began to focus more on my Browns fanhood which helped do the same.
i love, love, love S.E. Hinton. The Outsiders is arguable one of the best stories ever, and many of her other books come to a close second. i loved the movie, but the book captured the soul of Pony Boy to a point he is a real person in my heart.
if anyone has ever seen and enjoyed the movie K-PAX, you MUST read the three-book series written by Gene Brewer that the movie is based off of. just like all of these favorites of mine, prot (sounds like oat) is real in my mind and his story is simply amazing.
i most recently read Candid by Voltaire. i simply loved the realism behind the message Voltaire creates. and i congratulate him for his ideals that were so bold and revolutionary for the time.
some school favorites of mine (all with the similar distinction that i loved them for the personal friendships i feel i made from the protagonists): The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain, The Watsons Go to Birmingham by Christopher Paul Curtis, The Perks of Being a Wallflower by Stephen Chbosky (i loved this book so much to the point that i created my own One Winter mixed CD from Charlie’s collection), and many others that i’m actually disappointed in myself for not remembering.
i know there are likely rules in place for such topics as religion and beliefs in these forums, but when you bring up the topic of books, you simply cannot avoid the power of belief in the written word. because of this fact i simply cannot avoid mentioning my undying love for Charles Darwin. NYSteeler4 brought it up earlier, and although i’ve never completed the book, Origin of Species is probably the single greatest book of modern time.
and on a spiritual level i am very much inclined to the Tao Te Ching. in no way do i claim to be a Taoist even as much as i might imagine. it’s simply not in my nature to become perfect like ancient Taoist tried to become because i simply don’t agree with the possibility. much the same as all the other philosophies and religions around the world, the daily rituals are too outdated for practical use. however, the concepts of the morals can usually be applied to our modern lives today. from time to time i love to read the excerpts from my copy of the Tao Te Ching and try to apply the morals in a constructive but not literal manner to my life.
and thank you to anyone who willingly read through my entire post. and i’m sorry to any unfortunate soul who unwillingly read the entirety of my favorite books.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
I can’t claim to have read the whole thing, but I noticed you mentioned Mark Twain, and I just had to say that he’s one of my favorite authors.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 7, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i have his A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court right next to me, but haven’t got to reading a book in the past month or so since i read Candid. i always meant to read The Adventures of Tom Sawyer also, but never got around to buying a copy.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 7, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Puddin’ Head Wilson is another good one.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
imo, there is no such thing as a mark Twain book that isn’t good (at least not one that I have read and I have read most of his works)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
If you like him that much, try this out: http://www.amazon.com/Pen-Warmed-Up-Hell-Twain-Protest/dp/0060906782
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I would love to check that out. I have read not only his books, but other things he wrote and just have so much respect for his knowledge and wit. I think he may be the wittiest person of all time (though Shakespeare and Oscar Wilde can give him a run for his money)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
This could be the greatest thing on the internet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhk5Rjz7xk0
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 8, 2011 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Bravo!
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jun 8, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of Twain's books
are available to read online,
at the sites that I cited elsewhere in this thread.
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
I forgot about gary Paulsen. We read The Hatchet in like, 5th grade and then later on I read “The Voyage of the Frog.” Pretty fun books when I was younger, but then in high school they made me read “The Rifle,” which was the dumbest thing i’ve ever wrapped my sexy little fingers around.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
i will admit The Rifle isn’t that great. it’s more just a short story for pre-teens. a lot of his books are made for younger teenage boys, and that’s what i was when i read most of his books. the most recent Paulsen book i read was Canyons. it was pretty good. not as good as Hatchet or The Island, but Gary always gives me that warmhearted “be free” kind of feeling. i know it sounds goofy, but that’s what i love about his books. The Car and The Foxman are a couple of my favorites too. however i have yet to read The Voyage of the Frog.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I was reading Hatchet in the 6th grade and moved before I got to finish it.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 9, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The Hatchet was a great book. Loved making my model on what I thought his camp looked like.
