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Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 3 - The Pads Go On

This is one of the few decent pictures I took. Next time I'll try to bring something besides a cell phone camera.

I was in attendance for Cleveland Browns training camp on the third day of action. It was my first time heading up to Berea to see training camp (I've only gone to the Family Fun Days at the stadium the past couple of years), so I admit that it was a bit difficult for me to know where to stand to get the best view of the action on the field. Nonetheless, today's edition contains some of the notes I took, as well as a collaboration from the rest of the local media.

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TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 3 (8/1/11)

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      Legendary Browns QB Bernie Kosar waves to fans (photo credit: ClevelandBrowns.com, John Reid)
  1. Kosar in the House: I picked the right day to go, because former Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar was watching practice. I was hoping he'd come closer to the fans at one point, because I was itching to ask him if he would be calling the team's preseason games again this season. Listening to Kosar dissect the play of the quarterbacks is my favorite part of the preseason. He had a chat with Tony Grossi of the Plain Dealer and then went closer to the facility. He did point to acknowledge the fans when they were cheering for him at the end of practice. It was also kind of cool to see Grossi and Mary Kay Cabot in person. I'm easily impressed, if you can't tell.
     
  2. Cribbs Still Sidelined: I knew one of the most obvious players to recognize from a distance would be Joshua Cribbs, but I didn't see him most of the day. I finally spotted him when the special teams unit went out to practice, but he was just standing beside receiver Jordan Norwood, who was returning punts. Cribbs is expected to return at the end of this week.
     
  3. Fielding Punts: Kickoffs weren't practiced while I was there, only punts. Norwood was catching all of Reggie Hodges' booming punts, but the first time the coverage units were actually rushing, Norwood muffed the catch before quickly scooping the ball back up.
     
  4. Rookie Tight End Limps Off: One of the players who was targeted often in passing drills was tight end Jordan Cameron. While the passes were short, he seemed to make quick, efficient routes and caught the ball whenever he was targeted. I cringed a little when I saw him on the ground after trying to cover a punt. I hoped it was just a cramp, since he got up and only had a slight limp to his walk. Shurmur confirmed after practice that it was indeed just a cramp. Other than him, no one suffered injuries during the first full day of pads.
     
  5. No Problem Picking Out Matthews: Talk about a guy who stands out. I'm referring to UDFA wide receiver Chris Matthews. First off, he looked massive compared to the other players around him. In a few of his routes, using his body to shield defenders looked like it could be a strength. Second, he is wearing No. 17, making me think of former receiver Braylon Edwards, especially when he did have one of the few drops of the day in a one-on-one drill. Third, I noticed a guy with orange hair when his helmet was off, and it turned out to be Matthews.
     
  6. Robiskie Getting Open: With Mohamed Massaquoi, Cribbs, and Carlton Mitchell out, there was no doubt about it that Brian Robiskie was Colt McCoy's favorite receiver. Just as he has done in the past, Robiskie didn't burn defenders with speed. He appeared to be making some nice cuts though and was getting open consistently on short- to medium passes. Hardly any drops either, and I really didn't see too many flat-out drops from receivers during the day.
     
  7. Up and Down for Gettis: We might have our first highlight from an UDFA defensive back: Chris Gettis intercepted a pass from Colt McCoy when he jumped a medium route on the left sideline. I couldn't tell who the receiver was, but McCoy looked frustrated and gestured with his hand as Gettis made the pick. A little later, I think Gettis allowed someone to break open. That player was...
     
  8. ...WR Johnathan Haggerty: I can see why this guy is a training camp stud. He seemed to have the best explosiveness of the receivers on the field. On one play, he broke wide open on the right sideline. QB Jarrett Brown spotted him and fired the ball a bit behind him. Haggerty went to the ground to come back and catch the ball, and then got up and continued running. Gettis was the closest defender to come back and touch Haggerty, so I think he was in coverage. Haggerty almost had a nice diving catch in the end zone, but the ball rattled free as he came down to the ground.
     
