Instant Recap: Cleveland Browns Defeat Green Bay Packers, 27-17
by Chris Pokorny on Aug 13, 2011 10:36 PM EDT
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How did Colt McCoy's first game in the West Coast Offense turn out? Not bad...not bad at all. The Cleveland Browns defeated the Green Bay Packers by a score of 27-17 in their first preseason game, but the thing everyone will take away from this game is the performance of the first-team offense under McCoy.
After the defense forced a quick three-and-out for the Packers' first-string offense, McCoy and company went to work. McCoy spread the ball around, hitting Joshua Cribbs, Greg Little, Peyton Hillis, and Brian Robiskie on consecutive positive plays. Then, on a first down from the 27-yard line, McCoy stepped back and threw a perfect pass to Cribbs at the right side of the end zone. Cribbs made a nice adjustment to the ball and grabbed it as he was going to the ground for a touchdown.
Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers answered with a touchdown of his own after some nice passes, and the Browns went three-and-out on their next possession. Head coach Pat Shurmur allowed McCoy and the first-team offense to have one more series though, and it paid off. McCoy completed two passes -- a 19-yarder and a 37-yarder -- to tight end Benjamin Watson. That led to a three-yard touchdown run by Hillis, giving Cleveland a 14-7 edge.
McCoy finished the game 9-of-10 for 135 yards and 1 touchdown pass. Hillis ended with 5 carries for 16 yards.
The Packers followed with backup quarterback Matt Flynn leading a 7+ minute drive, but it only netted a field goal. As the second half was coming to a close, Flynn picked apart the Browns' second-team defense to go ahead 17-14.
In the second half, the Browns started things off by really trying to get backup running back Brandon Jackson involved. Jackson had a lot of touches, and looked about a million times better than Mike Bell did at any point last season. The drive was capped off with a nice 46-yard field goal by backup kicker Jeff Wolfert.
Former Browns-invitee Graham Harrell then came on at quarterback for the Packers. He was leading the team to a decent looking drive until undrafted free agent linebacker Brian Smith came unblocked on a blitz. He drilled Harrell, forcing a fumble. Linebacker Titus Brown was right there to scoop it up and ended up running it back 43 yards for the go-ahead touchdown.
Seneca Wallace's job as the backup quarterback is safe, but he struggled against the Packers, making several overthrows, including an interception.
Fans were excited to get a look at third-string quarterback Jarrett Brown, but he fired an interception on his first pass of the day. That gave Green Bay good field position, but when they got into a fourth-and-goal situation mid-way through the fourth quarter, the snap was botched and the defense was able to come up with the stop.
Brown had another opportunity to lead a drive, but most of it consisted of running back Armond Smith tearing through the Packers' third-stringers. That led into the two-minute warning, with Cleveland facing a third-down situation. Cleveland ran the ball again to set up a fourth-down 44-yard field goal attempt by Wolfert again. Wolfert connected, giving the Browns a two possession lead at 27-17 and sealing the victory.
I'll have more of my thoughts on the game on Sunday, when I do my full recap of the game.
Final Number Leaders:
Leading Passer: QB Colt McCoy: 9-of-10, 135 yards, 1 touchdown.
Leading Rusher: RB Armond Smith: 9 carries, 38 yards.
Leading Receiver: TE Benjamin Watson: 2 catches, 56 yards.
Touchdowns: RB Peyton Hillis (1), WR Joshua Cribbs (1), LB Titus Brown (1)
Leading Tacklers: LB Titus Brown (4), S Ray Ventrone (4)
Sacks Recorded: DL Brian Sanford, DE Marcus Benard, LB Brian Smith, DE Jayme Mitchell, LB Auston English with 1 each
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Camp Colt pays off for Browns offense
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Aug 13, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions
Indeed. We have our leader. The hay’s in the barn.
by mister serious on Aug 13, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yee Haa
Browns, Indians, and Cavs,
Cleveland Fans, Support all of your teams.
by dawginhouston on Aug 14, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
DA just threw a touchdown. 3 for 3 with 71 yards. If he keeps that up this preseason, Carolina has a crazy QB competition.
Even Doug Dieken admits Joe Thomas is the real #73
True, but Clausen threw a pick 6 to start the game. And with Newton being the #1 draft pick, they can’t give up on him yet. As of right now, DA looks the best.
Even Doug Dieken admits Joe Thomas is the real #73
No way DA starts. It’s Newton or bust for them this year.
Alcohol abuse and Cleveland sports fans: hand-in-hand since 1955.
You’d think so, but this is also a team who has drafted three QBs in the last two years (Clausen, Pike, Newton). Wasn’t it the same way with Clausen? Newton is far from a sure thing right now. I’m sure last year people thought Leinart would start for the Cards. Newton could ride the bench to start the season.
Even Doug Dieken admits Joe Thomas is the real #73
Maybe to start the year, but by the midway point Newton has to be the starter. When you use the #1 pick on a guy, he better be a year one starter. This is especially true for Carolina, who could have filled one of their team’s other glaring holes, or traded back and filled several.
Alcohol abuse and Cleveland sports fans: hand-in-hand since 1955.
I agree that SHOULD be the case when you use the #1 pick, but I don’t believe Newton will the guy they need him to be. Also, I may be wrong, but I don’t think any teams wanted to trade up to #1 this year because the draft class had no “guaranteed” stars.
Even Doug Dieken admits Joe Thomas is the real #73
And DA hasn’t thrown one INT in preseason yet. Awesome!
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Aug 14, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It's official
Jimmy Clausen is REALLY bad. So glad we have Holmgren and Heckert making decisions.
Why do people still want to talk about that waste of space DA? He sucked here and he sucked in AZ. He always does ok in pre season once the regular season stats he will go 7-28 for 100 yards and 0 TD 3INT.. If he could not make it in AZ the team with one of the best WR in the game sorry he will not make it is Carolina.
by Brownsfan4ever on Aug 14, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Titus brown really showed up today.
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 13, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Awesome performance for a team that has been working in the system for 2 weeks. I love this team. I would keep all 90 of these guys if possible.
That's a stretch.
Some aspects were very good, others, not so much. First team defense got tore up by Rodgers and company. The two’s looked good on some plays applying pressure to Flynn, to be sure. Our offensive line will also be one of the best. But I’m worried about nearly everywhere except wideout.
Ventrone shored up the safety position with 4 tackles
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Tackleing after getting beat isn’t that much of a feat. I really don’t like ventrone, he’s only usefull for ST
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 13, 2011 10:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn, i can’t spell tonight.
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 13, 2011 10:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True. He was beaten consistently in coverage last year, but was as good on kick coverage as he was bad on pass coverage.
Which is why i want to get rid of him, anyone can cover kicks
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 13, 2011 11:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Concur with this
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Aug 14, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I give credit where credit is do. St. Louis Daboll did a fine job tonight.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
again, never call anyone Daboll or mention that name again. Ever.
"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping
by discoinferno083 on Aug 14, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
St. Louis Daboll is head coach of the Browns. I can’t help that.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
It just stuck from the off-season. It was originally an insult, now just a joke. It’ll fade away when we start winning in the regular season.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I think it will still be funny.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 15, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad to see Colt McCoy gaining the confidence needed to take another step in his career. We have some mixed feelings on the game over at APC. On one hand we are disappointed that none of our OLB’s are stepping up to earn a starting role. On the other hand, we are pleased with the number of weapons we have on offense. McCoy looked good for you guys though, so that’s the positive thing you guys outta take out of this game. Good luck this year guys!
2011 Super Bowl Champs!
Clay belongs here!
Seriously, I was pissed off to hear commentators talking about his rookie bro STARTING for the eagles. I wanted him quite badly, just to get one of the Mathews clan back.
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by LondonBrown on Aug 13, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Thomas should come home to Wisconsin! He belongs in Green Bay! I’ll trade you Derrek Sherrod and Chad Clifton for Joe Thomas straight up. What do you say?
2011 Super Bowl Champs!
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ll give you Brandon Jackson back for Clay Matthews.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I’ll miss Jackson. He’s among the better 3rd down backs in the league. I wish him well in Cleveland though, and I know you all will see his value. Let him block and catch out of the backfield, because that’s where he shines. With that said, I’m out. Good luck this season Cleveland!
2011 Super Bowl Champs!
Someone over there said your top 3 CBs didn’t play – is that true? If true, I am considerably less impressed but I don’t think it is accurate. I thought Woodson was the only one not to play.
Our Top 4 CB's didn't play
1. Charles Woodson
2. Tramon Williams
3. Sam Shields
4. Davon House (rookie)
They all have minor injuries and were kept out for precautionary measures. Bush is our 5th CB fighting with House for the #4 spot. He’s only on the roster because of his role on ST. Pat Lee was the other one and he’s just fighting to stay on the team as the #6 CB. Lee has been a 2nd Round bust for us. So sad… With that said though, they are experienced. They are bad, but experienced. The kind of performance McCoy put up was good for his confidence. Plus McCoy was pretty accurate with his passes, so he didn’t exactly give those guys much of a chance.
2011 Super Bowl Champs!
Except the first pass, where Colt should have run the ball, every pass Colt threw was perfect – at the exact spot each receiver needed to catch the ball and make a play. Hard to believe this is just 2 weeks into the new system.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Aug 13, 2011 11:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is really a picture of Thomas. But the photographer only got his head when Thomas Stretch Armstronged his pancake into the man’s mouth.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 14, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
McCoy to Cribbs
Interesting…… How can Cribbs throw the ball to Cribbs? A typo indeed!
Would’ve been interesting to see.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 14, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
fitpatrick did it too, with Cincy.
"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping
by discoinferno083 on Aug 14, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Love the throws threaded over the middle right through heavy traffic. By the time the receivers are settling in to the soft spot of the zone coverage, McCoy has already seen it and released the ball. This is where high football IQ combines with solid throwing mechanics and accuracy to create opportunities that aren’t there for many other QBs.
Throw it an instant too late or too early, and any one of three or four guys could make a play on the ball. Making that throw shows a ton of confidence and will make defenses respect you.
Which one? Hitting Robo right before the Cribbs TD? Or the one that hit Ben Watson near the goal line on the next drive that set up the Hillis TD?
The best thing about that throw was that he did a quick pump fake to get the defender (#36) to take a step in the wrong direction and free up a space for Robiskie where he wanted to throw. It was beautiful. I didn’t see it the first time, but when they showed the replay I saw #36 move the wrong direction so I thought McCoy must have pumped faked him. So I rewound the tape and saw his pump fake. Little things like that is what makes a QB successful in the NFL.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 14, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That was definitely and NFL throw. That was great to see.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 14, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Get used to it Browns fans. If we truly have ‘fixed’ the right side of our o-line, we’ll be seeing throws like that every week. Colt is the real deal.
by DawgsNHawgs on Aug 15, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The Watson/Cribbs throws are the ones he’ll have to make to keep defenses honest.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I loved the Watson play.
I guess there's only one thing left to do.....win the whole ******* thing. - Major League
by 24rubikscube on Aug 14, 2011 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
If the throw was on target, it would have been a TD.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Or if Watson had run his route correctly.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
What was supposed to happen on that play?
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Because I am not in the building, I am not 100% sure—and no one else can be which is kind of my point.
But I think Watson had a route to get in the seam regardless of coverage. If it’s 2-deep, he’s bending to a post. If it is 1-high like it was, he is outside of the S and inside of any CB in a deep Cover-3ish zone. “Green Grass means Go”
There was no deep CB (at least not where he would have been near Watson) but the S was pushing over to Watson from the middle of the field. Watson needs to feel the S leveraging him inside-out like that and adjust the route wider, expecting the pass to the outside. Colt is throwing to the open space, Watson needs to run to the open space. It’s just pitch and catch in the backyard.
All of this is nit-picky, but this is why being on the same page as receivers is so important. You gotta be happy with the first down and the big play, but as the same time if those two know exactly where that ball is going, it’s a TD.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Against pittsburgh and baltimore.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
If he makes that throw in December, it will work no matter who it’s up against. He put the ball in a place where only the receiver could make a play on it.
What won’t happen against Baltimore and Pittsburg is being able to move safeties with pump fakes and staring away from his target.
I think he has a better chance against Polamalu than Ed Reed, personally; Ed Reed has the ability to think like a QB more than any other DB in the league IMO.
