Several Bizarre Plays Hurt the Browns in Opener, as They Lose to Bengals 27-17
I was sitting in the stands after a roller coaster of emotions. The clock was running down in the fourth quarter, and the Browns' defense had forced two negative plays in a row, both of which had the crowd excited at the snap of the ball, to set up a 3rd-and-11. The Bengals had done nothing offensively since the first quarter. They weren't going to do anything either -- the game was in the bag. (continued after the jump)
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WEEK 1 - CINCINNATI BENGALS VS. CLEVELAND BROWNS (COMPLETE GAME REVIEW)
- Shellshocked: The crowd had not even started cheering yet. I wasn't even looking at the play, but at the scoreboard for a second to see updated scores around the league. And then, I looked at the field to see the defense confused, A.J. Green calling for the ball as he is wide open, and Bruce Gradkowski throwing him the go-ahead touchdown.
No. frickin. way. I looked around for a flag, but did not see one. I was shellshocked, dumbfounded, in disbelief, or whatever other synonyms express that type of feeling. Even as I exited the stadium through the streets of Downtown Cleveland, I couldn't believe what happened. This wasn't as stupid as Dwayne Rudd's helmet toss, but it was pretty bad. The thing is...I should have so it coming, and so should someone on the Browns staff.
- A Recurring Issue: I forgot when it happened, but for at least two other plays in the game, I was scared when I looked at our defense. The Bengals' quarterback(s) had lined up under center, and I could see defensive players on our team still talking. Both times, at least one receiver was uncovered for a brief period of time. Both times, the ball wasn't snapped, and our defense set up prior to the snap.
- Goat of the Game: P Richmond McGee - Thank goodness this guy will not be punting for the Cleveland Browns again if the reports are true. We didn't need a stud to replace Reggie Hodges, we just needed someone who had decent hang time and rarely shanked his punts. I'll talk more about the field position battle later, but McGee failed all day long.
Even on the punts that went longer, his hang time was terrible. Compared to the Bengals' punter, Kevin Huber, McGee was so far behind, it's not even funny. Usually I kid when I say, "I could've gone out there and done that," but this time, I'm not. There are probably a lot of people who could've gotten off of their couch and punted the ball better than McGee did. Even after McGee had done pretty well in the last couple of preseason games, I made it clear that I was still worried about him.
- Awarding Game Balls: KR Joshua Cribbs - We have our returner back. The Cribbs we saw on Sunday is the one we loved from two years ago. He was definitely frustrated after the first two kickoffs sailed out of the end zone. On the third one, I got pumped up as I watched Cribbs anxiously await the ball. He quickly peaked back to check his back foot, and saw that it was just barely going to stay in play. Bang. A 51-yard kick return that finally did something to counter McGee's shanks, sparking our offense to get back into the game. Cribbs tried to win the game with a punt return for a touchdown, but Greg Little accidentally annihilated the punter into Cribbs.
- Awful First Quarter: On Colt McCoy's first pass of the game, his pass was tipped and he caught it himself. It was kind of funny at first, until you realize he lost five yards. Then, you follow that up with a false start from Shawn Lauvao and a 20-yard punt by McGee. That's an easy way for Andy Dalton to get comfortable on his first drive -- in Browns territory without doing a thing.
- Doesn't Get Much Better: On the Browns' next drive? Another false start by Lauvao. An offensive pass interference call on Owen Marecic, who I assume was blocking down the field in anticipation of a McCoy scramble.
A false start by Joe Thomas. An anomaly. An unsportsmanlike conduct penalty...on Pat Shurmur. McGee got off a decent punt length-wise, but the poor hang time allows for a good return, and the Bengals again start at the 41-yard line. Cleveland's next drive? A three-and-out.
- How Often Will That Happen? Funks happen. Teams have those, "Are you kidding me?" stretches of penalties maybe once or twice a season, even some of the good ones. You just don't expect it to be the first quarter of the first game of the season at home. I hope a stretch like that doesn't happen again, especially if we get a new punter in. We spotted the Bengals ten of those 13 points. When Cleveland finally forced the Bengals into average field position, they held them to a just a field goal the rest of the way, until the "second funk" happened to close out the fourth quarter.
- McCoy's Strong Second Quarter: The Browns had a nice mix of running, passing, and aggressive playcalling in the second quarter. The whole stadium saw Benjamin Watson break wide open on the first touchdown pass, and I was thankful to see him recognize it just in time. McCoy's bomb to Mohamed Massaquoi while on the run was an unbelievable throw too. At the live game, I thought there was no way he'd get the ball down the field with how he was being pursued. The tight touchdown pass to Evan Moore into what was originally a double coveraged area was great too.
- Stagnent for Too Long: For as much as I could complain about the Bengals running a quick-snap touchdown, it's the Browns' fault offensively for not putting the game out of reach in the third quarter. Their first drive of the third quarter went well after good starting field position, but it was a little surprising to see two one-on-one pass situations called from the three-yard line when you have Peyton Hillis, a guy who thrived in those situations a year ago.
- Almost...AGAIN: How frustrating is this? After netting only a field goal on the previous drive, Cleveland's offense went back to work and were moving the ball. A reverse was run to Joshua Cribbs and there was a ton of room. I think it very well might have gone for a touchdown. One defender from behind just barely tripped him up for the stop.
