NFL Free Agency Open Thread: Signings at 6 PM
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT
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PrintToday should be a big day when it comes to free agency news. Teams can officially sign players at 6:00 PM EST on Friday. We'll see if the Cleveland Browns have made any moves that they have kept off the radar up until now.
The big news yesterday for me was Albert Haynesworth and Chad Ochocinco going to the New England Patriots. Those players have to be loving the situation they have just been put in. Running back Darren Sproles went to the New Orleans Saints to make their offense even more explosive. Offensive guard Davin Joseph stayed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They also gave the former punter of the Falcons almost $20 million over six years. Reggie Hodges is kicking himself for signing an extension last year. The Giants' Osi Umenyiora wants to be traded, which is something we'll be following today.
Use this post as an open thread for all of today's action.
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Not quite, loser.
Also, there are guys like Carlos Rogers or Chris Houston that wouldn’t cost nearly as much as Nnamdi/Cromartie.
Plenty of tackles too.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Actually Michael Koenen signed the big contract with Tampa Bay….
Sub-thread question for DBN:
What would you give up for Osi in a trade with NYG and what contract would you give him if you did acquire him?
What would you give up for Osi in a trade with NYG and what contract would you give him if you did acquire him?
Nothing. I don’t want to give up what little and young talent we have, especially with a free agency feeding frenzy that’s going on now. Instead, try harder for these good players that don’t require trading for.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Thanks, I intended that to be the segue from the previous sentence but goofed.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 29, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Lots of fail in this post already.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 29, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You beat me to that by like three freaking seconds.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought we WERE the browns front office…
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
Then who is the starting DE opposite our rookie 2nd RD DC with no offseason work who will see his 1st preseason game in 2 weeks?
My answer for every question is going to be Joe Thomas.
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
by pwndabear on Jul 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And rightfully so.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
i told you guys a couple weeks ago we need to just start making clones of Thomas and throw them all over both lines.
Yvan Eht Nioj.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jul 29, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want to see a play this year were Joe is an eligible receiver, and he catches a TD to win the game. How awesome would that be!
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Haden, Cleveland Browns.
NFL Network is reporting that Nnamdi is down to either: Jets or Cowboys
Also reporting Jets veterans are willing to rework their contracts to give more to Nnamdi.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
boooooo!
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Jul 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, right. The media fellating is going to be so gross.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
by Simmsinns on Jul 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
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"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Haden, Cleveland Browns.
Ghizost rizec.
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually like the Jets and might openly root for them if they don’t resign Braylon.
Mangini apologist by default.
How could you ever root for Sanchez?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t. But they can win in spite of him. So I can root for him to suck and the team to win at the same time. I’m not really a fan of the team I just like their shenanigans and how they talk mess to the Patriots all the time. Little gadflys.
Mangini apologist by default.
I like the Jets as well. Love Rex Ryan.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 30, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
25th!
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that this was a subject line really sold it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Still can’t believe the Pats got Ocho and most importantly Albert. Seriously, no one offered a fourth for who could be the best DT in the game? The Browns should have snatch him up just to prevent him from going to the best team in the league
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
Yeesh, and we thought Rogers was a ’donna? Pats locker room could handle it.
Us, not so much…
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Jul 29, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
On paper, the Pats look like the champs of ’11.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Jul 29, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You seriously wanted Haynesworth?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Fat Albert would have ruined our team.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Haden, Cleveland Browns.
yeah, but pairing Fat Albert with Fat Fairley would’ve been awesome.
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
by Dawg Nuts on Jul 29, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aren’t you the one who complained about Greg Little’s character? And you want Albert Haynesworth?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never “complained” about his character. I’ve brought up his character in order to point out the hypocrisy of the Little fellating that has commenced. The high and mighty attitude used when looking at the character of other players in the league, and the constant praising of the FO for acquiring “good guys”; both of which DBN so often do, then all of a suddenly acting as if Little’s concern are nothing worth noting.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 29, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who has been inconsistent with regards to Little? Bernie, who has been the most vocal “I can’t are about Little’s character” guy has advocated us signing Jamarcus Russel. Others like myself and NTN are concerned but willing to see if Little has matured. Yet others (like Golan) are very high on character and think Little is worthless.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
You’re the only one being a hypocrite here buddy.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Willis McGahee headed to Denver, $7.5 million over 3 years.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
when the heck are we going to sign all of our draft picks? i seriously do not understand why this hasn’t happened yet.
