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The Sunday Five: Up Next? Cincinnati and the Regular Season

"The Sunday Five" is a loosely-titled piece where I talk about five NFL- or Browns-related topics related to this past week. This might be the final edition of "The Sunday Five" until the season is over, because Sunday mornings will be reserved for some pre-game notes, weather reports, the gameday thread, etc. I am thinking of moving the column to either Friday or Saturday during the regular season. In today's edition, we look forward to the start of the regular season.

Bullet_mediumNext week, the Cleveland Browns will kick off their regular season against the Cincinnati Bengals. In past years, I have witnessed young quarterbacks like Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco have breakout games against the Browns. I don't know what I'll do it Andy Dalton is able to pick up a victory over the Browns. I think the Bengals are the worst team in the NFL and should be a pretty easy victory for whoever faces them. I will be attending this game at the stadium in the nosebleed seats, but I hope I get to feel the energy of the crowd as the Browns successfully operate their West Coast Offense.

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Bullet_mediumThere weren't any surprises when the Browns named their 53-man roster, but I almost always expect one or two new players to be brought in to camp. If the Browns plan on pursuing a veteran linebacker, the first cut will be Benjamin Jacobs. If they plan on adding another offensive lineman or a defensive lineman, either Pat Murray or Scott Paxson will be the first to go. There is an outside chance the Browns could go after a running back too, and while keeping four running backs isn't out of the question, I think they would just waive Armond Smith. It'll be interesting to see who makes the practice squad, which should be announced pretty soon.

Bullet_mediumWe're probably sold on Richmond McGee as our punter, but it's still good to see who is available. One person who isn't available is Dave Zastudil, who after two punts that average 47.5 yards per punt in the final preseason game, won a job with the Cardinals over veteran Ben Graham. Regarding Zastudil, head coach Ken Whisenhunt said, "Dave has a body of work that we’re familiar with. Punting in the AFC North, in those conditions, being a successful punter -- that was part of the information we had going in. We needed to see him actually do it in a game for us, and he was impressive. That went a long way in answering some of our questions."

Graham was praised for his 2009 season and wasn't terrible in 2010, but reports say that poor hang time and ability to change field position as of late forced the change in Arizona. The Lions also released veteran punter Nick Harris, who has been with the team for the past eight years. Harris might be the best guy available on the market, since he wasn't released for performance reasons: "Jim [Schwartz] told me that it wasn't based on performance," Harris said. "But it was two things: It was my contract and the fact that I'm 33 years old. They're looking to get younger and cheaper." Other released punters include Brad Maynard (Texans) and Jeremy Kapinos (Steelers).

Bullet_mediumThe Browns only chose to keep two quarterbacks on their roster. If I understand the new rule that allows there to be 46 active players (as opposed to 45 + 1 somewhat active quarterback), the team would still need to designate someone as a third quarterback. I think they could go with either Joshua Cribbs or Jordan Norwood if it came down to officially designating someone with that title. That means only seven players would be inactive on game day. My early guesses for Week 1 include WR Carlton Mitchell, TE Jordan Cameron, OL Pat Murray, DL Scott Paxson, DL Auston English, S Eric Hagg, and DB James Dockery.

Bullet_mediumOne of the big "unknowns" that remains is how Pat Shurmur is going to use his receivers. I think there is no doubt that Benjamin Watson, Evan Moore, and Peyton Hillis will be very involved in the offense. At wide receiver, if Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie start, how often are you able to get guys like Jordan Norwood and Greg Little into the game? Don't forget about Joshua Cribbs either. We have a logjam at the position of guys who offer different strengths, and how Shurmur decides to utilize each talent could end up being a big difference maker in the long run.