On the next play, we stay aggressive and go deep for Evan Moore, who appears open but it seems as though he misjudged the timing and was too busy trying to still shield off the defender. The next play is a sack, taking us out of field goal range [important]. Then, we seemed like a great stop on the punt by Cribbs at the one-yard line is overruled, resulting in a touchback. For those who say the offense didn't do well in the third quarter, they were in position to do well -- just way too many "almost" plays that could've gone our way on another given Sunday.
- Rain, Rain Go Away: This team cannot play well offensively in the rain. How can we fix that? By praying it doesn't rain on gamedays, as silly as that sounds. Colt McCoy lost his ability to throw a good ball in the fourth quarter, and the receivers didn't seem able to hold on to what were potentially catchable passes. It's almost like the also progression of the game had things going against the Browns left and right.
- Right Tackle...Not Good: I was at the game with my brother, and when the starting lineups were being announced, I looked at him and said, "I hope they say 'Tony Pashos'' name when they announce the right tackle. Instead, I heard "Oniel Cousins" and shrieked in horror. Not good. I didn't realize during the game that Cousins and Artis Hicks were rotating, but I just know that the position was definitely a vulnerability the entire game. Why did Billy Yates have to retire? We could've had Yates at left guard and Pinkston at right tackle.
- DQ is Back, and He's a Playmaker: What a breath of fresh air it was to see D'Qwell Jackson flying all over the field. He finished the game with 11 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 forced fumble, and 1 tackle for a loss. Fact: prior to Sunday, in his entire career, Jackson had a total of three sacks and one forced fumble. I don't think this is a fluke game for Jackson, who looked very good in the preseason as well. My confidence level in our linebackers has gone up.
- Haden Up to the Challenge: I think cornerback Joe Haden showed that he wasn't going to fold to the pressure of being a top cornerback like Eric Wright did. For whatever reason, the Bengals' quarterbacks kept trying to challenge him. Haden responded with an incredible five passes defended. I don't know if I've ever seen an individual game number that high. Haden also had a sack, which I don't remember.
- Taylor's Debut, Impressive Too: I thought Phil Taylor had a good game too, finishing with two tackles for losses and six tackles altogether. We'll see how the rest of the year goes, but so far he has a high approval rating from me. I didn't see how Ahtyba Rubin did really since I've been reluctant to re-watch the game, minus the quick snap part, on my computer.
- Picking on Mike Adams: If there was a vulnerability on defense, it seemed to be at the safety position, where Mike Adams and Usama Young rotated. That is understandable given the fact that the team chose not to invest in a top safety there this offseason. Adams has had difficulty covering tight ends in the past, and the Bengals exploited that right off the bat.
- Special Teams Tackles: Thank you, Pat Shurmur, for allowing Cribbs to be a gunner on punts again. The Browns had five special teams tackles and looked quite good in coverage. Rookie cornerback Buster Skrine had two tackles, and Owen Marecic, Joshua Cribbs, and Marcus Benard each had one tackle.
- Reps for Hillis and Hardesty: I thought the approach was a good one for the most part in terms of giving carries to Hillis and Montario Hardesty. Hardesty had two series that were dedicated for him exclusively during the game, and Hillis took the rest of the workload. It only resulted in 17 carries, but we had a lot of good passing situations that were not capitalized on. Really, the lone regret I had was not giving Hillis at least one more crack down near the goal line in the third quarter.
- Moore's Physicalness: I saw some questions regarding Evan Moore's toughness. Here's the thing: he's not a guy who is going to lower his shoulder or plow through someone. For his size, he is kind of brittle and unorthodox. He usually knows how to use his size to shield off defenders without physical play though, and we saw that on the touchdown grab. I didn't like the fade to Moore because I feel that requires a good amount of contact while not allowing Moore to have enough time to shield a defender, since he is the guy backpedaling. I like how often we used Moore on Sunday, but I think we should use him at the tight end position a little more than split wide, especially down near the red zone.
- Brownies: The final touchdown run by Cedric Benson was a dagger, but he probably should've slid down at the one-yard line to guarantee a victory...Phil Dawson's kickoffs didn't go out of the end zone, but the coverage was great on two of them...McCoy did a nice job spinning off for a first down on one scramble...Brian Robiskie was targeted three times, but failed to notch a reception because he could not get separation...not sure what McCoy was thinking we he tried to dump the ball off to Alex Mack, except that maybe he thought a white guy in front of him and in a Cleveland uniform must be Peyton Hillis...another if only is, if only Dimitri Patterson had made that circus interception before the quick snap touchdown.
Up next, the Browns take on the Indianapolis Colts, who looked worse than the Browns did this past Sunday. Hopefully Cleveland has a solution at right tackle though, because it could get ugly if the Colts' pass rushers go up against someone besides Pashos.
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I guess McGee is going on IR for a back injury?
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
The Browns tried to put him on the IR for sucking, but was not allowed. So Joe Thomas punched him in the back.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 13, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
That was funny. Took me a while before it registered who had posted it though. I had gotten used to your other avatar.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
i’ve had enough.
bring on Indy.
