Pass Rush Gets to Michael Vick in Browns' 24-14 Loss to Eagles
The third preseason game is supposed to be the "dress rehearsal" for the regular season. Unfortunately, the Cleveland Browns weren't able to get an accurate evaluation of their team for several reasons. For one, blunders on special teams helped stall drives despite some nice defensive efforts. The rainy weather in Philadelphia seemed to alter performances a bit, and I'm assuming that prevented the starters from coming out after halftime. Last, there are a lot of injuries on both sides of the ball that put a lot of guys in there who might not be playing on opening day.
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PRESEASON GAME 3 - CLEVELAND BROWNS VS. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES (COMPLETE GAME REVIEW)
- Goat of the Game: CB Sheldon Brown - One played immediately came to mind for this category during the game, and that was Brown. On the Eagles' first punt of the game, Jordan Norwood waved for a fair catch and prepared to catch the ball. Brown, who typically doesn't play on special teams, had his leg accidentally clip Norwood's, causing him to fall. The ball then fell on Norwood and went free, allowing the Eagles to recover the muff. Not only did it give the Eagles an easy touchdown a few plays later, it injured Norwood a little bit.
- Awarding Game Balls: DT Phil Taylor - This was Taylor's breakout performance of the preseason, and he showed some dominance that we can only hope he's able to bring regularly during the season. He bulldozed right into Michael Vick early in the game and planted him, forcing a fumble that was recovered by defensive end Jayme Mitchell. Taylor pressured Vick throughout the game and had an impact at breaking up a few run plays too.
- Hillis Gets it Done: I saw some complaints on the Internet about running back Peyton Hillis having too few carries (he finished with three carries and two receptions). That wasn't so much of a big deal to me, especially when you consider the situations the team was in due to penalties, and the one drive that they decided to work backup Montario Hardesty into the rotation. Hillis will get his carries in the regular season. As fun as he is to watch, I'd rather see McCoy work on getting the passing game going and save Hillis' energy for when it counts. We're already down Brandon Jackson, and Hillis was a little dinged up last week.
- The Difference a Few Calls Make: This was not Colt McCoy's best game, that's for sure. There were a couple of overthrows, and this was really the first week where he didn't sense that his receivers were open down the field. When he did find them in good positions three times, the results were an incomplete pass off of Peyton Hillis in the end zone, a dropped pass right at Evan Moore's hip that could've gone for a touchdown, and offensive pass interference call on a deep diving catch by Brian Robiskie. If you flip those three plays around -- all of which were good throws -- McCoy's day seems much better. McCoy seems like a smart quarterback, so when he looks at the tape, I think he'll be kicking himself at how many things he missed underneath that could've made the Eagles pay in the second quarter.
- Robiskie Gets Involved: After a couple of incompletions to other guys, I liked how McCoy was able to find wide receiver Brian Robiskie for a stretch as a safety valve. That continues telling me that even if the two don't hook up for awhile, it doesn't mean the pair doesn't work well together. Robiskie did push off on his reception down the field and I don't fault the officials for calling it, but I still like the play and the effort in general.
- Jackson and Fujita: I really like what I've seen from D'Qwell Jackson and his aggressiveness as he makes plays behind the line of scrimmage, and his hit on Michael Vick was picture perfect. The flag was bogus, and the officials basically admitted as much. The other player who makes a big difference is Scott Fujita. As much as Jackson can step into a leadership role as the middle linebacker, Fujita is the savvy veteran everyone can rely on to call out adjustments and be in the right spot at the right time. Kaluka Maiava has looked much improved at outside linebacker too, and it wouldn't surprise me if he and Chris Gocong see equal playing time to start off the year.
- Safeties Look Impressive: I'm just in awe at the pure talent that Ray Ventrone brings at the safety position. Seriously, this whole preseason has been a waste when it comes to getting our top safeties some work. The three guys I wanted to see were T.J. Ward, Usama Young, and Eric Hagg, and none of them have been in there. I think that has hurt the Browns more in run defense than it has in pass defense though.
- Dockery Not a Playmaker on Kickoffs: Every time I have seen cornerback James Dockery field kickoffs or punts, the same thing comes to mind: this guy is not used to finding the holes when he is returning the ball. It shouldn't be a big issues since Joshua Cribbs will always handle these duties during the regular season. When it comes to coverage on defense though, I like what Dockery has been doing in coverage. He also led the team with two special teams tackles against the Eagles.
- Where Does Cameron Fit? I keep wondering to myself, where does tight end Jordan Cameron fit into this offense? The fourth-round pick will not see action ahead of Ben Watson and Evan Moore. The team could use some three tight end sets, but I'm not so convinced that Alex Smith won't be that third tight end. If I had to guess, Cameron will be inactive on game day. He had a nice catch late in the game against the Eagles though, and I hope he sees the bulk of the reps at tight end next week against Chicago.
- McGee Steps it Up: Despite the weather conditions the way they were, it was good to see punter Richmond McGee finish the day with a net average of 43.6 yards on five punts. He also had one punt downed inside the 20 and no touchbacks. There was a field goal blocked while he was the holder, but that really didn't seem to have anything to do with him, unless there is a snap count I'm unaware of that he could have clued the defenders in on.
- Confidence in the Pocket: I was waiting to see third-string quarterback Jarrett Brown be more confident and stay in the pocket, and he did more of that against the Eagles. He did make a "mortal sin" (per Bernie Kosar) when he ran out of bounds for a big loss instead of throwing the ball away, but he ended up rebounding with a strong throw to Rod Windsor and a scramble a little bit later. He capped off the drive with a four-yard touchdown pass to receiver Chris Matthews, although I didn't particularly like the placement of the throw.
- Containing Vick: There were definitely some issues when it came to containing Michael Vick, but we don't face very many mobile quarterbacks until late in the season. They still need to have some of their front seven be more aware that they can't sell out for the pass rush and let the quarterback have a free rush up the middle. Vick and Vince Young were able to scramble for two touchdowns.
- Special Teams Tackles: There were six special teams tackles by the Browns, with two of them going to James Dockery. The other four went to Ray Ventrone, Brian Smith, Jordan Cameron, and Alex Smith. I still haven't seen any "studs" on special teams, although Ventrone looks the most consistent when it comes to production. I hope we make Joshua Cribbs a gunner again.
- Too Positive? If you've read everything above, it probably doesn't sound like the Browns did too bad. It's clear that the special teams blunders and penalties were a big-time killer that led to easy Eagles touchdowns and prevented the offense from establishing the run or getting their normal personnel in the game to help move the chains. McCoy lost it for a stretch and didn't know where to go with the football, and the offensive line seemed to break down as well. It's the preseason though; not everyone is going to light it up, as much as we'd like to see Cleveland do well each time they are out there.
- Brownies: We still haven't seen Greg Little flat out drop a pass, although he did juggle one early...running back Quinn Porter seemed to have some nice shifty moves as he got some reps after Armond Smith fumbles (but recovered) the ball...did you know DeAngelo Smith led the Browns with four tackles?...after failing to contain Vince Young on one play, Auston English came in and drilled him for a sack+fumble that was recovered by defensive tackle Travis Ivey...the Browns finished the game 4-of-12 on third downs, and lost the time of possession battle by more than ten minutes.
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Unfortunately, the Cleveland Browns weren’t able to get an accurate evaluation of their team for several reasons. For one, blunders on special teams helped stall drives despite some nice defensive efforts. The rainy weather in Philadelphia seemed to alter performances a bit, and I’m assuming that prevented the starters from coming out after halftime.
That was an accurate evaluation. Our special teams have sucked. If they continue to suck like that in the regular season, the offense and defense will be under the same constraints and pressure. Philly played in the same weather and performed better. No need for excuses as a team we looked bad. Now obviously this doesn’t mean that we will be bad, but we can blame football for our inability to play football. The other team isn’t going to sit and allow us to evaluate ourselves against no competition nor adversity and that wouldn’t be an accurate evaluation anyway.
Mangini apologist by default.
I was referring mostly to “a game under normal weather conditions for more than two quarters.” I really don’t care how well Philadelphia compared in the conditions.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t it start raining badly after halftime? We lost out on what? One quarter of evaluation? It’s not about how well Philadelphia compared it’s about both teams play under the same conditions.
There’s no handicap in the NFL. The weather, etc. just seems like a convenient excusing of our shortcomings. We had pretty good weather against Detroit.
Mangini apologist by default.
It started raining (heavy downpour) about halfway through our 2 minute drive nearing the end of the first half.
I think there’s a chance we might have been able to score on the drive if it hadn’t.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Would that two minute drive have changed your evaluation of the team? Do you think we would have scored considering how we had been playing up to that point?
Not being sarcastic. But that’s my point in that I don’t think that would have changed the overall evaluation. It would have been nice to have, but we had already been playing poorly.
Mangini apologist by default.
I think the offense had finally managed to put together some momentum on that drive. Overall evaluation? Yeah, I think most everyone would have a slightly different take on the overall performance if they would have scored. Not a dramatic difference necessarily, but there is no question the assessments would probably have been a bit a tad bit more upbeat. I also think it would perhaps have been helpful for the morale of the team as well – i.e. a bit of a confidence booster going into the next practice.
My personal evaluation? I’ve already said it – the offense put up a lousy performance and Colt had a bad night. And – as you said, “it would have been nice”, but not a big difference.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 28, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t think anyone should be judging the offense based on that night. Shurmur has already admitted he wouldn’t call that sort of game in the regular season. Rufio has made several posts about how their deep coverage could be exposed by runs and underneath passes. Shurmur was just pushing the issue in a meaningless pre-season game.
I’m just rewatching the game. I actually think that, aside from an overthrow that ended the first series, the QB play was very solid in the first quarter. Evan Moore dropping the deep throw and the OPI on Robiskie for the 50 yard bomb (which was a sweet throw, BTW) gave you no points to show for it. I don’t think the Hillis TD that he dropped was easily catchable, it looked like the guy got a hand on it.
But the QB play was good in the first quarter. Lots of drops.
The Eagles did a good job defensively too. Got to give them credit where credit is due.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yeah for sure. I’m just saying that I think the QB play overall was average, not terrible. The poor mistakes definitely cost us (should have seen the safety looking to jump on the route), but conversely we didn’t get much to show from the good mistakes. He took some decent shots down the field. Penalties killed the offense more than bad QB play, although there is a lot Colt could have done better.
McCoy seems like a smart quarterback, so when he looks at the tape, I think he’ll be kicking himself at how many things he missed underneath that could’ve made the Eagles pay in the second quarter.
I’m hoping the imperative was to focus on throwing the ball downfield. Because if not we’re going to be in trouble if our passing offense is unable to use the entire field.
I keep wondering to myself, where does tight end Jordan Cameron fit into this offense?
I see Cameron as a home run at being Watson’s eventual replacement.
He did make a “Wallacemortal sin” (per Back up QBs that suck for 1000, Alex. Answer is…a Daily Doubleper Bernie Kosar) when he ran out of bounds for a big loss instead of throwing the ball away,
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m hoping the imperative was to focus on throwing the ball downfield. Because if not we’re going to be in trouble if our passing offense is unable to use the entire field.
I don’t think you’ll ever worry about Colt missing the short to intermediate throws.
I’m happy with him forcing downfield throws during preseason. More reps taking downfield shots at full speed is a good thing; he didn’t get hardly any of that at Texas (or last year).
Everyone is looking for the big “wow” throw; IMO the team is focused on showing defenses that they will have to cover the entire field.
Colt was definitely staying with his down-field read too much at times. When Philly is dropping guys into coverage like they were, we’ve got to get it to Peyton underneath and let him run over someone.
Other times there were short passes called against defenses that didn’t give us a good chance to complete a short pass. It’s not Colt’s focus on the short stuff after the snap that is the problem there, but needing to check to a different play before the snap, IMO.
We went deep, and we went underneath, but we too infrequently stretching the field in the best way against the defense that Philly was in.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I guess I’m wondering if we’re at the point with our familiarity with the offense that we’re/they’re able to see all aspects of the passing game. Or is it here’s a deep play read the defense deep instead of we want to go deep here, but check the defense see what they are showing us, snap the ball quick assessment to see if your read was correct, throw the ball/check down.
Obviously I’m no QB or football guru, but I hope that amateur description makes sense and explains my point.
Mangini apologist by default.
Not especially clear for me, but I think I might know what you are getting at.
For most of our plays, there will be at least one receiver going on a deeper route: he will get to 12-15 yards and break in some direction, or keep going deep on a go/fade.
However, a lot of the time that deep route won’t really be a part of Colt’s post-snap progression. He’ll look at the matchup on the deep route: Evan Moore on a fade against a 5’9" CB? He might try to throw it. Same with Watson and an especially slow LB, etc.
I don’t know how we will do it, but a lot of times these routes are “alerts” (i.e. where you see the QB turn either way and yell “alert! alert!”) to let the guy know the ball might be coming. Sometimes there is a hand signal the QB will give the receiver, sometimes it’s silent. However we do it, those plays are usually “go to the short combination unless _”
In any event, some of our pass concepts are pure underneath stretches. These won’t have a guy going deep at all. Against Cover-2, those kinds of concepts are pretty tough to run: the offense can’t create any overloads. In this type of play, Colt needs to get the defense to show it’s hand and check out of the play if they are running C2, which is weak in other areas.
Other plays are designed in the opposite way. They primarily want to stretch the deep defenders and put them in a bind (one guy can’t guard two guys, two guys can’t guard three, etc.) In these concepts there are always one or two outlet receivers, and if the CBs and safeties all sink to cover the deep stuff, you have to check down quickly so your guy can get yards before they come up to cover the check down. These vertical concepts are better against certain coverages, just like the purely short ones.
I do not know if Colt has the freedom to check out of plays at the line based on what he sees. He will need to earn that freedom and to use it wisely if he has not already because there are a limited amount of concepts that have (good) answers for everything. With the vast majority of our plays, there will be a deep-to-short read, and with some there will be a short-to-deep read. A very, very small percentage of our plays will be quicks based off of the defense’s alignment (almost like that run/pass option I talked about) and won’t have any post-snap reading.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’m pretty sure in a real game we would have been running all over them. The running game is probably more of a known quantity. Shurmur is testing the throwing game.
I agree. Hillis averaged 5.4 yards per carry on his 3 runs. I think we wanted to 1) start getting Hardesty some playing time and 2) Shurmur is still adding to the WCO playbook and still experimenting / trying different route schemes, etc.
The only thing I don’t understand is it seems like Moore was used very sparingly. Seems like that one pass to Hillis in the corner of the end zone… Moore runs that play and its probably a TD. Maybe we were limiting him because of the concussion?…
Here’s a recap of the first half.
1st drive:
Pass short left to Little pushed ob at CLV 28 for 3 yards.
** Hillis up the middle to CLV 36 for 8 yards.
Incomplete pass short right to Little.
McCoy scrambles right end for 4 yards.
Pass incomplete short left to Norwood / (3 and out / Punt)
Second drive:
McCoy sacked (penalty on Pinkston, Offensive Holding, declined).
** Hillis left end for 8 yards.
Pass incomplete short right to Hillis / (Dawson / blocked field goal)
3rd drive:
Hardesty gets five carries for a total of fifteen yards (0 yds, 5 yds, 4 yds, 3 yds, 3 yds) before Samuel’s interception.
(No carries by Hillis)
4th drive:
McCoy pass incomplete short right to Watson.
** Hillis up the middle to for 2 yards.
McCoy pass to Robiskie for 5 yards / (3 and out / Punt)
5th drive:
Deep pass to Watson (PI call…)
Pass to Watson / Sack / Pass to Little / (3 and out / Punt)
6th drive (final drive of half):
Pass to Robo / holding on Pashos.
Pass to Hillis for 13 yards.
Incomplete Pass to Hillis.
Pass to Little for 7 yards.
Pass to Hillis for 22 yards.
(Browns are now in Eagles territory with about 35 seconds left)
** Heavy downpour begins
Incomplete Pass to Watson / Sack / Incomplete Pass to Robo / Punt
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we were limiting him because of the concussion?…
I would hope so. It’s still just a meaningless practice game.
meaningless practice game
I know there is a general sentiment that “preseason games are meaningless” and this is echoed by you and many others (I’ve also said as much in some of my comments). But lets be realistic here. Is the final score meaningless? Yes. But the performance of individual players and overall performance of the team is certainly not meaningless. Roster cuts are based partly on individual performances in these games. Analysis of how the offensive schemes work or don’t work against (secondaries like Philly and defensive lines like Detroit’s etc.), and analysis of how our defense / defensive schemes are working / not working against (…) are critical going into practices and going into the regular season.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 28, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think his point is (if I may be so bold as to speak for someone else) that you don’t risk further injuring a player for a game that doesn’t count toward’s the season’s bottom line. And it’s not as if Moore is on the roster bubble. He will be on the 53-man roster and letting him sit that one out gave some of the prospects more playing time.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
you don’t risk further injuring a player…
Yes I certainly agree with this and the implications for Moore. I definitely have no problem with them protecting Moore.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 28, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You are completely free to speak for me but only if you refer to yourself as BobDawg from now on.
by HenryDawg on Aug 28, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe give him a few options – “BobDawg”, “HenryBob” or “JustHenry”.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 29, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
HenryBob being preferable.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 29, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Phil taylor and jaball sheard this year= joe haden and tj ward last year.
by lightninmcqueen on Aug 28, 2011 4:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Chris, I think your comment about Colt here:
I think he’ll be kicking himself at how many things he missed underneath that could’ve made the Eagles pay in the second quarter.
is countered by something Shurmur said in the press conference:
Believe me, there’s reason for doing what I’m doing.
I think his comment was in response to a question about the running game specifically, but it could explain some of the passing game decisions as well (and was mentioned as a likely strategy by a couple of folks on this site in one of the post game threads.)
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
It sounded like he is passing the ball way more now that he would be in the regular season. He’s trying to establish the passing game, get real-game reps, and have Colt and the 1’s see a lot of things on the field.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Jarrett Brown … ran out of bounds for a big loss instead of throwing the ball away
Where on Earth did he pick up that bad habit?
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
by JustBob on Aug 28, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Come on Fellas
I read some of these comments and it’s pure panic. Hillis rushed like a mad man when he got the ball, and if that would’ve been regular season, they would have ran the ball more. Also if you think about it. The defense only gave up one touchdown themselves. Being the 13 yard run. Also think about all the starters out. Cribbs, ward, steinbach,Jackson,massaqui,Mitchell,gocong, and young. Add them in and I doubt cribbs fumbles either punt. Which lowers the score for the eagles. The browns will be a good team this year. No one need to panic
by ClevelandKid40 on Aug 28, 2011 9:33 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Holy sentence fragments Batman!
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 29, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The browns will be a good team this year. No one need to panic
We’ve been bad for awhile. I don’t think a critical assessment equates to panic.
Mangini apologist by default.
Positivity= a happy fan base lol
by ClevelandKid40 on Aug 29, 2011 4:23 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Winning = a happy fan base.
Warm fuzzy platitudes do nothing for me. Not referring to your comment by the way, just making a general statement.
Mangini apologist by default.
Warm fuzzy platitudes do nothing for me
I expect great thib.
C’mon now, don’t tell me this doesn’t get you stoked and want to paint your face and chest orange with a brown stripe from your forehead down to your belly button! Get fired up man! We’re gonna win 10 games this year dammit!
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 30, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions

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