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These are videos of Bill Walsh and Joe Montana demonstrating the level of detail involved in the West Coast Offense.

Look specifically at the "rhythm throws" by Montana where he throws off of his back foot without a "hitch" step. Those are difficult throws--especially that out to the left.

Another thing of note is the quickness with which Montana goes through reads both in this "practice" session and the successful plays in games. At the top of his drop if not before, he will make an instantaneous decision and immediately go to his next read, which is timed to get open after the one hitch it takes to get through a read. The whole time, he's moving to avoid giving defenders a stationary target in the pocket.

Sorry BY, but Joe Montana was really good.

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This is a great post, rufio. People here need to watch these and appreciate the coaching of Walsh. I spent most of the time watching the consistency of Montana’s footwork. His 5 and 7 drops are stellar.

I especially liked the old footage of the Sunday night 9er/Browns game from ‘87. My dad took me to that game when I was 7. And the old video of Paul Brown was awesome.

And, as always, I hate Joe Montana.

by Brownie's Year on Jan 17, 2012 8:01 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks, but I can’t take the credit. Someone put the video up and Chris Brown as always knew where to find something as good as this.

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by rufio on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you didn’t do it, but you posted it here. If you didn’t I would have never seen it. Excellent education vids on the WCO. I know a lot about the style but I learned a few things.

by Brownie's Year on Jan 17, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

In video 5 you can see the news go across the bottom that the Browns signed “tackle” Eric Steinbach.

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by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

I know! Hilarious.

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by rufio on Jan 17, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s also worth noting that on the successful plays the ball is out almost before an unblocked player could get there. This is the type of thing we haven’t seen from Colt. He almost never just hits his back foot and throws.

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by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, the “rhythm” throws weren’t really there this year. It should be noted that having that quick of a read has become a little more difficult because defenses are harder to read and have evolved specifically to stop this kind of offense.

But there were plenty of times this year when teams gave us some of these throws and we couldn’t take advantage. The Dolphins’ game comes to mind, they played a good amount of the time with a single-high safety and “soft” or “sky” corners. That should be automatic quick passes for us.

Not that we’d need Colt or anyone else to be as good as Joe Montana to succeed, but better than what we’ve seen. Brees in his first playoff game was a particularly good example of quick reads and the ball coming out according to one’s feet. I was jealous.

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by rufio on Jan 17, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

he can’t get it out sometimes before a blocked player can get there. a WCO definitely needs a guy with a quick release who can make quick reads.

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by bross09 on Jan 18, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Watching this reminds me of why watching Tebow is so painful — he is the opposite of elegant.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 18, 2012 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

Hard to time things based on footwork when your wind up takes 3 seconds. But he can run and he can still lower his shoulder.

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by rufio on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 AM EST up reply actions  

First of all, thank you very much for posting this rufio! I really appreciate the work you do to help educate everyone here.

Now with Colt this year I noticed that when he would leave the pocket, a very large portion of the time (I’d say 90%) he would roll out exclusively to the right, and it seemed aggravating to me because it appeared as though it was a habit to the point that the defense could easily prepare for it.

After watching the videos, particulary #7 where they feature sweep pass right and sprint option right, do you think that most of Colt’s movement outside of the pocket toward the right were an attempt to execute those plays? Or were there more instance where by (bad?) habit he would tend to escape that way to avoid pressure.

by BornAKardiacKid on Jan 20, 2012 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

Oh and before anyone beats me to it, yes I am aware that Colt has rolled out to the left, the infamous concussion hit against the steelers was to the left.

by BornAKardiacKid on Jan 20, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

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