Former Browns RB James Davis Decides to Leave Redskins Camp
by Chris Pokorny on Aug 16, 2011 10:00 PM EDT
in General News
Email
PrintWhere in the world is running back James Davis, who is a member of the Washington Redskins?
"I don’t know," Shanahan said following Tuesday morning’s practice. "If you see him, let me know because I was wondering where he was at, too. I don’t know where he was at. Missing in action."
"I think he’s retired from football. That’s my guess." Shanahan said he believed Davis was in Atlanta and was prepared to walk away from football. He said the team has not released the third-year back.
If you don't remember, Davis was a sixth-round draft pick for the Browns during the 2009 draft. He suffered an early season-ending injury that year, and in 2010, he was released. At the time, Davis seemed to indicate on his Twitter account that he had asked to be released by the Browns, probably due to his lack of playing time in Cleveland. That might be the case in Washington too since he did not see a single carry in the Redskins' first preseason game against Pittsburgh.
Davis abruptly left a meeting Sunday night at Redskins Park, according to a report by ESPN 980, because he was unhappy with his playing time. Davis took to Twitter on Tuesday morning and said, "Please do not believe everything you here (sic) people. The story will be released soon. The real truth of the story."
We don't know Davis' side of the story yet, but the rumors make it sound like Davis doesn't want to continue competing in the league if he doesn't feel he's going to end up receiving any playing time.
162 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Maybe we should bring him back in. Even with injuries to our running backs last season, Mangini didn’t even try to use him. He could be a good change of pace back or even a speedy backfield receiving option like Reggie Bush.
Thus just in – nobody wants him.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
by realmccoy on Aug 16, 2011 10:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Modern football has completely marginalized the elite tailback. Most OCs feel that if they build their schemes as well as offensive line correctly, they can plug anyone in there. GMs love this because elite RBs cost so much money, and yet provide just a few short years of peak productivity.
As an aside, I think Peyton Hillis is great, but I don’t think he’s thinking for a second that he’s going to be a starting running back in 5 years.
For example, Chris Johnson thinking he should be one of the highest paid players in the league. No Thanks.
I can see it from the perspective of a runningback. You have about 3 peak earning years, following by 3-5 more years as a backup/short yardage back. In that 6-8 year timespan, you need to make enough money to retire on.
Can you imagine retiring at age 30 with $5 million in the bank? Not as trivial as you might think…
You have about 3 peak earning years
No you don’t, you have as many peak earning years as you can convince teams to sign you for.
RB’s careers are short, for sure. Johnson won’t become the top paid player in the league, but he could get a long contract that pays him a lot more than he’s worth once he gets older. I think the Titans should offer him incentives to become the highest paid player in the league if he plays like it: break 2000 yards, get a bonus. Make the all-pro team, get a bonus. Break 2500 yards, get a really big bonus. Have over 5.0 ypc, get a bonus.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Reggie Bush has more talent in his dreams than James Davis does in reality. Not even close in speed and pure football talent. When I lived in Clemson country I knew he wouldn’t amount to much in the NFL.
by Granville74 on Aug 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Comparing James Davis to Reggie Bush is a bit of a stretch.
by Onyx Lightning on Aug 17, 2011 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A bit, but not a lot.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Vehemenently disagree….Reggie Bush has the ability to contribute. Now ay James Davis will ever contribute. Players like Terrell Davis were rare at best. Not everyone drafted in the sixth round could do what Terrell did. There is a reason James Davis was a low draft pick and Reggie Bush was as high as he was. Reggie may not have been the impact player he was anticiapted as being, but I sure would have liked to see him wearing Brown and Orange this year before I would a career non-contributor like James Davis.
by Granville74 on Aug 17, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
A bit, but not a lot.
No. A lot.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Brandon Jackson would be just slightly worse than Bush for New Orleans. The players around him make him look passable, but I really don’t think Reggie Bush is very good.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
OK. That’s insane. Bush demanded a ton of attention from defenses in New Orleans freeing up a lot of other guys. Brandon Jackson does not demand that attention in the least bit.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 17, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Moreover, comparing James Davis to Brandon Jackson is still a lot of a stretch. James Davis sucks.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 17, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bush demanded a ton of attention from defenses in New Orleans freeing up a lot of other guys.
