IS JOE HADEN THE 2ND BEST CORNER IN THE AFC?

by ClevelandRock5 on Sep 28, 2011 8:53 AM EDT

I'm really not trying to be a homer here (and I'm sure i'm failing) but I can't think of anyone besides Revis i'd rather have than Haden. Other names that come to mind immediately are Antonio Chromartie and Cortland Finnegan, but I just dont' think either of them are as good. Chromartie is a physical specimen designed to guard a particular type of WR (he's perfectly built to guard Randy Moss - the only person who is as tall and as fast as Randy) but he's not as elite in coverage as Haden. Thoughts?

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I'd say he's after

Asomugha, Revis, and Ike Taylor.

Yes, Chris Johnson has broken more tackles than Adrian Peterson in 2009 and in 2010

by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Sep 28, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions

first off, asomugha is in the NFC (along with most of the top corners in the NFL)

Ike Taylor is pretty mediocre, I don’t see that.

by ClevelandRock5 on Sep 28, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Chill, he probably thought asomugha was still in the raiders. Or something

by lightninmcqueen on Sep 28, 2011 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

forgot about that

i forgot he went to the Eagles, i’m thinking he’s on the raiders.

and i heard ike taylor has only 1 pass completed on him for 7 yards

Yes, Chris Johnson has broken more tackles than Adrian Peterson in 2009 and in 2010

by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Sep 28, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions

and i heard ike taylor has only 1 pass completed on him for 7 yards

If that’s true, the nod would have to go to Ike Taylor.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Sep 28, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions

The only reason is probably because opposing QBs are almost guaranteed to complete a pass vs Willy Gay so don’t even bother to throw against anyone else.

by crazyL80 on Sep 28, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions

*through three games and not accounting for any other circumstances.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Sep 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Ike Taylor is very good, he just can’t catch.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 28, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions

Ike Taylor was very good. He is now serviceable.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Sep 28, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Ike Taylor? The guy whos never been to a probowl?

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Sep 28, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

>implying that matters

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Sep 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Its certainly interesting that even in the peak of his career, he couldn’t find his way to Hawaii.

He’s playing well so far this season, so we’ll see how it goes, especially this week against Andre Johnson, but I think in run support, in generating turnovers, etc, he leaves a lot to be desired. He’s just real good in coverage. I’m not convinced he’s better than Joe in coverage.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Sep 28, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Might I add… Joe Haden has never been to a pro-bowl either.

by shep615 on Sep 28, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Fair enough, but in 8 years that wont be true.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Sep 28, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions

In 5 months I dont think it will be true.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 30, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Pro Bowls are voted on and probably driven by interceptions. Ike Taylor has never been an INT guy, because as I mentioned before, he cannot catch. The Pro Bowl thing is meaningless in my eyes.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 28, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions

The pro bowl is a popularity contest

Who ever gets the most votes gets in

Yes, Chris Johnson has broken more tackles than Adrian Peterson in 2009 and in 2010

by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Although the relevance of having been to the pro bowl is not great, your statement is not accurate. In the NFL, fan votes are not a high percentage. Coach and player votes are what really count. Thus getting to the pro bowl is a sign of respect from people who know, not a fan popularity contest like in the NBA and MLB.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Sep 29, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s still pretty much a popularity contest, only it’s of your peers. Unless you play them, coaches and players don’t have time to watch film on others to make their vote nor do they have time to ask around and take their vote too seriously. There votes are based about as much on hearsay and SC as casual fan votes are. Honestly, the fact JT has made it every single year he’s been in the league is due to rep, not people sitting down and watching all the other LTs in the game to make a correct vote.

Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 29, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 30, 2011 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs

This is quite appropriate, he’s been playing with fire all week.

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by Dawg Nuts on Sep 30, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Told you, hot, sticky pain. You’re just jealous I get to see JT on a daily basis.

And I get free pancakes.

Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 30, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions

I bet they know you by name at the hospital.

I really don’t really think... - Tom Heckert

by North Coast Flea on Sep 30, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions

at the ~~hospital~~
at the funeral home

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 30, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

For implying that Joe Thomas isn’t fast enough to pancake you without you seeing him do it, you will be pancaked again.

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by Dawg Nuts on Sep 30, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

True story: I had to pick my daughter up from daycare today – she’s 3 – and I asked her what she wanted for dinner. She said, “Pancakes”. We went to IHOP.

by chitown browns fan on Sep 30, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Haden is easily the best run support for an elite corner in the league. He’s the most complete corner, even if he’s not a guaranteed shutdown on the edge.

by rebuilding year on Sep 28, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions

So far this year he’s probably played as well as any corner in the league including Revis and Nnamdi who have given up big plays. Haden hasn’t given up anything.

by HenryDawg on Sep 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions

It’s worth mentioning, the play where they were not ready is still something they gave up. It was Joe’s guy that scored. Obviously, the whole unit, including the coaching staff, is responsibl. I’d never pin that play on him, but “gave up nothing” is not entirely true.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Sep 28, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Forgot about that one.

by HenryDawg on Sep 28, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions

No. Haden is the best.

Next question.

by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 28, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs

Right. I’m not sure how this warranted 20 comments.

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by Dawg Nuts on Sep 28, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions

silly question.

although he will square off against: Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, (mike Wallace?), and there were a few more big names (Sidney Rice).

If he plays like he did this past weekend, he’ll certainly make a name for himself.

"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping

by discoinferno083 on Sep 28, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions

he held Brandon marshall to 3 catches on 6 targets. The biggest catch marshall got was against a Zone where Haden wasn’t even in the vicinity

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Sep 28, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Is this the Chromartie you were talking about?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Sep 28, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

a. haden is clearly the best.

if any of revis, champ bailey, johnathan joseph, the one guy in jax (mathis?), devin mccourty, or cromartie argued with “a” it’s just b/c they’re a-holes.

by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 29, 2011 2:33 AM EDT reply actions

shite … the bolded part was supposed to just be # “b”

by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 29, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions

Hayden.

Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 29, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions

Hayden?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Sep 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

SB wins. That is all.

Resident Tim Couch Apologist.

by Dawg Nuts on Sep 29, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I posted the pic and I approve this message.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Sep 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Not sure if serious or just trollin'

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Sep 29, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

kinda just trolling. new star wars sucks

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Sep 29, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

who is this?

"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping

by discoinferno083 on Sep 29, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

reply fail to Special Brownie

"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping

by discoinferno083 on Sep 29, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Hayden Penetteire.

Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 30, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions

tell me more.

"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping

by discoinferno083 on Sep 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

She was the cheerleader on heroes, and is easily one of the 10 hottest women alive. (obviously a taste call, dont argue with me because im right) She’s a bad, bad, girl.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 30, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions