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The Sunday Five [Special Edition]: More Notes From Browns Fun Day

"The Sunday Five" is a loosely-titled piece where I talk about five NFL- or Browns-related topics related to this past week. Today, we are having a special edition of "The Sunday Five," which highlights some more of my observations from the Family Fun Day training camp session at the stadium Saturday afternoon. The regular edition of "The Sunday Five" will appear later tonight.

Bullet_mediumI had brought a pen and little notepad to take notes in for yesterday's session, but when I was handed the training camp roster sheet (the reverse side of the image to the right), I noticed that the other side had a lot of white space on it. Considering I would already be flipping to this sheet to check out jersey numbers, I decided to use the promotional flier as my place to take notes. They might not mean much to you, but if you click on the image, it will take you to a bigger one where some of my writing is legible.

I was surprised by the lack of fans that showed up. For one, while the sun was still making people feel hot, the temperature seemed a lot cooler than it had been the previous two years. If I recall correctly, the attendance last year was somewhere around 22,000. I saw way too many open seats this year, and I wasn't surprised at the conclusion of the event when the announcement was made that attendance had reached 11,965. It's still more fans than you'll ever see in Berea. I'll just throw the "lockout" excuse out there as the reason for the lower attendance.

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Bullet_mediumYou can probably tell from last night's play-by-play script who my favorite player to watch was on offense: tight end Evan Moore. This guy already has the most highlight reel plays in training camp, and he's only been participating since Thursday. He's making the same type of plays he did last year in his limited playing time: he is a big target who seems to be a mismatch against anyone he goes up against. He combines decent speed with an uncanny ability to shield the defenders away from the ball, and both Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace seem to have great chemistry with him. I know we have Ben Watson and Jordan Cameron on the team, but given our receiver situation, I'd really like to see Moore on the field more times than not.

Bullet_mediumThis was really the first time I thought the chemistry was a little off between McCoy and Brian Robiskie. I don't blame Robiskie, because besides some of the red zone drills, it wasn't the best session for McCoy. I think part of the reason we saw McCoy look bad during the two-minute drills was that he didn't have Peyton Hillis at his disposal. You can't run the ball in that situation, and when Hillis had previously been in on McCoy's series, he either commanded attention or made a nice play after the catch. It's all about McCoy being comfortable -- knowing in the back of his mind that he has a guy out there he is confident in. It was a little discouraging to see that he had troubles against the second-team defense too.
 
Back to Robiskie, I thought he got enough separation on a few plays. On the first deep ball attempt that went his way, I saw Sheldon Brown catching up because Robiskie was waiting for the ball a little bit. On the second deep ball attempt, there was safety help the entire time from Eric Hagg -- again, that's on McCoy, not Robiskie. On a key third down play that was deflected by Ramzee Robinson, Robiskie should have been led to the sideline a little more. Instead, the throw came where Robiskie was stationary, allowing Robinson to deflect it away.
 
Although I didn't see him much, this was the best of three times I've seen Greg Little. He had good concentration on his touchdown catch in the end zone between two defenders. Joshua Cribbs does a good job getting open over the middle, catching the ball, and then immediately taking it upfield for additional yards. I know this is no contact, but Cribbs looks 100 times quicker than he was all of last season when he was plagued by a toe injury.

Bullet_mediumI've stated this in the past -- it's always tough to see what both the offense and the defense are doing, so most of my attention is on the offense. I did try to pay attention to defense a little more, particularly defensive end Jayme Mitchell. With Jabaal Sheard stonewalled by Joe Thomas, Mitchell has looked like the best pass rusher on the team, something Tom Heckert told fans all offseason. There were several times the quarterbacks would come off of a playaction and see Mitchell forcing their hand at making a play. I wondered several times, "if contact was allowed, would Mitchell be going harder and get to the quarterback?" We'll see this Saturday against the Green Bay Packers.

When it came to the defensive backs, I wanted to see how well Dimitri Patterson did. I don't see him standing out as a glaring weakness, although we didn't know that about Eric Wright last season until Anquan Boldin kept smoking him during the regular season. Safety Eric Hagg did a good job in coverage twice against McCoy. Usama Young should have had a pick six, and Mike Adams did have a pick six, both off deflected passes by McCoy. It is good to see our safeties around the ball so often.

Bullet_mediumBrownies: On a special teams drill, I saw the 6'5" Chris Matthews run down to be met by the 5'10" Ray Ventrone.....Ventrone was able to handle him, but the size comparison made it an interesting matchup.....on kickoff practice, only half of the gunners would run down, meaning the kick returner would "appear" to get a touchdown every time.....it was annoying to hear kids around me saying, "man, that would've been a touchdown!" when half the coverage unit didn't run down on purpose.....safety T.J. Ward lowered his shoulder a little into tight end Ben Watson during a 7-on-7 drill, perhaps itching for contact.....rookie undrafted free agent guard Dominic Alford seemed to be having some issues during one-on-one drills.....pre-practice, the first three players on the field were quarterbacks Troy Weatherhead and Jarrett Brown, and punter Richmond McGee.....Weatherhead did not get any reps during the session, and I think Brown is locked up as the third quarterback.

The Browns' next practice is Monday afternoon (not morning). I might be there in attendance again, but I'm not certain.

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I think fewer people went because it wasn’t a full scrimmage like it was in years past.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 7, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

i would’ve gone but i already had plans. i’ll be there for the Packers game though.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 7, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don Banks reported the same thing from the KC Chiefs fanday… I really do believe the lockout hurt fan interest at this point. People need that time to fret about player holdouts, contemplate new players, and dream about what needs to go right for their team to win the Super Bowl (even Browns fans). Just as fans need several days to prepare for a single game on Sunday, they need several weeks (even months) to prepare for a full season.

I imagine traffic at DBN is probably lower than this time last year (the number of comments seems down)… Opening week will be sellouts, but I expect ratings to be down. In the end, the teams that get a slow start to the season will be in for some non-sellouts. Heck, I worry the Jan 1 game against Pittsburgh will be a sea of black.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Aug 7, 2011 3:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We’re actually on pace to have a 70% increase in traffic for the month of August compared to last year. July was also up from last year. Of course, you can attribute some of that to the normal free agency traffic being deferred from the usual month of March to the end of July/beginning of August. Comments are also up compared to last year.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 7, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the controversy of the lockout also increased the message board traffic a little just cause that was the only place for us fans to vent.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 7, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it just looks like there’s less commenting because there’s a lot more articles being published.

cautiously realistic

by North Coast Flea on Aug 7, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably true. A little quick statistic I just did though:

Average Comments per Thread (first week of August)

  • 2011 average: 92.26315789 comments per post
  • 2010 average: 52.84615385 comments per post

The above does not include FanShots or FanPosts. We’re posting more, but you guys are also commenting a lot more.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 7, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had brought a pen

this is totally random, but when i saw this i had to make a comment. i frequently use “had” in the same manner, and i’ve been told that it’s improper grammar. for example i’ll say something like, “i had thought i did that.” instead of just saying, “i thought i did that.” a lot of us are grammar nuts around here so i wanted to ask your opinions.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 7, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Grammar rec.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 7, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only here would I had thought this discussion possible.

by Nuclear Power on Aug 7, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here, or LGT. It’s nice to see.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Aug 7, 2011 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

thanks that helps. i knew i could count on you folks!

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 7, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reports on McCoy’s interceptions worry me, but hopefully this is because our secondary is good, not our quarterback being bad.

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by BrownDawg1409 on Aug 7, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s training camp and interceptions happen. It’ll probably be a few months before the majority of the offense can be run with at least a moderate comfort level. In reality, it takes years to get your entire two deep ready to execute the entire playbook more or less mistake free — which is why coaching turnover sucks.

They’re finding out what works, what doesn’t, and what can be made to work with some adjustments.

I’m a huge Colt McCoy homer, and I expect this offense to show some flashes of brilliance — in the midst of a whole lot of mistakes. Sometimes reading reports about every single practice can give you a gloomier outlook on the season than is warranted.

by scrumm on Aug 7, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s worrisome, sure; especially when you see reports of Ben, Brady, Manning and others looking sharp. I’d like to chalk it up to a kid returning to just his second training camp with an entirely new offensive system…

But, is there a possibility that McCoy is less a practice player and more of a game player? (I think I heard this somewhere – and wasn’t Steve Young an awful practice player?)

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Aug 7, 2011 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But, is there a possibility that McCoy is less a practice player and more of a game player?