I think you’ve got this totally backwards. People are so concerned with Brees and their receivers that Bush can get put in good positions with favorable match-ups. Bush benefits from their other guys, not the other way around.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackson: 3.8 YPC, 7.7 YPReception
Bush: 4.0 YPC, 7.3 YPR
So yeah, it’s crazy to compare those two right? On top of that, I’m sure Bush blocks as well as Jackson, right?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I did yards per reception instead of total yards. Jackson wasn’t featured as heavily as Bush in his team’s offense, but when he got the ball he was every bit as productive as Bush. This backs up my statement that if Jackson played in New Orleans he would only be slightly worse than Bush.
In fact, I could be saying that he wouldn’t be any worse, and the stats would support me.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Was Jackson not “featured as heavily as Bush,” or is Jackson just not as capable of of receiving out of the backfield as Bush is?
by Chemo on Aug 17, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boom. Bush creates mismatches with the defense, Jackson…eh, not nearly as much.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
I’d say most linebackers won’t be able to shut Jackson down one on one.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I agree. as a defense, are you going to be more worried about them handing it off to Bush or for Brees to throw it to any one of his WRs. I worry about Brees, and as long as the D keeps bush in front of them, he is a very secondary threat on that offense.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Well, considering he has Chad Henne throwing to him now, it could ruin his career. I still say it would have been nice to see Colt throwing to him.
Hey I would have loved to see Bush here, but he’s not much better than Jackson.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i prefer shaved
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
by pwndabear on Aug 17, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i agree with you on Davis—he just isn’t very good.
And while Bush did things for New Orleans’ offense that don’t show up on paper, he isn’t the one that makes that offense go. I do not think there will be much of a dropoff between him and the average 3rd down back. There are a lot of guys who could have done what Bush did for that offense.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Never said that Bush made that offense go. Said that he demanded a lot of attention which helped the rest of the offense. We will see this year — with Sproles replacing him.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 17, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said that Bush made that offense go. Said that he demanded a lot of attention which helped the rest of the offense
What is the distinction between the two for you?
If he is demanding attention such that defenses must plan around him, and therefore the offense plans their adjustments to what those defenses will do because of him, how is he not making the offense go?
This is what I was referring to. I think people were way more worried about Brees carving them up and defending them conceptually as opposed to any one on one matchups out there.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Good article can be found here. I don’t think he makes that offense click, but I think he was a big part of it.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
That article makes ridiculous assumptions about Peyton’s playcalling and it’s on the same site that also features this
Drew Brees is that offense. Bush is just a good 3rd down back who can’t be relied upon to finish a season.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’m not saying he made this offense. Did you read what I wrote above? I am saying that he creates mismatches that open up Peyton’s offense. I am not saying that he is the only one that can do that. Also, hell yeah he has injury issues. So? Either way, he did play a role in the Saints offense. Our interpretations of how big a role may be different it seems.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Need I bring up my article on the most UFL ready players still in the NFL?
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 17, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we should bring him back in.
Maybe we shouldn’t.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 17, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no, I’m getting paid over 500,000 dollars to sit on the bench and watch a football game. Life sucks.
Hell, let me do that.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 16, 2011 11:14 PM EDT reply actions
He’s an idiot. Being a professional bench sitter is the best job in the world. You get to watch sporting events from the best seat in the house, get paid enormous amounts of money, and your risk of bodily injury is significantly less than those actually playing.
Alcohol abuse and Cleveland sports fans: hand-in-hand since 1955.
He wasn’t going to make the team so he wasn’t going to get close to 1/2 million. Shanahan said they didn’t fine him because he made only 1500 bucks:
Shanahan added that the Redskins won’t fine Davis for walking out on them because he doesn’t have any money to take.
"I think maybe he’s made $1,500," Shanahan said. "Add that up, that’s not good."