Yvan Eht Nioj.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jul 29, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
both sheard and little signed 4yr contracts.
by Stan Wizz - Go Browns on Jul 29, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m all about building through the draft but who in the hell is gonna start at all these positions we have no one? We have at least 7 postions that need major upgrades (DT, DE, OLB,CB,S,WR,RT), that’s realistically gonna take about 3 more drafts to do unless they hit big on some late round picks and no early picks turn into busts. I wish they’d splash some money around on at least 2 or 3 good quality starters. I don’t want another startover in 3 seasons.
We have two solid starters at DT. I’m comfortable with our linebackers, but we could use a playmaker. We’re fine at corner for at least one more season. Pashos would be fine at RT if he could stay healthy, but depth is a major issue.
Basically, our problem is that we have a team full of average. We need a few playmakers.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a huge exaggeration. We have two starters at DT, one at DE, three linebackers, two cornerbacks, two safeties, three 2nd round wide receivers. So in the end as far as starters go we need a RT because Pashos is probably going to get hurt and a DE.
by BrownsFanRegina on Jul 29, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
As of right now I think we only have 1 safety, but your point still stands.
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We also need depth at many of the positions you described but that’s not the same as needing starters.
by BrownsFanRegina on Jul 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
We may have 1 starter at DT if Phil Taylor pans out, Smith would be a backup on just about any other team in the league so I don’t consider him solid. Fujita is old but should have a few seasons left in him, but Chris Gocong is also a backup. Sheldon Brown is old and slow as dirt, he would be a good nickel but not as the #2 CB. Who’s our other safety? Usama Young?, also a backup. If Greg Little is good as advertised we should be good at WR. We have a team full of backups. If we signed 1 or 2 good FA’s to come in and start the guys we already have could be used to add depth. Then 1 or 2 good drafts we should be pretty solid on both sides of the ball.
you clearly didn’t catch a draft where we drafted guys at 3 of those positions, two of which could be starting right away.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Well we just lost Ray Edwards, so I might have to change my position on that…
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
You would almost certainly trade a pick for him. I would be fine with trading the 4th rounder we get from Atlanta and the 6th rounder we get from Denver for Osi.
by BrownsFanRegina on Jul 29, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d do that and throw in someone like Moore.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
NFL Network reported that Ray Edwards is headed to the Falcons. No contract details given, but they said it’s likely a lot.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
There was a quote on a free agent tracker that was posted here saying he wanted to go to the place that gave him the best chance of winning.
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not too bad actually. Not bad at all.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 29, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Browns sit on their hands during a time where they could actually do something meaningful. Big surprise
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 29, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t know that. It’s very possible he just wants to be on a contender. Also the ATL is a pretty hip place (though I prefer Cleveland).
There were reports that we were not very interested.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Why the heck would we not be interested.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Some weirdo with Browns beltbuckle was asking for Old Country Buffet coupons, and that creeped out the Vikings’ FO.
Are we not men?
by mister serious on Jul 29, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We did not make an offer on Ray Edwards according to Mary Kay.
by BrownsFanRegina on Jul 29, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’ll repeat my question. Why the heck not? We needed him.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, er, what Simmsinns said just above 10 minutes ago. Where’s that Edit button?
Are we not men?
by mister serious on Jul 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So…this is a Personal Growth Breakthrough? Thanks for the face-saving reply!
Are we not men?
by mister serious on Jul 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
(maybe that looked sarcastic? It wasn’t.)
Are we not men?
by mister serious on Jul 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly… I’m becoming pretty disappointed with our moves during free agency. I love the way we have been drafting but why not add talent through free agency as well? Heckert is to smart and has been in the business too long to not have a plan, but I have no idea why he seems so passive right now.
I’m with you. Not much else to add.
