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Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 4 - Hodges Out for Season

Injuries happen, but you really hate it when they take a player out for the entire season. Day 4 of training camp was an eventful one, but punter Reggie Hodges tore his Achilles' tendon near the end of practice when he was doing nothing more than going through his normal punting routine.

Hodges matured into one of the league's top punters last season, ironically taking over due to an injury to former punter Dave Zastudil. Maybe a new guy and come in and deliver, but consistency is the key. That's what Hodges brought to the table. Let's get to the rest of the Tuesday morning practice notes.

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TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 4 (8/2/11)

    Gedc0134_jpg_medium The day ended in disaster for punter Reggie Hodges (photo credit: National Football Authority, Daniel Wolf)
  1. New Holder Needed Too: Besides needing a new punter, someone needs to be the holder for Phil Dawson's field goals. Dawson has had his fair share of holders since coming to Cleveland and Ryan Pontbriand is a Pro Bowl snapper, but that's what UDFA signing Rob Lang of Syracuse will be expected to do.
     
  2. Skrine Showing Early Confidence: With the Browns appearing thin in terms of veteran talent at the cornerback position, rookie Buster Skrine is getting the opportunity to start on the second-team defense along with Coye Francies. Skrine has been getting credit in camp for his great speed, and Tuesday morning, he made one of the biggest plays of camp when he notched a pick six from quarterback Colt McCoy in 11-on-11 drills. When interviewed, Skrine told the media that he thinks he can be the team's starting nickel back if he keeps improving.
     
  3. Francies Stepping Up Too: If you've been a reader of this blog for awhile, then you'll know about the supposed obsession I used to have with former Browns running back Jerome Harrison. Another player I've really liked the past two years is cornerback Coye Francies. Daniel Wolf of National Football Authority had high praise for the aggressive defense Francies was playing, and says that while both Skrine and Francies were good, Francies looked better.
     
  4. There's a Reason You Don't Hear About: ...cornerback Joe Haden in most of these practice reports: he's blanketing his receivers so much that teams aren't throwing his direction or he is breaking up passes. It's not a coincidence that I rarely saw Haden thrown toward on Monday either. The Browns did add a low-level free agent cornerback today, but I wouldn't be upset if the Browns entered the year with the three cornerbacks mentioned above and Sheldon Brown.
     
  5. Norwood Making Other Receivers Sweat: The receiver who has been put into a surprise position this training camp is receiver Jordan Norwood, and I think it's time for guys like Carlton Mitchell and Johnathan Haggerty to start sweating. Norwood received a vote of approval from general manager Tom Heckert. When Heckert gave his approval to Jayme Mitchell, it [presumably] made him a starter without seeing any snaps. Norwood has been playing with the ones or as the slot receiver. Head coach Pat Shurmur commented on why Norwood has had a good camp so far: "He has come in with a firm foundation of the scheme and he’s quick, fast and knows how to separate."
     
  6. Williams With a Few More Grabs: After catching a deep ball from Colt McCoy on Monday, former Ravens receiver Demetrius Williams continues to catch everything thrown his way. Obviously there is still a lot of camp to go, but the one thing you have to like hearing about Williams, Norwood, and Haggerty is that they are hanging onto the ball. Those three guys might be our fastest receivers too, so it'll be interesting to see who the coaching staff favors in the West Coast Offense: the guys with size, or the guys with speed.
     
  7. Drops Start to Arrive: Compared to the first few days of practice, the dropped passes were up. Perhaps the most notable one involved rookie Greg Little, who dropped a easy one right in front of fans, according to Tony Grossi.
     
  8. Gedc0143_jpg_medium  Cornerback Joe Haden has been having tight coverage throughout camp so far. (photo credit: National Football Authority, Daniel Wolf)

  9. Two-Minute and Goal Line Drills: The Browns started working on their two-minute offense and goal line situations for the first time in camp. On one goal line drill, Seneca Wallace hit tight end Jordan Cameron for a touchdown (side note: yes, Cameron was back today after cramping up on Monday). Will we see the Browns put a lot of tight ends into the game down near the goal line for the double blocking and receiving threats? McCoy's interception to Skrine earlier came in the two-minute drill.
     