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by discoinferno083 on Sep 13, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions
Very disappointing to finally see a Cleveland Browns game and I see this stinker. I will be optimistic and chalk it up to a new system and growing pains, but things have got to turn in certain areas. Adams and Young are backups and should be used as such. I know we have no one else, but they will continue to get picked on unless they learn or we address the position. The right tackle position is scary, but at least it is from Colt’s throwing side and he has a chance to see it and react. I look for better things this week against a down and out Manning-less Colts team so enough about this Week 1 garbage. Here’s to week 2.
The Maceric penalty was because we were trying to set up a screen. One of their LBs notices, then came flying in out of his tampa-2 zone spot.
It could have easily been called on Lauvao for being an ineligible downfield, as he was 3+ yards downfield blocking already.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
That in addition to the two false starts?
Sounds like Lauvao is a starter in body only, mind aint there yet. This is not good.
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Lauvao had one, Joe Thomas had mercy on Michael Johnson and intentionally committed one, there was a third by someone else I think.
It wasn’t Lauvao’s fault, I don’t think; I don’t really know who to blame for that screen not working like it should have.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think the one on the other player was also on Lauvao
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yeah Lauvao had one on each of our first two drives.
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by notthatnoise on Sep 14, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude was playing like a bull in a china shop.
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That sounds awesome.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 14, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant by using that terminology, his play sounded awesome.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 14, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I guarantee the quick snap TD happened because someone upstairs for cincy saw us doing it habitually when they subbed. They were able to scout this and take advantage of it within the same game.
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yeah, this is a great observation by chris. i had no idea there was even a whiff of disorganization getting in and out of the browns’ defensive huddle prior to the TD. i’m sure you’re right that the bengals saw and exploited it.
what a disaster.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing that has me puzzled now is that from what Chris reports, NOBODY, not even the crowd knew a play was about to happen, sort of like when everyone is milling around during a TV time out. Usually the ref blows a whistle to signal the play is about to start. How did nobody hear it?
Doesn’t matter. It happened and it can’t happen again. That’s on our coaches and players, it’s a whole-team thing. The fans don’t have to be ready for play, the team does.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I don’t think the refs whistle a play to start unless the clock has to be started for some reason before the ball is snapped. I can’t think of that situation but I think I’ve seen it before when there is some kind of snafu on the field like some trash needs to be removed. Then they start the clock before the play. Otherwise the clock is running and they just wait for the play like everyone else. The team can elect to snap whenever they want. It is pretty evident when they are going to snap the ball as they have to set. Remember when Wyche used to do this kind of thing when he coached Cincy?
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Definitely. And Cincy was probably surprised to find that we were still doing it under a new HC and DC. Because I remember seeing the same issue of
defensive players on our team still talkinglast year as well. They were never caught off guard as badly as this time around, but the potential was certainly there.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
As a fan I’ll continue to watch and root for the Browns but when I put on my cold, analysis cap I have to accept some realities:
- This game is a significant loss and points to a long season of disappointments.
- The coaches did not properly prepare the team for this game nor were they themselves prepared. This is not excusable—not at this level.
- McCoy did not look good. He did not look comfortable in the pocket, there was a ton of air under the ball when he threw at all down field, lots of his passes were short and wobbly. Quite a few passes were batted down or back. Others were nearly deflected. And why all the roll outs? Help me out on this rufio or someone with good Xs and Os. Is the roll out a particular characteristic of a West Coast offense or is this something they are doing in particular for McCoy so he can see down field? It is certainly more difficult to block for a QB that is rolling out and I thought Cincy was starting to key on it later in the game.
- Play calling in the red zone was terrible. When you are inside the 5 yard line and you have two big bruisers like Hillis and Hardesty, why are you passing every down? I thought the ability to punch it through with the run when near the goal line was a great strength of the team last year. It was almost automatic.
Very negative I know but also very realistic. There were some good individual performances (Cribbs and Haden) but there is very little to be happy about after having watched that game. Time to get positive about the next game and hope they at least look like they are ready to play.
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points to a long season of disappointments.
Really, man? The whole season is doom and gloom now? What do you think the odds are that we have that many penalties/blown plays? I don’t think it’s very high. Maybe not low enough to have a winning record, but certainly not as high as we saw.
McCoy did not look good.
Only 1/2 way through the tape but I disagree so far. The second half rain seemed to cause him trouble, though, so we’ll see.
A lot of the roll outs are off of play action. They work well with the ZB scheme; fake the zone left, and LBs flow that way, then pass it to the other side of the field. Change the point of the throw so that Cincy cannot tee off on the pass rush and get after our patchwork OL. Worked really well on TD throw to Watson.
I agree on the red zone offense, particularly when we are inside the 5. Not a lot of space to throw into down there, and when we ran the ball it seemed to work. At least go with a big set and create space out wide off of play action. Shurmur highlighted that as an area he was not happy with, so he’ll do something about it.
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Worked really well on TD throw to Watson.
people have been giving colt a hard time in a different thread for the throw to massaquoi down the right side, which i thought was a great throw. the td to watson, however, was a shit throw if you ask me. he had time, he got his feet set, he had a guy wide open, and the ball was almost batted away and watson was almost tackled. if there’s a throw to get on colt about, it’s that one.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the throw to massaquoi down the right side
I was watching some of the game again (NFL Rewind). I’d be interested to hear from others, and if you think I’m being a homer about this, I’m all ears. But he threw that ball 50 yards in the air on the run off his back foot (just before getting nailed from behind) and it looked pretty much to be a perfect strike to MoMass, and the ball did not “float”. If you ask me, that throw should quell many of the arm strength concerns (i.e. it appears to me he can make the throws he needs to make).
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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 13, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely wasn’t perfect. but luckily wasn’t a bad pass
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 13, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming from you, I’ll take that as an affirmative.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 13, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
My memory was the Mass had to pull up and turn almost completely around to get that pass. He had his guy beat by a mile so it didn’t matter but it was definitely not a strike in my recollection. Also, the ball had a lot of air under it compared to similar throws I saw off back feet by Romo, Flacco, Vick, etc. It is hard to know this but it looked like a maximum effort throw from Colt too. But it was a successful play so you got to give him that… I just don’t think it showed off his arm much compared to other QBs in the NFL.
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I would agree with this assessment. My other concern is that sure MoMass was wide open, but he seemed to hold the ball too long in other situations where the coverage may have been tighter. He needs to be able to sling a ball into a tight window to be successful. This is just my guess though since its hard to tell on TV.
i think under the circumstances it was a great throw. like, really great.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Since I did watch it on NFL Rewind in high definition, and you’ve pretty much implied that your “recollection” is a bit fuzzy, I’ll tell you that 1) Yes, MoMass had gotten separation and “he had his guy beat”; and 2) He had turned around in anticipation for the throw because he was wide open. To say “he had to pull up and turn almost completely around to get that pass” is wrong.
If you watch it, you will see that this was not the case.
The ball was definitely a great throw, and it was definitely a strike. I believe most will agree on this (including Chris, who was at the game – in his assessment above: “McCoy’s bomb to Mohamed Massaquoi while on the run was an unbelievable throw”). What I was hoping to hear were some reasonable responses regarding the arm strength issue.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 13, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
looked like a maximum effort throw from Colt
I don’t think so. Colt made this throw on a full tilt run to his right away from a linebacker and threw it off of his back foot while getting nailed. Somehow I don’t think this would represent the “maximum” throw he would be capable of otherwise.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 13, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a maximum effort from colt, but only in context. that’s clearly not the best throw that colt mccoy can possibly throw in his life.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Right – I interpreted the comment to mean he thought this was the absolute limit of his “range”. Sorry if I misinterpreted.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 13, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes massaquoi had to turn around at the last second, but he also didn’t need to slow down at all besides that. If he had to really stop, that means it was severely underthrown. I think it was mildly underthrown and if he didn’t turn around, it would have probably just hit him in the back.
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yes, Howard was on him as he was at the end of his release and he got slammed to the turf a split second after the throw.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 13, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t tell exactly but he looks to be falling down a bit as he throws. If he wasn’t being hit, he was .0001 seconds away from being hit (its that close)
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
This was a great throw. it wasn’t ideal, but it was a huge play. As I said elsewhere, you’d rather underthrow it than overthrow it. And it also showcased his athleticism that he was able to get it off at all.
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IMO its not Colt’s arm strength with deeper passes but timing. I think there are a lot of times where we slow down and allow the DB to get to us limiting YAC, then others where its a near miss because its just too far. That probably has some to do with WR speed as well.
Completely agree. Colt also does need to get better about settling down when the pressure comes though – I’ll keep making that criticism until he does. That said, I think once this offense gets “in synch” – i.e. when the WCO schemes, formations, etc. have been completely absorbed and become second nature for Colt and the receivers and they get the timing down better, I think the “settling down” issue will be alleviated.
Overall I’m still optimistic that once the WCO “work in progress” is hammered out and they get into a rhythm they could start clicking and we could be in for a treat once they get to that point. Just hope we can get the o-line situation resolved as well.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 14, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
and the ball was almost batted away and watson was almost tackled.
Watson was being covered by Leon Hall who had very excellent coverage on the play. watched this several times on NFL.com and the ball seemed to be only where Watson could get it. It was high and to Watson’s left shoulder. The important thing about that throw was that Hall had virtually no chance at an INT and Watson didn’t have an extremely difficult catch. I call that a solid throw at minimum
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
no, it was a very not good throw. watson had a step and the seam … hall came over late from the backside, and there was no traffic in front of watson. mccoy should have lead him into the endzone. it was a bad throw, but the result was good, so we’ll call it a wash.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
hall came over late from the backside, and there was no traffic in front of watson. mccoy should have lead him into the endzone.
He did not completely lead Ben Watson into the end zone , but hit Ben Watson in stride. I think the “hall coming over late part” is more of hall having great closing speed and reading the play well. Watson barely slowed down if he slowed down at all.
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
i’m not trying to dwell on the negatives w/ colt here, but in spite of the browns’ radio team going crazy over the throw in this clip, watson has to slow down and jump, and hall almost gets to the ball as it’s thrown a little behind ben’s momentum. not that i’m some kind of expert, but the throw basically should have been to the official standing on the goal line if we’re talking about perfect throws.
also, if hall had read the play well watson wouldn’t have been 10 yards open.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Watson doesn’t slow down until the very end (a step or two before the catch) and it seems to be with Watson’s slowed momentum.
You can read a play badly on the line, but have good closing speed and read the ball well coming out of the QBs hands. This is what Leon Hall did.