Are we not men?
by mister serious on Jul 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember that free agency is a two way street. The players have to want to come here. Right now they don’t.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t that why we brought H&H in? Heck we made better acquisitions under Mangini!
Mangini apologist by default.
Agreed that the players don’t want to come to us but we don’t seem to be making much of an effort to convince them. We have to make significantly better offers than other teams and that ain’t happening. I think Heckert’s "plan"is to do nothing. It’s boring and frustrating.
Really pissed off about Edwards.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve said it several times around DBN, but I’ll say it again, the reports seem to be that we have been passive.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I honestly don’t know, I haven’t been paying too close attention.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve had an NFL Network stream going all day yesterday and today, also follwoing twitter.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
In a sense, I agree, but we were also getting props last year for being an “up-and-comer.” The coaching switches, defensive and offensive scheme changes and the lockout, though, might have all conspired to keep people away this year. Sigh.
Are we not men?
by mister serious on Jul 29, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now its a bummer but in the long run we’re better off just developing our own players. What has pissed me off in the past though is that we find a gem once in awhile and then we seem to lose them. Leigh Bodden and Anthony Henry come to mind.
With wright gone i can see us getting clements now… But i’m glad were not going active in free agency have you seen the money these guys are getting? A punter( forget the name) is getting 20 million over 4 or 5 years
by lightninmcqueen on Jul 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Edwards’ contract sounded fairly reasonable. I hope we get Clements and Huff. We will have a nice defensive backfield and with our pass rushers, we’ll need it.
We would have had to offer a lot more than $30mil for Edwards to come here but it still would have been worth it.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there is a lot of psychological rationalisation here about our non-activity in Free Agency. I might be naiive but it’s possible that the same people saying it’s better not to sign free agents would be just as happy if we were making signings.
Interesting that you say that. I agree, and actually think that “psychological rationalization” is the name of the game for at least one regular DBN user.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Reckon theres a couple. Don’t know the names. It’s just something I’m noticing a lot.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. But the damage control started a while ago with some people
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Cromartie is still on the table, but based on our track record thus far, don’t expect any Browns related news on that front.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
We cannot get him. He is saying it’s between the Jets and the Cowboys.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh sorry I was thinking of Assomwah when I talked about jets/cowboys. still dont think we’d get Cromartie though. Bit of a dream.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
At some point they HAVE to spend money just to hit the salary floor required in the new CBA. That’s what’s driving me a little nuts. After cutting Jake, don’t they need to spend somewhere in the $25-28M range just to hit the minimum? Unless they sign the Savior to his well-deserved richest-extension-in-the-history-of-everything, it feels like the plan is to sign the eighth-best available player at each position and punt next year. I think I just threw up a little.
by NonDairyKreemer on Jul 29, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
Did Taylor and Skrines and Marecic sign yet? I suppose I could hunt for that info, but maybe someone here has heard.
Are we not men?
by mister serious on Jul 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think any of those guys have signed, but Taylor is the only one who would have a substantial contract.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks – I don’t recall hearing anything on them either. I’m getting frustrated. I know that H ‘n’ H said that they weren’t “going to go crazy” and that they were going to be more tight lipped on things, but we aren’t even showing up in the rumor mills.
I like the “build through the draft” philosophy, but we do need to do a little more more than sign Brandon Jackson.
Are we not men?
by mister serious on Jul 29, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That seems to be the “plan”.
Heavy sigh
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
With edwards getting scooped up by atl, I’d like us to give Jamaal Anderson a shot. Anderson was a top 10 draft pick and might just need a new approach.
by Brocolis154033 on Jul 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’d like that move as long as the price is good.
by Brocolis154033 on Jul 29, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here’s a crazy idea: what’s Vernon Gholston doing these days?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Hell, I’d take both of them and see what happens. Both guys are young, talented and could be had for cheap.
by Brocolis154033 on Jul 29, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nothing crazy about it. I’d scoop him up in a hearbeat on a team friendly contract.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
what’s Vernon Gholston doing these days?
Underachieving.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
by Simmsinns on Jul 29, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I’ld definitely give him a shot. Sorry to be a homer but I would take as many OSU athletes as possible.
I really really love Gholston when he was at OSU. But I’m seriously not interested. He’s 2008’s Aaron Maybin.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
word. He’s actually worst than Maybin for the fact that he physically has every tool in the box to succeed. Maybin on the other hand is a TE trying to play DE, and should have never been drafted
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 29, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
well if he has the skill then its just a matter of fixing the 5 inches between his ears. Maybe he didn’t like all the pressure and crowdedness of NYC/NJ? Who knows, considering he would be virtually free and we have tons of cap why not just add him to the 90 man and see if he can turn it around. Of course I’ve also said this about Jamarcus Russel
Gholston was also trying to play 3-4 linebacker when clearly he should be at DE. I’m not saying I’d go out of my way to grab him, but he’s worth a camp invite.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously we need to make some signings. If even backup-level guys. At least someone who can play OT. I am as trusting in H&H as anyone, but give us SOMEONE.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’m pretty happy with what they’ve done thus far. Very surprised by the patience they’re demonstrating. If we get to the end of free agency and manage to pick up a slew of talented young players like, say, Michael Huff at bargain basement prices, I will be impressed.
Still need a Tackle though. Shouldn’t wait around on that.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Plenty of good players still out there. Here’s a few I like:
Tackle/Guard: Ryan Harris, Justin Blalock, Jamaal Brown
Defensive End: Jayme Mitchell, Greg White, Mark Anderson, Jacob Ford, Antwan Odom
Corner: Chris Houston, Kelly Jennings, Richard Marshall
Safety: Michael Huff, Donte Whitner, Dawan Landry, Roman
Harper, Bernard Pollard, Atari Bigby
D. Tackle: Kedric Gholston, Marcus Thomas, Ronald Fields, Robaire Smith
Linebacker: Stewart Bradley, Kevin Burnett, Manny Lawson
who?
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
It wasn’t me this time I swear.
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
head boomshot?
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
They call that a money shot. I’ll show myself to the door.
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Harris would be a HUGE pickup for us.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’ll never understand you obsession with irrelevant players
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If big names won Superbowls, the Redskins would be the Yankees of the NFL.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
And if irrelevant names won Superbowls, the browns wouldn’t have one of the lowest winning percentages of the decade
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 29, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That glass of yours is half empty, isn’t it?
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
There is no water and there is no glass.
by Bumblyjack on Jul 29, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Your Shtick is too thick.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
About as thick as your denial
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 29, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is denying anything? We haven’t been good since the return, we probably won’t be good this year.
Big names still don’t win games. Good coaches and good players come together to make good teams, which win football games.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’m sitting here at 4:51 Saturday morning in Melbourne because I’m too upset to sleep. We need a couple of genuine starters dammit.
Oohh, a time traveler. Hows the future looking? Please tell me, do the Browns ever make it to a Super Bowl?
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Not this again. Seriously I’m ET +14hrs.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So what’s the news from 14 hours in the future?
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well the sun hasn’t risen on July 30 2011 yet, so if I were you I’d be a bit worried.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
And a new face.
Alcohol abuse and Cleveland sports fans: hand-in-hand since 1955.
by Clevsports on Jul 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ClaytonESPN:
With the release of A. Odom, trade of Chad O. and retirement of Carson Palmer, Bengals now have $49 M of cap room.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
That’s a lot of dough.
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Letting Antwan Odom go is huge, he was their highest payed player. He was a sack machine at the beginning of the ’09 season, but the injuries were too much to overcome for him.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I’d throw a one year deal at him.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Browns want to spend any money at all. As penny pinching as the Bengals. Look where it’s gotten them.
Lerner’s already handed his checkbook to Holmgren so I’m wondering if guys are saying no to Cleveland and H&H don’t want that to be public.
Is it honestly better to say we didn’t try to sign someone rather than say we were beaten by another team? I doubt it. At least it would be nice to kow they were trying.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it would lift morale a lot more to see them making an effort.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The net savings of plus-$2.3 million (after releasing Delhomme) pushes the Browns to over $35 million in available room under the $120.3 million team cap. Nevertheless, Heckert remained adamant on not spending it on unrestricted free agents.
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“If there’s a good player, we’re going to go after him. But we’re not going to just sign a bunch of guys because they’re available,” Heckert said.