  10. Players Still Limited or Out: Running back Montario Hardesty suited up, but was still held out of team drills to avoid significant contact. They are taking it really easy with him. At some point you're going to have to let the guy get hit to see if he can handle it. Mohamed Massaquoi, Joshua Cribbs, Eric Steinbach, Ben Watson, and Sidney Tarver remained out. Defensive tackle Travis Ivey returned and was back on the field with the second-team defense. Defensive end Jabaal Sheard kept having some hamstring issues, so the team held him out most of practice.
     
  11. Other Interceptions: It was supposedly a bit of a frustrating day for McCoy. Besides the interception to Skrine (which Shurmur attributed to a miscommunication), McCoy threw an interception right at linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, according to Wolf. Third-string quarterback Jarrett Brown continues to display a cannon and have a grip on making the roster, but he was intercepted by defensive back DeAngelo Smith in 7-on-7 drills.
     
  12. Young Lineman Showing Off: I haven't heard much about Jason Pinkston this training camp yet, but the Nate Ulrich of the ABJ liked what he saw from another young offensive tackle: "Offensive lineman Branndon Braxton had a strong showing in one-on-one blocking drills. He stood his ground every time."
     
  13. Brownies: Rookie kicker Jeff Wolfert was hitting kicks pretty well from the 45-yard range...defensive end Jayme Mitchell will be No. 92 this season...Peyton Hillis was said to be looking like a "beast" in the goal line drills...tight end Alex Smith, who was on the roster last year, is not doing anything that would prevent him from making the roster...

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I love love love hearing about low draft picks and udfa’s doing awesome. Gonna hate hearing us cut quite a few of these high potential guys.

Also have a player crush on Francies. Was really glad when we snatched him back off the Ravens. I love finding low risk gold.

Classic mode button! =D

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 2, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Francies is awesome because he went to San Jose State.

My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.

by Brownie's Year on Aug 2, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

California State University system reppin (SFSU grad here) . ..

by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Aug 2, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Went to SFSU for a couple of semesters but graduated from OSU. Gotta say I hated SFSU. 30K students on a campus (and resources) for 7K. Props to you for getting through it.

by HenryDawg on Aug 2, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Met my wife in SF, love that city!

by athensdawg on Aug 3, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m stoked that Coye is back and super stoked for Buster Skrine

by HenryDawg on Aug 2, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

love love love hearing about low draft picks and udfa’s doing awesome

Yep. Its the ability to find those kind of guys that builds championship teams.

by johnnyphoenix on Aug 3, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, what’s Zastudil been up to these days?

My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.

by Brownie's Year on Aug 2, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Tweaking hamies and groins at tryouts.

Classic mode button! =D

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 2, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just when Hodges makes his way into being one of my favorite players…. I hate the preseason.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Aug 2, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

This almost certainly means that Reggie will have more time to tweet Bible quotes out. My advice don’t follow him on Twitter because you will just have to unfollow him later. I do hope he recovers and is back in the fold at 100% next season.

by BrownsFanRegina on Aug 3, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some people like that kind of thing, not that I’m one of them.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 3, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know that punters aren’t always tops on everyone must have list, but I am going to miss Hodges this season. If there is such a thing as an above average “athletic punter” he is it, as his great run against the Saints last year demonstrated. Could be missing out on one or two big plays this year because of this injury.

by BiggieBrown on Aug 2, 2011 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree – I really feel bad for him. That is one tough injury and possible career ender, and at least very doubtful for next year. He has his work cut out for him.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Aug 2, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rookie kicker Jeff Wolfert was hitting kicks pretty well from the 45-yard range…

cut him. Phil is dynamite from 55.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 2, 2011 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Not anymore. If Wolfert can kick consistently, and also kick the long ball, I’m all for him.

I guess there's only one thing left to do.....win the whole ******* thing. - Major League

by 24rubikscube on Aug 2, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont really need an extra kicker holding up roster spots when were so lacking in depth in so many other areas where we’re more likely to need it.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Aug 3, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not if we let Dawson go for him…

If he’s an option for the future, I’m alright with it. Dawson’s had a great run, right up with Groza in my book. I don’t know if he’s still one of the very best though.