Yeah but understanding that in a situation that particular throw is the one to make, shifting the protection so that you have time to make it, and making it with Ray Lewis/Ed Reed/James Harrison coming at you is still more difficult than doing those things against, say, Cincinnati.
Simply performing the bodily actions to make the throw isn’t the same as making that throw in a game.
I’d actually say that Ed Reed and Polamalu move a lot in response to pump fakes. They know they can take chances to create turnovers because their front 7s won’t give you much time to pump, move, and hit the next guy.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I thought our OL generally looked handy & McCoy did everything we dreamed of. On D Skrine seemed to be busy and I’m not sure I saw what I wanted from the DL.
Star: McCoy
Goat; Maieva?
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I would say Brown was the goat.
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 14, 2011 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^Sheldon Brown that is.
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 14, 2011 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Not so much.
Brown played great overall. That throw to Jennings at the pylon was great, and Jennings did a great job of playing dumb on it as well.
Sheldon Brown will be a stud this year back in the 4-3, and last nights game was proof.
He played soft coverage on at least the 1st three drives and was picked on the whole time. He also had a PI or a Facemask called on him on the 3rd drive. I don’t remember which it was, I was taking notes and didn’t right it down. I don’t know what game you were watching but Brown was a liability last night.
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: The Spacemarine (Warhmmer40K) game looks pretty good coming out. Will anyone buy?
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 14, 2011 12:10 AM EDT reply actions
I’m saving up for the new Deus Ex. If it’s half as good as the first one it’s my GOTY hands down.
"Quote goes here."
Meh. I’m saving to still get my copy of Reach: LE, Madden ’12, Skyrim and H:CE-A.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 14, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh???? The first Deus Ex is considered the best game of all time by people. Like PC Gamer: http://www.gamesradar.com/f/pc-gamers-top-100-pc-games-of-all-time/a-2010012911133649022/p-5
"Quote goes here."
SKYRIM.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Aug 14, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Madden 12,gears 3, mw3 and skyrim later
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 14, 2011 3:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m definitely getting Madden 12. I might be the only one playing it on PS3 here though.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Madden ’12. Not to play but to frame it. lol
by DawgsNHawgs on Aug 15, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Buster Skrine showed some promise out there, and Titus Brown pretty much just played his way onto the final roster.
"Quote goes here."
I think skrine had only one catch on him, and it was a pretty muh impossible one to defend, other than that, nothing was on him.
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 14, 2011 12:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
one interference call and one that should have been called, but yep he looked better than Eric Wright would have.
"There's a gleam men, there's a gleam!" Marty
by Red-Right-88 on Aug 14, 2011 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Aaron rodgers was picking on sheldon though..bad sign?
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 14, 2011 12:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Rodgers picked on Polamalu in the Super Bowl. Relax, not many QB’s are as good as he is. Even on the TD the coverage wasn’t horrible, just a great throw with perfect timing.
I ment bad sign as in more QBs will do it
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 14, 2011 2:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Even on the TD the coverage wasn’t horrible, just a great throw with perfect timing.
That’s understating it. Sheldon was all over Jennings’ inside shoulder. It was really tight coverage, but there’s not much you can do with a pass like that.
by rebuilding year on Aug 14, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Sheldon had him nearly blanketed. Just have to give credit where it’s due, and Rodgers and Jennings played it great. Show’s why they won it all last year.
It will continue to happen if we keep playing soft Cover 3 with no pressure.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Aug 14, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bernard is going to kill it this year. He looked the best DL last night.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What pass rush?
first teamers looked soft.
yep, the hay is in the barn! yipeeayeyay!
by mooncamping on Aug 14, 2011 2:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
I watched this game on nfl network. All they talked about was the stinking packers, the whole game. They we’re playing in Cleveland, We have players that our fans want national coverage of but NO! All they talked we’re the f-ing packers.I know their the champs. This is a new season, they should comment on both teams. It was liked they ( when they did mention the Browns ) were turning to Oley, and he said (they still have a team in Cleveland ) GO BROWNS.
Browns, Indians, and Cavs,
Cleveland Fans, Support all of your teams.
