Browns Likely to be Without Tony Pashos for "a Couple of Weeks"

by Chris Pokorny on Sep 16, 2011 9:49 PM EDT

A couple of days ago, Cleveland Browns offensive line coach George Warhop indicated that right tackle Tony Pashos could be out for several weeks. Head coach Pat Shurmur would not deny Warhop's comment. "We’ll have to see," said Shurmur. "He’s still in the boot and he’s probably going to be out this week. Then I think we’ll just take it week to week, but there is a chance."

The Browns still plan to use a rotation at right tackle this week, but it sounds like Artis Hicks will start the game instead of Oniel Cousins. "We’ll probably start Artis in there, but you’ll see Oniel in there as well," stated Shurmur.

When asked if Pashos had suffered any form of a setback, Shurmur said that he had not and that it just takes time for that type of injury to settle down. Hicks and Cousins better be ready, because they'll likely be lined up against Robert Mathis the entire game. Constant disruption from that side of the line will kill what the Browns are trying to achieving in the West Coast Offense. Hopefully the Browns are able to neutralize Mathis just enough to take advantage of the rest of the Colts' flaws on defense.

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Pretty ironic how 40% of our OL is made up of Pro Bowlers yet it is still one of the biggest weaknesses of the team.

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by johnf34 on Sep 16, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions

Its the nature of the OL position.

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by bross09 on Sep 17, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Would The Joe Thomas please grant his faithful a boon and create a RT in his own image? Perhaps a RG that doesn’t jump off sides from the RT’s rib while he’s at it?

by ouched on Sep 16, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions

According to Shefter, Mathis is questionable.

by Uriah33 on Sep 16, 2011 10:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

Sorry, not Shefter. The new AFCN writer said Mathis didn’t practice and is listed with a “q”.

by Uriah33 on Sep 16, 2011 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

This would be HUGE.

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by rufio on Sep 17, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions

it could change the entire complexion of the game for us.

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by Dawg Nuts on Sep 17, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions

We may catch a break. Hensley at ESPN has Robert Mathis as questionable because of a neck injury.

by ouched on Sep 16, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Nate Ulrich and MKC both tweeted Mathis is listed as “out” this week I think… Along with Gary Brackett. Huge break for our offense.

by shep615 on Sep 16, 2011 11:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

Scratch that, they said he was questionable. Everyone else was right, nothing to see here. Carry on.

… Brackett and Ernie Sims are out, though.

by shep615 on Sep 17, 2011 12:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I’ll take two starting LBs.

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by rufio on Sep 17, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions

THANK YOU! We really needed that.

by johnf34 on Sep 17, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions

oh man, another year of the RT turnstile.

by johnnyphoenix on Sep 17, 2011 12:48 AM EDT reply actions

Can Pashos play in a boot?

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by rufio on Sep 17, 2011 1:18 AM EDT reply actions

A Rams OL (That would be LA Rams) once played with a broken leg.

Do you think with the current dominance of the passing game, and the corresponding emphasis on the Tackles on the OL, the days of the legendary all pro guard (John Hannah springs to mind) are gone? Pretty much all of todays Star OL are LTs, with a few Centers in there I guess.

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by LondonBrown on Sep 17, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Guards might not get the fan or media attention, but there are bound to be more Brian Waterses out there.

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by rufio on Sep 17, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

DL Jack Youngblood played with a broken leg. Bad ass.

by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 18, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Crazier question: Can JT play RT?

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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 17, 2011 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions

At the same time as LT?

Probably.

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by LondonBrown on Sep 17, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Instead of “probably” you should have said “certainly.” You will be pancaked for your doubt.

by scrumm on Sep 17, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions

Yep. R.I.P. LondonBrown.

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by Dawg Nuts on Sep 17, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Freeney vs. Cousins on Colt’s blindside. Sound good?

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by rufio on Sep 17, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Any DE against any of our guards or tackles not named Joe Thomas doesn’t sound good to me. Regardless, my comment was mostly tongue in cheek and of course having JT at LT is gold.