Nissan GT - R.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jun 9, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
there’s a movie coming out? intriguing…
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 10, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Classic books:
Robinson Crusoe
The Last of the Mohicans
The Pilgrim’s Progress
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
The Little House on the Prairie series
Modern fiction:
The Pelican Brief and The Runaway Jury, by John Grisham
This Present Darkness and Piercing the Darkness, by Frank Peretti
Blink, Thr3e, and Thunder of Heaven, by Ted Dekker
The DMZ, by Jeanette Windle
The Veil, by Diane Noble
The Russian Trilogy> series, by Noel Hynd
The Veritas Conflict, by Shaunti Feldhahn
Self Incrimination, by Randy Singer
…and many more.
Non-fiction:
The Blind Side and Moneyball, by Michael Lewis
The Draft, by Pete Williams
Dealing, by Terry Pluto
The Story of Christian Theology, by Roger Olson
The Secrets Men Keep, by Stephen Arterburn
Wild at Heart, by John Eldredge
The Wedge of Truth, by Phillip Johnson
The Case for Progressive Dispensationalism, by Robert L. Saucy
Blinded by Might, by Cal Thomas and Ed Dobson
100 People Who Are Screwing Up America (And Al Franken Is #37), by Bernard Goldberg
Mistaken Identity (The story of a ghastly mistake: Two similar-looking girls were in a traffic accident. One was killed, the other badly injured and comatose. They were mis-identified, the one being buried under the wrong name, and the other being cared for by the wrong family for weeks, until she came out of her coma and the mistake was discovered).
…and again, many more.
I couldn’t get through Last of the Mohicans. I thought that book was awful.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I tried to read it in Middle school and couldn’t get through the first page. It reminded me of reading genealogy in Genesis.
"I wasn’t asked to catch the ball and go out in the flats and run routes, because that wasn’t how our offense was," Lawrence Vickers said. "Now people are lying and people think I can’t catch. I guess I shouldn’t have started knocking people out."
Happy Hollisters, Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew are must reads for anyone under 12 with nothing to do this summer.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
Chronic-what? ’Cles of of Narnia!
That and the Rats of Nimh were the only things you could get me to read when I was that age. The Phantom Tollbooth.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
From my Jr. High, High School days I read the typical books.
Catcher In The Rye
To kill a mockingbird
Tale of two cities
And on and on.
Read a bunch of Stephen King years ago.
Issac Asimov etc..
The halo and gears of war novels.
Now I read more about Government and Banking conspiracy.
The Creature from Jekyll Island
Civil war two the coming breakup of america
Behold a pale horse
Last year, I set a goal for myself of reading 50 books and running 500 miles. I finished the year at 56 books and around 600 miles (500 were tracked on my Ipod Nike+).
I did a fairly even mixture of Fiction and Non-Fiction.
Fiction
The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. (Very Long, but absolutely brilliant)
Red by Ted Dekker (book 2 of the circle trilogy – amazing parallels)
Blink by Ted Dekker
Non-fiction (I love crazy economics books)
Freakonomics by Steven Levitt/Steven Subner
Superfreakonomics by Steven Levitt/Steven Subner
Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell
The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell
The Age of the Unthinkable by Joshua Cooper Ramo
I cant stand Rand. So drawn out and self important.
As far as economic books, gotta check out Hazlitt’s “Economics in One Lesson,” and Mises’ “Human Action.” Anything by Sowell is also golden IMO.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Meltdown, Ein1L, America’s Great Depession, What has Govt Done to our Money, and any of John Stossel’s stuff is great.
I read Meltdown – got me interested in how the monetary system works – want to learn more on that.
Read Myths, Lies and Downright Stupidity long time ago – Enjoy Stossel’s style.
I couldn’t stand The Fountainhead.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Try reading Sinclair Lewis’ Arrowsmith. Seriously under rated book. Much the same story as the Fountainhead, but without the Randian bullshit. One of my favorite books.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I read the Jungle once.