It’s because they streamed it through the packers network, the announcers were packers fans.
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 14, 2011 3:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I loved when Gannon called Kevin “ADAM” (as in Adam Schein) and Kevin blew up on him. NFL network is so lame it kills me. At least I got to see the game down here in Florida though.
With 281 yards against the Steelers on October 17, 2010, Colt McCoy captured our hearts and gave us hope once again.
I laughed at that too.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Norwood looked really good in both receiving and retuning roles.
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 14, 2011 4:02 AM EDT reply actions
+1. He was fun to watch – a pleasant surprise.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Aug 14, 2011 9:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Norwood looked like he belonged out there.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 14, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
He is sneaky fast..He broke a couple ankles out there last night.
With 281 yards against the Steelers on October 17, 2010, Colt McCoy captured our hearts and gave us hope once again.
It really wasn’t all that sneaky, he looked fast from the second he touched the ball for the first time.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Do you think a 28 year old Colt (3 years from now) can make that kind of play? It struck me as the kind of decision and throw only a seasoned vet makes comfortably, even in preseason.
The big takeaway from this game was how coordinated the offense was in the new system. A huge hat tip to coach Shurmur, I was expecting multiple false starts, some INTs due to poor communication and the first team offense really looked sharp. I know it is only exhibition season, but it is obvious that these guys are working their tails off to get up to speed on the new WCO.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Was impressed with Norwood’s speed and vision. No practice squad for him.
Brandon Jackson is quick! I love that signing!
1st D’s front 7 needs to step up more.
NFL Network sucks! Left the game way to much for other game highlights. No switch to Browns coverage for 2nd half. All Packers, all the time. Non-stop ass kissing. Made me wanna vomit.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
McGee looked pretty good too.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with all these points. Jackson looked surprisingly decent contrary to what I’ve heard about him.
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 14, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m as encouraged as anyone else, I loved what I saw from the first team offense last night. I do, however, have to remind myself that about this time last year, so many of us (myself included) were stoked from what we had seen from Delhomme.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
by Browns town on Aug 14, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Boo reality check!
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 14, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I’ll be leaving then.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
by Browns town on Aug 14, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Makes me wonder how last year’s team might have played for this year’s coaching staff.
As it turns out, we had a more veteran team playing for a still relatively unproven HC and former ball boy, notwithstanding his time with the Jets, and a very suspect OC in “he who must not be named”.
This year, on the other hand, we have a much younger and vastly more athletic group of players with a rookie HC surrounded by years of NFL experience from top of the front office down to prolly the towel boy in the locker room.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Aug 14, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
indeed. do not name him.
"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping
by discoinferno083 on Aug 14, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as some of us have ripped this receiving core, they sure looked impressive yesterday.
I’m extremely excited to see the rest of our preseason games.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Matthews needs to get rid of that #17. It belongs on a flaming pyre in the lake.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Seipp.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 14, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point about the receivers. I’ve been in the “our receivers suck” camp for a long time and have had doubts whether we could succeed running a WCO style offense in particular. But listening to all of the tweets from camp (Wolf) I started to get a little more optimistic. Last night I was extremely impressed, not only with the wide receivers but the entire offensive unit. I know its still early, but after what I saw last night I’m pumped, and I think Shurmur deserves a lot of credit for installing this WCO offense so quickly and effectively.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 14, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone mentioned this last night in the game thread, but after watching a replay, FB did indeed throw a decent block to open the hole for Hillis on his short TD run.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I saw that, but I was a bit dissapointed with the dropped pass on the first drive when there wasn’t a sole around him for 20 yards. Was hoping to see Owen plow thru a couple of DBs early to set the tone.
With 281 yards against the Steelers on October 17, 2010, Colt McCoy captured our hearts and gave us hope once again.
Yeah, I was listening to Colt in his press conference though and he put that all on himself. He said he should have run it and really took Owen by surprise when he flicked it over to him. I’ll give Owen a pass on that one considering its his first down in his very first NFL game.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 14, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
haha. agreed. I wasn’t really dissapointed with the drop, it was a surprissing pass to everyone, I was dissapointed we didn’t get to see him maul a few DB’s
With 281 yards against the Steelers on October 17, 2010, Colt McCoy captured our hearts and gave us hope once again.
