Pre-Combine Mock. Rip it to shreds
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 18, 2012 6:35 PM EST
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PrintI figure everyone at this time of year begins to feel like a GM. Here is what I would do if I was in Heckert's position. I guesstimated on the exact numbers of a few of our late round picks.
4th overall: Justin Blackmon: The knock on him is that he isn't a burner, the good news is Pat doesn't send our WRs on deep routes anyway. Has sure hands and a nose for the end zone. Pairing him with Little could give DBs nightmares.
22nd overall: Whitney Mercilius: Pass rushing DE that makes plays in the backfield and can force turnovers. Like Sheard has a nonstop motor and this would give us a young, terrorizing DL.
37th: Chase Minnifield: A tie to the past and also a great corner. Solid tackler, good footwork and timing, good in Zone or Man. And would allow us to move Sheldon to Safety ( peace out Mike Adams). Our pass D was already good, adding him and Mercilius will make it superb
68th: LaMichael James: He could become our Deron Sproles. I hate Oregon. I hate their gimmick offense but this guy has burst. At worst he becomes a KR/PR and helps us move on from Cribbs. At best the guy becomes the pass catching speed demon out of our backfield. He could rise up the draft boards with a big combine though.
100th: Audie Cole: Linebacker who is athletic and has experience as a 4-3 OLB. Good in coverage and in run support but needs work on pass rushing. Playing in the Senior Bowl so watch for him to possibly climb boards as well.
119th: Tony Bergstrom: RT from Utah who did not allow a sack all season. Hopefully we upgrade RT through FA but if not this guy could be a steal.
131st pick: Jarius Wright: WR. Burner. Pure speed and that's all that needs to be said about this kid. Major project and needs to add a bit of size but he will almost always be the fastest guy on the field.
164th: Russell Wilson: The Mike Holmgren special of a late round QB.
213th: Jaye Howard: Massive DT out of Florida. Not amazing speed but for his size moves well. Could spell Taylor and Rubin.
247th: Philip Welch K. From Phil Dawson to Phil Welch. Its a Kicker. Not much needs to be said.
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No offensive guard I noticed. We don’t need one too badly, I think Lavauo and Pinkston showed major improvement towards the end of the season. We do get Steinbach back, I don’t know how effective he could be but if he comes back as good as he was before then we don’t need a guard at all. Did I hear about Pinkston(?) being a tackle naturally? Or am I just remembering something else? If that’s the case and he is good there, our whole line is good, at least the starters.
by macdowellm03 on Jan 18, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pinkston was a OT in college (not sure which side) and there has been some rumors that he could play RT here. I doubt it but he could definitely fill the RG spot
He played mostly LT in college. I would love to see them slide him to RT, but Heckert was on 92.3 last week and said neither he, Steiny, or Lauvao is moving to tackle.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 18, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
He isn’t athletic enough to play tackle at the NFL level is what I heard.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 19, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I really would like for us to sign Ben Grubbs away from the ratbirds.
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I don’t think the ratbirds let him go, also I think if we’re going to get an expensive FA for the line, I would rather see what’s available at RT.
What about Nicks from New Orleans? The Saints won’t be able to tag him if they don’t get a deal with Brees.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 22, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind seeing a couple of guys from the Saints, Meachem or Colston or Nicks would be great, I don’t think they can afford to keep everyone and Brees.
I think they will keep Colston. Meachem is probably a product of Brees throwing to him. And I don’t think we could sign him anyway.For the line I think RT must be the priority. If signing Nicks would allow Pinkston to go to RT, then go for it.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 24, 2012 6:22 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if Pinkston has the footwork to play RT, but there are some good ones in the draft, Zebrie Sanders from FSU or Levy Adcock from OkSU could be good. Maybe even Mike Adams if he drops. I agree, RT is a priority
You’re probably right about Pinkston. I would rather not draft a RT until round 2 at least. RG3, WR, RT etc. It would be great if we could pick a good one in FA. Then we might get Mercilus or Minnefield in round 2. Maybe Brown could move to Safety and we kick Adams/Young into the street.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 24, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I just read about some of these guys and having Blackmon and Jarius Wright would be awesome.
by macdowellm03 on Jan 18, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
My only fear with Wright is his size. He would get broken in half as a pure WR. But as a shifty return man I think he could be very very dangerous.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 18, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not that worried about his size, there are plenty of shorter guys who played really long careers. I am worried that our QB won’t be able to see him.
Height doesnt worry me. Its his 176lb weight. Thats 10lbs more then I weigh and im pretty thin.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I am fine with this as long as this is assuming RG3 is gone. I would also prefer a quicker LB than Cole to play Weakside, someone like a Sean Spence.