  9. Laying the Wood: With this being my first training camp session in Berea, I was waiting to see if there were any "pops" on the first day of full pads contact. The first one came when running back Peyton Hillis plowed into rookie safety Eric Hagg, giving the seventh-round pick a seat on the ground. A little later, cornerback Buster Skrine wasn't afraid to make some contact with Jordan Norwood just after he caught a pass. It wasn't a huge collision, but you could hear it.
     
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       Safety T.J. Ward after intercepting a pass from QB Seneca Wallace. (photo credit: ClevelandBrowns.com, John Reid)

  11. Ward Intercepts Wallace: On a playaction pass, Seneca Wallace quickly threw a dumpoff pass that was intercepted by safety T.J. Ward. When I saw Wallace's pass, I was confused because it looked like he threw it right at an anticipating Ward.
     
  12. Other Receive Notes: Early on, I saw second-round pick Greg Little with a couple good catches. Just from seeing him play, I don't see his one year of off time being a significant detriment. He looked ready enough to step in just as good as the other receivers. Jordan Norwood continued to receive reps as the slot receiver, but I don't know if he'll be able to do anything special enough to overtake Massaquoi, Cribbs, Robiskie, and Little. Maybe a fifth receiver role.
     
  13. Crowd Cheers for Big Play: I was expected to see a lot of deep passes or long completions based on what I've read about training camp in the past. I only saw one long play, and while the crowd cheered, it was too far away for me to see who was in on it. Per the Plain Dealer, it was Colt McCoy throwing about a 45-yard pass to Demetrius Williams (update: ABJ says Ray Ventrone appeared to get beat; big surprise). Williams has some experience as a deep ball threat with Baltimore. I wouldn't rule him out if he continues showing a niche for beating defensive backs deep. Williams also added a nice diving catch over the middle on a pass from Seneca Wallace.
     
  14. Crowd Noise: Fun to hear some of the little kids talk football to each other. Among the quotes I heard:
    "Wallace could start," says one kid. Another kid replies, "uh, no, McCoy is starting."
    Another kid randomly says, "Jake Delhomme sucks," even though the quarterback isn't even in camp.
    "Welcome to the NFL rookie," says a few fans after Hillis' stick on Hagg.
    "Get your ass back over here," says the Browns' defensive line coach after a lineman ran a drill wrong and was forced to re-do it.
     
  15. Rubin Looking Fluid: The closest part of practice I saw was the defensive linemen doing individual drills. Of the group, Ahtyba Rubin looked the most polished both in terms of balance, power, and even quickness. Jabaal Sheard stumbled a little bit at times, but I think he was pressing.
     
  16. Hardesty Not Playing Much: I thought it was just me, but I kept looking around and didn't see running back Montario Hardesty. As it turns out, Shurmur limited his reps because, "We want him to get used to carrying pads before getting him in there for all the reps." Hillis looked anxious to initiate contact in running back drills. I kept thinking, "take it easy, big guy," since Hardesty is already resting and Brandon Jackson has to wait until August 4 to get some reps.
     
  17. Check Out Daniel Wolf's Stuff: Many of you already know who Daniel Wolf is. He now writes for National Football Authority and is attending Browns training camp. His recap of today's session has been posted here. He also had some pictures taken, which are here. Lastly, be sure to follow him all training camp on Twitter for live updates on the action.
     
  18. Focus on Third QB: I thought I took poor notes at camp, but to my surprise, I basically whipped out 15 of my own bullet points above (pats self on back) with supporting information elsewhere. Here's someone I didn't pay much attention to, but Wolf did: quarterback Jarrett Brown. Says Wolf: "I spent most of my time watching backup quarterback Jarrett Brown, who is a 6'3" and 225 pound developmental project for the Browns. He has a cannon for an arm and was easily able to air it out deep, or he could gun it hard to thread the needle. It will be fun to watch Brown's growth and progression in the West Coast offense."
     
    Grossi was impressed with Brown too. I paid more attention to McCoy and Wallace and wherever they went. McCoy looked a little slower on his reads, but I thought he made some good throws. Wallace was quicker on his reads and liked moving the pocket on rollouts, but he's basically the same Wallace we know from last year (which is fine).
     
  19. Brownies: Someone fumbled at one point and the defense was pumped about it, but I couldn't tell who lost the ball...of the unknown receivers, Rod Windsor probably had the most reps...I saw offensive guard John Greco signing autographs after practice up-close...didn't chat with him, but he was more than open to carrying conversations and answering questions from other fans...ABJ says that tight end Robert Royal was back, but just as a spectator.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 1, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Lol love the orange hair thing on Mathews. Love that Hillis is wrecking early, especially into a rook.

And at least Greco is excited to be a brown.

Classic mode button! =D

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 1, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

only way Hagg will learn is from the best of em

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 1, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been reading DBN for awhile now but just got around to signing up for an account and wanted to say thanks to those who do such a good job getting up-to-date information out there. For someone who has only really started to follow professional football in the last couple years, it is great to have a place to go to get solid information from knowledgeable and enthusiastic people.

by Scenery on Aug 1, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

i’ve been around since draft time and i’ve got to say out of all the sites on the web this is the best one for posting and inputting any and all Browns news. i’m gonna miss it here.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 1, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m gonna miss it here.

I often miss comments, did you say you’re leaving?

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 1, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he’s in the service.

Classic mode button! =D

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 1, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a big thank you for his sacrifice goes Brownsbacker’s way.

by Don'tBuyBrownsQBJerseys on Aug 1, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s been my impression too. Even just in general football knowledge (say explaining how a specific defense works) it seems I find as good or better information here as just about anywhere else I look.

by Scenery on Aug 1, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck man, come back soon and safe.

by HenryDawg on Aug 2, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did McCoy throw any nice deep balls?

by emily522 on Aug 1, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like he threw a 45 yard bomb to Demetrius Williams (sic)

by scrumm on Aug 1, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is what happens when I skim rather than read.

by emily522 on Aug 1, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCoy threw balls deep then.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Aug 1, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

(waits for dirty comments to roll in)

(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)

by North Coast Flea on Aug 1, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw- been to eagle fan’s forum? Glad this group keeps it funny but not offensive.

The snozberries taste like snozberries!

by discgolfur on Aug 1, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

been to eagle fan’s forum?

Haha, I saw that thread, hilarious. Definitely glad it’s not like that over here everyday though.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Aug 1, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

One already has…

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Aug 1, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will never be able to un-see this.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 1, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is this i dont evem

Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.

by pwndabear on Aug 1, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quarterback Colt McCoy aired it out from 45 yards on a pretty pass to Demetrius Williams, who sneaked behind the secondary. Ball was well-thrown and caught.

(from Plain Dealer article)

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 1, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

For those of you interested I believe the one he’s talking about is at 2:02:

by scrumm on Aug 1, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

shweeet

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by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 1, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec! This is totally worth a watch.
I’ve never been more ready for some football.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Aug 1, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

1:10 is mouth watering. Watched it ten times in a row.

Classic mode button! =D

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 1, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not bad. That ball was thrown close to 50 yards if you look closely at the yardage markers.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 1, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. He lets it sail pretty high, but it’s definitely adequate. I wonder what the trajectory would be on a cold, windy day.

by scrumm on Aug 1, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a frozen rope ;-/

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 1, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Okay. That was so freakin’ awesome to see that. Football is back baby. Football is back. It just feels great to say it. Football is back.

The Drive, The Fumble, The Shot and The Decision define me. I live, die and breathe Cleveland Sports. The Browns will make us proud some day. When that day comes...I will be complete.

by Rounds94 on Aug 1, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhat related: I’m going to try to attend Family Day this Saturday, so if anyone else is going I’d love to stop by and say hello.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 1, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate living five states away.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 1, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Work.

Classic mode button! =D

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 1, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might be there with my niece and brother-in-law.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Aug 1, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you end up going e-mail me your phone number and we’ll try to meet up.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 2, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats not weird at all.

Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.

by pwndabear on Aug 2, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Less weird than you think. Last year a bunch of people got together at a bar to watch a preseason game. So while this is still a little weird, it’s not that weird.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 2, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I almost met Brad in Denver, too. I had a tournament though.

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by rufio on Aug 2, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys did?

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 2, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh-oh. Someone didn’t get invited.