Yeah – same here. Hopefully another few weeks of practice and he’ll be into a groove with the rest of the offense.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 14, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a bad pass. Not his fault.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
it wasn’t a bad pass, just a surprissing one..the pass hit him in the hands. He wasn’t expecting it and neither was anyone watching.
With 281 yards against the Steelers on October 17, 2010, Colt McCoy captured our hearts and gave us hope once again.
Merecic had to turn around and almost one hand it. He was wide open at first. I was expecting the pass, just not no so late.
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
no
My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That ball needs to be one yard in front of him, not one yard behind him. Details like that win games; it was a bad pass.
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Yes – I think the pass was a little behind him as well. Colt admits in his presser he should have just run with it at that point.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 14, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
and the whole time I was screaming “jump on the ball” because I clearly thought it was a backwards pass, after watching the replay, my wife says “shut up!”
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by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was considered a lateral because at the end of the first drive the announcers said McCoy was 5 for 5 passing, so that obviously wasn’t considered an incomplete pass.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 14, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I had heard he was 9/10 on the night and thought that was his only inc. I do remember hearing that Rodgers was 5-5 on his 2nd drive(wrote it down). Maybe that’s what you heard.
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by North Coast Flea on Aug 14, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they scored that as a lateral. If that’s a pass, colt was 9 for 11.
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If you are talking about that lateral/fumble, I don’t know how the box score guy would do it. I would say that’s Colt’s fumble, but they might put it on Maceric. If there was another fumble I don’t remember it.
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That’s exactly what I was mentioning.. to me that’s Colt fumble. Not really important, since we all agree he’d have ran it.
I’d be very interested as the season moves along to see some rufio posts about how the west coast offense has been executed by this seasons’ Browns. Seems like Shurmgren is already building his own version for McCoy.
No, that stat was after the Browns’ first drive. I remember it clearly because I was talking to my dad about Colt’s pass being a lateral since they didn’t give him an incompletion.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 14, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Colt said that Marecic was his 5th option on that pass/lateral play.
As for the o-line and FB blocking for the HIllis TD, went back and watched the blocking several times. Marecic did a very nice job staying with his block. But, Pashos and Lauvao absolutely destroyed their guys on the right side. A great example of good zone blocking.
The center and backside were also perfect in blocking down— as usual. If they continue that into the regular season, Hillis could easily repeat total yds from last year — with or without Hardesty.
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by JustPlainBrowns on Aug 14, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Jackson just moved ahead of Hardesty.
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by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I like our backfiled depth if Hardesty is number 3
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I have a feeling Shurmur doesn’t like him.
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by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point i’m tire of his injurys, i like that armone? Smith guy, had 4.1 avg looked fast to, if hatdesty can’t get healthy, i want him
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 14, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At this point i’m tire of his injurys, i like that armone? Smith guy, had 4.1 avg looked fast to, if hardesty can’t get healthy, i want him
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 14, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At this point i’m tire of his injurys, i like that armone? Smith guy, had 4.1 avg looked fast to, if hardesty can’t get healthy, i want him
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Does this happen everytime there is a double post fail?
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 14, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Does this happen everytime there is a double post fail?
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by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this happen everytime there is a double post fail?
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What the hell? I didn’t post this. Either it’s a glitch or someone is screwing with us.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point i’m tire of his injurys, i like that armone? Smith guy, had 4.1 avg looked fast too, if hardesty can’t get healthy, i want him
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by JustPlainBrowns on Aug 14, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point i’m tire of his injurys, i like that armone? Smith guy, had 4.1 avg looked fast to, if hatdesty can’t get healthy, i want him
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by North Coast Flea on Aug 14, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point i’m tire of his injurys, i like that armone? Smith guy, had 4.1 avg looked fast to, if hardesty can’t get healthy, i want him
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 14, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so sure Hardesty
will even play this year. I see him getting some PT by week four or five. Browns are covered with Hillis and third down back Jackson. Plus, I have a feeling Marecic could be used somewhat like Hillis; he must learn the difference between a forward pass and a lateral, though.
But I don’t think MHardesty is close to playing.
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by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, I have a feeling Marecic could be used somewhat like Hillis
Is that feeling because they are both white? Because there really is no basis for it. Hillis played a lot of tailback in his past before last year including in the NFL and in bigtime college football. Not the case at all with Marecic.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 14, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Merecic can catch out of the backfield and will be a dozer on dive plays. Just like Hiliis.
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by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Pashas is a giant. I had forgotten how big he was. Hope he can stay healthy.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 14, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I made not of Marecic’s decent blocking early on in the game.
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by North Coast Flea on Aug 14, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Scratch a defensive pass interference call, I was very impressed with Buster Skrine. He plays fast and isnt afraid of contact. On one play in particular, he was coming on a corner blitz, they ran a s’weep to his side and he launched his body to try and make the play. The fullback destroyed him but he took a blocker and allowed the back to make the tackle. Nice to see a low draft pick with heart and determination!
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I don’t think the pass interference call is a knock on Skrine. He had good coverage and was just a second too fast and got in the way. When he gets more practice I think his timing will improve and he’ll make the play without a penalty.
He just needs to come with the front arm and not try to wrap as he goes through the ballcarrier to get the ball. If the front arm is knocking the ball while the back arm is pulling the receiver, that’s a flag every time.
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It was a little soft, but anytime you bring one hand to deflect in front and wrap with the back arm, you’re getting that.
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Man, you’re into some freaky stuff.
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by SpecialBrownie on Aug 15, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
On one play in particular, he was coming on a corner blitz, they ran a s’weep to his side and he launched his body to try and make the play. The fullback destroyed him but he took a blocker and allowed the back to make the tackle.
I jumped off the couch when I saw this. Absolutely blew the play up.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 14, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a big collision. I screamed an “OHHH!”.
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by Brownie's Year on Aug 14, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
just a note: this is the 4th consecutive year we’ve defeated the defending Super Bowl champ.
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by discoinferno083 on Aug 14, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
Technically yes, but the last three were in the regular season.
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 14, 2011 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Look for a bump in the fan confidence poll this week.
That effort has got to be worth at least +10.
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by JustPlainBrowns on Aug 14, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
Don’t get too excited, Delhomme looked like he had broken his slump in the 1st preseason game last year.
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by North Coast Flea on Aug 14, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Been high on Jordan Norwood, and after last night I’m even more stoked. Kid is slippery as hell and is twice as quick. Would LOVE to see him in the slot this year. He would be a match-up nightmare for other teams.
2. Little looks physical. Has no problem working the middle of the field and loves mixing it up.
3. Our D-Line looks the part. Didn’t get too much pressure on Rodgers, but I chalk that up to Rodgers being part android and getting rid of the ball quicker than we could get there.
4. O-line gave Colt plenty of time. Hope that Pashos can stay healthy he seems to solidify the right side. Lauavo looked good as well.
5. I don’t think anyone is going to throw at Haden this season. He may finish the season with less than 30 tackles.
6. Vetrone needs to go away.
7. It’s only preseason, but I’m excited.
As far as #3 goes, we were also playing it safe and keeping it really vanilla with the first team D. We brought a few pressures with the 2nd/3rd stringers, but the first team wasn’t really trying to disguise anything and we were just playing normal defenses (which Rodgers is going to pick apart all day).
I am hoping Jauron adopts more pre-snap deception and bring more pressure during the regular season, because I don’t think he’ll last long here if he doesn’t.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
We brought a few pressures with the 2nd/3rd stringers, but the first team wasn’t really trying to disguise anything and we were just playing normal defenses (which Rodgers is going to pick apart all day).
I really liked what he was doing later in the game bringing LB’s in waves. The sack-fumble was a beautiful illustration of what I am hoping Jauron will do.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 15, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Watching our 1s against their 2s, I just saw Sheard drop into coverage on a zone blitz. Jauron was bringing DBs a lot too, something Ryan did that I hope continues.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I know I saw one occasion where Sheard dropped back. I think the Packers were going right to left on the TV screen.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 15, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, Jaurons’ resume is quite impressive. Don’t want to much disguise or deception on tape before the season starts. He’ll be fine and we’ll be happy.
by DawgsNHawgs on Aug 15, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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