Then again it does seem like Colt seems to be at his best scrambling / rolling out to his right when pressured… also seems like he’s good at “sensing” the pressure from behind.

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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 18, 2011 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions

he’s good at "sensing" the pressure from behind

What pressure from behind? Colt knows, that when on the field, the smell of syrup is a good thing.

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by Villeslgr on Sep 18, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions

As a temp for Pashos? Move Lauvao out, and put Cousins in his slot.

by mooncamping on Sep 17, 2011 5:45 AM EDT reply actions

Anybody know anything about Greco? He’s 10lbs lighter than Hicks and the same height. Is he strictly a guard? He’s been with the team for all of camp and these guys regularly learn multiple positions so why hasn’t he seen any reps? If Hicks and Cousins are not the answer cab Greco be worse?

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by DaveDawg09 on Sep 17, 2011 8:12 AM EDT reply actions

Yea I have also been wondering about Greco. I wonder if they are not starting him because if he starts a game that is how the Rams get a pick of ours.

by nurse13 on Sep 17, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions

Shur says he’s the backup left guard, but I don’t know why that role would take priority over the questionable RT situation unless they think he makes a worse RT than Hicks and Cousins.

by crazyL80 on Sep 17, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Greco could probably move to RT in a pinch. But I don’t know how bad the right side would have to be to try it out. I think it can get worse on the right side, believe it or not.

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by rufio on Sep 17, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions

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by JustPlainBrowns on Sep 17, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Here we go again….

by BrownsFanRegina on Sep 17, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions

So I’m slowly transitioning into the draft a RT with our 2nd or if need be ATL’s 1st camp. I think Pashos retires after this season.

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by North Coast Flea on Sep 17, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions

OL and LB are going to be two high priorities for sure.

by johnf34 on Sep 17, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I could also see us going a)CB or b)WR with our 1st pick. a)Brown isn’t getting any younger, and b)if after this season it’s decided that Colt is the one, they may want to get him a decent WR to throw to.

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by North Coast Flea on Sep 17, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

I doubt we see a CB in our first 3 picks next year. I would think the hope there is that Buster Skrine and Dockery can get to the 2/3 guys next year. If we find ourselves in the top 10 again this year, Id hope we go after a LB. WR and RT next priorities, then S not too far after. And if McCoy turns out to try and imitate BQ then we may have to throw the draft out the window to go after Luck.

by -bobby- on Sep 17, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions

If we were still in a 3-4 I could see us going for a pass rushing LB high in the 1st.

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by North Coast Flea on Sep 17, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Im not saying stretch for it or anything, but I think its certainly something that can put this D up in the top half or top 10 of the league.

by -bobby- on Sep 17, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions

McCoy is already way better than BQ.

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by Dawg Nuts on Sep 17, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Chase Minniefield is Frank’s son, and taller and better. I want him opposite Haden.

by HenryDawg on Sep 17, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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by DaveDawg09 on Sep 17, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Only if we can’t get some variety of Matthews.

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by Dawg Nuts on Sep 18, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions

Or if the opposite decision is made, we could spend it on a QB. Not making predictions, just listing options.

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by rufio on Sep 17, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Never use a first rounder on a LB. Never.

by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 18, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions

Says the guy who wanted to bring in JRuss.

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by North Coast Flea on Sep 18, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions

Didn’t we draft Pinkston to be a RT? Didn’t Greco rate pretty highly for a backup guard last year? Wonder why we haven’t tried Pinkston at RT and Greco at LG. I still with Yates would exit retirement after seeing out situation.

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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 17, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions

Pretty sure Pinkston was projected to be a guard, but I could be wrong. memory is a bit fuzzy from all the lack of football in the off season.

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by North Coast Flea on Sep 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I am fairly certain Heckert has always stated Pinkston is starting out as a G. I never fully understood this because it seems like an easier transition to RT from LT in college. Maybe he was too slow or something? I dont know, but I’d certainly be trying to groom him there.

by -bobby- on Sep 17, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I am fairly hog certain

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by Dawg Nuts on Sep 17, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Heckert might have thought otherwise, but I thought Pinkston was a guard prospect coming out.

It also could have been the case that he had to learn LG right away and not RT as quickly/much in camp. Yates retired, Steinbach got hurt, and he had to go there. They think Pashos will be back for the opener, then he takes a turn for the worse.

So at that point you can either shuffle a rookie to his second position when he’s still making mental mistakes at his first one AND shuffle someone else over to his spot, or you can try to plug the new hole.

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by rufio on Sep 18, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions

I am now sick and tired of wondering about Pashos’s feet every week. How is this guy not on IR already? His is obviously a chronic problem. Get the guy his treatment, open up another roster spot and move on.

There isn’t anybody in this great country of ours that can play RT for us? The schedule only gets tougher the deeper we go into the season.

On the other hand, maybe we’re trying to nurse him through to December when it’s so damn cold he won’t be able to feel his feet anyway.

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by JustPlainBrowns on Sep 17, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

On the other hand, maybe we’re trying to nurse him through to December when it’s so damn cold he won’t be able to feel his feet anyway.

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by Brownie's Year on Sep 17, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Right Tackle crisis

has been going on since Tucker’s end. Of course when Tucker was in his prime, we had the LT crisis.

It is really simple: You build a OL: LT-C-RT and THEN fill in the guards. If those 3 positions aren’t sound, it will effect the entire offense.

by Johnnypronto on Sep 17, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions

Well, baring Pinkston matures properly, the only young piece we’re missing for an amazing line is RT.

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by SpecialBrownie on Sep 17, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree, but it seems to be slowng the progress of the entire offense. We’ll see how they do this week, but it is a definite concern that Pashos is hurt often.

by SBP on Sep 17, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions

People are making a bigger deal out of it than it should be. We see Colt running around back there and immediately blame RT, when it isn’t always coming from that position and almost all of the time Colt is hanging on to the ball too long/not finding anyone open.

We threw it 40 times and the RT pass pro was a disaster maybe 5 of those times. Does it hurt us? Yes. But it’s not going to undermine everything we try to do.

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by rufio on Sep 18, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

While it has been very distressing seeing our o-line problems I agree. I think the bigger problem with our offense (to this point) has been the fact that our offense is still coming together in terms of Colt’s timing with the receivers in the routes specific to the new offense, MoMass coming back just recently from injury, etc. etc. Of course it would be great if we can get to the point where Colt has lots of time in the pocket every play, but I believe once the passing offense / timing, etc. “gels” and Colt starts getting more comfortable in the pocket (the former + experience will help with the latter) he should be able to start getting the ball out quicker we should start to see the offense click. That’s my hope anyway.

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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 18, 2011 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions

Mine too. Only thing that worries me is the ability of the WRs. Can’t get the ball out in rhythm if no one is open. Colt will get quicker with getting the ball out.

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by rufio on Sep 19, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions

Lauvao looked lost a lot last week. I don’t think we should count on either of our young guards.

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by notthatnoise on Sep 18, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions

I’m not saying they will be dominant, but I think we can afford to wait and see a little more at those positions. And/or use those 4th/5th round picks at G. Lauvao needs to be more consistent with his pad level and not being too aggressive and overextending, but I think he can be solid for us. Not exactly a premium position, either.

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by rufio on Sep 19, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions

RE: Right tackle

I was afraid of this. Pashos has missed many more games in the last three seasons than he’s played in. So ….. I’m pretty sure Mr. Holmgren has already notified Mr. Heckert: “Tom, job one next year is a young stud RT, even if it takes one of our first round picks to get it done. Just get ’er done!”

by Wyoming Chas on Sep 18, 2011 12:46 AM EDT reply actions

Pashos,is a drain on this team. forget about him, GO ALL OUT WITH WHAT WE HAVE.. This guy is never going to help OUR Browns. Cut him, and just do the best we can.

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by dawginhouston on Sep 18, 2011 3:53 AM EDT reply actions