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
leon hall did being fast well on this play. period. he was completely fooled.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No way! You want to underthrow both of those throws if you have to err at all. A 40 yard completion is better than an overthrow and incompletion when you could have had 40 yards.
Obviously it would be ideal if you could lay it right in the guy’s breadbasket as he is running in full-stride, but I’ll take either of those throws any day. Not every throw is going to be Tom Brady threading a ridiculous ball in to Welker for a 99 yard score.
FWIW Colt was being chased by a blitzing LB who wasn’t fooled by PA and was unblocked on the throw to Massaquoi. He took a big ol’ hit on that one and was lucky to get that throw off.
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i thought the massaquoi throw was great.
we’ll have to just agree to disagree on the watson throw. obviously, it was “good enough” — so this is probably the height of nitpicking — as the catch was made and the score achieved, but there’s absolutely no way leon hall should have been anywhere in the neighborhood of that ball.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
points to a long season of disappointments.
Really, man? The whole season is doom and gloom now? What do you think the odds are that we have that many penalties/blown plays? I don’t think it’s very high. Maybe not low enough to have a winning record, but certainly not as high as we saw.
With this schedule I really thought that we might have an outside chance for the playoffs this year. Call me crazy but we play a lot of really bad teams. But you have to beat the bad teams to get there and a team like Cincy that played like they did should have been trounced. I’m not really forecasting “gloom and doom” in the sense of a 3 or 4 win season but I think my hopes for the playoffs are pretty dashed at this point. I understand that playoffs is sort of foolish to hope for in the first year of a new coach but I was hoping for some continuity due to Holmgren and some help from the weak schedule.
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who? Indy looks awful, Jacksonville looks bad with the fact that they controlled the time of possession and still almost lost that game. Who looks significantly better unless you want to argue miami? But Henne is not going to be that good, and remember that Daboll schemed last year against the Pats well too. The only team I see as truly looking significantly better (if anyone does) is St. Louis and I wasn’t expecting a win there anyways
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
that doesn’t affect the strength of schedule, that affects the overall strength of the team. two completely different components.
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
if the team is worse, the schedule looks less easy.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The schedule is the same no matter how well the team looks. The teams played don’t get any easier or harder, but the likelihood of winning the games will be more or less depending on how the team is playing. You can still have an easy looking schedule and only expect 5 wins.
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
the strength of schedule may not change, but the relative strength of schedule certainly can … and looks to have this week. the expected value of browns wins went down after this week. period.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the Colts, but Miami, SF, Oakland all looked good this weekend. Jax at least won their game and MJD killed us last year so yeah it looks tougher.
like I pointed out, Daboll looks good vs NE. SF got the benefit of playing a godawful team. Alex Smith is not a good QB, Gore got shut down, Tavaris Jackson is just a turnover machine right now. Jacksonville and Oakland did play divisional rivals, but ones that are significantly worse than them imo and barely scraped out wins.
none of these teams look significantly better, especially since its just one game
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
this is bullshit about “daboll calls good games against NE”. guess who knows daboll pretty well, too … new england. miami is better than people anticipated.
the raiders are very tough. there’s no two ways about it.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I put stock in it.
Daboll was a defensive assistant during his time in NE, and never got any higher than a WR coach. I don’t know how much of a hand he had in game planning with the Pats, but he sure knew what they liked to do.
I’m guessing Miami comes back to earth next week.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 14, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
he last coached for the patriots in 2006. they may have changed up a thing or two since then.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 14, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Its very possible the raiders are tough. There were 4 fumbles by Denver, but I didn’t see whether it was an issue of them not being able to hang onto the ball or whether there were great defensive plays to strip it. This information would be key in the difference between Oakland being really good and denver just being really crappy.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
i watched most of the game, and while the broncos aren’t that good the raiders are absolutely dangerous. campbell looks good, mcfadden is finally the truth, and the defense is rugged. that will be a brutal game for the good guys.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 14, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
mcfadden is really good, no question. Even if those were unforced fumbles, that is still a good D.
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
Jackson had them on point.
Their ground game is sick.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 14, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s all about the battle up front on D. Their secondary is bad outside of Huff. If we can get things blocked, even our receivers should get open. Seymor and company are tough to block.
With their O on the field, it’s about Campbell and our ability to take away their passing game. We will need to focus our resources on stopping the run, which means letting Joe single up on somebody and daring Campbell to make enough great throws to beat us.
That’s what I would go in thinking, anyway.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I really thought that we might have an outside chance for the playoffs this year. Call me crazy
you are crazy
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
With this schedule I really thought that we might have an outside chance for the playoffs this year.
What do you define as outside? I am one of the more optimistic people around here and I wouldn’t have given this team a 5% chance of making the playoffs.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I am an optimist, and you are crazy.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
What do you define as outside? I am one of the more optimistic people around here and I wouldn’t have given this team a 5% chance of making the playoffs. —And other assorted comments.
Really? You thought we had a less than 5% chance or no chance at the playoffs this year? Of the teams on our schedule, other than the Ravens and Steelers only the Seahawks and Indy made the playoffs last year. Both Indy and Seattle seem pretty bad this year. We have one of the easiest schedules you could hope for. I wouldn’t put the Browns chances at 80% or something but I would put them around 50% with this schedule. You never know when another team (see the Steelers) might have an off year too. There is always a chance but after last week, I’m more with you guys.