Somewhat off-topic, but Shanahan is being exposed as the sh*tty coach that he is (not for not using James Davis which is a no-brainer). He failed with the Raiders back when Al Davis wasn’t fully insane, and then he failed withe Broncos after he lost Elway. Elway & Terrell Davis were responsible for those Super Bowl wins; Shanahan wasn’t. So happy we did not go with him.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, the Broncos were a good team long after Elway retired. Not great, but certainly not bad.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Class move putting the guys money out there like that. I’m not supporting Davis or his actions but Shanahan seems to be butting heads with a lot of players. If he will talk about his player to the media like this, imagine what he is like behind closed doors.
by darthVictor13 on Aug 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Player salaries are pretty much open knowledge.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Still kind of a dick move though. Especially when you are basically making fun of what he got paid, knowing that a lot of guys get paid a ton of money.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 17, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand that. It’s more about the way he did it to his own player. It was unnecessary and he clearly said it to demean Davis.
by darthVictor13 on Aug 17, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious? So Shanahan’s record of 91-69 after Elway left and only 2 losing seasons makes him a shitty coach? I’m a Browns fan, but I’m also a huge Skins fan, and I can tell you that having Shanny clean house like he has this past offseason is more than a welcomed sight. People think he treated McNubbs poorly? How about the guy being lazy at practice? Or refusing to wear a wrist band to help him pick up the offense because it hurt his “image”. People hate it when they think a nice guy is benched, but if he isn’t performing, he should be benched, and McNabb did not perform last year. Rex Grossman came in and made our offense more consistent and that alone I think speaks highly of our coaching. As soon as the lockout was lifted, Shanahan and our front office were quick to move both McNabb and Haynesworth out’ve town and now with Portis and other headcases like James Davis out of the picture, I can honestly say Washington is heading in the right direction, as long as our idiot owner continues to sit on his hands and let the guys who know football do their thing. Trust me, Shanahan knows football, and for you to say he’s a shitty coach is just not factual. If my Skins hadn’t brought in Shanahan, I would’ve prayed that the Browns had. Dan Reeves is a guy you can pick on, seeing as he lived off of Elway’s arm but could never win any of the four Super Bowls they got to. Shanahan drafting Terrell Davis in the 6th round shouldn’t be commended though…
I never thought I’d see the day where someone would defend Al Davis’ thought process…
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And to add on, it was our manipulating owner that made the push to bring in McNabb, not Mike and Kyle, that much has come out at least.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Shanahan def has some asshole in him, I won’t deny that, but Ill proudly defend his resume as a coach.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 17, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I do not like your owner.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Our owner is the worst in the NFL, the day he crashes his private jet in the Canadian Rockies is the day theres a parade down Pennsylvania Avenue.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 17, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No I dont, because death would mean his body is brought back to DC and we all know that his human body can die, but his demonic presence cannot, therefore hed reoccupy another human vessel and pick up where he left off.. I just would like it if he lived out his remaining days, surviving on wolf meat and living off the land..
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 18, 2011 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I like it. Can he take Art Modell with him?
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
by Dawg Nuts on Aug 18, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It sucks to see him go out like this. I never saw him as a starter but the fact that he never really got an honest opportunity to make a splash really bothers me. I saw James as a solid 3rd guy which, in this league, means you’re getting at least some time (just ask Brandon Jackson). I really think that James Davis would have been a solid running back for someone had he gotten the opportunity that he deserves. Good Luck James
I don’t want to be mean, Chris, but isn’t this fanshot material? It’s hard to find the interesting threads and stories on this site because the main page is always cluttered with junk.
There is a quota we’re trying to meet per day.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Aug 17, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
like a cop near the end of the kind type of a-hole quota?
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
sigh like a cop near the end of the MONTH type of a-hole quota?
be realistic with me: EDIT BUTTON PLEASE
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
be realistic with me: EDIT BUTTON PLEASE
1. Slow down.
2. See below.
.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 17, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
im on a very slow computer at work with a worthless internet connection. it usually takes an extra minute for my post to actually post and just as long for it to preview.
an edit button would make life easier for everyone.
