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Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 6 - CBA Ratified

If you're wondering why there was not a "Day 5" training camp report, I am counting the off day Wednesday as the fifth day of training camp. The team did accomplish some necessary things Wednesday too -- they held tryouts and signed a new punter, and they got first-round pick Phil Taylor up to speed on some things.

Since Thursday's session was moved to 4:10 PM, I was able to head out to Berea to witness the action in person. After the jump are my news and notes from the day, along with some of what the local media had to add.

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TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 6 (8/4/11)

    Gedc0222_jpg_medium  Colt McCoy and the offense get ready to run a play, but the session was not done in full pads. (photo credit: National Football Authority, Daniel Wolf)
  1. Better Prepared: When I went to my first training camp session on Monday, I didn't know what field the players would be on. I quickly learned that it was obvious to figure out where the players would be -- just look for the field that has the three high-rising machines with a cameraman on top. That's what I did, and even though I was sitting in the scorching hot sun for about 40 minutes before practice started, it was a lot funner to see the players in action up close.
     
  2. Win Some, Lose Some: In exchange for seeing the players up close on the field, I was a bit disappointed to see everyone come out without pads on, meaning the session was changed to a helmets-only practice. Bummer.
     
  3. Awaiting the CBA Ratification: As practice was getting ready to start, I was wondering where the players who were eligible to play on August 4 were. That was the purpose of moving the practice to 4:10 pm, but I really couldn't pick them out in the crowd. Then, I wondered if the team was waiting just to make sure they could practice, and it turns out that they were. According to reports, once the team got confirmation that the CBA was officially ratified (it's a done deal!), the players started getting into drills.
     
  4. You Don't Pass on Joe Haden: Do you know how we idolize Joe Thomas on offense? For a moment, let's ignore the fact that our receivers aren't considered a threatening group. We're going to start idolizing Joe Haden too because of how dominant he is. In one-on-one drills, he had his receiver blanketed every time. He's so far ahead of the other defensive backs, it's not even close. Sheldon Brown is going to be seeing a lot of action his way, so let's hope another year in the league hasn't slowed him down too much.
     
  5. Zebras on the Field: I'm guessing this was the first time that NFL officials were at camp this season. It was beneficial having the officials there to rule passes near the corner of the end zone as complete or incomplete, and I'm sure they brought the players up to speed with the new rules. Haden ended up chatting with one of the officials on the sideline for a little bit when he wasn't involved in a drill.
     
  6. Get Out of My Way: I watched a bunch of our receivers run routes, catch passes, etc. for almost an hour. Then, out of no where, I see this huge white guy line up as a receiver, grabbing my attention immediately. It was Evan Moore, who had just got in after the CBA was ratified. He made an immediate impact, and it seemed like the passing game revolved around him (with success) when he entered the game. He is taller than I expected, especially when he goes out and lines up on a defensive back.
     
  7. Gedc0191_jpg_medium   Cornerback Buster Skrine had a rough day against Cleveland's bigger receivers. (photo credit: National Football Authority, Daniel Wolf)

  8. Play of the Day: My favorite play? It involved Evan Moore. On a pass from Seneca Wallace in the corner of the end zone, Moore made a one-handed catch as he was going to the ground, beating cornerback Buster Skrine on the play.
     
  9. Skrine Getting Picked On: I'm not looking to trash the rookie, but this was the practice that Buster Skrine was picked on it seemed. I loved seeing receiver Carlton Mitchell get physical in an early one-on-one drill, as he made his defensive back stumble upon contact and broke wide open (~15 yards separation). Then, there was the aforementioned play to Moore, among others in which receivers used their size to get the upper hand on him.
     
    I'm sure he'll have better days ahead of him, perhaps when he's allowed to be more aggressive with pads on. That's one thing you have to remember -- without pads or contact, the defenders are going to look more tentative than they usually would.
     