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I don’t know what I’ll do it Andy Dalton is able to pick up a victory over the Browns

I think Dalton is going to surprise most people. Before the draft I mentioned a couple of times, and still believe he was/is the best QB prospect from the draft – aside from Cam Newton (who is the classic “boom or bust?” type of QB IMO).
Also – going to be interesting to see how the Carson Palmer saga plays out next week – last I’ve heard is he may show up (to force Mike Brown’s hand…), but I’ve also heard (here’s one source) there have been recent talks between the two…

Can’t believe football is just one week away. I’m stoked!

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 4, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to make you jealous buddy – but had the all you can eat at Salt Lick and then the Rice opener was a great atmosphere. Some bright spots and some question marks for Horns – but the youngest team I can remember.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Sep 4, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like they got off to a slow start but got in a rhythm late – also sounds like Gilbert did pretty well. At any rate, good to start things off with a win at home. Definitely would have loved to be there.

Don’t worry about making me jealous – I’ll be headed down there in a couple of months and plan to get my fill. You definitely just made me hungry though thinking about Salt Lick. Had some pretty good Mexican food last night believe it or not. There’s a place in Durham, NC that serves up some respectable enchilada plates and a great Margarita.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 4, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

the youngest team I can remember.

I think you guys played more true freshmen than anyone else in the nation, maybe. I think we played the 3rd most.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 4, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are hellacious freshmen – but with that much youth – I don’t have my heart set on a BCS bid. Looks like Buckeyes got off to great start.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Sep 5, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really do think the Buckeyes defensive line is good enough to win the national championship.

by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe our defense could be better without Torrence, Homan, Chekwa, and especially Heyward.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 6, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, interested to see how they match up against Wisco, who’s line looks like one of/the best in the nation again. Miami’s is highly rated and big, but I am not sure they are all that good.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 6, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was solid, but it was Akron. Toledo might be a slightly bigger challenge, but we won’t know much about this team until we play better teams. I am not sure Miami qualifies. Nebraska and Wisconsin do.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 6, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Dalton is going to be horrible. If he plays decently in year 1, that will be a surprise to me.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 4, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Palmer wont be back

Don’t believe the media hype. I would be shocked if he comes back and if he does he will be a Cincinnati Bengal. Carson hold no cards in this poker game and he knows it. I see Mike Brown trading him before the draft next season when teams are desperate for a QB. The players were locked out prior to this draft so teams couldn’t talk to him anyway. Mike Brown will make a example out of him. We are split in two camps on the Palmer issue trade or let rot.

Mike Brown made him the highest paid player in the league, yep more than Peyton and Brady until Brady signed his deal last season, that doesn’t sit well with a lot of fans.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990
Twitter @Rcklarue

by Yarin on Sep 6, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

For what it’s worth, I think Carson needs shut up and suit up. I think Mike Brown looks bad because of previous history only. A team can’t in anyway allow a player to hold them hostage like Carson tried to do. Especially a struggling one.

Mangini apologist by default.

by Villeslgr on Sep 7, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I strongly disagree with this. Palmer is a free man. If he doesn’t want to stay in Cincinnati, he should do whatever the hell he pleases. Business is a dog eat dog world and the business of football is certainly no exception. Football owners have no qualms about cutting and trading players like cattle. Contracts are not sacred pacts written in stone. They are documents written up by lawyers that are negotiated, broken and re-written every day in every industry.

Players should embrace the concept of free agency (both literally and figuratively), as should individuals in the work force in any other profession who have the intelligence and wherewithal to pave their own path in life.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 7, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not exactly where I was going with my comment. I agree players have the right to do what they please, within the financial environment of today’s NFL. However, Palmer isn’t worried about his getting a contract, he’s trying to force Brown to trade him. Brown doesn’t have to do that.

I disagree that Mike Brown should get shit because he’s wanting to bow down to Palmer.

Mangini apologist by default.

by Villeslgr on Sep 7, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Palmer isn’t trying to “hold anyone hostage”. He just doesn’t want to play in Cincinnati any more.
At some point Mike Brown will have to come to grips with the fact that Palmer is a free man and will do what he wants to do.

