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Poll: How Was the Right Tackle Situation Against Indy?

The Cleveland Browns just picked up their first victory over the season against the Indianapolis Colts, and quarterback Colt McCoy survived Indianapolis' defensive end duo of Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis.

A huge concern heading into the came was how the right tackle situation would pan out for the Browns. They were set to go with a rotation of Artis Hicks and Oniel Cousins again, but Cousins saw most of the action after the first quarter. Head coach Pat Shurmur explains his take on how things went down at the position:

"I think they both played about the way we expected them to," Shurmur said. "Oniel is probably bigger and more physical, and Artis is probably a little quicker on his feet. They both showed up in a way we thought. Neither one of them probably played much better than the other, but I feel good about the progress they're making."

McCoy was sacked once during the game, but that actually came from Joe Thomas' side early in the game. Mathis was limited to just one quarterback hit for the entire game. The stats don't tell everything though, because disruption from the right side of the line can hurry throws or hurt the running game. Let us know what you saw Sunday from the right tackle position -- was it "good enough" to make you feel any more comfortable at the position?

Note: this is an open discussion poll, not a voting poll.

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Well, we didnt particularly notice them… thats about as good as we’re gonna get from this dynamic duo.

by johnnyphoenix on Sep 19, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

…also, neither one of them is named St. Clair. So there’s that, too.

by johnnyphoenix on Sep 19, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, in my game review, I’m going to say, “at least it’s not ‘St. Clair against Dumervil’ bad.”

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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 19, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overall: pretty average at best.
Compared to last week: OMG best line ever!

"Quote goes here."

by Adrock2099 on Sep 19, 2011 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. The fact they didn’t give up any official stats like sacks made me feel like we had Joe Thomas playing both sides after last week.

Even Doug Dieken admits Joe Thomas is the real #73

by Doc's Kid on Sep 19, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they didn’t give up a sack, and we won the game, I’d say they were serviceable. However, I remain worried and feel it will be one of our biggest concerns until April 2012. I’d go so far as to say how those 2 guys progress will be one of the top 3 determining factors in how the season plays out overall.

Resident Tim Couch Apologist.

by Dawg Nuts on Sep 19, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I was at the game, and the line seemed to do about average against two great pass rushers. McCoy helped them out a lot, except for the one sack, by scrambling out of the pocket. He definitely had to hurry some throws.

I’d say the bigger concern would be run blocking. I noticed some comments on the instant recap on Hillis’s poor yards per carry average. He kept getting hit behind the line, and literally dragged everyone with him for two or three yards. All the Colts fans around me were impressed by his tenacity.

Overall, if Heckert picked up a RT early in the next draft I wouldn’t complain.

by BiggieBrown on Sep 19, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I would give Cousins an edge over Hicks simply because he was there for both of Hillis’ touchdown runs (yes I know Hillis ran to the left on both of those)- point being Cousins was there on productive plays.

by BornAKardiacKid on Sep 19, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m anxious to see what Rufio has to say after his second viewing. My DVR was full.

What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?

by DaveDawg09 on Sep 19, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

So far Cousins has looked slightly better. Hicks hurt us down near the goal line with a hold, but we ended up scoring with the Moore TD. Neither have been put on their back yet, so that’s progress. Not finished with the tape yet, though.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 19, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If a lineman is put on his back would that be considered a waffle?

I really don’t really think... - Tom Heckert

by North Coast Flea on Sep 20, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this one. Just saw Cousins get beaten badly by Mathis, who was out at a wide-9 technique. Cousins couldn’t even lay a hand on him. Luckily, McCoy escaped and ran for a huge 1st down against man coverage.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 20, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was more concerned that we ran the ball only OK. I really was waiting for Hardesty to come in and give a change of pace, with quicker cuts, etc. and see if he could contribute. i was disappointed to see when and how he was used…but i am very encouraged that Shurmur recognized and acknowledged that he wasn’t used correctly, that tells me that he is learning and also that he wants to use Hardesty more. I am hoping for around ten carries a game for at least a while…..what does everyone else think the carry ratio should be? probably depends on how each is doing.

Every day may not be good, but there's something good in every day.

by allsides on Sep 19, 2011 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I think 10 carries a game for hardesty would be great. It would take a load off of hillis and keep him healthier for hopefully the whole season. I do not want to see Hillis get wore down like he did last year. I also think if we use Hardesty correctly he could be another threat but it is hard to get any sort of momentum at running back with only 2-3 carries a game.

by nurse13 on Sep 19, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think part of it was that we were just banging away at running the ball, even if the defense had us outnumbered.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Sep 19, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem is we can’t bang away at only the left side without becoming too predictable. Whenever we run to the right, it’s like an automatic loss of down.

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra

by JustPlainBrowns on Sep 19, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am noticing this. They played a lot of 8 in the box when we had 7, and we continued to run it. More on this later.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 19, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume that as Colt becomes more comfortable with the offense this is something he’ll be able to check out of.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Sep 20, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the sake of Bernie Kosar’s mental health, I hope so.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 20, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cousins was looking decent to good when I saw him in; Artis was getting destroyed.

Also, JT sack wasn’t entirely his fault.

Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 19, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, JT sack wasn’t entirely his fault.

This will earn you a half pancake. I’m not sure how that will work, but Joe Thomas knows.

Resident Tim Couch Apologist.

by Dawg Nuts on Sep 20, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I earned 180° of pancake? But I can’t skateboard!

Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 20, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was very impressed with pass protection. That was actually my biggest fear coming into the game- Getting destroyed by Mathis and Freeney. I was blown away that Colt only got sacked once, and it wasn’t much of a O-line blunder that caused it. I do think Colt made the right side look better by moving around well and avoiding the sack at times, but I still think Hicks and Cousins did a very good job overall in pass protection.

Run game? Not so much. I know Shurmur said he wishes he could have gotten more touches for Hardesty, but I think it was good that he didn’t get so many carries. As long as our O-line is run blocking like they did on Saturday (especially the right side) we can’t afford to have Hardesty in critical times in the game (to run the ball, anyway). Hillis can plow through people behind the line and turn plays into positive yardage that I think Hardesty would’ve turned into losses. Nothing against the kid, but Hillis is just such a beast that he can still average 3.5 with our right side run blocking like they did. I don’t think Hardesty is there yet.

Good pass protection, bad run blocking. Hopefully they get better with run blocking.

by shep615 on Sep 19, 2011 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

My initial reaction regarding Hicks/Cousins was positive because my expectations were so low going into the game. I agree that the run blocking was sub par as a whole, not just at RT. I did like how Colt moved up and around the pocket; developing that sense of navigation of the pocket is going to be an important skill moving forward, good pass protection or not.

by chitown browns fan on Sep 20, 2011 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

rec

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on Sep 20, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

good stuff. rec.

Resident Tim Couch Apologist.

by Dawg Nuts on Sep 20, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shurmur’s assessment is on the sunny side, in my view. I also don’t agree with people above who think Cousins did any better. Consider these plays:

- In the first touchdown drive in the second quarter (a few plays before the TD to Evans), Hicks got badly beaten by Mathis, forcing McCoy to run right and throw incomplete at the last second to Marecic

- A couple plays later, he drew the holding penalty by grabbing Jamaal Anderson, who had a clear line to McCoy.

- On a 3rd and 12 toward the end of the third quarter, Hicks got beat badly, pushing McCoy out of the pocket. He forced a throw to Momass on the run. It was incomplete, setting up a punt on the next play.

- Early in the fourth, Hicks again almost allowed a sack. Nonetheless, McCoy was able to thread it through defenders to an open Little across the middle.

…and that’s just Hicks.

- On the long throw to Momass that set up the second TD, Cousins (and Pinkston) didn’t take care of their men, making the throw that much tougher for McCoy. Luckily he put it in accurately on the run.

- When McCoy rushed for 9 yards near the beginning of the second half (and right before the Hillis fumble), he was almost sacked on the play because of Cousins’ poor blocking.

- During the drive after the Colts kicked their first FG of the second half, Cousins allowed Mathis to go to McCoy unblocked, forcing a quick throw to Hillis near the sideline. He immediately got taken down for a one-yard loss.

- In the red-zone drive after Young’s interception (which ended in a field goal), Cousins let Pat Angerer run right past him on 3rd and Goal to put pressure on McCoy, forcing a throw in the corner of the endzone to Alex Smith, who caught it out of bounds. If Cousins hadn’t blown that one, we might have had a TD instead of an FG.

- On a 1st and 10 during the Browns’ next possession, McCoy ran a play-action and dropped back but was forced to roll right because Cousins couldn’t contain Jamaal Anderson. He still made a nice throw right on target to Marecic for 9 yards.

People might say that, well, these guys at least didn’t allow any sacks. And yes, they didn’t. But I’d attribute that less to their effectiveness in containing the defense than to McCoy’s ability to get the ball away when he needed to – and sometimes make some accurate throws under pressure.

by batard on Sep 20, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

no one said they were impressive.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Sep 20, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shurmur seems to “feel good” about the progress they’re making. I don’t think we’ve seen enough of that – not that we have a ton of other options. And clearly the run blocking was not strong, although Hillis had a lot of touches and put up respectable numbers.

by batard on Sep 20, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well they were lightyears ahead of the cinch performanc, so as far as that goes, I feel good about thier progress too. If they make jumps half that big week to week, well be alright.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Sep 20, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

no one said they were impressive any good.

fixed

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra

by JustPlainBrowns on Sep 20, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, profootballfocus grades them poorly, even giving their game ball to Mathis for consistent disruption of our offense throughout.

It also mentions that Pinkston struggled pretty badly. I shudder to think about what the situation would look like if Mack or Thomas missed any time.

I think we are viewing the line as having played more favorably this week, and they probably did improve a little, but I think the biggest difference was actually that both the playcalling and especially McCoy were better in dealing with it, making it appear not as big of a deal.

by TKilbane on Sep 20, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed…Cousins and Hicks were worse than Pinkston, but Pinkston missed at least two or three assignments, which is pretty bad. He also had a false start.

by batard on Sep 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

profootballfocus grades them poorly, even giving their game ball to Mathis for consistent disruption of our offense throughout.

At least as a consolation, the scoreboard gave its gameball to us…

Resident Tim Couch Apologist.

by Dawg Nuts on Sep 20, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose. It’s pretty hard to enjoy the win though while sitting on pins and needles waiting for the profootballfocus game ball to be doled out days later and not knowing whether it’ll go to someone on our team.

by TKilbane on Sep 20, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

fwiw, one of the best songs of the 60s.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Sep 20, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curious about when we’ll actually see Pashos make his first start.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 20, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

don’t hold your breath

by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 20, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

2012 and not for us.

by SBP on Sep 20, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a charity event featuring retired players.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 20, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We saw Pashos make his first start against Cincinnati.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Sep 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol no we didn’t.

Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 21, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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