  10. Missed Opportunities for Little: If Skrine had the down day on defense, I'd say receiver Greg Little had the down day on offense. He was no match for Joe Haden, but also seemed to struggle against other defensive backs. He didn't drop passes that were right in his hands, but they were the type of passes that in an NFL game, you'd hope your receiver can use their size to come away with the catch. He had a bad stretch where I felt he was about 0-for-5 in these situations. He had a couple of grabs later in practice in the red zone which Pat Shurmur praised him for, but it sounded more like he was trying to keep the receiver's confidence up.
     
  11. Wallace, Weatherhead Off Target: I'm not sure what was up with Seneca Wallace today. Way too many of his passes were overthrown in my opinion. Daniel Wolf of National Football Authority noted that the team seemed to run some longer routes in the West Coast Offense today, and I agree with him. Perhaps Wallace just needed some work getting used to the expanded offense. I thought Troy Weatherhead looked pretty inaccurate on several throws; I wouldn't really call him a serious contender to take the No. 3 quarterback role from Jarrett Brown. Today, Colt McCoy was the most accurate of the bunch, although I'd still like to see him make some quicker decisions.
     
  12. No True Picks Today: I didn't see any quarterback-caused interceptions today, so that's at least a little step forward for the quarterbacks. Then again, the lack of contact probably favors the receivers again. Cornerback Darian Hagan had an interception after a pass deflected off the hands of Greg Little.
     
  13. Returning to the Lineup: Besides the players scheduled to return on August 4, tight end Ben Watson was back from his concussion, and receiver Carlton Mitchell returned too. Joshua Cribbs was still held out of team drills. The only thing I saw him doing was fielding kickoffs from the machine that shoots out the footballs before the practice started, so I'd say he's close to returning. Running back Montario Hardesty seemed to be limited again. I didn't realize it, but Tony Grossi says that offensive guard Eric Steinbach was playing with the first-team offense, so he must be on the regular roster again.
     
  14. Out of Action: No sign of Mohamed Massaquoi on the field, and tight end Jordan Cameron was held out with a hamstring injury. Rookie offensive lineman Jason Pinkston sat out with a shoulder problem, but it's not serious. Wide receiver Jordan Norwood suffered a hip flexor during practice, but Shurmur said it's not serious again.
     
  15. Multi-Back Formations: Maybe it's just me, but I felt that I saw quite a few multi-back situations (without a fullback) that the team passed out of, with one play being a delayed draw play to Peyton Hillis. When Hardesty gets back, I really feel like we'll be seeing he and Hillis on the field at the same time.
     
  16. New Punter Stats: I was getting scorched by the sun, so I headed over to the shade and eventually left when new punter Richmond McGee must have took the field. Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal says that McGee went 2-of-6 at getting punts downed inside the ten yard line, which is meh. CBS Sports had this to say:
    New P Richmond McGee was unimpressive in practice. His hang time was OK, but his kicks fell woefully short. McGee, who averaged just 39 yards a punt at the University of Texas, is not locked in as the starter, but he's the only punter currently in camp.
     
  17. Camp Sights and Sounds:
    (after seeing Moore make a one-handed catch, from a distance) "What was that guy's name again, I think it began with an 'h.'" (slight pause) "Heiden, that's it."
    "All right Joe Haden!" (Haden gestures to fans on the sideline)
    "Looks like another Braylon Edwards, hahahaha." (some guy after Little's first drop, and the laugh irritated me)
    "Look how tall Moore is." (regarding Moore standing right in front of us on the sideline)
     
  18. Brownies: I didn't catch much of the new players in action, but Usama Young and Phil Taylor did seem to be running with the first-team offense...Wolf liked the explosiveness he saw from defensive end Jayme Mitchell, and says Marcus Benard was running with the second-string defense at end...receiver Johnathan Haggerty had a good practice, and I felt like I saw less of Demetrius Williams...before getting hurt, Jordan Norwood was again practicing fielding kickoffs, and Joe Haden did punts.

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“Today, Colt McCoy was the most accurate of the bunch, although I’d still like to see him make some quicker decisions.”

He’ll get faster when he develops confidence in the new system. He’s almost never been a slow decision maker***

(* except when playing against Ndamokung Suh)

by scrumm on Aug 4, 2011 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

and thats who he will see in preseason…….

by youngergenerationbrownsfan on Aug 5, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

We can just put Joe Thomas at guard for that game.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 5, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now THAT will be a hell of a matchup.

Just kidding Joe ;-). Really I mean I was just joking around. Of course he’s no match for you. I mean, I know you can take a joke… oh of course you can take a little joke, why would I even ask? Anyway, I have a bottle of your favorite syrup ready here, whenever you are…

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 5, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

…but sounds like he won’t be seeing Mr. Fairley for a while

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra

by JustPlainBrowns on Aug 5, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great write up!
Everyone is talking about how big our D-line is with Taylor yet in the picture Lauvao looks bigger… I wonder what he weighed in at this season.

by crazyL80 on Aug 5, 2011 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Lauvao is O-line.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 5, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry.. I wasn’t implying he was part of the D-line… bad communication on my part… I was just mentioning that he looks big compared to Phil in the picture.

by crazyL80 on Aug 5, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah i see. no biggie. on second glance i understand what you were saying.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 5, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ESPN article says Rubin is only 315 lbs. I thought he was up at 330-340 last year. Did he really lose that much weight?

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 5, 2011 2:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Take a look at Rubin’s interview yesterday. He definitely sounds like he expects to be a 3-technique tackle. He said he focused his offseason training on improving his quickness and that he’s trying to be an impact pass rusher.

by Bumblyjack on Aug 5, 2011 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong link. Here’s the right one.

by Bumblyjack on Aug 5, 2011 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody stood out in a great way, though Greg Little seemed to drop way too many passes. Little got a lot of work, as the Browns wanted to see him in the team’s red-zone offense. The result: A couple good catches, but too many drops.

Just a prediction, but if Hillis stays relatively healthy he will lead the team in receptions.

The offense worked mostly on red zone offense today. There were a lot of screens and dump offs to the RBs. A lot. I know that it is a big part of the west coast offense, but did I mention they dumped the ball off a lot? Josh Cribbs and Mo Mass were spectators again.

Looks like the WR situation might actually be worst than last year

by The Licensed Pessimist on Aug 5, 2011 3:09 AM EDT reply actions  

WR situation might actually be worst than last year

Not possible.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 5, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. That makes no sense. We’ve clearly improved. I mean its just camp dammit.

Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully that is all it is——just camp. I was worried, I must admit, about any rust with Little. Hopefully he gets up to speed and starts making the plays we expect of him. Otherwise we may have another Braylon on our hands and none of us want that.

by Granville74 on Aug 5, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

49ers might be the end of the line for BE. He better bring all his skills with him.

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra

by JustPlainBrowns on Aug 5, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is too early to make judgements based on camp. We’ve only had one day of practice with pads, and several of our receivers / TEs have been on the sidelines. But Mitchell, Watson, Moore are back on the field now and I fully expect the offense to steadily improve day by day with everyone getting reps with the new routes and formations. I am hearing multiple reports that Robiskie is looking very very good already, not to mention this guy Jordan Norwood is evidently making some waves looking really good in the slot and burning the corners on a couple of long routes. I’m optimistic, but its going to take a little more time for the new offense to start clicking. It should be no surprise to anyone that at this early stage the passing offense is looking sloppy at times as they get familiar with the new scheme.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 5, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

we gotta give Little the benefit of the doubt here. yes, it would be great if he started on game 1, but those are really high expectations for a guy who’s still trying to get used to his role after a year away from the game. personally, i don’t expect much from him until next season.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 5, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also lets give our WRs some slack, considering they’re matched up against a top 5 DB core.

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by Clevsports on Aug 5, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say we have a top 5 CB but not a top 5 CB core.

cautiously realistic

by North Coast Flea on Aug 6, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like the WR situation might actually be worst than last year

We lost Stuckey, and added Little. Those were the only changes. I don’t see how you can possibly say this.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 5, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haggerty is back healthy, we added a gigantic UDFA and the rest all have more experience. Probably (I’m just guessing here) a more receiver friendly offense.

by HenryDawg on Aug 5, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look who your talking to.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 5, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

if anything, i’d say its pretty stagnant (if little is no better than chansi), but not worse.

Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.

by pwndabear on Aug 5, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Screens, draws, and outlet passes were a big part of the rams’ offense last year. I wouldnt be surprised if we had one day per week devoted to these things.

Just because you practice goal line d doesnt mean you expect to be in that situation all the time.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 5, 2011 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Stop it, man. You’re killing my dream of super returns on every punt and kick.

"... you slay the chicken and you crack the egg ..." - Moon

by JustBob on Aug 5, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re going to start idolizing Joe Haden too because of how dominant he is. In one-on-one drills, he had his receiver blanketed every time. He’s so far ahead of the other defensive backs, it’s not even close.

don’t publicize this yet. we need other teams to be unaware of Haden’s abilities so he can rack in the interceptions!

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 5, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Norwood needs to see the field this yr in the regular season. He’s paid his dues in camps, this yr and last. We always get nothing but great reviews about him, so i say its time to see wat hes got as a slot receiver.

by Stan Wizz - Go Browns on Aug 5, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

he’ll get his chance in preseason. and i imagine with predominantly different coaching staff they won’t have any kind of bias toward certain players like the old regime may have had so if he’s really that good i’m sure he’ll have his chance in the regular season.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 5, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wide receiver Jordan Norwood suffered a hip flexor during practice

Man, do those suck! Don’t feel good.

I know it’s early, but not happy with what we’ve been hearing about Little’s performance.

McGee sounds crappy.

My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.

by Brownie's Year on Aug 5, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I like McGee. I think he is a smart guy that has worked really hard for an opportunity and I’m glad we’re giving it to him. I think its great if he can get 1/3 of his kicks inside the 10. I wonder how many he gets inside the 20.
 Not to mention he’s the punter, how much are we going to use him with McCoy et. al. tearing up defenses all season. ;)

by crazyL80 on Aug 5, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m getting used to having pro-bowl caliber punters.

My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.

by Brownie's Year on Aug 5, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i want all of our players to strive for perfection no matter what position they play.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 5, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This confused me. Is that supposed to be hip pointer? The hip flexor is just a muscle in your leg I think.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 5, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two different things. Pointer is a bone bruise. Flexor is a muscle pull. I’ve had both.

My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.

by Brownie's Year on Aug 5, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_flexors

Hip flexors are muscles. You can pull or strain a hip flexor.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 5, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

and because wikipedia says it, it must be true.

Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.

by pwndabear on Aug 5, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is coachspeak for he has a(n injury to) XYZ (part of his body). “He has a foot” = he has a foot injury.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 5, 2011 5:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I should have been more clear to you. Like rufio says, when you pull a hip flexor muscle, the injury is called a “hip flexor”.

My dog is a badass. His name is Kosar.

by Brownie's Year on Aug 6, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, it doesn’t makes sense to me, but I guess I have heard coaches talk like that.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 6, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think of it like how on an injury report, anything that happens below the waist is listed as “leg” by some coaches.

cautiously realistic

by North Coast Flea on Aug 6, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, I get it, I just think it’s a weird way of talking about injuries that doesn’t actually make any sense.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 7, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least we have good Special Teamers. Patterson is supposed to be an awesome gunner so as long as he can make foot hit ball it shouldn’t be too bad.

by HenryDawg on Aug 5, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read a Browns camp report written after Friday’s practice from Pat Kirwin on nfl.com and noticed something of particular interest.
According to a statement from Shurmur, McCoy is getting exactly half of the reps in practice. Wallace and Brown are sharing the other half.
Here’s the article.

From Kirwin:

…As I finished watching tapes and practice, it was clear that three quarterbacks share the reps. Shurmur explained it this way: “Say we have a 12-play period in practice. That means six plays for Colt, three for Seneca Wallace and three for Jarrett Brown.” That’s smart in OTAs, but it is just about time McCoy gets 80 percent of the plays if he’s going to be ready. The coaches don’t soon expect to change the percentage of plays each quarterback will get in preseason games or even in practice…
Not sure what to think about this, but I do think its odd that Brown is getting as many reps as Wallace, assuming Wallace is a lock for the #2 spot.
Kirwin obviously thinks McCoy should be getting more than half the reps in practice at this point. Opinions anyone?

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 5, 2011 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Wallace and Brown, there may be a logic to that. Wallace is supposed to already have a handle on the WCO in general, whereas Brown does not. Given the history of our right side – not to mention that it isn’t settled currently – we may want to make sure the QB depth can do more than just hand the ball off.

"... you slay the chicken and you crack the egg ..." - Moon

by JustBob on Aug 5, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think its odd that Brown is getting as many reps as Wallace because according to all accounts, he has more upside. I imagine they want to see as much as possible. As far as the 50% goes, that will probably increase closer to the season and I think its good for the backups to get as many reps as possible. We have always had major QB health issues around here. I can’t think of a single season outside of DAs one decent year that we didn’t.

by HenryDawg on Aug 6, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i’d be really surprised if by the 3rd preseason game McCoy is still only getting half the reps. this was the first week of training camp so it shouldn’t be surprising at all that it’s split up this way. and at least it’s not like Mangini trying to make sure every guy gets the exact same number of reps throughout the whole process. it wouldn’t benefit us much for McCoy, Wallace, and Brown to all get 4 reps a piece. certainly by the beginning of the season McCoy will see almost all the reps.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 6, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The coaches don’t soon expect to change the percentage of plays each quarterback will get in preseason games or even in practice

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 6, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have thought all of this stuff through. This sort of thing is ingrained in the system and with all of the extra time due to the lockout they’ve thought it through over and over.

Shurmur’s statement is vague enough that he could mean Colt is getting 50% of the total reps. My guess is that is all of the work with the first team and then some.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 6, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, this sounds pretty close to my interpretation. I’ve been so out of touch with the NFL (before 2010) that the nuances of training camp / preseason with the various news reports, etc. – reading this made me curious to hear some feedback. Actually I was hoping to hear from you specifically. I thought Kirwin’s statement regarding the division of reps in the article (i.e. “it is just about time McCoy gets 80 percent of the plays if he’s going to be ready”) was probably an overreaction. Obviously it is going to be critical how the QB situation is handled with the installation of a new offense. I’ve even wondered if it might be best to just start Wallace since he has experience with the WCO – and effectively give McCoy the year on the sideline he was supposed to sit through last year (barring a complete meltdown by Wallace of course).

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 6, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, don’t take this wrong way but are you Colt’s dad? I only ask because you notice the most slightest adversities to his progress in only a way a parent would do.

by HenryDawg on Aug 6, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, actually I’m his uncle if you must know the truth.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 6, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you get me some tickets?

cautiously realistic

by North Coast Flea on Aug 7, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s toned it down rather well since he first came here.

cautiously realistic

by North Coast Flea on Aug 7, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks NCF. I know in the past I was out of control defending McCoy any time any criticism was leveled at him.
I realized after a while that I was enjoying the DBN blog too much to be seen as nothing more than the resident McCoy apologist on every single topic of QB discussions. Also I was becoming a more avid Browns fan as much as I was a McCoy fan (as I’ve mentioned a number of times, I don’t have any other team to root for and I’ve adopted the Browns and so far been loving it).

I can’t lie, I still pull for for McCoy, partly because of my Longhorns loyalty (Austin loyalty really – and watching what he became to Austin as a beloved local hero of sorts), but also because he became a refreshing symbol to me of the anti Prima Donna / cocky jerk athlete. But I’ve stopped defending McCoy against all criticism and believe I have become more objective. I might still post a comment or question on occasion about the QB situation, but don’t think my comment above was particularly biased or out of line, and I do think it has relevance as a discussion point for the progression of the team heading into the season.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 7, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently, you can teach an old dawg new tricks.

Resident Tim Couch Apologist.

by Dawg Nuts on Aug 7, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure what was up with Seneca Wallace today. Way too many of his passes were overthrown in my opinion

He sucks?

Mangini apologist by default.

by Villeslgr on Aug 7, 2011 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

He just stayed true to form.

Resident Tim Couch Apologist.

by Dawg Nuts on Aug 7, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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