"... you slay the chicken and you crack the egg ..." - Moon

by JustBob on Aug 2, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think the more the better.
If I do end up going, (my borther-in-law is waiting on weather), I’ll at the very least let you know my jersey number (probably either Cribbs or Hillis, but I’m working on a possible simms/dbn/fantasy football jersey).

Which reminds me, I bought a completely blank Browns jersey (no name, no numbers) for $10 at a thrift store. I have not yet decided what to put on it.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Aug 2, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put 73 on the numbers and GOD on the nameplate.

(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)

by North Coast Flea on Aug 2, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i would definitely go, but i’ve got plans to watch the UFC Ortiz/Evans fight that night. if anyone’s going to the Packers preseason game the next weekend i’ll def be there.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 1, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write up Chris – much better than the PD blurbs. I was surprised to see it was your first time to camp. I go up to Berea every other year to ensure the entire family grows up Browns fans even though we are in Texas. If you are close to Berea – I highly, highly recommend attending. It is dirt cheap (last time I went was only $5 to park), great bonding time with kids, and you can really get up close and personal. In addition, the Browns have an autograph tent for the kids after practice. I remember when the fam saw Ted Washington- largest human being they ever saw.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Aug 1, 2011 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

So watching the Raw Practice videos I was continuously impressed by number 15, but could not think of who it was. Finally saw it was Greg Little on Wolf’s photos and got super giddy. He has some great (and slightly surprising) breakaway speed considering his size. Definitely excited about him.

by Don'tBuyBrownsQBJerseys on Aug 1, 2011 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I saw the same thing and was pleasantly surprised to see it was Little. Doesn’t look like the year off hurt him that much.

The Drive, The Fumble, The Shot and The Decision define me. I live, die and breathe Cleveland Sports. The Browns will make us proud some day. When that day comes...I will be complete.

by Rounds94 on Aug 1, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude is a beast.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 2, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he is going to be something special.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 2, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. i’m anxious to see what he can do, but given my position on the receivers (they suck), i’m not willing to get myself too worked up until we actually see him on live game action.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 2, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m hearing he’s been impressive in training camp, but Wolf was also tweeting that he was dropping a few balls and they’re working with him on that. I personally believe that (ball catching skills) is one area where it takes a LOT of hard work for a receiver to improve on, but Little sounds like a hard worker and he’s still raw so fingers crossed. If he can improve in that area he could be a real diamond in the rough.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 3, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

i fully expect him to be our best receiver this year.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 3, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

which isn’t a very high bar, of course, considering my view of the receivers.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 3, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the view of WRs, but I’m still guessing Moma leads the group, assuming he can recover from the injury.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Aug 3, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might be a big assumption, I don’t know how serious it is.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Aug 3, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think you’re probably right that momass ends up w/ the best numbers among the receivers (assuming he plays the whole year), but i don’t think that means that he’d necessarily be the best. i expect little to make a big impact, while maybe not getting quite as many looks b/c he’s new, and possibly even draw more of the coverage and open up momass for additional stats.

i’m just hoping for under 849.5 yards for momass … kimble’s going to look good w/ that barney avatar…

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 3, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see him being 2011’s mike williams (elite talent who dropped and missed the college season)

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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Aug 4, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

1st Game!

Guys my wife just suprised me with a four day weekend in cleveland and tickets to the game vs the ravens on 12/4! It will be my first time in Cleveland and dont know much about it! I will be flying up from Alabama on fri and leaving on mon! Im a big BAMA fan as well as Browns fan so i was wondering where is the best place to watch the SEC Championship game on that Sat if the tide happens to be in it? I saw Bob Golic’s Sports Bar and thought it looked coll but wanted some suggestions! THANKS!

by kevin4ua on Aug 2, 2011 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d suggest making your own fanpost asking about what to do/where to go while in Cleveland so this thread doesn’t get overrun. Congratulations on the first game, I too went to my first game in December, against the Ravens. It was the day after Christmas, it was frigid cold with a bitter Lake Erie wind, and we lost, but I never had a better time in my life. Make sure to dress in many many layers.

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by North Coast Flea on Aug 2, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

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