Why I Would Be Fine With Flynn

by Chalmdeezy on Jan 9, 2012 11:45 PM EST

I think most of us were impressed with Flynn's huge game against Detroit. I know I'm not the only one who was drooling over 480 YD's, 6 TD's and 1 INT. Now, i know that a few people will say "It's one game, you can't judge him on that one game." Noted. Okay, lets cut the stats from that game in half, 240 YDS, 3 TD's and I will even stick with 1 INT. Now for the fun part. Colt McCoy's top 3 games this year: 215 YD's 2 TD's, 0 INT. 350 YD's, 1 TD, 1 INT. 213 YD'S, 2 TD's, 1 INT. That's out of the 13 games Colt started vs the ONE Flynn started. Which would you prefer?

"Okay, well Green Bay has a much better offense than Cleveland." While this is true, why not take a chance anyways? I would settle for half of Flynn's stats in that game. I am no longer a believer in McCoy. He's a great kid, but I don't think he has what it takes to be our franchise player and from what i read on here, plenty of you agree. Flynn has spent 4 seasons as an understudy to one of the NFL's elite Quarterbacks and not to mention they run the WCO. Getting Luck is out of the question, besides if the Colts did want to trade the 1st pick, it would cost 2 arms, 2 legs and a ear. Yes, there is talk about the Pack slapping that Franchise tag on Flynn, but that is still not certain because they might need it for Finley. So best case scenario, he hits free agency and we get hit straight up without losing any of our draft picks. Awesome, now we can spend them on getting him some weapons and filling the remaining holes on defense and not worry about spending a pick on a QB. Worst case scenario, Pack franchise him and we would give them our ATL 22nd pick or if H&H can wheel and deal, they take our 2nd rounder. Now if that happens, their are a few teams that have shown solid interest in RG3, and we could possibly trade down for a 1st and 2nd or 3rd. Not bad for dropping a few spots down if you ask me.

Maybe Flynn will never be a Brady, Manning or Rodgers, but i know he has more of chance than anyone that has been a QB on our team since '99. Yes it might be risky, but to me at least, the rewards far exceed the risk. Tell me what you think.

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Yes, only if he's a FA

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Yes, FA or trade, GET HIM

45 votes

No

99 votes

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Flynn = Kelly Holcomb? I say get him only if he comes cheap for this reason.

by GrillGuy on Jan 10, 2012 6:33 AM EST reply actions

I know I’m not the only one who was drooling over 480 YD’s, 6 TD’s and 1 INT.

Think about that. 1 game. Week 17.

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by Simmsinns on Jan 10, 2012 6:53 AM EST reply actions

That said, I voted “Yes, FA only” because I don’t think we have anything at all to lose in that scenario whatsoever.
I just hope we don’t ultimately overpay him.

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by Simmsinns on Jan 10, 2012 6:54 AM EST up reply actions

I voted yes, FA only.

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by emily522 on Jan 10, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions

The Lions still had something to play for though. I would much rather play the Giants than the Saints.

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by Vezoma on Jan 10, 2012 7:06 AM EST up reply actions

True but the Lions secondary is garbage. They have been a team easy to pass against all season. I would put very little stock in those numbers. In addition he is playing on a stacked offense. You could plug an average QB in there and get inflated results.

by Off-the-Chain on Jan 10, 2012 11:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Yes, the lions D is very easy to pass on but, the point is that Colt couldn’t put up those numbers against air.

by Brocolis154033 on Jan 10, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions

Against air? Are you forgetting the defenses we faced this season? Pittsburgh twice, Baltimore twice, Cincinnati twice, San Francisco, and Houston.

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by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 11, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions

There were a lot of bad defenses sprinkled in. I seem to recall we couldn’t put up a TD against the Rams. The Rams!

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by notthatnoise on Jan 11, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions

McCoy didn’t have a bad game against the Rams – 20/27 for 218 yards (no ints).
And Hillis was out with injury (one of the five straight games he missed…).

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 11, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions

It’s impossible to have a good argument for McCoy with his terrible numbers, and season. That doesn’t mean he won’t get better but we need another solution getting ready in case he doesn’t get any better.

by macdowellm03 on Jan 11, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions

So draft Griffin if it’s really that uncertain. Signing Flynn expecting he’ll be a better long-term investment than McCoy is ridiculous. I don’t care if he threw 15 TDs in one game. That’s simply not enough experience to judge one player.

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by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 15, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions

agree

by HenryDawg on Jan 15, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah that was ugly.

My point is I am not at all sold on Flynn especially for his price tag. He may prove to be worth it but he is a big risk and I’d rather not blow a ton of money in FA on a bust. Either draft. QB or stick with Colt another year and, depending how that season goes, keep going with Colt or draft. I would much rather scour the draft for a QB who after a few strong seasons we give a boatload of money for his efforts. But leery of over paying for a one game performance on a great offense against a mediocre pass D.

by Off-the-Chain on Jan 11, 2012 11:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

3 backup DBs played that game against Flynn

Sure, the numbers are still impressive, but Kevin Kolb anyone?