I guess there's only one thing left to do.....win the whole ******* thing. - Major League

by 24rubikscube on Aug 3, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s only in to showcase for other teams as well as to help keep Phil fresh throughout the preseason. Maybe not so much because of the lockout, but it’s still the stratedgy that’s worked the past few seasons.

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by BrownDawg1409 on Aug 3, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

i used to respect you, rubiks. not anymore.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 3, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean I like Dawson. If he’s our guy this year, no complaints at all. But we could have had Cundiff still. Dawson’s got the record already for most FG’s made. I’m okay moving on if a great option presented itself.

I guess there's only one thing left to do.....win the whole ******* thing. - Major League

by 24rubikscube on Aug 3, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

(i’m aware i’ll sound like a douche bag here, but i can’t help it.)
so would you have been comfortable letting Jim Brown go the moment he got the team lead in rushing yards or Ozzie Newsome go when he got the team lead in receiving yards? these guys are legends and you don’t let legends go. Cundiff might be younger, but he’s certainly not as good of a kicker as Dawson is. you don’t see teams like New England simply letting Brady walk away after 3 Super Bowls or Indy letting Peyton Manning go after all his NFL records. have some respect fella.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 3, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don’t see teams like New England simply letting Brady walk away

No, but they let Seymour go. I would have no issue with letting Dawson go as long as his replacement was better.

Sounds cold, but this is the NFL.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 3, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seymour is really good, but he’s not a legend for that franchise as Brady or even Tedy Bruschi is. i know what you’re getting at, but at the same time allowing Dawson to walk away would just be plain stupid.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 4, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not if his replacement was better.

Do the Pats miss Vinatieri? Kickers don’t matter.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 4, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not if his replacement was better.

Do the Pats miss Vinatieri?Kickers don’t matter – on a team that is a lock for the playoffs every year.

Fixed
When you have a team like the Browns that seem to be allergic to the end zone kickers do very much matter.

cautiously realistic

by North Coast Flea on Aug 4, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could replace Dawson this season and not miss a beat.

In fact, if we could find a kicker that drills kick-offs (which maybe Dawson will can with the new rules), I would drop him.

I love Phil Dawson, but I also remember that he is a kicker.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 4, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cundiff might be younger, but he’s certainly not as good of a kicker as Dawson is.

I disagree.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 4, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

then we’ll agree to disagree. Dawson has only had one rough year as a kicker and that was only for the last half of the season a couple years ago due to injury. otherwise the guy is consistently clutch. why would you want to get rid of that?

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 4, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to get rid of him. I just don’t want to keep him simply because he’s been here a long time. He’s a kicker. He’s not that important. If the Browns think they have someone better, they should cut Dawson immediately.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 4, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

i understand where you’re both coming from here. you can’t hold onto a player forever just because you like him; if he is done, he’s straigh up done. you get rid of him. you’re right, this is the NFL—it happens.

however, i think most of us feel, myself included, that dawson is FAR from done for. In fact, I think he is one of the best out there still.

Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.

by pwndabear on Aug 4, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you. I’m in no hurry to get rid of the guy, I just won’t lose any sleep if they do.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 4, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just compared a kicker to Jim Brown. My brain hurts.

Resident Tim Couch Apologist.

by Dawg Nuts on Aug 4, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lou Groza was a kicker.

cautiously realistic

by North Coast Flea on Aug 4, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and he was absolutely phenomenal; but he was also an All-Pro offensive tackle. Maybe if Dawson starts playing on the OL he’d have more value to the team…

Seriously, I love Phil Dawson, my only point was that you can’t really compare him to the greatest RB of all time. At all.

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by Dawg Nuts on Aug 4, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

well hold on, how good was Jim Brown at kicking? huh? think of it like that and you really can’t compare ANY RB to Groza.

Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.

by pwndabear on Aug 4, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously man? PHIL. DAWSON.

Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.

by pwndabear on Aug 3, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was done with Phil a few years ago.

My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.

by Brownie's Year on Aug 3, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Be careful for what you wish for on Francies. The fact of the matter is he could not beat out Wright and has zero live NFL experience. It is very likely he is a full notch behind Wright, and will be an automatic first down ala Terry Cousins.

Really happy to hear about Norwood and Haggerty. We really need a slot guy ala Amendola. (notice the deft use of 2 "ala"s). I am sort of down on Robo and MoMass for two reasons. The first, I think they are the worst starting WRs in the league. Second, I don’t think they are a good fit for WCO. Not really YAC guys. More physical than quick. Better fit for whatever Mangini and Daboll were trying to do. We need Haggerty or Norwood.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Aug 2, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Little and washington start norwood slot, haggerty gets ball some time, robo back up and momass cut, yea buddy!

by lightninmcqueen on Aug 2, 2011 11:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Many WCO teams prefer big WRs. Recently the trend has been back toward smaller quicker guys (GB, Philly). Callahan, Holmgren, I think Gruden, definitely other WCO guys like the big, physical WRs.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 2, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well desean is a decent size i would say, but he is crazy fast

by lightninmcqueen on Aug 2, 2011 11:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He isn’t exceptionally short, but he’s very skinny and not very physical.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 2, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem is I was being a little kind when I said they were physical. They do have size. I bet you a sasparilla that Haden could lock on to Robo inside shoulder and just disrupt the timing on almost every play. MoMass seems a little more physical to me. Really hoping that 1 of those 2 is not in the top 3 WRs this year. I think Cribbs has some real upside in the WCO.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Aug 3, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe haden can shut a lot of guys down.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 3, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

From reports (and tweets, etc.) I’ve been hearing from training camp, Haden is / was ready to start, like yesterday.
Blanketing anyone and anything that comes into his general vicinity. Seems like he could be shaping up to be one of the best shut down corners in the league. Can’t wait to see him in action when the games begin.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 3, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i saw him on the Training Camp Daily show on STO a couple nights ago and he was talking about how he’s been keeping guys under control except for Little who’s been a little difficult since he’s a bigger WR it’s hard for Haden to be as physical. and he expects double digit interceptions this season, but was too humble to throw out a solid number.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 3, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of CB’s are going to struggle with Little.

The fact that one of the NFL’s young best CB’s is struggling with him is exciting to me.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 3, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Little is very strong for a WR.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 4, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Francies never really had direct competition with Wright, who was thought to be the No. 1 cornerback the previous two years. I’m not saying he’s as good as Wright was at his best, but he seems to play a much more aggressive and physical game. I don’t see how anything, good or bad, is ‘very likely’ when it comes to Francies, especially a comparison to Cousins.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 2, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Francies is definitely faster at the very least.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 2, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Faster? Coye runs a 4.6 electronic and Eric runs a 4.3 electronic lets be serious here. Only reason Eric had the problems he had last year was because of a bummed up knee and lost of confidence.

by Slim989 on Aug 3, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he meant compared to Cousins…

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by Gabe Durrant on Aug 3, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that anyone couldn’t beat out another player in the last regime means nothing to me. I am firmly convinced that our former coach had it out for many players with potential that he didn’t care for. Flame away if you must but I’m not the only person who thinks this.

by HenryDawg on Aug 2, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, i think mangini had favorites he knew he would start, without giving anyone the shot to compete and win their position… Shurmer i think is a lot better for the team hes hard when he needs to be and soft when he wants

by lightninmcqueen on Aug 2, 2011 11:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

A lot of people thinking it doesn’t make it true. What evidence do you have of this? What sane NFL coach would ever okay anyone other than who he thought gave him the best chance to win? He may have sat guys that should have been playing, but it was almost assuredly a talent evaluation error rather than him having it out for certain players.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 3, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

He admited the guys who practice well play. Some guys aren’t great in practice but turn it on on Gameday. That’s just one example. I mean teachers play favorites all the time. They should be above it, but they’re not.

by HenryDawg on Aug 3, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how letting guys who do well in practice play over guys who don’t is “playing favorites.”

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 3, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything to disparage Mangini.

(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)

by North Coast Flea on Aug 3, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guilty as charged. The guy was a wanna-be Bellichick. That is just pathetic.

by HenryDawg on Aug 3, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know right, how pathetic is it to want to emulate one of the best coaches of the last decade.