BURNTORANGEANDBROWN FOR MOD FTW!
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
I’ve asked for an edit button before and there have been lengthy threads on the topic (the “revisionist history” issue / non-issue, etc…). I doubt its going to happen to happen any time soon.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 17, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
to happen to happen
Oh, the irony.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ha!
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 17, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
are they unable to put one in or do they just choose not to?
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
That is the call of SBNation.com, our network who maintains the platform. It’s been debated behind the scenes between all the bloggers before. The general consensus is that an edit button would not be favorable due to the number of people who would abuse it. And, the preview button is available to double check before posting.
In the end, errors in comments really aren’t a big deal; a reply with an asterisk and the correction works fine.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Aug 17, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The general consensus is that an edit button would not be favorable due to the number of people who would abuse it.
Tell those morons arguing that to look at just about every other forum in the entire history of the internet.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
by Simmsinns on Aug 17, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
clearly they arent going to change anything as this “forum” is not necessarily a thread forum but more an individual response board.
i have to be honest, it took a long time getting used to this format but i got it eventually.
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
It works more like a forum than most comment sections. But seriously, “abusing” an edit button. That’s a really laughable excuse not to put on in. I wonder if those guys realize folks are only suggesting a user can edit their own comments.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
That’s how it works on Guildportal. Other than Admins, they can edit anything. It also adds a little tag that says: “Last updated by so and so on xdate at xtime”. Not that I’ saying we need to have an edit button. In the end *correction is pretty much the same as Editted tagline, people will still know you made a mistake.
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 17, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously
because people have a tendency to ‘abuse’ the subject line.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 17, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The abuse
clearly creates clutter, maeks it annoying to read through threads.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
This is why just another comment is not sufficient compared to an edit botton.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
a preview button is also fairly worthless unless you want to see if a picture works or something like that. otherwise, all you have to do is read your original post instead of pressing a button that allows you to read your original post.
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
*makes *button
And the horrific irony continues on its relentless march.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 17, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well played.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
*plaid
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You honestly don’t see how the ability to edit even just your own comments could cause problems?
I’m not necessarily against an edit button, but you have to admit that’s a legitimate concern.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely a legitimate concern. I think it can be solved by putting a 5 minute limit on edits. I see that in other comments sections.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 17, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, there are ways around it, to be sure.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You honestly don’t see how the ability to edit even just your own comments could cause problems?
No, because it doesn’t really. It’s not an actual issue.
If it was put into practice, you’d see that. There’s precedent that proves my point as well, that being the millions of online communities with edit buttons.
but you have to admit that’s a legitimate concern.
No, I don’t, because it’s not a legitimate concern.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
by Simmsinns on Aug 17, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can’t imagine any situation where someone would make some ridiculous claim, then edit it afterwards to make everyone after them look stupid? You seriously think that is out of the realm of possibility?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t imagine any situation where someone would make some ridiculous claim, then edit it afterwards to make everyone after them look stupid? You seriously think that is out of the realm of possibility?
Nope. What I see in your given scenario is some idiot with that in mind making himself look like an idiot.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
by Simmsinns on Aug 17, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok, but now we have some idiot to deal with, and without the edit button, that wouldn’t be the case.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The troll is going to troll. If he’s not editing his posts, than he’s leaving “who dey!” in subject line or some other troll behavior.
It’s not really some huge thing that would explode if there’s an edit button all of the sudden.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
And it’s not some huge thing that we don’t have an edit button. Both are minor annoyances at worst.
My point is simply that you have to admit there is a minor annoyance still present with the edit button.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You call it a minor annoyance, I’ll call it a non-issue.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Well using that logic I’ll call extra posts a non-issue. There problem solved. There is absolutely no issue with extra posts.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not just a “yes/no” situation. There have been other things suggested, some of which could be in place for all I know some where down the line. For example…
1. Allow users to edit posts within 5 minutes of posting.
2. Add a “edited by [name] at [time]” to the footer of the post.
The counter argument is that it can hurt chain replies. A lot of times, debates get started if someone states a certain opinion. What if the original member edits their thoughts later on? Then everyone’s comments who responded (as a branch) don’t appear to make sense.