Brownsyup
I really thought that we might have an outside chance for the playoffs this year. Call me crazyyou are crazy
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 14, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Indy and Seattle both look bad, but Oakland will be competitive, miami is not a cakewalk, and we still have 4 extremely difficult divisional games. who made the playoffs last year isn’t always a clear indication of SoS. Last year, the Bucs and Chiefs didn’t make the playoffs the year before but made our SoS significantly harder and I think the Texans and Raiders have that potential to do also (and the rams)
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yes, I thought I was being optimistic with 7-9. 8-8 was borderline crazy, and we’ll need more than that to get in to the playoffs. I don’t know what you call an “outside chance” because everyone has an outside chance in the NFL, but nowhere close to where we could be legitimately thinking “I like where we are sitting”. I was excited to think that we might be on the BOTTOM of those “AFC playoff picture” graphics.
We’d either need to beat baltimore or pittsburgh out for the division
or
Beat one of them out and be better than all but one of the following:
two of NJY/NE/MIA
two of KC/OAK/SD
or
Be 3rd in the division but better than ALL of the non-division winners.
Even in a down year for Indy, that’s tough.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
before this game, looking at this schedule, 8-8 wasn’t completely crazy if you had faith in this teams ability to have few speed bumps from changing systems.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
8-8 was always crazy and still is. having faith in the team’s ability to have few speed bumps was and is crazier.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 15, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Of the teams on our schedule, other than the Ravens and Steelers only the Seahawks and Indy made the playoffs last year.
If you’re a bad team, it doesn’t matter what teams on your schedule made the playoffs. Not saying we’re horrible, but we’re definitely not good. Your logic about playoff teams and us making the playoffs I am unable to follow.
Mangini apologist by default.
I realize there’s a biiiiig talent gap here, but are the Steelers screwed for the season because they got massacred (heh!) by the Ravens?
Yeah, this loss really really REALLY sucked. I can understand why people are feeling this way, but it was only the first game. If we’re using a first game as an indicator for ALL teams, then Buffalo will be a top offense this year.
With the limited amount of games you play in the NFL you can’t afford to lose one game like this one. Atonement will be this week. If we can beat Indy, which most would have thought unlikely 2 or 3 weeks before the season started, then we could be back on track for a decent season. Seriously, the Browns should have embarrassed Cincy like Buffalo did KC.
I like your comment about the Steelers… prophetic? Is their season over? We can only hope it is so.
Brownsyup
I’m not sure why everyone thinks we couldn’t beat a Manning led Colts when we beat both the Saints and the Pats last year. I think either of them is a tougher out then the Colts.
Anyone can beat anyone, thats the beauty of the NFL. But the thought that anyone will beat anyone is a thing altogether.
If that makes sense
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 14, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Why all the rollouts? Seems obvious to me – the OLine couldn’t protect him in the pocket.
@grantgw - sports and Cleveland and Columbus stuff
by woodsmeister on Sep 13, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
some of those were definitely designed to capitalize on Colt’s athleticism and ability to throw on the run (and mask the deficiencies in height) but some were legitimate running for his life plays.
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
He did not look comfortable in the pocket
What pocket?
Late 3rd quarter and 4th is what is causing all the McCoy blaming and that was when our line was getting owned. When he made the quick passes to TE and receivers dragging across, it was tipped or it got dropped. Simple as that. Sure, he’s short for a QB so he’ll always have more tipped passes than average, but that’s hardly reason to bash him.
Man If our line is going to be owned by the likes of Cincy I pity McCoy when we play the Ravens. I guess we should just forfeit that one. Sure, I’m going to criticize McCoy if I think he performed poorly. He definitely did not bring home the win and I don’t think you can just blame the rest of the team for not blocking, running, getting open, etc. It was not a stellar performance from Colt. The QBR stat shown below is supposed to take into consideration all those factors and McCoy grades out 29th out of 33 on that list. Read up on how it is derived. It is not a good thing to be at the bottom of that list.
Brownsyup
It’s been one week. Roethlisberger, Cassel, Ryan and Sanchez aren’t going to be that low all season. No reason to think Colt’s gonna be that low either.
Well considering his low is lower than their low that’s not reassuring.
Mangini apologist by default.
Nothing about Sunday was reassuring. But for now I’m going to retain my optimism and remember that this was a performance from a rookie head coach in his first game, and a QB in an offensive system that is still a work in progress and temporarily hindered by injuries to to its offensive line. I still expect great thib, but we should all temper our expectations and come to grips with the fact that it is going to take some time for this team to coalesce into a cohesive unit.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 13, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no idea about shurmur, but i have to at least believe that holmgren and heckert are pretty good at this, so i’ll give shurmur the benefit of the doubt for now. i guess he may be good someday.
mccoy i have no doubt will continue to improve. as you’ve pointed out, he is essentially still a rookie, experience-wise, and he’s learning a brand new offense. i just don’t know how much or how fast he’ll get better.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol same
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 13, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing about Sunday was reassuring. But for now I’m going to retain my optimism and remember that this was a performance from a rookie head coach in his first game, and a QB in an offensive system that is still a work in progress and temporarily hindered by injuries to to its offensive line.