(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)

by North Coast Flea on Aug 3, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially when you can’t pull it off.

by HenryDawg on Aug 3, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have him emulate and try to be Belichick than try to be Butch Davis.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Aug 3, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

any coach in the world trying to emulate Butch Davis isn’t coaching in the NFL. the point of it all is that coaches out to just coach to who they are, not who they want to be. players see through that crap. what i like about Shurmur thus far is that he seems to just want to be himself which the players will respect more. now, he better be productive in the next 2-3 years otherwise we’ll be seeing another rebuild. lets all hope he’s the one.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 3, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ought* not out

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 3, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats my point, if he is emulating someone at least emulate belichick. If I had to have a top 5 list of coaches I would want my HC to be like, he would probably make the list (but would be behin Paul Brown, Lombardi, Landry, and possibly Walsh)

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Aug 4, 2011 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s better to aim high, what’s really pathetic is to settle for mediocrity.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 4, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

and Hillis couldn’t beat out Hardesty but its whatever. Hopefully things work out. Dreaming cant hurt.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Aug 3, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

wright was actually quite a good nickel back this year. you never heard his name called after the Jets game, which is a good thing. He is nowhere near terry cousins and could be close to as good as Wright which would mean he is an acceptable nickel.

you don’t specifically need quick YAC guys in a WCO. you need guys who can catch and run good routes, that is the most vital thing and Robi can do both and momass can sometimes do both

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Aug 3, 2011 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Wright is a good corner. Any team that has him at nickel better have two damn good CB’s ahead of him.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 3, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well since other players are wearing their numbers…looks like vickers roth and robaire smith are gone…

by lightninmcqueen on Aug 3, 2011 12:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Well since other players are wearing their numbers…looks like vickers roth and robaire smith are gone…

by lightninmcqueen on Aug 3, 2011 12:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Double post fail

by lightninmcqueen on Aug 3, 2011 12:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Internet speed fail.

My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.

by Brownie's Year on Aug 3, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

isn’t that a given?

Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.

by pwndabear on Aug 3, 2011 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

A bit of news from last night:
Browns Invite Former Syracuse Punter Rob Long In For Workout

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 3, 2011 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Third-string quarterback Jarrett Brown continues to display a cannon and have a grip on making the roster, but he was intercepted by defensive back DeAngelo Smith in 7-on-7 drills.

Brown has always had a cannon, its the control he needs more work on. Guy can flick his wrist and throw the ball 50yds with no effort. If he can get his accuracy down, he could be a factor in this league.

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden

by Kimble_79 on Aug 3, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

he could be a random QB threat if we ever want to throw a bomb or fake throwing a bomb.

Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.

by pwndabear on Aug 3, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly why i like having him on the roster.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 3, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wolf (twitter) has been raving about Brown from training camp. Sounds like the guy has one hell of an arm.
I think this is probably good for McCoy and Wallace too – I think both will thrive off of the competition. If McCoy turns out to be good, we could be in really greate shape QB depth-wise. Also, frankly I think Wallace could easily be the starter this season with his apparent grasp of the WCO – been hearing some good things about his performance from training camp tweets as well.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 3, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dawgs By Nature – Where Seneca Wallace, apparently, ‘did some good things’.

(If all the nachos are stuck together, it only counts as one nacho.)

by North Coast Flea on Aug 3, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Here is his senior highlight reel.

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden

by Kimble_79 on Aug 3, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow – nice. This dude REALLY reminds me of watching Vince Young in college.

BTW, I still believe VY will have a big career if and when he can ever get his head on straight. Most people don’t realize just how good VY is with his arm (in addition to his legendary scrambling abilities).

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 3, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brown just lacked that “clutch performer” feel that VY had in college. He made me quite nervous when he would drop back to pass when we would need it the most. Plus he was injured often, but I’m sure much of that is due to the fact we had him running the ball quite often on zone reads.

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden

by Kimble_79 on Aug 3, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Admitted Longhorns homer that I am, VY was the most clutch QB I’ve ever seen play in college. He could do it all.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 3, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colt had a better record….