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“There’s always exceptions to the rule. Last year, were we active? That’s probably the most active we’re ever going to be.”
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“We’ve talked with a zillion guys the last couple days. We don’t expect to be signing a bunch of guys,” Heckert added. “Cap room’s not an issue. We’d much rather spend it on our young players we like right now, that we have right now. We’ll spend it. There’s not a question of us spending the money.”
(from a Plain Dealer article / interview from Wednesday)
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jul 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
"If there’s a good player, we’re going to go after him."
That’s a damn lie!
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
maybe they don’t think anyone out there is good?
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
I’m slowly coming to to that conclusion and it hurts.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Who was that good outside of Nnamdi and Johnson?
The Browns were in on Weddle, they just got outbid.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 30, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No, our FO would never lie, would they?
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t eat the soylent brown. It’s probably feces.
Alcohol abuse and Cleveland sports fans: hand-in-hand since 1955.
by Clevsports on Jul 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sounds like a whole bunch of defeatism and rationalisation to me.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sounds like how the Patriots and Eagles have won so many games the past decade to me.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, sure sounds like the Patriots (Haynesworth, Ochocinco) and Eagles (Nnamdi, DR-C). Ha.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Three trades and the best FA on the market. I don’t see how that relates to throwing money at guys because they are available.
I’m sure if Nnamdi wanted to come to Cleveland, we would have signed him.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, I was responding to this:
The net savings of plus-$2.3 million (after releasing Delhomme) pushes the Browns to over $35 million in available room under the $120.3 million team cap. Nevertheless, Heckert remained adamant on not spending it on unrestricted free agents.
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"If there’s a good player, we’re going to go after him. But we’re not going to just sign a bunch of guys because they’re available," Heckert said.
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"There’s always exceptions to the rule. Last year, were we active? That’s probably the most active we’re ever going to be."
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"We’ve talked with a zillion guys the last couple days. We don’t expect to be signing a bunch of guys," Heckert added. "Cap room’s not an issue. We’d much rather spend it on our young players we like right now, that we have right now. We’ll spend it. There’s not a question of us spending the money."
Sounds like a whole bunch of defeatism and rationalisation to me.
Sounds like how the Patriots and Eagles have won so many games the past decade to me.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Why? A lot of our roster is truly awful and this was the best free agency we’re probably ever going to see.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Thomas isn’t a FA this year.
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by North Coast Flea on Jul 30, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ClaytonESPN:
reminding everyone that the minimum spend of 89 percent doesn’t start until 2013.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
It’s 99% of the entire league, or more bonuses kick in to the players. If only a couple of teams stick around 90% and the rest hit 99-100% and keep the overall level at 99%, then the owners are fine.
by NonDairyKreemer on Jul 29, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The Browns need to make an effort to promote the brand nationally if they want big name free agents to get excited about coming here to play.
However, if the Browns build the team through the draft and developing no-name FAs, then they’ll be fine, even if they aren’t splashy right now.
It hasn’t worked up til now. We aren’t fine, we are struggling. They need to start turning it around right now.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a great point and something I was going to address in a post
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 29, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO I don’t think we’re going to make any big moves. Perhaps when this so-called frenzy has died down a bit, we’ll sign a few of the cheaper vets (that get stuck without a chair when the music when the music stops) for depth. I just get the feeling TH is not going to overspend on FA’s that aren’t going to be a part of the team’s future plans.
That’s what we always do and it has gotten us nowhere.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I see your point, but every dynasty built over the last 30 years was done thru the draft. 49ers, Cowboys, Pats, and (as much as it pains me to admit) Stoolers. All used draft picks like poker chips trading players and picks for more picks. The draft is something pilots refer to as a BEWAG (best educated wild a$$ guess). The more guesses the greater the probability of being right
by Mean Ol' Pete on Jul 29, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
From pick 1 in 1999, the vast mjority of our BEWAGs have been the most horrible plane crashes. That’s why I say it hasn’t worked. We need to try something to improve now.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if we wait for this all to shake out we’ll be able to upgrade many positions at a discount as compared to one or two at a premium and causing future problems signing our own free agents (EX: Joe Thomas)
by Mean Ol' Pete on Jul 29, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Lombardi is reporting that a handful of Jets (Pace, LT, Scott, more) have officially agreed to re-do their contracts.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
In other news Micheal Lombardi is a total douche.