I appreciate this sentiment. They will surely get better. I’d be satisfied at this point with a game in the next couple of weeks that doesn’t look like a total disorganized mess from the coaching side. That is the thing that discouraged me the most. Everyone needs to get on the same page. I hope we start to see it in Indy.
Brownsyup
I think most of the bad stuff we saw was all mental and organizational mistakes. Those are a lot easier to fix than pure talent so I am still pretty optimistic we can play with a lot of teams if we clean up the mistakes.
i think our talent is still miles behind most of the league, but i like the direction we’re headed on that front w/ heckert and holmgren at the wheel. i don’t think we can play with most teams this year as far as talent, but we’re headed that way.
the mental mistakes will be crucial to the competitiveness of this team this year.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 14, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think we are as bad as you think we are, though I will admit that Robi is disappointing me bigtime. Still, this is far from the least talented team we’ve had. Our defensive talent in particular surprised me when stacked up against an opponent.
How much this young team learns and improves will determine how good we look—and it starts with Colt.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
the raw talent I think is not bad. Greg Little is an immense talent but hasn’t played football since the 2009 college season. Skrine is talented, but he is is 1-AA player.
There is talent, the talent just needs to be refined and some of these guys need to really learn how to play football
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
the raw talent is still bad, but it’s moving the right way.
learning how to play football would be good for these professional football players.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 15, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
learning how to play football would be good for these professional football players.
no question. thats why there could be many speed bumps this year.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It was not a stellar performance from Colt
This I would certainly agree with. He needs to get to the point where he can settle down in the pocket when getting pressured. I’m hoping that will come with more experience, and with getting the new offense down pat and with his receiver corps now finally taking shape, MoMass back from injury, getting some consistency with who will be lining up in what formations, etc.. (and of course, it also won’t hurt to have some semblance of the right side of an offensive line in front of him one day…)
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 13, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Man If our line is going to be owned by the likes of Cincy
you mean a team that could have one of the better young D-Lines this year? They got 15 sacks in the final 5 games, a lot of that coming from rookies Carlos Dunlap and Geno Atkins (neither of whom actually started a game). With those guys, plus a heathy Domata Peko, they could actually have a very good O-Line.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Michael Johnson is really good too. They are big, tall and fast. It’s a damn good line and people should stop selling them short. Moving Maleuga back to MLB was a good move too. They are young and Zimmer is a good coach so we’ll be seeing them for some time. We need to get used to it.
Johnson is good, but didn’t have the dominant season that Dunlap had.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
you just can’t not argue, huh? i mean, henry is agreeing with you, but you have to correct him on a point he doesn’t even make?
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think their line is great. Dunlap has been very good for them, but I am not impressed by Johnson other than his height and length. Dunlap has been very, very good in a limited amount of time. He’s now got to prove he is consistently good and not Wimbleyesque.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Rain, Rain Go Away: This team cannot play well offensively in the rain. How can we fix that? By praying it doesn’t rain on gamedays, as silly as that sounds. Colt McCoy lost his ability to throw a good ball in the fourth quarter, and the receivers didn’t seem able to hold on to what were potentially catchable passes. It’s almost like the also progression of the game had things going against the Browns left and right.
If Coly can’t play well in weather, Ohio isn’t the place to be.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Yes, it’s a concern. It also seems like none of the quarterbacks we’ve had have done well in “Cleveland” weather, except Kelly Holcomb in the postseason maybe (and that was at Pittsburgh).
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN QBR ratings
Fitzpatrick, Ryan – 91.2
Rodgers, Aaron – 91.1
Brady, Tom – 88.6
Stafford, Matthew – 87.4
Flacco, Joe – 79.6
Newton, Cam – 75.7
Grossman, Rex – 75
Brees, Drew – 71.6
Schaub, Matt – 71
Henne, Chad – 70.7
Vick, Michael – 68.4
Smith, Alex – 66.2
Romo, Tony – 62.9
Hasselbeck, Matt – 62.1
Cutler, Jay – 60.4
Manning, Eli – 53.6
Rivers, Philip – 52.8
Kolb, Kevin – 44
McCown, Luke – 43
Freeman, Josh – 34.7
Gradkowski, Bruce – 32.7
Bradford, Sam – 28.7
Ryan, Matt – 27.7
Dalton, Andy – 27
Jackson, Tarvaris – 21.1
McNabb, Donovan – 20.7
McCoy, Colt – 17.6
Sanchez, Mark – 17.6
Cassel, Matt – 11.2
Roethlisberger, Ben – 10.8
Collins, Kerry – 2.3
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 13, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
Roethlisberger, Ben – 10.8
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 13, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see the mathematical formula to this “QBR” rating.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
There was an hour special on this. It isn’t simply a formula. They actually rank every play the QB makes or doesn’t make and score it in many different aspects. Things like passes defended, fumbles, runs by the QB, etc. are taken into consideration and weighted. There is quite a bit on it at the ESPN site.