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 3, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, McCoy definitely re-wrote the record books.
That said… nothing against McCoy, but I watched both of them throughout their careers, and VY’s senior year was probably the greatest season performance I’ve ever seen by any college quarterback. Ever.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 3, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

His championship game over USC was by far the best “MVP” performance I have ever watched.

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden

by Kimble_79 on Aug 4, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved VY even though he (barely) beat my Buckeyes. You are correct to say that if he could just get his head straight he will be great. This relies a lot on the organization he’s in and Philly (read: Andy Reid) is a great place for him to be.

by HenryDawg on Aug 3, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do realize he could be an elite player, but you hit it on the head (no pun intended) when you talked about his mental issues.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Aug 3, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, that’s the only thing holding him back. I said it in another thread – strange as it sounds I think Vick could end up being just the mentor VY needs. The bottom line is VY is in dire need of a long steady diet of humble pie. He’s always been a hard worker, but he has to grow up and somehow lose the Prima Donna complex or he may never make it as a starting QB.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 3, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is a lot of QBs have what it takes to be elite (physically). Putting it all together in the NFL means a LOT of things have to go right for a guy and he has to be damn near flawless in a LOT of ways. The things you mention are reasons why not a lot of guys make it to that level.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 4, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

legendary? Vince Young might have a lot of potential but he’s far from being legendary at anything aside from being a legendary jackass.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 3, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean besides the fact that he’s a legendary college QB, right?

by C.b.I on Aug 3, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vince Young, definitely a legendary college quarterback.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Aug 3, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh, there’s been better.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 4, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

meh

I know many people hate Vince Young (obviously you fall into this group) for various reasons. I don’t necessarily blame you because Young has definitely acted immature and like an arrogant Prima Donna at times.

But to dismiss what he did in college with “meh” is pretty silly – your hatred is clearly distorting your assessment in this regard. I believe very few people would disagree that Legendary is definitely an appropriate word to use for Vince Young as a college quarterback, especially what he did in his senior year. He led (in every sense of the word) the Longhorns to a national championship title, ultimately defeating USC who at the time were one of the most dominant college programs in many years and thought to be unbeatable at the time. Young took the team on his back and won that game pretty much single handedly.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 4, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was a completely neutral observer, and his performance in the national championship game was one of the best single-game, big-game performances I’ve ever seen.

Resident Tim Couch Apologist.

by Dawg Nuts on Aug 4, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t agree more and I think VY is a douche.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 4, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He started out just an over confident, immature, arrogant kid. Fast forward 5 years of playing for a team owned by a lunatic who relentlessly fed his ego and force fed him down the throat of a coach who never wanted him. In five years VY’s head has continued to travel up his ass to the point where he became an out of control cry baby Prima Donna. Only because I am a Longhorns homer do I still have any empathy for the guy – and I don’t know if he can ever get his head out of his ass. It is going to be a tall order for Andy Reid and company to put his head back on straight.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 4, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

a coach who never wanted him.

Biggest problem right there. Sucks playing/working for people who don’t even want you there.

by HenryDawg on Aug 5, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tennessee was the worst possible place for VY to be developed. He was very immature and over confident coming into the NFL. Unfortunately, he needed someone to mentor him and not just coach him. Fischer wanted no part of him, much less to be his mentor. And I don’t necessarily blame Fischer, I like Fischer and think he’s a good coach. It was just a bad marriage, and someone should have made a clean break long ago. The problem was the owner. Bud Adams wouldn’t let Fischer make a change at QB. I don’t know why Fischer didn’t just walk away from that situation a long time ago. It was a meltdown waiting to happen.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 5, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

there’s been better.

Obviously. No one is saying VY is the best college QB ever.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Aug 4, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am totally fine with Seneca as the #2.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 3, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wallace could easily be the starter this season with his apparent grasp of the WCO

Maybe. If he gets a grasp of where the LoS is.

"... you slay the chicken and you crack the egg ..." - Moon

by JustBob on Aug 4, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

And where the sideline is.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 4, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this year is anything like last year we’ll be seeing him. We definitely need to keep a QB on the practice squad because last year we needed 4

by HenryDawg on Aug 3, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this year is anything like last like every other year, we’ll be seeing him.

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by 24rubikscube on Aug 3, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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