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by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
"Your team really does suck, and never will piss excellence like Ohio State does."
by LiveandDiefortheDawgPound on Jul 29, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Who?
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by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
That was a serious who.
(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)
by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This was to everyone thinking about the next line.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
why do you guys hate it so much?
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
Overuse, that’s why I changed it up the last time I saw the opening.
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by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He started at middle linebacker for the Eagles and showed some real talent…but he has recurring injury issues.
Thanks.
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by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My kingdom for a FART to relieve this steadily growing knot in my intestinal track. If its the only move we make Heckert, I beg of you.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jul 29, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
You think a GM with an ever expanding waistline would be able to surface a FA RT or two.
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by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah guys, let’s try to cut the “who?” crap out, it’s annoying me now.
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That was a genuine question to burntorangeandbrown. He didn’t say who he wanted.
by Aussie Brown on Jul 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t referring to you, sorry, my browser didn’t show your post before I did mine.
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by Chris Pokorny on Jul 29, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Mine was a serious question as well, though I definitely should have phrased it differently in light of recent postings.
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by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries, I’m sure you can see how I thought differently. Just after reading several threads with it, this was the last one I read and your comment was near the bottom, so you caught the heat, lol.
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by Chris Pokorny on Jul 29, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Salright, like I said, should have phrased it differently.
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by North Coast Flea on Jul 29, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
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Browns DE Jayme Mitchell has agreed on a two-year deal to return to Cleveland. Story coming on PFW.
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so that’s something…
"Call Kenny Loggins, cuz you're in the Danger Zone!!!"
by Gabe Durrant on Jul 29, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point, he has got to be a really good starting defensive end this season.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I think he’d be an upgrade to elam and probably cheaper
by Mean Ol' Pete on Jul 29, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it. I think last year’s struggles may have been injuries. It seems like they want Usama to play FS but I’d rather have him at nickel and put Goldston there.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Seriously, make Chad change his name to Ochosiete.
by Bumblyjack on Jul 29, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really wanted to see ochoocho
"Call Kenny Loggins, cuz you're in the Danger Zone!!!"
by Gabe Durrant on Jul 29, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Chansi Stuckey is headed to Arizona, 3.5 million over 2 years
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GLwA4P3QDk
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Albert Breer says that the Jets are out of the Nnamdi Sweepstakes.
NFL Network is also speculating on a… I kid you not, Jerry Jones fist pump at the Dallas training camp.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
AdamSchefter:
How’s this for a turn on Nnamdi Asomugha sweepstakes. Jets are out. Nnamdi’s about ready to make up his mind.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Shefty said there was a super-secret team waiting to pounce…
He’s comin here and we are going to win the Super Bowl!!!!!!!
"Call Kenny Loggins, cuz you're in the Danger Zone!!!"
they didn’t say anything about a cannonball…
"Call Kenny Loggins, cuz you're in the Danger Zone!!!"
by Gabe Durrant on Jul 29, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
NFL Network said they have a 1 source that says Dallas may actually be out of the race, and the secret surprise team was really good at keeping it all quite for some reason. Among those candidates as the secret team are both Bay area teams.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
They’re FREAKING OUT over at Blogging the Boys!
Could there be a Lake Erie team “keeping it quiet” too?
Are we not men?
by mister serious on Jul 29, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
AdamSchefter:
Jets out, Cowboys out on Nnamdi. Any one got any guesses?
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
per AdamSchefter:
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Jul 29, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I even posted on the wrong thread first.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Jul 29, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
dang. wonder what their vegas odds are going to be now.
"Call Kenny Loggins, cuz you're in the Danger Zone!!!"
by Gabe Durrant on Jul 29, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
About to start another FA open thread, with Nnamdi to Philly as the intro.
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New Open Thread:
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2011/7/29/2304132/nfl-free-agency-open-thread-nnamdi-to-the-eagles
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