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Everything ive read on Cole said he has very adequate speed for the 4-3 OLB and great instincts in terms of playing the QBs eyes. I do need to watch more tape on him though. After the combine ill be using a few days of vacation time to watch a crap ton of film and prepping a thorough mock draft.
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by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 18, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Cole in many places is listed as an ILB and I have seen his potential 40 speed listed as high as 4.8. He might have Gocong speed which is adequate for mlb or strong side, but we need a smaller, speedier LB like Spence. While Spence may not be 230, he most likely will run under a 4.5
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Interesting. I will definitely have to look more into it. All the player ranking are going to get jumbled like crazy over the next few months with players rising and falling based on workouts that really dont matter.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
it depends. the rangier ones definitely. mlb can often be the “do everything” LB so the really skilled ones can easily play weak side. They share some of the same skills, but not all. I just worry about a guy like Cole not being athletic enough.
Some guys who play middle could also possibly play strong too. Stephen Tulloch is a good example imo of that
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I might go another Mike Adams, OT, OSU with the second pick. I think we’re doing pretty good at DB right now.
I like Adams. And while we are pretty good we could use another young CB. Patterson played decent when forced into starting duty, but at 29 I dont expect him to improve. Sheldon is going to drop off soon and having 2 good young CBs along with Ward and a young pass rushing DL will give us a very solid pass D for a long time.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 18, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
That’s where Buster Skrine comes in. I expect him to come in hot and compete for the starting spot…and winning it.
Im not that sold on Skrine. I think he is a great situational or nickel back but I dont trust him as a starting corner just yet. My thought is you can never have too many good CBs, especially not with the types of offenses being run in the NFL now. Most good teams are 3-5 deep at WR.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have Minniefield and yes I am one of those persons who put being a legacy pick as a positive (but only provided the talent is the same and Chase is supposed to be better than Frank)
If he is better than his dad, we shouldnt hesitate to draft him if hes there. His dad was superb!!!
by OldTimeDawg on Jan 21, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, well how’d that go not picking the last "LEGACY PICK’? Thats right, he’s got a Super Bowl ring and we resigned Gocong. I think we lost out on that pick…
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Actually he’s playing middle linebacker for the Eagles, and not very well.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 22, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Clay was drafted after we too a WR in the 09 draft. Eric chose MoMass, Robiskie, and Viekune. We could of had Mack, Matthews, Maualuga, & LoadHolt.
Don’t confuse Casey & Clay.
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Thats a starting center, two starting LB’s, and the bookend right tackle.
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Mack would have fell to the second round.
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The rumor was that Pittsburgh would have taken him.
Considering they used a first round pick on a Center a year later, I think the rumor was true. So no, he wouldn’t have made it to the second round.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
This is not true. Matthews was taken 5 spots behind Mack.
We didn’t pick again until the 36th pick.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
You said, and I quote,
the last "LEGACY PICK’The last legacy pick was Casey, not Clay.
Eric chose MoMass, Robiskie, and ViekuneAll taken after Matthews. Please get your facts straight.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
MY POINT WAS I WANTED MATTHEWS WHERE WE TOOK MACK. Then Take Mack in the 2nd and get thr RT and other LB. Yes Mack may have been gone – then the next Center would have been fine.
When I talk about LEGACY, I’m talking about Cleveland, I couldn’t care less about what another team does.
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When I talk about LEGACY, I’m talking about Cleveland, I couldn’t care less about what another team does.
And CASEY was the last LEGACY pick. He had the same dad as Clay, that’s part of being brothers.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 25, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I would take Griffin instead of Blackmon, but we’ve beat that to death. I like the rest.
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I am against RG3, but I dont think it matters anyway, I think he will be off the board. Minny and STL are in full rebuild mode and some team (Washington, Seattle, Jets perhaps) will trade up for them and offer quite a bit.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 18, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I have no issue with Colts size or Russells. If the guy can play he can play and I think both can.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Saints fan here.
I see a lot of people saying the Browns “need” a QB. Why is that? From what I’ve seen, Colt has been very good, with limited weapons to throw to. I personally like the guy as a QB, and think, as you mocked here, that WR should be your first pick if Blackmon falls to 4. Is RGIII really that high on the Browns radar that they would take him and stick him in the same situation McCoy is in, instead of giving McCoy a real threat (outside of Cribbs)?