Brownsyup
There is quite a bit on it at the ESPN site.
then i will most assuredly know nothing about it…
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know nothing about it and I have been on this supposed site.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Have at it…
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6833215/explaining-statistics-total-quarterback-rating
Brownsyup
Z’d.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 14, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
that doesn’t do crap explaining it honestly. they seem to use WPA which I like, especially since it shows how beastly Petyon manning is (but there is no perfect stat to judge value over what the replacement would be). The problem is the “dividing credit” and “clutch factor”. do they denigrate a QB for a good throw but a great catch? How do you decide clutch factor? Do you give a ton of clutch factor for Gradkowski for that one play? These aspects have a lot of subjectivity which i don’t like mixing with my stats
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
you’re right … it’s very hard to allocate credit in good football plays. does the OL deserve some credit for a good throw/catch for keeping the QB upright?
baseball, obviously, is very binomial. you either get on base or you don’t. the other team sports have much more involved teammates on every repetition.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 14, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, it’s a pretty ridiculous to allow ESPN full discretion over the stat. Basically no one else can replicate it! That’s the genius of it for ESPN and the absurdity of anyone taking it seriously. It’s completely self-promoting.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 14, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
it is, after all, the worldwide leader…
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 14, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. And have you heard they also paid John Hinckley to shoot President Reagan? That was right after they introduced the HIV virus into the human population.
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
it seems like you’re just finding this stuff out, which is weird.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 14, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn’t DN a government employee? He’s probably been brainwashed. He probably doesn’t even know the entirety of the bailout went to bankroll the West Coast edition of Sportscenter.
pawn.
Mangini apologist by default.
They also were in cahoots with the NOAA to orchestrate Hurricane Katrina in a ploy to get good ratings on that Saints-Falcons game after they returned to New Orleans.
Bastards.
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
have you heard about the “landing” on the “moon” by “humans”? all produced in a warehouse in bristol…
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 15, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally this. I want to buy into this stat, but only one of the areas they use (WPA) can be considered “objective” and out of their control (at least if they are deciding to use someone else’s method of calculating it)
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Another note: how is Tavaris Jackson ahead of Colt? he got bailed out by some very good YAC plays (the 4th quarter TD was a lot more his WR than him) and there were several incompletes in key situations where the play was negated b/c of SF penalties.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I watched the entire Browns and Vikings game. There is no possible way McCoy played worse than McNabb. At all.
Back to the drawing board ESPN.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 13, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
great point. mcnabb threw for 39 yards. that is all.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 13, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And he had an INT in his own redzone that lead to a Chargers TD. Lost by 7.
Yet somehow ESPN thinks he was better than McCoy?
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 13, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the new avatar BTW. The last two days have been rough, but your “pick-me-up” fanshot and avatar have definitely put a smile on my face. Well done!
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 14, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
We can all smile with Ward getting jacked up and crying…
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 14, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This rating (according to football reference) can get you in the general ballpark of where a guy played. football-reference has a QB grading stat and they adjusted it to kinda be like Total QBR and they are in the ballpark but there is often a 5 point differential that they chalk up to that “clutch factor”. Colt probably did better than mcnabb, but he definitely did worse than Luke mccown
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
and how many games into the season is it? The fact that Ryan Fitzpatrick is ahead of Rodgers and Brady shows this means nothing other than colt didn’t have a great game.
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your whole argument is a fallacy!
Thank you.....
FINALLY a rational and reasonable look….for a while I thought I was the only person who saw the game the same way Chris just spelled out. To me, it looked like a very young team 2 months into a brand new system against a division rival….AND WE SHOULD HAVE WON!!
I didn’t see the team get manhandled like they have in the recent past. The Browns did not look drastically out-skilled and short handed talent wise…you can’t even say they were out hustled. Hell, as unfortunate as it turned out to be, I LOVED the effort and aggression Greg Little put into that block…..that’s how you F*ckin block!!!
In almost every way, the Browns beat themselves mentally. The 1st Quarter penalty bonanza, missed opportunities in the passing game in 2nd half, and the quick snap play which obviously stunned everyone on the team. It was very much like a boxer getting rung….in a fog, disoriented, a few sloppy punches just hoping something lands….it was not surprise to me when Benson strolled in for a TD practically unnoticed.
The game was painful but I expected some learning pains, they just got a WHOLE bunch of them out in the first game….I just hope they learn quickly and I feel we have a lot of good, smart players. It could have been a lot worse than blowing a winnable game in the final minutes….the Browns could have turned the ball over 7 times, been blown out in humiliating fashion like Indy, KC, and SHITSBURG, have given up 422 passing Yrds to a rookie QB, or have Tony Romo as our QB.
I for one still saw a product that has potential: some nice throws, some tough runs, solid effort by the defense with a couple pro-bowlers roaming around in there ……the biggest issue right now is on the offensive line, they need to find a way to get Colt some time and some throwing lanes. No reason for so many batted balls.
You know… I kinda expected an outcome like this. Not saying that there weren’t some bone headed plays and things like that, but give the team a break. These are guys that have been playing together ask of what? 6 weeks? Brand new coach, brand new offense and defense… And what is the average age of our team? 25? 24? How many guys have had more than 3 years of legit NFL experience? This is a seriously YOUNG team. My thinking is that if I could have set aside my eternal optimism for a little bit, I would have been anticipating a much messier performance. I think by the end of this year we will be very competitive against good teams. But until then, I’m going to keep in mind we are a young team that is going into its 7th week of football, and I will be prepared for a lot of mistakes. BUT the nice thing is we actually have a little bit of talent that could make up for some mistakes. I see some Ws in our future.
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