Cincinnati Bengals vs. Cleveland Browns - Position Breakdown & Notes
Sometimes, things are not as easy to predict as they seem. Heading into Week 1 last year, I predicted that the Cleveland Browns would blow out the Tampa Bay Buccaneers by a final score of 34-16. We lost. As much of a walkover as the Cincinnati Bengals might seem compared to other opponents we'll face, nothing should be taken for granted. In other words, we need to be "cautiously optimistic."
Here are some notes heading into the game, followed by my positional breakdown and prediction for the game:
- I'll be attending the game, but the game threads will post automatically. I hope there is no rain; we've seen enough of the Browns play poorly in those conditions. Right now, it's expected to be 72 degrees with thunderstorms.
- I wonder how much of tight end Evan Moore we are going to see. He was involved a lot in training camp and the preseason, and I've made no secret about how much of advantage it seems to be when he is lined up against...anybody. His catch rate seems to be pretty darn high. If a receiver happens to crack the 100-yard barrier on Sunday for Cleveland, I'd put my money on it being Moore.
- At right tackle, Tony Pashos remained limited on Thursday and Friday and is listed as doubtful/a game-time decision. I don't want to think about the game happening without Pashos in there, as I believe it would hurt our running game and some of the timing McCoy has with his receivers.
- How sweet will it be to see a healthy Joshua Cribbs finally returning kicks and punts? It was a depressing year to watch Cribbs struggle in 2010, and it would be a much-needed boost to the 2011 Browns if Cribbs returned to his pre-2010 form.
- I have no opinion on who should start at safety between Mike Adams and Usama Young, simply because I haven't seen what Young has to offer. I'd be in favor of there being a rotation between the two though, and Young might be better suited in the red zone given the fact that quarterbacks picked on Adams last year down there.
- This is a perfect game for Jayme Mitchell, Marcus Benard, and Jabaal Sheard to demonstrate the pass rush they can put together. A rookie quarterback, playing with young receivers in a new system? Our linebackers should be ready to bring the pressure too. If we have confidence in our secondary to play one-on-one, I'd like to see Dick Jauron challenge Dalton to beat us down the field.
- We'll see who the slot receiver is on Sunday. I think we should have two different sets, and rotate them in and out. The first set is Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie starting, with Jordan Norwood in the slot. The second set is Joshua Cribbs and Evan Moore starting, with Greg Little in the slot. The key is to get everyone involved.
- One thing I hope the first play isn't? A pass play to Owen Marecic. We should try to get him a play at some point in the game, but I'd rather the Browns already have a lead.
- Montario Hardesty will make his regular season debut against the Bengals, and if things go to plan, we should see a healthy dose of him. Less Hillis means a more effective Hillis, with his reps still being well higher than Hardesty's. I haven't seen much of Hardesty as a receiver, so hopefully he feels comfortable still in that department. Picking up blocks on the right side will be key too if Pashos is out.
- My prediction for the seven inactive players? I think you can still name a quarterback as inactive, but then you cannot play him. So, I'll go with QB Thaddeus Gibson, WR Carlton Mitchell, OL Oniel Cousins, TE Jordan Cameron, DE Emmanuel Sanders, LB Titus Brown, and S Eric Hagg.
Position-by-Position Breakdown
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| QB | You have some quarterbacks who are able to pull their team to victory in their first game, but that usually requires a strong supporting cast. Of course there are some good potential players the Bengals have, but I don't think Andy Dalton showed us anything in the preseason to say that he had great chemistry with his teammates. Colt McCoy, on the other hand, looked well in-sync with his receivers for the first two preseason games, and even had some nice throws in the third game that the team struggled in. It's tough to pick up a new system in such a short period of time, but McCoy seems up to the task and has become a leader in the locker room. |
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| RB | Peyton Hillis did not get much work in the preseason, but you know when he is most effective? When he's fresh. That's how he blew away the Ravens the first time he faced them last year, and he's going to have that same intensity when he faces the Bengals. A key will be finding a way to get Montario Hardesty into the flow of the game, while keeping the ball out of the hands of Armond Smith. For the Bengals, it has been a troubling offseason for veteran running back Cedric Benson. If Dalton does not look sharp, Cincinnati is going to have to rely on their running game to keep them in the game. When you combine Benson's age, off-the-field issues, and other factors, I favor the Browns in this category. |
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| WR | When a team loses Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens, both of whom were "star" receivers at certain points of their career, you expect the team's group of receivers to deteriorate. I'm not so certain that the Bengals aren't a little better off at the receiver position in the long-term though. They have three receivers in A.J. Green, Jordan Shipley, and Jerome Simpson who could develop into a pretty good trio down the road. Tight end Jermaine Gresham is also a good target. I have loved what I've seen from the Browns receivers and tight ends during the regular season. The reason I didn't give Cleveland the edge here is because they, along with McCoy, need to prove they have what it takes during the regular season now. I think the real strength here is going to involve Ben Watson, Evan Moore, and Joshua Cribbs, even though two of those guys aren't starters. |
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| OL | The offensive line for Cleveland took a big blow with the season-ending loss to Eric Steinbach. Other than that though, I was really high on the four other positions, assuming right tackle Tony Pashos (listed as doubtful) can play. The question is at left guard, where Jason Pinkston will start. The rookie has held up better than expected, perhaps because he's sandwiched between two Pro Bowlers. Still, some uncertainty remains there. The Bengals have a similar situation at one of their guard positions, where fourth-round pick Clint Boling will start in place of right guard Bobbe Williams (suspended). |
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| DL | The Browns have three new starters along their defensive line. The Bengals have two new starters. Both of these units definitely got younger this season, but the Browns put a more significant investment in there line by spending their first two picks on Phil Taylor and Jabaal Sheard. Taylor has looked very good, and while our defensive ends seem like they can get some pressure, there is concern that they will be going for a pass rush and not adjust quick enough to a run play that goes right by them. For the Bengals, Geno Atkins will start at defensive tackle after being a fourth-round pick with limited work a season ago. The Bengals did add pass-rushing specialist Carlos Dunlap. He missed the entire preseason with an injury, but is expected to play Sunday. |
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| LB | The Bengals had a big switch at the linebacker position over the offseason, adding veterans Manny Lawson and Thomas Howard as their outside linebackers while Rey Maualuga switches to middle linebacker. Lawson and Howard have had their down periods, but overall, I think it makes Cincinnati's linebacker unit much better than it was a year ago. The Browns are taking a risk at linebacker that they hope pays off. A lot is riding on the durability of middle linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, because they have nobody after him. Scott Fujita is a leader of the defense, but when he went down last year, we saw how quickly things went south. Chris Gocong is expected to start, but missed the entire preseason. |
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| DB | Losing Johnathan Joseph is a tough one for the Bengals because he's been a steady veteran presence for them. They added Nate Clements to replace him, and at safety they added Reggie Nelson to start alongside Chris Crocker at safety. If it weren't for the Browns still having a major question mark at one safety position, they would've gotten the edge here. I'd take Joe Haden over Leon Hall, but Hall has had the Browns' number with five career interceptions against them. |
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| ST | How much of a bummer will it be if Richmond McGee shanks a few punts in his first game? I've been eased by his lack couple of positive performances, but the lack of regular season experience is still in the back of my mind. I can't wait to see Joshua Cribbs in the return game. The Bengals' Mike Nugent has had a good training camp, and the Bengals added a good return man off waivers this week in Brandon Tate from the Patriots. He is expected to return kickoffs and punts. |
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I think the Browns are going to look good on offense throughout the game, but the Bengals' defense isn't one we can just walk all over. Cleveland's running game is a bit questionable right now because we didn't get to see it on display during the preseason much, and the offensive line is shaky too. Dalton is going to have a tough time to start off the game, and I see Cleveland jumping out to an early two-possession lead. From there, I expect Cincinnati to grind things out on the ground and Dalton to start hitting a couple of throws to put the pressure back on Cleveland. The Bengals will score with a couple of minutes left in the fourth quarter, but Cleveland will close out the game from there.
FINAL PREDICTION: Cleveland Browns 24, Cincinnati Bengals 20.
CHRIS' OVERALL NFL PREDICTIONS RECORD: 1-0
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I dont think the Bengals D will be that good. They should be decent against the run, and that will challenge our OL, Marecic and Hillis. Their pass D will be pretty bad though. I dont believe you would say Lawson, Rey or Howard have strengths in pass coverage, Hall is pretty good, but then Clements is older and slower. To me, this sets up well to have Cribbs with a big game on the outside, and then Moore and Watson both getting it going wherever they want. McCoy could get 300+ in this one, and if so we should win easily.
Lawson's best strength is his coverage ability. I'd expect him to be covering Moore and Watson most of the game.
This will be an interesting matchup throughout the game.
Lawson can run and is very good at covering TEs. We like to get our TEs the ball. I think We’ll try to make Howard and especially Maualuga matchup on them and get them the ball.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I might be biased saying the Bengals have a better DLine,
I know for a fact that the Bengals have better receivers than the Browns.
I think your receivers might have more potential, but outside of Shipley I don’t see anyone who has proven more than our receivers.
Mangini apologist by default.
None of the receivers on either side of the ball have ever proved anything, but AJ Green is an all-world talent, and that’s something the Browns certainly don’t have. For that reason, I’d give the edge to the Bengals.
the fact is, Robiskie and momass have been in the league 2 years and are going to be the starters. the Bengals have a rookie and 2nd year player at the 2 WR positions.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I would say the Bengals probably get the edge at D-Line just because of experience (Dunlap, Peko, Geno Atkins).
I would have to give the edge to Browns WRs for the same reason, experience. WR rookies often don’t have a great first season. even megatron got less than 800 yards. I think Green will be solid, but I am not sure about Shipley having more defensive pressure
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
The first set is Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie starting, with Jordan Norwood in the slot. The second set is Joshua Cribbs and Evan Moore starting, with Greg Little in the slot.
Why not have some overlap with the sets?
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m sure there will be. Gotta keep the D thinking.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 10, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think robo, momass and norwood, then cribbs, little and moore would be alot better, moore playing the slot.
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 10, 2011 7:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You have to say Cincy’s D line is better. I can see if Atkins wasn’t playing, but with him in plus Dunlap they’re leagues better than anyone we have ATM.
And I don’t understand why you didn’t give them the edge with WR. Other than that I agree with everything
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 10, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
So with the additon of a unproven dunlap it makes them “leagues better”? and how do they have the edge? I say it’s dead even, they have no name, unproven WRs, we have Ok and unproven WRs
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 10, 2011 7:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This was in college right?
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 10, 2011 7:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m sorry, i thought for sure dunlap was a rookie this year. My bad.
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 10, 2011 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
AJ Green is far from a no-name unproven WR. Shipley as a third WR performed better than every one of our starters did he not?
Even if we ignorantly pretended that their WR’s are no-name and unproven, then I would still say their unproven WR’s are a lot more highly regarded.
And Dunlop had 10 sacks last year playing in 12 games in spot duty. How much you wanna bet Sheard doesn’t match that as a starter?
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 10, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Aj green HAS NOT proven himself at the NFL level, and yes shipley did do better, because he had a steady QB in palmer (whos now gone) while we had Three QBs throughout the season, any team’s WRs would struggle. Other then that, their WRs are unproven, on the flip side, i would consider robo and momass as ok, still waiting on to see how cribbs can do, and little and norwood are unproven.
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 10, 2011 7:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No crap, of course he hasn’t proven himself in NFL games. But for one, our WR’s aren’t “okay”. They pretty much suck. And if we’re going to look at who has proven themselves, 3/4 people on our D Line haven’t proven themselves. Our QB hasn’t “proven” himself. Yet those unproven players somehow give Cleveland an advantage?
Regardless of who was throwing to shipley, he did better than the starting brown WR combined with a percentage of the opportunity in a crowded WR core.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 10, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If we had gotten AJ Green you would have called him an unproven WR multiple times.
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by Vezoma on Sep 10, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactley!! And the sad thing is, he is a browns fan, sitting here defending the bengals..
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 10, 2011 8:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
AJ Green has how many career NFL yards? 0. TD’s? 0. Games? 0. The definition of unproven.
Also, Shipley did that with an experienced former top-tier, (and still pretty good,) QB in Carson Palmer throwing to him, we’ll see how he looks with an inexperienced and/or crap QB throwing to him, like all the Browns WR’s have had before this year.
"There's nothing that cleanses the soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." Woody Hayes.
I agree with you here. I’m not particularly high on Green but he’ll probably have the best career of anyone playing WR in this game. In the end, at this position we’re arguing over who is more mediocre, because nobody is good.
I don’t like Jayme Mitchell, mostly out of spite, but he hasn’t shown anything either. I don’t know who has the better D line, but my gut is telling me it will end up about even.
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by notthatnoise on Sep 10, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Browns win easily? You guys act like your coming off a winning season. I do believe your qb position is a lil bit stronger than ours but that’s it! Our D as a unit is better! I think it will be a close game! But quit acting like it’s a guaranteed win!
by Bengalsredsvictim on Sep 10, 2011 7:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Browns fans predicting a Browns win. Strange.
You Bengals fans gotta stop jumping over here and acting butthurt every time somebody says something about the Bengals.
I know they are such babies. It’s not like we’re playing Green Bay or someone.
Is anyone else having trouble with their cursor jumping around when typing in the comments box?
its the pre game booze. happens every time
by youngergenerationbrownsfan on Sep 10, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It pretty much is… The bengals are realllly struggling, they have a rookie quarterback and WR who don’t have that much chemistry. The only *proven players on the bengals D are ray malaluga(sorry if i spelt that wrong) and hall, now are we a step and a half ahead of the bengals…yes, but were not portraying ourselves as if were going to go 12-4 and to the super bowl.
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 10, 2011 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You guys over at CJ are doing the same thing. Stop crying about it.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 10, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes, things are not as easy to predict as they seem. Heading into Week 1 last year, I predicted that the Cleveland Browns would blow out the Tampa Bay Buccaneers by a final score of 34-16. We lost. As much of a walkover as the Cincinnati Bengals might seem compared to other opponents we’ll face, nothing should be taken for granted. In other words, we need to be “cautiously optimistic.”
Mangini apologist by default.
by Villeslgr on Sep 10, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
If i could rec this one statement, i would.
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 10, 2011 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ll help you out.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 10, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Im indifferent about this game! No crying going on! I just look for a good game.
by Bengalsredsvictim on Sep 10, 2011 8:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bengals win 20-17
Doesn’t look like you’re indifferent to me.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 10, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Haha I know. Well at least I hope they’re on top. If not oh well. I’m not expecting much.
by Bengalsredsvictim on Sep 10, 2011 8:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You’re bad at replying.
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by Vezoma on Sep 10, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
There is a reply button. It’s right there. -—————————- /\
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 10, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the actions button.
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by Vezoma on Sep 10, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You screwed me over!!!! hahaha
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 10, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaching and real-game experience needs to be considered in this formula. I’d give the entire Cincy defense an extra point or two in these comparisons because there is no system change.
And to the defense of those arguing about the quality of the Cincy WRs, it appears you are giving them negative points because of a new QB- that really isn’t fair.
In the end, the rookie QB and a highly suspect running game are very big balls and chains for a team to overcome – in the road, no less.
Shurmer seems to have his head on straight – something opponents haven’t experienced in CBS in a long time. It’s either a convincing Browns win, or we will be hearing the Mangini Chorus start warming up…
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Sep 10, 2011 9:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Browns score at least 24 if not more. Our defense might be a little weak week one but Bengals offense will probably struggle anyway due to a rookie QB starting his first home game away with little veteran presence at receiver.
I think its not an extremely high scoring game. Leon Hall is tough and Nate Clements isn’t bad. Plus, their LBs are beastly and so is their D-Line. Our offense can score points, but aren’t good enough to score in bunches against the bengals.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I came home tonight so that I can watch them on TV tomorrow, rather than on my laptop in the library. So excited!
by emily522 on Sep 10, 2011 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If Im wrong, (Bengalsredsvictim), Ill gladly admit it. IMO, the bengals pass D is nothing to be afraid of. I think the browns get at LEAST 21 tomorrow. Now, I am not going to say the bengals cant score right with it, because the browns D is very questionable. But, If McCoy picks apart the D, like I anticipate, and has over 300 yards, Ill certainly take our D against a rookie QB who needs to pass his way to a comeback.
Really, would anyone be completely shocked if it was a 52-45 game like in 07… I certainly wouldnt be.
I forgot colt McCoy is Peyton manning now and he is going to pick our D apart! Lol, we basically have the same D as we did last year! They’re are better than they were last year! You might score 21! That is a might and the only way I see that; is if hillis has a great game! It won’t be bc McCoy throws for 300 bc that will not happen!!
by Bengalsredsvictim on Sep 10, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Are you aware that punctuation outside of question marks and exclamation points exists?
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by notthatnoise on Sep 10, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
we basically have the same D as we did last year! They’re are better than they were last year!
its not the same D from last year. Johnathan Joseph is a top 5 CB in the league and Chris Crocker will not be at full speed. I would argue the D is worse than last year
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I was getting ready to say that. Joseph is gone, the LBs are 2/3s new… I just am not seeing a lot of strength against the pass. Also to go back ^, no one said Colt was Peyton Manning, just a trained chimp could probably pass against the Cincy D (I did go too far, but you get the point).
the LBs are 2/3rds new for now. Rivers will be out this game which is big, but even then their LBs are probably better. Lawson and Howard are good players and I think that when rivers is healthy, their LBs could even be better than last year.
If Reggie Nelson can have another good season, I think they can be good against the pass. Not bad corners.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Can anyone on either team cover?
Robinson is a legit Heisman candidate.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Hate Michigan (obviously), but I’m almost glad they won the game instead of Notre Dame.
by emily522 on Sep 10, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn’t really care who won, but was thrilled to catch such an exciting game.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I was rooting for a second meteor.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Sep 11, 2011 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You’re right. It’s funny because how bad he is.
Those Notre Dame DBs were just incredibly bad. DRob’s throws were not good.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
He shouldn’t be trying those back shoulder throws. But he also shouldn’t be throwing at all. No one can catch that guy.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
the offensive line is shaky too
i hope for your sake joe thomas forgot to read this thread, or you will be pancaked.
by What is optimism? on Sep 11, 2011 2:12 AM EDT reply actions
Thaddeus Lewis.
You can´t complain about the secondary. Your pitch at the white elephant in return for Abe Elam was not successful.
Wishing well for Hardesty, kind of sad that it comes down to testing whether the injury has healed though.
I agree, we need to set up the rocket launcher, or the tennis pitching machine, for Evan Moore and Owen Marecic, to the point that there is no deceiving regarding what they can do for us.
Good game Browns! I’m statistically correct. See you again! It was a great game.
by Bengalsredsvictim on Sep 11, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions

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