Mike Brown “gets shit” because he’s been in denial and is too stubborn to accept the fact that the contractual document Palmer signed six years ago can’t be used as a straight jacket to control the destiny of Carson Palmer.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 7, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sunday Fifth

That last point might be the thing I’m most interested in seeing take form over the first quarter of the season. The rookie status of Little and Norwood suggests they will see less snaps than the rest, but would anyone be surprised if Massaquoi or Robiskie underperform? With Cribbs looking like a true receiver instead of a convert these days, Moore practically being a receiver, Little having #1 upside, and Norwood looking like a prototypical west coast slot receiver, I wouldn’t be.

by John_W_McEwers on Sep 4, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

And then it’s all down hill on Thursday…I’m going to miss you wearing my favorite avatar.

Only thing manlier than football? Ponies.

by BrownDawg1409 on Sep 4, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope whoever wears the Rivers avatar of shame next, hates him as much as I do.

by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to find a bet

Mangini apologist by default.

by Villeslgr on Sep 5, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s kind of a shame; we won’t recognize you, and will have to start taking you seriously again.

Resident Tim Couch Apologist.

by Dawg Nuts on Sep 6, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing the second part of that will never be true.

by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 6, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should have snatched Jordan Palmer to reignite the rivalry, we chickened out.

by mooncamping on Sep 5, 2011 5:14 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I am a Bengals fan (peace!) I wouldn't wish Jordam Palmer on my worst enemy

BTW the worst enemies aren’t the Browns. They are third behing the ravens and Steelers. Good luck on the injury front this Sunday. The key for us IMO is holding Hillis to under 75 yds or so as I don’t think anyone can really stop him the way he is running lately.

Don’t take us lightly. I favor you a bit on the matchup Sunday but IMO we are better than many may think. If you play less than the best you can – you could very well lose this game – but I think you are the better team right now. I only wish we played you in the 3rd or 4th game so we have some time to work out this young players jitters.

Again, good luck on the injury front and lets see what the Ohio teams can do to take the Steelers and Ravens down a notch or two. There is plenty of time for us to renew the bitterness of the rivalry but lets save it for the Ohio race for the division title. No hate here – just hopes for good competitive football. See ya Sunday. – JJ

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Sep 6, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the post, JJ. I really think the Browns should win, but I worry about our ability to contain runs to the outside and screens. Do you think Dalton will be able to keep his cool when Taylor comes ripping through the line?

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill

by JustBob on Sep 6, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't know Bob I have only seen him in preseason, but....

the one thing that I am impressed with his ability to stay cool, for a rookie. In our first game against the Lions, Suh, possible one of the most, if not the most intimidating and just plain mean DLs in the NFL got to him a couple of times and abused Dalton so bad he got a big fine. It was his first game as a rookie, made worse by the fact that there no OTAs this year and he just kept standing in there and working it. I am not so sure I am that worried about one guy so much as he is a very mobile QB. The Oline is not a stellar one but the Jets gave us a lot of complicated looks and blitzes and they couldn’t get hands on Dalton. Dalton has a seriously talented troop of receivers including McCoy’s favorite target in Texas, Jordan Shipley and Benson has a history of running well against the Browns.

Taylor is certainly a beast and this is live fire for the first time and Dalton will no doubt be excited and nervous. McCoy has things to be concerned with as well. Our pass rush with M. Johnson and Dunlap and Malaluga, who seems to be coming into his own at MLB will give your Oline plenty of work to do with Steinbach out.

But, like I said, I think you guys have the edge as we have too many new parts and young guys to expect them to play mistake free ball – which we will need to do if we expect to win. Like everyone else I worry most about Hillis, though our run D is probably the strongest single facet of out team. Nobody stops Hillis. The most we can hope to do is try to hold him to 65-75 yards and keep him out of the end zone. That is a tall order, I know but if he gets real momentum our slim chances dwindle to zero pretty rapidly.

I am not one of those Bengals fans that hate the opponents. Yea, I want to beat you – big time. But, its only a game. I don’t visit other boards to talk smack. Any pointed headed nit wit can do that. I want to talk football.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Sep 6, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I second this.

You guys are about to meet the best defensive line you will see all year. I know who plays in our division, but I will still stand up and say it. Nobody talks about them, we are the Bengals after all. No Carson and no Ocho = bad team, just ask the media talking heads.
Just like JJ said, Dalton is a cool customer. He won’t overwhelm anyone but he will frustrate teams to death. He threw 3 picks but none in the last two games, two in the monsoon against the Jets and one on his very first pass in the NFL.
It should be an interesting game and I look forward to the start of the season, good luck and stay healthy.

BTW: Phil Taylor is a monster, loved his play at Baylor. He is a good one.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990
Twitter @Rcklarue

by Yarin on Sep 6, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to be able to say that I want Dunlap and Johnson to take Colt's head off, but

I actually think McCoy is a good guy and a good QB.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Sep 7, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dalton

In 2010 I predicted before the draft that Clausen and Tebow would both be busts.
This year I’m the only one on this board who has said I believe Dalton was the best of the crop from the draft (albeit a weak QB draft class overall). Dalton has a tall order in Cinci, but he does have some nice weapons at his disposal (Shipley, Green and company), but any rookie QB who is thrown into the starting role from day one is always in for a rough ride that first year.

McCoy is essentially still a rookie if you take into account the fact that he has played only eight games (with zero prior preparation in 2010 preseason) and had a new coach and new offensive system thrown at him this year (not to mention the lockout…). I figure both McCoy and Dalton will get a stiff test on Sunday – it does appear you guys have a pretty solid D-line.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 7, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am curious, is it true that you have lost two starting Oline guys?

Steinbach and who your RG or RT? I have heard both I think. Sorry I am not as familiar with the Browns roster. Hell, it is hard enough to keep up with The Bengals roster with all of the changes and you guys are in a similar situation. Lots of changes as well. Man this first game will be a test of the teams just being able to runs smoothly and adjust to all of the changes.

I really wish that this game was our 3rd or 4th game. This is too important of a game to ride on scheming and test drive adjustments. The better team could lose based on minor scheme problems and lack of timeing, especially with the short training cycle. I don’t think divisional games should ever be the first game of the season as the teams are really just tuning up their engines.

I have several Browns fan friends and we will all be at my house for opening weekend. At least half of us will be happy whoever wins. Chili, wings, ribs, pizza and beer – hell there won’t any losers – not really.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Sep 7, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Steinbach (starting LG) is out for the season with a back injury. Pashos (starting RT) is in a walking boot this week, but according to the latest from coach Shurmur it is “just a sore foot” and he is fully expected to play Sunday. Depth is a major concern in several areas for the Browns, o-line included.

Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.

by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 7, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am looking forward to seeing Phil Taylor flatten Dalton.

by SBP on Sep 5, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll be making the trip to my first Browns game this weekend! I’m pretty excited, as you could imagine, any good spots nearby for food/drink?

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by Andrew Tolliver on Sep 6, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Congratulations man.

I really don’t really think... - Tom Heckert

by North Coast Flea on Sep 6, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love that place’s fries.

Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 6, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I hear they’re the best in town.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by Andrew Tolliver on Sep 6, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

This might spark a little rivalry here, but I prefer Grats, bro! Good service and better food. I swear the witch waitress at Congratulations man spit in my coke.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Sep 6, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really don’t really think... - Tom Heckert

by North Coast Flea on Sep 6, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

always a classic

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by Andrew Tolliver on Sep 6, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve been off the radar lately, blue jackets taking up alot of your time?

Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 6, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to say it but between the Browns and the Jackets one team definitely had a more exciting off-season, and it wasn’t the Browns.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Sep 6, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, its been a pretty crazy year so far. Glad I made my return to the DBN world.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by Andrew Tolliver on Sep 8, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

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