It was kind of like Atlas Shrugged, but with all of the Sinclairian bullshit.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I think you’re mixing Sinclairs
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
UptonSinclairLewisCarroll
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jun 8, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I read the jungle multiple times. Its very little like Atlas Shrugged. You must have not gotten the whole point and gotten tied up in the “bullshit” (which I assume you are referring to the tone at the ending)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I was just trying to making a joke.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
wasn’t particularly funny and seemed like you were making another one of your political jabs.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Everybody should read Freakonomics, IMO. Easy to read, endlessly fun, and a great intro to the way the science of economics can be used in unconventional ways.
Superfreakonomics isn’t as good, but Freakonomics is greak
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Took the class. No mo economics.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jun 8, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is any “understanding” you gain of economics in a class is totally dependent on who the instructor was.
I feel more than certain than any course Walter Williams at George Mason might teach would be drastically different than the same course taught by Paul Krugman at Princeton.
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"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Um, yes and if you ask me, er… oh never mind.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 8, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
and neither one would be correct or incorrect in their teaching.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Economics is a tricky subject. One of the main points in most economics books that I have read is that Incentives work. The book I am reading now suggests that incentives can have a negative and possible detrimental effect in certain circumstances.
I agree, economics is tricky. I have read a lot of books on economics and taken classes on it. I believe there is no right and no wrong answer. You hear about trade-offs in economics and each theory behind economics has its own tradeoffs because every system has glaring holes.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Not singling you out with this comment, but we should probably quit this discussion before it turns political.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 9, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
before it turns political
I think it already has.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 9, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year, I set a goal for myself of reading 50 books and running 500 miles. I finished the year at 56 books and around 600 miles (500 were tracked on my Ipod Nike+).
Congrats man, that’s no joke.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 8, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. The reading was definitely tougher than the running portion. Especially with 3 kids (now 6,4, and 18months). The baby had a nasty habit of waking up between 5-6am every day. I would grab him, take him to the basement and pound out 50 pages before anybody else woke up.
I also have the luxury of a gym on campus at work. So lunchtime = 4 – 8 mile runs.
ROBOT!
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 9, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure someone else has mentioned this classic but Fight Club is a classic, although I’ll get shunned for saying this, I appreciate the movie even more so. Probably just because it was such a hard thing to live up to and they absolutely did it.
Michael Lewis’s Moneyball is a mandatory read for any baseball fans. I just read Liar’s Poker and it’s also good.
I’ve read quite a few libertarian books and economic books too. That’s the bulk of what I read. I rarely read fiction, but Catcher in the Rye was good I suppose.
I also like Perks of Being a Wallflower. That was great.
by 24rubikscube on Jun 8, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the teacher that gave me my diploma also gave me a copy of this book. her and i are still friends to this day.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you read Choke? Chuck Pahluniak (sp?) wrote that, along with Fight Club. Somehow both were decent movies too, which is rare in my opinion.
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 8, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i never saw either movies nor read either books, but i know how popular Fight Club is and my buddies who saw Choke, and the one who read it, said that’s a really awesome story also.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah man, you got to see or read them. Either or. You won’t be disappointed.
I’ll have to check out Choke. I’ve heard it’s good.
the one day i was going to watch Fight Club i got about 15 minutes into it but the DVD from Blockbuster screwed up and they charged me for it blaming me for the scratched movie. since then i haven’t really bothered, but i certainly don’t blame the movie for that. i wonder if it’s on netflix instant queue?
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The movie for Fight Club is better than the book. It’s one of the rare exceptions to the rule.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I disagree, only that I don’t believe people (not directed specifically at you) understand all of the motifs in the book. There is a lot of stuff going on in the background in the book that isn’t exposed very overtly in the movie (you can see it if you know its there, but you will never catch it if you don’t read the book)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Those are some great choice. moneyball is great and Fight Club is fantastic. It is a deeply psychological book and movie which a lot of people don’t realize. People get the whole “consumerist culture” and anarchy themes in it, but they don’t often catch the existentialism, the masochism, and the Oedipus complex buried in its pages.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
If anyone here likes poker, a great book is The Professor, The Banker and the Suicide King by Micheal Craig.