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The people that want RG3 say that McCoy is as much of the problem as the weapons so why not try to upgrade both. My thought is that we build the team around him and if he struggles again THEN go get the QB. Every year there is a “cant miss” prospect.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Colt has been very good
We Browns fans have watched him play in 21 games over the past 2 seasons, and he definitely hasn’t been “very good.” He has had a few good games (4 games with a QB rating above 93), but has not been consistent. His most apparent criticism is with his arm, leaving many Browns fans to wonder if he’ll ever be capable.
as you mocked here, that WR should be your first pick if Blackmon falls to 4.
A lot of us Browns fans will be more than happy with Blackmon, especially if RG3 is already off the board.
Is RGIII really that high on the Browns radar
Despite what some Browns fans might try to tell you, the truth is that it’s actually pretty hard to tell right now. On one hand, Heckert talks about how they will not rule out any possibility. And on the other hand, Holmgren often expresses his love for Colt McCoy explicitly. It seems that H&H (Holmgren and Heckert) are intentionally vague so they don’t tip their hand to another team, and so they also aren’t held to the fire if they make a promise they can’t keep (i.e. promising to target a specific position).
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One comment that I do find curious is that Heckert talked about there being an open competition at QB next year. That to me takes away the early first round QB. You dont draft a QB 4th overall to have him fight for the job with Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
You dont draft a QB 4th overall to have him fight for the job with Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy.
I think you can. I think that’s exactly what happens with any QB we bring in whether it’s draft or FA.
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If you think a player is good enough to go 4th overall then you dont have him battle a horrible backup and a 3rd round player who hasnt really established himself in the league.
I would love us to do nothing at QB though, Seneca and Colt are both under contract and we have Thad Lewis as 3rd and a project if necessary. Go skill position, skill position and get someone with good hands.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Plenty of teams have a rookie QB sit for a year. It used to be a lot more common, but it happens less and less. Christian Ponder sat behind someone last year, and he went in the top ten.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 19, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ponder sat behind a proven vet. Sitting behind either McCoy or Wallace wont help RG3 because neither have shown they deserve to be a mentor. Colt not having enough experience and Seneca flat out saying its not his job to teach the younger QBs anything about the offense because he wants to start.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think if he sat behind them it would be because they wanted him to soak up more information in general, not necessarily be mentored by McCoy and/or Wallace.
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Did John Kitna ever show he was a “mentor” before Palmer sat behind him? Sitting definitely helped Palmer.
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When a QB flat out says he isnt going to teach a QB the system because “thats not my job” I dont want him starting over a rookie. I done recall Kitna ever saying that he wouldnt help Palmer.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking more Colt anyways. The point isn’t that you need a “mentor” but a chance for a QB to sit and adjust to the speed of the NFL game.
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The issue you run then is that if we do add some playmakers and Colt plays well (like I think he would) you then have yet another full blown QB controversy on your hands.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 20, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
eh…not really. You sell high on Colt.
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I just think with an actual offseason and hopefully some improvement to the surrounding talent Colt will look better. I also think RG3 will be another Matt Leinart or Brady Quinn. overhyped garbage.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 20, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
I also think RG3 will be another Matt Leinart or Brady Quinn. overhyped garbage. Why is that? He isn’t really similar to either player.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 20, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Its more in the fact that people are already anointing him some sort of franchise QB when coming into the season he was going to be a 2nd round pick if at all.
Yes he had a great run, but he also wasnt in a pro style offense. His team would line up, the OC in the booth would read the defense and a play was sent in. Thats a huge negative in my book because we dont know exactly what was him making a good read and what was the coach.
Another issue I have is that he has a 1st round WR on his team as well. Was it the WR making great plays or RG3 making great throws? I just dont buy into the hype and I dont want to see this kid on the Browns.
Im getting the same feelings before this draft that I got before the Quinn one.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 20, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
when coming into the season he was going to be a 2nd round pick if at all.
well maybe if he stunk up the joint, he would have gone later in the 2nd. Not every franchise QB was pegged from september to go top 5 overall in november…I don’t remember Roethlisberger or Flacco being projected as legit first round guys way back then.
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Yes he had a great run, but he also wasnt in a pro style offense.
which is the case for most guys coming out of college.
His team would line up, the OC in the booth would read the defense and a play was sent in. Thats a huge negative in my book because we dont know exactly what was him making a good read and what was the coach.
Didn’t Newton’s offense only have like 8 plays?
Another issue I have is that he has a 1st round WR on his team as well. Was it the WR making great plays or RG3 making great throws?
watch the tape.
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I dont like Newton either. His stats look great but he played in a division where no team is in the top half in pass Defense,
Also to compare RG3 to Newton if flawed simply because RG3 is atleast 3 inches and 30lbs smaller.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 21, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Also to compare RG3 to Newton if flawed simply because RG3 is atleast 3 inches and 30lbs smaller.
It’s not a comparison at all, but pointing out that not all guys who don’t come from an advanced offense turn out to be total busts. In fact there is reason to believe that QBs coming from advanced, pro-style offenses have lower ceilings.
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Maybe watch some film and get over your questions. Yeah he could be a bust, but if your gambling, I would put my money on him. As far as his system, a lot of QBs run that in college and do fine. Some guys run a pro style system and suck. The question is really if the guy has all the physical tools to succeed, does he also have the mental make up to work hard to make it? A lot of times they don’t. Griffin, really seems to have all the physical tools and the mental ones. That’s why he’s hyped.
I watched quite a few Baylor games. Its funny because watching RG3 highlights and outside of the running ability its very similar to Colt McCoy highlights from Texas. Quick release, accurate, and racking up stats in a defensively poor Big 12.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 21, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Something must be different, you don’t get Colt falling to the third round and Griffin rising into the top 10 for no reason.
Maybe the shoulder injury caused more harm than we thought, but by that point I would think most of those guys had already evaluated his arm.
I think alot of it was the shoulder injury and the fact that he didnt run a pro style offense. But that is being over looked this season due to Cams success in Carolina.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 21, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Even before the shoulder injury, I think the highest I ever heard Colt projected was one of the first few picks of the 2nd round. He was never considered a top 15 talent.
I am not the only one who had heard of RG3 before his game against TCU and saw him as a guy who could sneak into the 1st.
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And we dont throw or run deep routes. Its not like it was just here, Pat did the same thing in STL. Look at Bradfords rookie numbers compared to Colts from this past season, identical.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 21, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I haven’t gone to any Browns games in awhile, but others that have gone claim that we ran plenty of deep routes, we just didn’t throw to them.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 21, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I was at 5 games this season, 90% of our routes were short quick hit routes or screens. There were plays were we would send MoMass or Cribbs deep but they barely ever got seperation and usually were well covered until after the underneath route was thrown.
If the WR isnt open should we chuck it up just to chuck it up? Again look at Bradfords rookie stats to Colts this past year. They are identical in terms of YPC, TD to INT ratio, and QB Rating.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 21, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
There were plays were we would send MoMass or Cribbs deep
This is what I was talking about. We ran them, we just couldn’t complete them.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 21, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
If the WR isnt open should we chuck it up just to chuck it up?
And yes. In this league, I will take my chances with my QB throwing up a 50/50 ball 50 yards downfield. PI seems to get called almost at will now.
Plus, it’s better than Colt McCoy throwing 50/50 balls 15 yards downfield.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 21, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
I was at 5 games this season, 90% of our routes were short quick hit routes or screens.
You know, on a screen pass, it’s not like the other 9 players on the field block. It is very common for the WRs to run deep routs to draw CBs in man coverage away from the play as a decoy.
There were times however where the CBs would read the screen and Colt would still throw it and it would fail. That is a situation where you have to take advantage of a D being aggressive and throw to the WR, which I don’t remember ever happening.
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Which goes back to the point that Colt was not allowed to call audibles. Its been said by multiple interviews by other players on the team, Colt did not have the option to change plays so he ran exactly what was called.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 21, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
we don’t know that Colt never was in a situation where he was allowed to call an audible.
You are selectively mis-remembering quotes to try to help your argument. point to a sourced quote that says that Colt was NEVER in ANY situation allowed to audible. You just can’t because they were talking about specific situations.
Beside the point that it’s irrelevant to what I am talking about and doesn’t prove squat. Let’s assume he wasn’t allowed to call an audible. What does this have to do with a screen pass. The situation I described above that Colt failed to take advantage of does not take a change in the play. That’s what an audible is. It requires a read other than one to the RB.
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Yes, he did have the power to audible.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 21, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
And we dont throwor rundeep routes
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by notthatnoise on Jan 21, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
And we dont throw or run deep routes.
False. We don’t have an elite speed WR and we certainly don’t have a QB with the arm or the confidence deep to throw it.
Pat did the same thing in STL. Look at Bradfords rookie numbers compared to Colts from this past season
Look at any 1st year QBs ypa and they are not good. Just for example, both Peyton montana had below average ypas their first year starting and never really had anything close again.
Even when a route is clearly designed to go deep, Colt doesn’t always pull the trigger because it is not yet in his comfort zone and tries a shorter pass.
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In my opinion, every player should have the opportunity to compete for any starting spot. Nothing should be handed to any player because of where they were drafted.
by Legoman0721 on Jan 23, 2012 1:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I see it as a possible smokescreen. It seems like everything Heckert said about QB points to the Browns likely not drafting RGIII, yet he doesn’t say it explicitly. It could make teams that want to trade up for RGIII think that they don’t have to get ahead of the Browns.
But really, I don’t think anyone knows what the hell is going on with the QB position.
The sad thing is most fans from other teams really believe Cribbs is a threat still because whenever the Browns do get shown out of market the announcer play up his big play ability that existed for 2 seasons when he was actually good.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
1 good game a year doesnt do it for me. Especially not for the money we are paying him.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Did anyone on our offense have more than one good game this year? (NOTE: I’m only counting the mortals who started at the other 10 positions).
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We’re not paying him that much and he scored more TDs than anyone else on the team. He also had a groin injury and other dings all year. He’s a great locker room guy and is almost worth paying him for that, plus the kickoff coverage was significantly better once he got on that team. He isn’t spectacular, but he does enough good stuff in a few different areas to make him worth the modest contract.
Rec, rec, and a thousand times rec! Besides, it’s not as if we cut some pro-bowl talent in order to keep Cribbs on the roster.
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Cribbs easily had his best WR stats this year. His 500+ yards and 4 TD as WR3 shows me he should supplant MoMass next year in depth chart. He just never gets the ball…he’s so low on the progression list to a QB that was always rushed.
His YAC is way to low for a guy of his size and speed….its like he never gets the ball in open field or in stride. underutilized here in my opinion
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Ofcourse it was a career high, he has been horrible as a WR up to this point. He still struggles with route running, is losing his burst and isnt going to get better because he is already pushing 30 years old. I would go with MoMass over him simply because of potential at this point.
Also its not like Cribbs blew MoMass out of the water this year. He had only 10 more receptions and about the same AVG reception yds at 12.6 to 12.4. Cribbs is what he is and the sooner people accept it the better, he is a ST player. Always has been we just forced him into a bigger role.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 19, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
he was the 2nd WR for most of the season and started about half the games there. He was definitely the 2nd option, not 3rd and his stats for a WR3 aren’t any better (and in fact may be worse) than Little’s stats for a WR1.
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How many picks would it cost us to acquire JaMarcus?
I’m kidding, of course. :P
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Don’t get me started. We missed a chance.
But even I am a bit nervous after the life coach thing.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 19, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I hate RG3 and think he is horribly over rated. As for Luck I dont like having to give up so much for one player when we are way more then 1 player away from even being a playoff team.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 20, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone watching the East-West Shrine game today? MTD has been hyping BJ Coleman (QB, Tenn-Chattanooga), and I’m interested in taking a look. I’ve read some good things about him. Maybe he could be a later round project pick for us.
99% of the people here wont be happy with another project QB,.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 21, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
For good reason.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 21, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I will say this though, if the Browns get RG3 at #4 and dont trade up for him I wont hate the pick as much. If we give up the other first rounder or a 2nd rounder to move up and get him I will despise the move.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 21, 2012 2:52 PM EST reply actions
If he isnt a 1st year pro bowler and have us in the playoffs its not worth giving up multiple draft picks for. And if he is there at 4 that means Kalil, Luck, and Blackmon are most likely off the board, which are the 3 players I would take above him.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 21, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
If he isnt a 1st year pro bowler and have us in the playoffs its not worth giving up multiple draft picks for
This is incredibly short sighted view. Here is a list of the previous #22 selections in the NFL draft since ’99:
Lamar King, Chris McIntosh, Will Allen, Bryan Thomas, Rex Grossman, J.P. Losman, Mark Clayton, Manny Lawson, Brady Quinn, Felix Jones, Percy Harvin, Demaryius Thomas and Anthony Costanzo.
What’s that mean? Not a whole hell of a lot, but I won’t be crying if we give up a chance at Lamar King for a franchise QB.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 21, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If he isnt a 1st year pro bowler and have us in the playoffs its not worth giving up multiple draft picks for.
Just false. Not every elite QB is a pro bowler his first year and those elite guys who can lead your team toe the playoffs are easily worth two 1st rounders considering the importance of the position.
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If he isnt a 1st year pro bowler and have us in the playoffs its not worth giving up multiple draft picks for.
You can’t seriously believe this?
If we are giving up multiple picks AND ignoring our glaring need of a supporting cast then yes I am. He needs to be Cam Newton doing it all himself and getting us atleast +4 wins.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 22, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
this is thinking extremely in the short term and guys are not always this successful in an extreme short term period.
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Peyton Manning didn’t do that as a rookie. Would you have traded two firsts for him?
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by notthatnoise on Jan 22, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
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