There is. Some QBs are good in practice but then awful in the games.

by emily522 on Aug 7, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what all the Tebow groupies are claiming (now that he’s been nixed as the starter in Denver), but I don’t really buy it.
I think McCoy needs to start getting his timing down with the receivers and get the new WCO schemes down pat, and hopefully it will start to show in practice (or at least by some point early in preseason) with more consistent / sharper reps. The coaches can’t rely on “well, he’s not really a good player in practice”. I do agree, though, that it is still a bit early to be too concerned (this goes for both him and Wallace). I think if McCoy is still struggling mid-way through preseason it should then become a competition between him and Wallace and they should split the 1st string reps until one of them becomes the clear starter going into regular season.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 7, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what all the Tebow groupies are claiming… but don’t really buy it

I meant this as a reply to Spidey’s comment (“possibility that McCoy is less a practice player and more of a game player”).

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 7, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure it’s obvious that Seneca is practicing better than McCoy.

by scrumm on Aug 7, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

From reports I’ve heard McCoy and Seneca are about on even ground as far as consistency, etc. right now in practice.

All I was saying is that if it gets late into preseason and McCoy is still struggling and Wallace is looking sharp, they should start thinking about possibly starting Wallace when regular season starts.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Aug 7, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

like DA?

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 7, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point I would say it’s because the seasoned vets (Ben, Brady, Manning) are returning to systems they know and are comfortable with and to mostly receivers with whom they have some rapport. Whereas McCoy is still green and coming into a system he doesn’t know with a couple of receivers he is kind of familiar with.

"... you slay the chicken and you crack the egg ..." - Moon

by JustBob on Aug 8, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a bit too early to worry about this. Let’s see what happens in the first 3 preseason games.

by Bumblyjack on Aug 7, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worrisome, but early in camp. My guess is that Colt is swimming in new terminology, responsibilities, plays, and definitely new ways of doing things. It’s like learning a new language over a few weeks and then being dropped in a foreign country.

If he’s still not looking sharp by the 3rd preseason game it’s a much more pressing problem.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 7, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is that they probably threw a lot at him right away to see what would stick, and as the preseason progresses they’ll scale back into things he’s doing well.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Aug 8, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s what Holmgren said they would do a little over a week ago – they’re gonna give the players as much info as possible and if they can’t keep it up they’ll slow down, but otherwise charge ahead full steam.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 8, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This approach isn’t super comforting to me, but a lot of NFL teams do it that way.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 8, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just asked a couple questions on Twitter:

Q1: “Rubin, Taylor, Schaefering…after them who’s 4th best at DT? Mitchell, Sheard, Benard…who’s 4th at DE?”
TheWolf: “Sanford can play both DE and DT, Benard will play DE in pass rushing downs. Depth needed at DT tho.”
Ulrich: “Scott Paxson/Derreck Robinson”

Q2: “Heard DT Robinson re-signed last wk, how hes doing?”
TheWolf: “He needs more practice time. Too early to tell.”

I’m curious about this because…
1. DT’s rotate a lot and 4 should see playing time.
2. Sheard and Benard may struggle against the run at RE so the 4th guy might see action.

by Bumblyjack on Aug 7, 2011 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

We are paying/will pay Taylor and Rubin a lot of money, they should be on the field a lot. If one of them goes down, then the problems arise.

We’ll have to wait a little to see, but Sheard and Bernard shouldn’t need to be huge against the run. That’s also the job of those two big guys inside. Also, Mitchell is huge.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 8, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I attended the sessions run by Mangini because I thought the team had a chance after RAC.

I have not bought into Shurmur yet, because I still don’t see why the change was necessary.

I believe at least a couple thousand no-shows share the same opinion.

by tribe71 on Aug 7, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

i wish i would have skipped out on my plans yesterday just to prove you wrong.

Yvan Eht Nioj.

by Brownsbacker488 on Aug 7, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

First time at CBS!!

My first game I went to see the Browns in Cleveland (and only one to date) was the Raiders/Browns game back in 1981. Yep, I froze my butt off during that infamous interception at the end zone in front of the pre-Dawg Pounhd crowd.

Saturday, I drove a couple of my buds to Cleveland, got to see the Browns practice for the first time, and sat in the first time in the new stadium. After watching the progress of the stadium going up and finally seeing the after results it was a thrill for me to even be a part of this. Now, if I can actually see them play…for real…under the lights and Lake Erie breeze. THAT will be a thrill!

"Time to eat all your words, swallow your pride, open your eyes!"--Tears for Fears (Sowing the Seeds of Love)

"But I still believe
I still believe
Through the pain
And the grief
Through the lives
Through the storms
Through the cries
And through the wars
Oh, I still believe"---The Call (Fitting for a TRUE Cleveland Browns fan)

by Ed Hooper on Aug 8, 2011 7:10 AM EDT reply actions  

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