True story about a dude who wanted to beat the best poker players in the world. Ivey, Lederer all the big poker names are in the book. Pretty nuts story.
Chip Reese was the man.
Just thought of another one I read years ago: Snowblind: A Brief Career in the Cocaine Trade (Robert Sabbag).
Regardless of your opinions about cocaine, drugs, etc. the book is a wild ride – very insightful and an excellent read.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 8, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions
I could sit here and list an entire page worth of books I’ve enjoyed, but instead I think I’ll just throw out some authors that I like who haven’t been mentioned yet.
Tess Gerritsen
Douglas Preston/Lincoln Child (The movie Relic was based on one of their books)
Frank Herbert (The Dune Series)
David Baldacci
Kathy Reichs (wrote the books that were made into the TV show Bones)
and of course Hemmingway
And for author’s I despise:
Charlanne Harris (True Blood/Dead Before Dark series)
Stephanie Meyer (Twilight)
Both of these authors had pretty good ideas that they ran with (eventually into a brick wall), but are absolutely awful at story telling and writing technique.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough in the second half you give what's left."
my sister read the Twilight series. she’s usually pretty intellectual so i sort of trust her judgement. but anything to do with Harry Potter or Twilight i pretty much throw out the window without a second glance. i know, i’m biased…
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I mostly read history books. I’ve read a lot of WW2 history. I loved Band of Brothers, Ambrose wrote some great, well written and easily followed books. James Bradley’s Flags of Our Fathers and Flyboys were excellent. Alex Kershaw is pretty good too, those who like reading history should read The Bedford Boys.
Though I don’t read a lot of fiction, I recently decided to read some Hemingway novels. My first one was A Farewell to Arms, now I’m working on The Sun Also Rises. I like his writing style a lot, and think its funny that his characters drink constantly and travel around in a crazy, care-free manner.
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
I read the Red Badge of Courage as a Sophomore.
Such a bad book. Black hawk down is astounding though.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jun 8, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Guadalcanal Diary is the best WW2 book I’ve read.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I thought Band of Brothers was fantastic
even more engaging than the TV miniseries.
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Read like all of the Harry Potter series(6 of 7) in like the 4th grade. The rest of the books I’ve read since them have like all been about sports
I also made it to only 6 of 7.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jun 8, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
have i told you guys how much i dislike Harry Potter yet? i must’ve forgotten to mention that…
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 8, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Because its a bildungsroman?
Because it is a derivative of the classic LOTR series (it is a derivative…)?
Because it technically is intended for young adults?
Because its popular?
The work definitely has serious influences from British authors before her (C.S. Lewis, Tolkein, Dahl), the works also have true life independent of these works. It has a style of its own, a style influenced by Rowling’s study of the classics. It plays out in many ways like a classic greek tragedy.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It also plays out like a classic money grab.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 9, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It does? I never caught that.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It’s the book equivalent of a summer action movie. Intensely derivative, aimed at the widest audience possible. Lacking in subtlety, and planned to include multiple sequals from the start.
I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. I don’t particularly like Harry Potter, but I love me some summer action movies.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Oh, its definitely derivative and aimed at a wide audience. It borrows a ton from Tolkein.
It can be subtle at times but definitely can be lacking.
I love it because it is a bit like the “summer action movie” equivalent of a book but a bit more. Rowling was definitely influenced by the classics and it has some very effective elements of greek tragedy and other cultural influences from ancient greece/rome. I guess this part is more satisfying to me since I took Latin.
Its also deeper psychologically than your average “summer action movie” book. So in a way, its like Christopher Nolan’s batman. Highly entertaining and deep for a popcorn flick, but its still a popcorn flick.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Give me an honest answer: is “bildungsroman” a word you pulled out of your regular vocabulary? And if so, why?
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
bildungsroman is a more specific type of coming-of-age story. my teacher used it to describe “great expectations” (although there is very little moral character development of pip when compared to even one Harry Potter book)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
is "bildungsroman" a word you pulled out of your regular vocabulary?
No.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 9, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
what does bildungsroman mean?
and no to all except the last. i’ve stated it already that i’m biased by nature when it comes to this topic. Merlin is a real magician. Harry Potter is for child’s play.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 9, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and i will admit that i’m trolling a bit when it comes to this topic. so i’ll leave it with that last comment.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 9, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
bildungsroman is a moral/psychological coming of age story. like Catcher in the Rye or The Kite Runner.
once I realized you were also criticizing Nirvana for what seemed to be no reason, i figured thats what it was.
I personally find it odd to hate something just because other people like it. Its like being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, not because you truly believe the contrary viewpoint. Shakespeare is immensely popular, do you think it sucks because of that?
I think a decision of whether or not you like something should be made independent on what other people think. If it is dependent on that, isn’t that a form of peer pressure?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I personally find it odd to hate something just because other people like it. Its like being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, not because you truly believe the contrary viewpoint.
Couldn’t agree more. I think most people that do it just want the attention, like “look at me, man, I’m different.”
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
There is a subtlety at work here though. For instance, I could say I hate Dave Matthews because he’s popular, but that isn’t exactly it. I hate fans of Dave Matthews, and if he weren’t popular there wouldn’t be any (groundbreaking insight, I know). Dave is a good musician and his music is alright, but his popularity sickens me.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
but see, you don’t “hate” dave matthews. You have at least some respect for him but hate the people that make him popular. I would almost rather Brownsbacker dislike me for liking something popular that he thinks is overrated than disliking something popular for the sake that its popular
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
the biggest reason why i don’t like Harry Potter is because Merlin has been around much longer, and i don’t feel anyone gives him the respect he deserves (as far as imaginary magicians go). i know it’s weak to compare the movies and the books, but the Potter movies are god awful. so it’s his popularity that overshadows the history of Merlin that i absolutely cannot tolerate. even if Potter stays popular i wouldn’t care so much if people paid more attention to Merlin than they do now.
as far as Nirvana, i just simply don’t like their music. and i don’t like Cobain’s attitude, whether it’s prefabricated or a medical disorder.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 10, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think his popularity seriously overshadows merlin.
So you are basing your whole view on the series on the movies that don’t live up to the books?
Bicentennial man is an excellent book. So is All The King’s men, The Bonfire of the Vanities, so is The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen series.
Thats just a small sampling of movies that kind of sucked based on good books. I can see someone taking the same attitude about Bicentennial man (stupid robot book, doesn’t live up to “I, robot”) or “Extraordinary Gentlemen” (poor knockoff of “Watchmen”), but those are worth reading.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
DaVinci Code and Angels and Demons. Whatever your opinion of Dan Brown, the movies sucked compared to the books. The movies sucked compared to anything really.
It was a shame that movie made it seem so easy to find the clues in A&D.
Really couldn’t do the book justice.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 10, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m usually not this pig-headed. i know that’s what you’re thinking. but when it comes to very specific aspects in certain ways i most certainly am. i have far too many interests to give the Harry Potter series any real deserving respect, so i’ll just stick with my opinion, even as biased and immature as this particular opinion is.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 10, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
thats fine. you are entitled to your opinion and its nice to understand now where you are coming from at least.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
yeah i know i’ve sounded like a pompous ass about all this. thanks for understanding.
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 10, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Some random must reads:
Catch-22 – Joseph Heller
Starship Troopers – Robert Heinlein
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance – Robert Pirsig
The Art of War – Sun Tzu
On War – Carl von Clausewitz
Still life with Woodpecker – Tom Robbins
Even Cowgirls Get the Blues – Tom Robbins
The Forgotten Soldier – Guy Sajer
Watership Down – Richard Adams
Sometimes a Great Notion — Ken Kesey
The Wind in the Willows – Kenneth Graham
Stuka Pilot – Hans Rudel
Meditations – Marcus Aurelius
Democracy in America – Alexis de Tocqueville
The Bible – God
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Watership Down
Authors – Tom Robbins, Robert Heinlein
All excellent choices.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 9, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Watership Down is awesome.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 10, 2011 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Loved Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. I never did pick up Pirsig’s next book Lila, my Org Behavior teacher told me that it sucked compared to Zen.
I did hear that Pirsig’s son was shot? and killed several years after writing the book. That was sad to hear.
I’ve been meaning to track down a copy of this for a while now:
http://www.amazon.com/Shop-Class-Soulcraft-Inquiry-Value/dp/1594202230
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jun 10, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Stuff Bro likes:
The Gospel According to Biff
Most anything written by Hunter S Thompson including the Rum Diaries and Kingdom of Fear
The Man Who Would be King
I’m also a fan of a great number of historical surveys which you would absolutely hate.
I hated Catcher in the Rye.
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I read a lot of SciFi/fantasy back in the day
In addition to the usual suspects (Asimov, Clarke, Hemminway, etc.), my favorite authors were:
- Philip Jose’ Farmer, especially the Riverworld series (first book: To Your Scattered Bodies Go)
- Jack L. Chalker — anything and everything by JLC, but especially the Well World books (first book: Midnight At The Well Of Souls)
- Frank Herbert — the Dune books, including the prequel series co-authored by his son
and, of course,
- Douglas Adams’ Hitchhiker’s Guide books (some of the funniest stuff I ever read).
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
I went and saw Hitchhikers in the movie theater. Hated it.
Trying to decide if I should try the books.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 12, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Books are fantastic. Movie was garbage.
Border’s has a one-volume hitchhiker’s book for $20.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
+ [infinite number]
Couldn’t agree more!
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
wait, don’t you mean +42?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
by bross09 on Jun 12, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course
[ insert Zaphod facespalm here ]
Brainfart the size of a planet, haha.
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
Brainfart the size of a planet,
your head would explode!
If we don't resign Phil Dawson until he retires from the league I'm going to cry like a little sissy boy.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jun 13, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering the quality of books vs.
the quality of movies as a general rule,
you should know better. :)
IMO, you really should at least read the first book,
then make up your mind about reading the rest.
And, if you can ever get your hands on a copy of the old BBC TV mini-series from the early 80s, that was very well done, and worth watching!
I used to have a copy on VHS, and watched it over and over and over, because they did such a good job with it. :)
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
Dune is a well-written book, but I really am not a big fan of the not-so-subtle message. Its hard to separate a work from its message, especially when its pretty blunt.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Everyone cool if I start up a Cars OT thread. The item, not the band.
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Sexy. Sexy. Sexy.
Sounds great. Please do.
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 13, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Go for it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jun 13, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
With a ton of the crazy stuff going on out there, I remembered my huge respect for Kevin Mitnick, and came to realize he has a new book coming out in a few months, Ghost in the Wires: My Adventures as the World’s Most Wanted Hacker. I think I’ll give it a read.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Anyone here read Stranger in a Strange Land?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I’ve heard the song by Iron Maiden.
Evil wins again, but Truth prevails where Good fails.
by North Coast Flea on Jun 17, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jun 17, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. I’ve read several of Heinlein’s books. One of the greatest and most prolific authors of the sci-fi genre.
(OT, but also absolutely love the song with the same name by Leon Russell)
We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose. -- Patton (channeling his inner Joe Thomas)
by burntorangeandbrown on Jun 17, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Another excellent book
Read it about 30 years ago.
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
do you still grok it?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Certainly nothing wrong with that. :)
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
Of course.
And now, since it’s been that long since I read it, and I do like to re-read good books, I guess I’m going to have to go down to my favorite used book store and buy a cheap copie of it, and read it again. :)
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
typo fail. *copy
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
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