Chris Gocong Returns to Practice, Tony Pashos Still Up in the Air
by Chris Pokorny on Sep 7, 2011 4:18 PM EDT
Email
Print
When you project a team's strengths heading into the regular season, things often look pretty optimistic. And then, the injury bug hits you. Starting right tackle Tony Pashos was still in a walking boot on Wednesday, and Shurmur said the team would have to see how things go for him over the next couple of days. "He is still in the boot," said Shurmur. "They are trying to get that foot to settle down a little bit. We will kind of diagnose where he is at probably tomorrow and see where we go."
According to Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal, the Browns were rotating backups Oniel Cousins and Artis Hicks at right tackle during Wednesday's practice. Shurmur still wouldn't commit to a starter at left guard either, but given the situation at right tackle, he might be forced to stick with rookie Jason Pinkston. "We haven’t finished deciding [about left guard], but right now we have Jason in there working."
The good news of the day was the fact that several Browns, including linebacker Chris Gocong, were expected to return to practice. When asked about Gocong's status for the game this Sunday, Shurmur said, "He is practicing today and that’s the first step, so we will see how he responds to today’s practice as we go through tomorrow and then Friday." The other players who practiced Wednesday were tight end Benjamin Watson and safety Usama Young. According to Ulrich, Eric Hagg had some limited work but backup linebacker Titus Brown was still in a walking boot.
97 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Look at last season and you will see that not having Pashos is a big, big deal. He can be the difference in games.
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Sep 7, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
He if difference maker St. Claire played because.
I really don’t really think... - Tom Heckert
by North Coast Flea on Sep 7, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Are Pachos like Nachos?
2010 Official DBN League Fantasy Football Champion
by TheDriveStillHurts on Sep 7, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Only much bigger
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Sep 7, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Just as brittle, though.
"Quote goes here."
by Adrock2099 on Sep 7, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s confusing his famous people. Pachos was best known for his influential horn playing on this album, not his abilities as a RT in the NFL:
by Off-the-Chain on Sep 7, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What is this I don’t even…
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Sep 7, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He accidentally the whole thing.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
by Simmsinns on Sep 7, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The thing accidentally.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THE WHOLE THING?
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
by pwndabear on Sep 8, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“They are trying to get that foot to settle down a little bit..”
For Christ’ sake someone give that foot a valium or something before I drive up there and knock some sense into it!
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 7, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions
Would you rather:
-spend a first round pick on a RT
OR
-spend all of our 4th-7th round picks on potential RTs until we find one
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Well, having two first-round picks makes it compelling.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Sep 7, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought 4th round picks didn’t matter?
Mangini apologist by default.
by Villeslgr on Sep 7, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
They have very little value. Isn’t that what rufio’s post says?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
MIght be. I thought he was advocating taking the RT in the first. If not than ignore my post, because there’s not really a point to it anymore.
Mangini apologist by default.
I would spend every 4th-7th round pick we have for the next 2 years just to find one RT before I spent a first rounder on one (because first round picks have so high a value relative to 4th-7th round picks).
I am exaggerating a bit, of course, but that’s basically my point.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Well, since that Atlanta pick probably won’t be very high, we could get a decent OL for it. I dunno, this whole OL thing is becoming a huge issue. If Marecic fails, this will be a huge conversation topic and bitch session as to why we took him and not an OL. I have a lot of excitement about the Browns this year, but this is frightening
I prefer FA RTs
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
by bross09 on Sep 7, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But who is gonna let go a good, big FA RT at this point in the season?
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Sep 7, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s relatively easy to cut a nice big FA RT.
I really don’t really think... - Tom Heckert
by North Coast Flea on Sep 8, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
everyone likes their own FA RTs though…
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
Sometimes when I try cut a good FA RT, I blow a Sheard…
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And then those undies are always a “Little Sheldon Brown.”
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Romeo Crennel approves of this thread
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
by pwndabear on Sep 8, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Flag.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
you cant flag jolly crennel
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
That’s like flagging Santa.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Then I flagged Santa.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I laugh so hard I cut a FA RT on the spot. Also, GWE Rec whoring.
Indeed.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Glad you agree.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I thinking he cut a FA RT right after this press conference for fun.
by SBP on Sep 8, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
never ever gets old.
"You are the worst villains in football, your evil plan never ceases."-Mooncamping
by discoinferno083 on Sep 8, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I would take the best RT available in next years draft and just lock up and solidify the position so we dont have to worry about it anymore. Kinda like the guy we have at LT. You need a great line to dominate in this game and especially division.
by Joel Sykes Hobson on Sep 8, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
I would take the best RT available in next years draft and just lock up and solidify the position so we dont have to worry about it anymore.
Taking a RT at pick 32 is still a wasted pick.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really but taking a center at 20 something isn’t? I would definitely love to have a non-injured, non-turnstile RT in here with any pick after 10.
C and RT are two completely different positions. I played both. You can find a good RT in the fourth round. You need to hit on centers and LTs.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
thats not completely true, you don’t have to find a C in the first.
Ryan Kalil, Andre Gurode and Kevin mawae, both 2nd rounders.
Olin Kreutz: 3rd round
Dan Koppen and matt Birk: 5th and 6th respectively
Tom Nalen: 7th round
Jeff Saturday and Shaun O’Hara: UDFAs
a good portion of the elite Centers over the last decade have not even been taken in the first 2 rounds, and very few were first rounders. Center is no different than RT in this regard, a few elite players from the first but most are from later rounds.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Ryan Kalil, Andre Gurode and Kevin mawae, both 2nd rounders.