I think an edit button beyond maybe a couple of minutes would be a terrible idea. And, authors of posts should have the ability to allow/disallow editing on a post-by-post basis, because I wouldn’t want any editing in a gamethread, draft thread, etc…something that depends on a lot of high-volume posting in a short period of time.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Aug 17, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
most of the time anyone really wants to edit is to correct something simple and stupid. and most of the time, its because of a simple error that we notice immediately after posting. if they gave a 2 minute window, i think that would be perfect.
then again, how have other forums been working so well for so long WITH edit features?
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
SB Nation sites are much different than traditional forums, but also very similar. It’s a weird paradox.
As someone who used to moderate regular message boards too, I encountered a lot of members who edited their previous message to render “replies” useless. It added more duties to the moderation table rather than less.
Also, if you ever double post and say (mod, please remove typo post above), I try to do that if I can.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Aug 17, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The SB Nation format demands the edit button far more than the traditional forums, for reasons shown above.
But at the same time, makes it easier for the “I’ll make those replying look dumb” douchebags even more obvious, because of how they are chained, rather than just stacked chronologically.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
The counter argument is that it can hurt chain replies. A lot of times, debates get started if someone states a certain opinion. What if the original member edits their thoughts later on? Then everyone’s comments who responded (as a branch) don’t appear to make sense.
It doesn’t really hurt chain replies. People will be using it to correct typos. However, in the rare case that someone is in a debate and edits their thoughts for god knows what reason, they look like the moron, not those who replied. Because, those replying, the ones not editing their comments for shits n giggles, already know what he really said. And only the edited comment appears to make no sense. In which case, the member is chastised by the community and either changes their behavior or is banned/shunned. Similar to the way we treat those who use subject lines.
It’s really a non-issue.
To further my point, I can edit my FanPosts / FanShots when ever I want. Without time limits. If, for some dumbass reason, I wanted to make all the comments “appear to make no sense” I could edit those into something entirely different. Only, that possibility doesn’t actually make the edit button for FanPosts/FanShots controversial or even worth discussing that it’s a problem.
I think an edit button beyond maybe a couple of minutes would be a terrible idea.
I think a full edit button, without arbitrary time limits makes sense, and it’s pretty absurd that it hasn’t been implemented yet. If someone ones to “abuse” the edit button to make themselves look like morons, as we ACTUALLY see with subject lines (I don’t see those going anywhere despite the actual well documented problem), then so be it.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
And only the edited comment appears to make no sense. In which case, the member is chastised by the community and either changes their behavior or is banned/shunned. Similar to the way we treat those who use subject lines.
So the edit button doesn’t actually help anything. The choice is dealing with a reply that says *correction or adding extra mod duties or community responsibilities.
Expecting the community as a whole to take care of something like this is just as difficult as those extra comments that explain an error. There is absolutely no work saved here.
How exactly would the community chastise or “shun” a member? Wouldn’t that encourage big flame wars? Is that the type of behavior we want occurring on our blog? What if someone didn’t mean to make a malicious edit and someone claims they did?
Like I said, I’m not necessarily against an edit button, but to say that it comes with absolutely zero issues is absurd.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So the edit button doesn’t actually help anything.
The eidt button would help a lot actually.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
*Oops
Well crap, I did it again. If only I could show how the edit button helps…
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
look, I get you’re trying to make a point and all, but stop this.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Feel free to hide the above comments, I was only trying to make a point.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
at least your’e not changing your point in the first place trying to make everyone else look like an idiot
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
it would help one set of problems and create another. The net effect might be a positive one. That was never my argument. I’ve stated numerous times I’m not against an edit button, I’m simply for honest debate. The edit button has it’s own set of issues, even if they are minor compared to the ones they fix. That has been my argument the whole time.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How exactly would the community chastise or "shun" a member? Wouldn’t that encourage big flame wars? Is that the type of behavior we want occurring on our blog? What if someone didn’t mean to make a malicious edit and someone claims they did?
