Tom Heckert Speaking on the Radio Today

If you can show me where Holmgren has ever put up a “smokescreen”, I will entertain that.

I know we all want the miracle, but from a bosses standpoint, they said “you need to compete this year in (a full) camp. There will be competition.” They are giving him another year. I just hope to hell they give him something to work with.

Steve smith sucked for years until cam came along

Colt McCoy proves everything you said on his own, I don’t need to prove it, watch a game, read the stat line. Why don’t you show me where is the potential down the road to get better? And besides that, my only point is that just because some of us are frustrated that we never take chances on blue chip QBs, you take that as us belittling and insulting you. Get over it, we don’t care, we want to win and you win by having a great QB.

Nonetheless, I’ll give you a perfect example of why Colt seems like he won’t be able to overcome his limitations. Steelers game, Colt breaks the pocket (probably feeling more pressure than is actually there), his deep receiver, Evan Moore, does what he’s supposed to do when the QB is on the run and turns up field. Colt heaves, as in a 15-20 yard heave like he’s throwing a bowling ball over a moat, towards Moore but is about 5 yards too short and it gets picked by Palamalu. I could find plenty of other poor reads, throws, exaggeration of pressure and inaccuracy. The guy needs to literally see with his eyes that a guy is wide open before he throws it. That’s not going to happen very often in the NFL, you need to be able to read the receiver and throw before he’s open. If not, the defender has closed the gap and is breaking up the pass or tackling the receiver for little gain. He throws 15 yard passes like Doug Flutie throwing a hail mary. Go watch some games and then come back and talk to me. I’m more than willing to sit around another year waiting for him to get better, but what I can’t stand is someone who knows crap about RG3, hasn’t seen him play or even watched a YouTube video but proclaims they have a bad feeling about him. Sorry if I have almost no football respect for someone that lazy and ignorant.

To sum up, I’m not Rufio, most of us aren’t, but certainly have learned tons from him which have influenced my opinions. I’ve backed up every point I’ve made at some point, but I’m not going to do it in every damn comment I make, I feel repetitive enough as it is. There is plenty of info out there about why RG3 could be a stud, how about some of you doubters tell us why you don’t think he’ll be good (other than you’ve mentally equated him to Jamarcus Russel and Akili Smith but your just saying its a “feeling”).

I can’t stand listening to is Colt supporters playing the role of persecuted minority, and all the rest of big, bad DBN is out to get them. I want Colt to be the guy – you think I wouldn’t rather draft other players with our 9 draft picks? Hell yes I do, tell me why I should, other than you think he’s a nice guy and he can take a hit.

Rarely does ANYONE say that anyone else’s opinion “sucks” what they do is tell their opinion and why it differs from yours. I come to DBN to see the opinions that are different from mine because I love football and the browns. If you feel you are being attacked you are being over sensitive, not to mention if you don’t like it, you can leave.

I mean it really isn’t an “opinion” that Colt didn’t get it done this year. He led us to 4-12. He led an inefficient offense. There’s really no need to prove that.

I guess whether you believe in him going forward is a different story, but I don’t know what people are seeing that makes them say “yes, Colt is definitely the guy for the job.” I mean, where do you see that in what he’s done this past year?

It sounds to me like the Colt haters you speak of are the same people who are getting equally challenged on this board. If you don’t take things too personally, it can lead to some great discussions.

People say things on here like they are facts when in reality it is nothing but their opinion.

Yeah, this happens from time to time(see Champion64 in this thread), and the regulars give em hell for it.

Honestly, I got some shit from people for being off the Colt bandwagon too. Don’t act like it goes one way, it goes both ways buddy.

The problem with that argument is that our QB wasn’t executing the plays called. You can argue that the calls weren’t good, but Pat Shurmur didn’t make Colt hold the ball too long or throw interceptions when he was trying to throw out of bounds.

I think ideally you’d have a 6’8" guy who is nimble, fast, and not terribly thin: 250-270. That guy would have a huge arm and be able to throw the ball 100 yards with the flick of a wrist.

I don’t think that guy exists.

I do think that part of the reason QBs are in such high demand is because there are so few guys with the “intangible” things you need—world-class quick decision making, leadership, “feel for the game”, etc.—who also have good enough physical skills.

At this point, I am 100% sold on Colt’s toughness and leadership. Guys like Fujita have compared him to Brees without being prompted. I believe he has a strong enough arm. It’s not great, but he’s connected on a good amount of downfield passes on the NFL. His height is not a huge problem for me; he’s bigger than people think.

Right now my biggest critique is that he isn’t playing with the intelligence and savvy that a guy without Cam Newton’s physical skills would need. He seems surprised by some coverages. He isn’t doing a good job pre-snap. He seems to struggle with his progressions at times, and others he gets flustered and delivers a bad throw. His movement in the pocket isn’t efficient. He’ll need to nail all of those things to be successful much like Brees does.

you are correct that the physical skills aren’t everything. See: Jeff George.

You can never be sure about these things in a QB coming out of college, but I feel good about these in terms of RG3. He graduated in 3 years with a degree in Poly-Sci (not exactly basket weaving). That might not show football intelligence, but it does show discipline and he at least has some brains and I do think he has football smarts.

On leadership, he comes from a military family with both parents serving. His record as a starter between 2009-2011 is 19-10 and Baylor isn’t exactly a Big 12 powerhouse. He was also 2-1 this year in close games vs. top 25 teams. I think he may be a good leader.

Your last bit is the vibe I get with him too and that, plus his academic/leadership background make me think he could be good.

Here again, lack of coaching.

Not sure if serious…

Our pass protection would rank even higher if our guards weren’t rated so poorly, and those are the least important line positions when it comes to pass protection. Both tackles rank very highly in pass protection.

I agree with this.

Big difference in skill sets between guards and a QB. QB is the hardest position to play on the field….correct? Guard is not an easy position, but it should be heck of a lot easier when you are wedged between two probowlers. 3 years is max for McCoy. Pinkston is a rookie and I will say he did a lot better the last 3 games of the season. Lauvao is injury prone and gets a ton of penalties. Once in a while is okay, but I believe he lead the team in Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalties this year. Maybe I was a little hasty stating they need to go and I will backtrack that some. Maybe it is me, but I am tired of injuries and penalties killing us on the O-line.

There’s a reason a lot of us don’t read BR.

Oh yeah, that’s the hot rumor now since Heckert drafted him in Phlly and AZ wants to go with Skelton (can’t blame them) so we’re going to get Kolb. A lot of it is based on the fact that Kolb played well in the WCO in Philly but floundered in whatever they run in AZ which is not WCO

MmmmmmmK.

OK….hey. I like you and respect you. What’s going on?

I don’t think Pitt or Baltimore are going to wrap up that much money in running backs.

I wanted to listen to the full show today but my buddy wants to go golfing. Gunna have to wait for next week.