You, you and you – the two of youse.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
— Winston S. Churchill
by JustBob on Sep 9, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can find a good RT in the fourth round.
I am not convinced.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Wait, weren’t you the one who said that exact same thing? Or did I read that whole thing wrong?
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s basically why I asked the question. I don’t think a RT is worth spending on a RT, though I know many disagree. I also don’t think we are likely to find one in the 4th-7th rounds, even if we drop many picks in those rounds on RTs.
I also don’t think much of players picked in the later rounds, hence “4th round picks don’t matter”. It’s just so much of a crapshoot at that point that need, position value, and current team composition don’t matter much if at all: you need to find people who will contribute to your team in the late rounds at a significant rate. You can’t count on any of them to become starters, and you probably won’t really know what you drafted for a couple years.
So with my biases attached, the question would read “Which would be better: wasting a first round pick on an RT (getting poor value) or gambling by spending a bunch of late round picks on RTs (and still potentially not ending up with a good one)?” I think ideally we go for one in the second or maybe even the third—and soon.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
and soon
Like fucking yesterday. I don’t think I can withstand watching another disaster the likes of which took place when a hole the size of Texas opened up on our right side toward the end of last year.
Go, I say go away boy, you bother me.
by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 8, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that we’re keeping all our draft picks regardless of round. That is how you build the plug and play team. You see if the low picks work out, if not they get replaced in the next draft, but you don’t throw away players you think may be able to contribute just because they were drafted late based on a single pre-season.
not always. If you find an elite guy like a Jeff Otah, Willie Colon, or Damien Woody it is certainly worth it. Oh, and 2 of those guys are first rounders.
You can get a good player later in the draft, but if you get a pro bowl RT at pick 32, even for a bad team it is nowhere near a waste
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It’s still very much a waste. There is so much more value there when a good RT can be had three round later
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you agree that OL is important? If so it’s worth it. We constantly bemoan the right side matadors, but never want to address it with a decent pick.
Of course I do and no, it’s not. We bemoan the right side because all we’ve done since come back is throw old FA RTs at it. If we spent the time to look in the later rounds for good talent (Which Pinkston was supposed to make the transition to RT before the injury bug hit, IIRC) then we’re golden. We have much, much miore pressing needs on this team that a 1st and 2nd can go to much more than RT. Until we hit the point were our first round picks can become luxury, RT should be filled with FAs and low draft picks until talent sticks.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This makes zero sense. You admit its an important position but don’t want to draft a quality RT and instead put the fate of the position into maybe finding late round talent? If it were just a matter of taking the time to find the right player, everyone would be the Packers. There’s a lot of luck in finding late round starting talent too. You just better the odds by picking one higher.
Also, Pinkston was drafted to play Guard.
not really. an elite player at pretty much any position is not a waste in the 1st round. maybe FB/K/P would be wastes, but those aren’t “every down” positions.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Well, someone apparently agrees.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Why continue to waste lottery tickets (late draft picks) on something that could be fixed with one first round pick?
RT isn’t as important as LT, but it doesn’t mean it has no value. Add in the fact that offensive lineman usually translate well to the Pro’s, the downside is minimal.
Not to mention when you add offensive lineman, they make the Running Back better, the Wideouts better and the Quarterback better. Of course if it were up to me, I would only draft lineman and quarterbacks in the first round.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 8, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as FA RT. The good ones are rare and slip through your fingers when pursued.
by Joel Sykes Hobson on Sep 8, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
I WOULD IF YOU COULD REPLY CORRECTLY. And reply to what exactly?
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
thats racist
Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. Stop judging do something, shut the fck up do something.
by pwndabear on Sep 8, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
If we have a top ten pick in next years draft I would take the best RT at that spot. I do believe you build a team from the lines out. Also, offensive lineman play longer and its a worthy investment. They also seem to get better with age. You make that line solid as a rock and put the parts around it.
by Joel Sykes Hobson on Sep 8, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions
But a RT in the first round? Horrible decision. As Rufio says Waste picks 4th-7th for years until you find a competent starting RT over wasting a pick in the first all the time, everytime.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
the thing is, if I know there is a Damien Woody or a Willie Colon out there available at the end of the first, I take them.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Then you shouldn’t be a GM bross. Also, Willie Colon isn’t good. He will never be put in a position that will truetest truly test his first round grade. He was a bad pick in the first round.
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Willie Colon is one of the best run blocking RTs in the league. He sucks because he is a steeler, but objectively he is very good.
Colon wasn’t a first round pick, but I would take him in the first.
And a good gm will often take a RT at the tail end of the first. marc Columbo was that way and he turned out (even if you try to adjust to positional value) to be one of the best players taken at the end of the first/beginning of second round range.
The right RT is worth it there, not if the pick is wasted on a very mediocre player. Also generally, if you are talking the end of the first these teams are going to have less glaring needs than a team at the beginning of the draft too.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Reminders:
1. Use the reply button.
2. Don’t attack people.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Were there bans?
Pittsburgh is just jealous. We got Cudi and they have Wiz.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This team is increasingly hard to cheer for, if you can´t even get the guard (Cousins) into the guard spot, and the tackle (Pinkston) into the tackle slot. Never ending story, the optimists are tiring.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Non-stop coverage of the team with the best fans in the NFL, the Cleveland Browns.
Related FanPosts on Dawgs By Nature
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
Follow DBN on Twitter
Browns Links
Local Media Sources
Official Browns Site
Orange and Brown Report
Cleveland Plain Dealer
Akron Beacon Journal
Browns Communities/Blogs
The Watercooler
Waiting for Next Year
Dawg Scooper
Dawg Talkers
Dawg Bones
The Browns Board
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