The same way they deal with every other damn troll / newbie anyway.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Speaking of which...
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not that I’m calling you a troll or a newbie.
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 17, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Just think, wed have lost “I want to suck the f*cking quarterback!” forever.
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 17, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha. I had forgotten about that gem. Probably my favorite typo of all time.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
How could you forget that one? Freaking instant gold.
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 17, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I still expect great thib
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
How many classic memes would be lost forever if there were an edit button?
My thoughts exactly. Not only that, reading some of the repeat fails and edits can be quite entertaining unto itself – especially when pwndabear went on his recent streak.
I vote for an “Oh Shit” button.
When you click it, it automatically just appends the following qualifier to the end of your message:
“Sorry folks, got in a hurry and screwed this comment up. Please ignore all the spelling and grammer mistakes and any seemingly nonsensical statements contained therein.”
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 17, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
we should get to personalize our “oh shit” message in this utopia of which you speak.
The snozberries taste like snozberries!
I am against the Edit button!
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I can understand the memes being important to you, but I’m still in favor of an edit button.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I think revisionist history will actually be a problem. There have been several times where going back to look at what people have said has been crucial for me, and if they easily could have changed things it would have been bad.
Even with the edited by tag, they can still change/eliminate what they said.
Even with a 2-5minute limit, you lose memes.
If they are just typos, people can do the asterisk or we can all just not be stupid and figure out what they are trying to say. Unless it’s moon.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
You’ve actually presented a decent argument defending the “revisionist history” opinion, in that you’ve gone back in past threads. I’m not ready to buy that it’s “crucial” though. I still think it’s a non-issue, mostly in that, those doing it won’t last long here anyhow. Same way everyone else is dealt with.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Well it’s not up to us anyway. I am content to let SBN figure it out and I think the site is great as it is (not that there could never be improvements).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
SBN is definitely awesome. It’s superior format is part of what won me over. (Obviously, the primary thing was the DBN community specifically.) But an edit button is definitely a staple that’s a shame isn’t implemented, in my opinion.
However, the lack of it, doesn’t make the format bad by any means. Even with out it, still the best. Just, the simply addition would certainly make it better.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
it depends on where you are. my friend got pulled over in an area where there are never cops near the end of the month doing something the cops in that area will generally not pull you over. I believe there are some areas that may practice it.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
More like a take-what-you-need quota, as a reader.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Aug 17, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Dawgs By Nature – An Occasionally Cleveland Browns Blog – Where a Button Can Spark a 300 Comment Debate
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
by Dawg Nuts on Aug 17, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Is it self-imposed, or imposed by SBN? I think it just hurts the site. I mean, when you posted this, it had been less than three days since the last game, and it was already nigh-impossible to find any actual game coverage on the front page.
When the switch was made, the suggestion came up about expanding what your own front page shows. I did this with fanshots and fanposts as well. My front page is at 20 articles and my fanshots/posts is at 15.
cautiously realistic
by North Coast Flea on Aug 17, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
he served to reserve a roster spot in Cleveland. maybe he didn’t want to do the same in Washington.
by mooncamping on Aug 17, 2011 3:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
leave it to Moon to get us back on topic!Thanks Moon!
by ctowndawgpound on Aug 17, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I always liked davis, even when he busted that 81 yard scamper against the lions i wanted him to have that 3rd down back or change of pace back
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 17, 2011 11:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I was excited at the time with the battle between Davis and Jennings.
by ctowndawgpound on Aug 17, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Jenning was that hard hitting back I always thought we need in Cleveland! then we got Hillis and I haven’t thought of Jennings until today!
by ctowndawgpound on Aug 17, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Non-stop coverage of the team with the best fans in the NFL, the Cleveland Browns.
Related FanPosts on Dawgs By Nature
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
Follow DBN on Twitter
Browns Links
Local Media Sources
Official Browns Site
Orange and Brown Report
Cleveland Plain Dealer
Akron Beacon Journal
Browns Communities/Blogs
The Watercooler
Waiting for Next Year
Dawg Scooper
Dawg Talkers
Dawg Bones
The Browns Board
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