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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by Leonuro on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions

Brady Quinn had like 350 yards against a very similar defensive backfield. I will say that this version of the Detroit D has a much better DL.

by HenryDawg on Jan 11, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions

Is it safe to say that Green Bay will only franchise him if it’s certain a deal is already on the table?
I can’t imagine them tying up that much cap space into a backup QB. Also, I think the franchise price is entirely too much for him.

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by Simmsinns on Jan 10, 2012 8:00 AM EST reply actions

Franchising a backup QB would be a pretty funny joke.

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by North Coast Flea on Jan 10, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions

I think that’s a safe assumption.

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by notthatnoise on Jan 10, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions

I would have no problem giving the guy a shot. That said, I don’t see this front office competing with the dollars that Miami or Washington is going to be throwing around. With the way Holmgren has been talking I fear that we are going to entertain taking Richardson (He said something about having a Beast RB). Possibly taking a QB late again (for the competition) or even trading down again.

We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.

by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 10, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions

Sorry, the first and last part based what he said about “using our money properly”.

We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.

by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 10, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions

even trading down again.

I thought the consensus was that Holmgren and Heckert were pretty satisfied with where they were drafting, and that trading down is probably not gonna happen.

by S.NM.Brown on Jan 10, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions

I hope not.

We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.

by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 10, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions

Smokescreen.

I’m biased. I’m firmly in the “Blackmon or death!” camp. But if he’s gone by 4, which I give at best a 50/50 shot, I won’t cry if they trade down or take Claiborne(assuming he declares). Just for the love of god don’t take a runningback at 4th overall.

by ouched on Jan 10, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions

That’s not what Heckert said at all. He said if there’s a guy that they like that they are confident will be around at a later pick then they wouldn’t hesitate trading down to get him plus picks.

by shep615 on Jan 21, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions

… He did say it would be hard to mess up the #4 pick, so maybe saying “That’s not what he said at all” was a bit hasty. But I think we’re pretty far from a consensus if you go by what Heckert said.

by shep615 on Jan 21, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions

I feel that Flynn will be the Kolb of next year. Someone will pay a lot of money and possibly some high picks to get him and he’ll perform in a decidedly mediocre way. There are two things I don’t like about Flynn…
First he was picked with the 2nd pick of the 7th round in 2008. Why? Why did 32 team’s scouts and front offices, all that football expertise pass on him for all those picks? Here, I insert the obligatory comment about how there are exceptions to the rule that high picks do better than low picks but those are exceptions… the vast majority of QBs picked this late in the draft never get past the practice squad and are watching from home by their second year.
Second, we have no idea how good this guy is. He as hardly played in the NFL and teams have had no chance to scheme against him. Do not underestimate the effect of defensive planning on a QBs effectiveness. Note that last year when he saw a little action he was decidedly mediocre with his rating after 66 passing attempts was 82 with 3 TDs against 2 Ints.
In addition there isn’t that much on him in college as he was only a one year starter there and he split time with another QB. Having said this, I’d take him as an upgrade to McCoy if he could be had without giving up much. But I do not think that is possible. I think another team will give up a lot to get him. If Green Bay franchises him he will be costly in both dollars and picks. There are arguably 6 teams in the market for a QB. Indy will take Luck. That leaves one other top talent in the draft (RGIII) and then Flynn for 4 other teams to squabble over. He will end up way overpriced in the end which just increases the risk associated with getting him. If you have to give up your first pick and a whole lotta money for him I think your are better off taking a risk with Tannehill or Foles and using the high pick for a receiver.

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by Brownsyup on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions

I agree with this.

by chitown browns fan on Jan 10, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions

I actually think Flynn will be the guy Washington targets.

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by notthatnoise on Jan 10, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions

This is what I am hoping.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 10, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions

Me too. The most use Flynn is to this organization is as a means of keeping RGIII on the board.

by Off-the-Chain on Jan 11, 2012 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

I agree completely. Said the same thing in another thread somewhere.

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by North Coast Flea on Jan 11, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t think there is anyway that the Packers Franchise a guy that will only see the field because of an injury. I also don’t believe that the price will be astronomical for Flynn because like you said, he’s only played in two games. The Kolb comparison isn’t fair because he played in more games for philly and was less impressive in my opinion. I think the best thing about getting Flynn would be knowing within one season if he is the guy. Although, I like RG3 alot but the bottom line is that he is at least a 3 year investment even if he’s doesn’t light it up early.

by Brocolis154033 on Jan 10, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions

This makes him sound like a decent backup, so if the idea is to replace Wallace, I’m good with that.

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by JustBob on Jan 11, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions

Flynn could come to the Browns if they decide that Tom Clements, GB QB coach is their next OC. There is a strong connection there.

Clements could be a serious candidate for the OC spot.

by SBP on Jan 12, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions

Interesting, I wouldn’t be opposed to getting a piece of GB’s offense.

by HenryDawg on Jan 15, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions

I would much rather have their QB coach as our OC than their backup QB as our starter.

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by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 15, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions

If H&H think he’s a vaiable prospect as a QB I’m OK with it. Holmgren has a pretty good track record with backup FA QBs.

by HenryDawg on Jan 15, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions

Get him if he’s a free agent, let him compete with McCoy, a competition may make them better. See what happens, if they both suck, we will have a high enough draft pick for a QB next year.

by macdowellm03 on Jan 10, 2012 6:39 PM EST reply actions

I don’t worry about suck as much as I worry about average.

by HenryDawg on Jan 10, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions

agree with getting him only if he is a free agent. he was very impressive but only one game, it will have to be at a great price.

by Tdawg1946 on Jan 10, 2012 6:40 PM EST reply actions

Capitolization, or is it capitalization….pleeease?

We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.

by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 10, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions

Where’s HenryDawg? I want this guy less than Griffin.

With or Without the H

by johnf34 on Jan 10, 2012 6:55 PM EST reply actions

LOL

by HenryDawg on Jan 10, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions

I would go to the Sea Gulls fan page and check out the breakdown they have been doing on flynn. 3 parts looking at a start vs the pats last season, this years preseason, then finally that detroit game.

by -bobby- on Jan 11, 2012 12:37 PM EST reply actions

Nick Foles

He was mentioned above, but I am finding the possibility of landing Foles at #22 very attractive right now if we get jumped for RG3 (almost an absolute certainty). In that scenario, we could end up with Blackmon at #4, and can address RT/LB at the beginning of the 2nd round.

Sounds pretty good to me.

by SpotOnSpotwood on Jan 11, 2012 4:20 PM EST reply actions

Foles should easily drop to the third round.

by macdowellm03 on Jan 11, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions

This. Foles is Gabbert Jr.

by HenryDawg on Jan 11, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions

I don't really remember watching Gabbert much in college

I’ve seen Foles play a few times each of the last few seasons. I always got the impression he did pretty well with a limited supporting cast. He’s coming to the NFL with an extra year’s worth of experience over Gabbert. On top of that, if you compare their junior seasons (strictly numbers wise, which I acknowledge doesn’t paint a full picture), Foles was better last year anyway.

I’m not saying that the two of you are wrong, nor am I claiming to be anything resembling an expert on quarterback evaluation. I just think the Gabbert comparison is a harsh one to draw.

by SpotOnSpotwood on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions

I don’t know, I just read somewhere he has a 6’4" WR that bailed him out a lot.

by HenryDawg on Jan 15, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions

And you’re right, I don’t know enough about him to compare him to Gabbert, it was just a feeling based on what I’ve read.

by HenryDawg on Jan 15, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions

Hell, if a 6’4" wr is a bailout then what do you call Luck’s 6’6" and 6’8" TEs?

by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 17, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions

I think a dark horse for Flynn should be the Raiders.

With their new “Green Bay” GM and probably coach, I could see them making a complete break from Palmer. I know they just paid through the nose for him, but we have seen GM’s do crazier stuff before.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 12, 2012 6:01 PM EST reply actions

This is so dumb.

Really, a seventh round pick prospect against a possible 4 pick over all prospect. I keep hearing this fan base say no to Griffin who looks awesome but all the sudden Flynn is in the in. Yall are confusing fans and if the Browns have taken this kind of talk seriously for the last decade then no wonder they are in this situation. Cleveland fans don’t know what they want so the organization is better off spoon feeding you. You’ll all like it when you win but as fan GM’s I see way to many double standards.

by Eric Vandergriff on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions

Read the comments. Not all of us want Flynn. This reminds me of when ESPN said DBN was clamoring for JaMarcus because of a Devil’s Advocate post.

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by North Coast Flea on Jan 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions

ESPN really covered something like that? Wow, that’s really poor journalism on their part.

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by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 15, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions

smh

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by jlsclarity on Jan 14, 2012 5:45 AM EST up reply actions

Are you talking about DBN or Browns fans in general?

I agree there are way too many Browns fans comparing a great prospect like Griffin to Vick, Akili Smith, and any other fast, black QB they can think of.

I think there is a good percentage of people at DBN who want Griffin, a good percentage that want to stay with McCoy and some who want Luck and some who want to check Flynn out. All of those are fine choices. Ultimately most of us are just speculating and will be OK with whatever the F.O. decides.

by HenryDawg on Jan 15, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions

I agree. I actually trust the player evaluation of this front office. They have a few notable screw ups (Jayme Mitchell!!) but for the most part they’ve done well. No one hits a home run in every at bat.

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by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions

Also the trade up for Hardesty is peculiar but its still too soon to know.

by HenryDawg on Jan 16, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions

Ultimately, I don’t think we need to worry about Flynn. I think Philbin getting the job at Miami makes it pretty much a lock for Flynn to be a Dolphin.

Heh, if Flynn turns into the next Aaron Rogers for the Phins then they could be called the DoFlynns. Bah dum TSH!

by shep615 on Jan 21, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions