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Theory of Defense

This will be my first post, so I apologize ahead of time for any mistakes that I may make. I have been reading Dawgs by Nature for almost 3 years now, posting limited amount commits. Tho i have never played football, I have experience in lots of other sports. Defense was how I was raised. Tho I am no rufio ( which i would like to say, your posts on anything football are beyond the doubt the most interesting things I have ever read), I will attempt to share my view on why we should build a monster of a defense first and foremost. I look forward to your views and commits.

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Defense is the Browns. I never knew the old Browns, being too young when the team was taken away, but what my dad always talks about is how that was our strength. Its us. I believe that back when the Browns dominated the Steelers, there was a game where our defense held them to under a hundred yards of offense (Don't know where i read this, bored one day when I was in middle school and found it browsing the web). The AFC North all has strong defenses now (who do you think they modeled after?). Their defenses is the cause of the Browns offense's woes. Both the Steelers and the Ravens have won superbowls because of their defense. The Bengals have above average defense i believe. Unfortunately I don't have the stats nor do I really know where to find them, Ill leave that to fellow DBN'rs who know them to either debunk me or support me.

People are always saying "Its a quarterback league now", "We need a Elite Quarterback", "offense wins games". I think this is bull. To say one man can win a game is false. I have been on teams when we had the best point guard, or the best goalie, but we never won because we lacked other parts. I believe the best way to counter the top Qb is defense. We did that against the Patriots and the Saints in 2010. I have heard sports announcers say it before, the best way to stop a good qb is to not let him have many opportunities. So to limit them is to have a defense that can create three-and-out's.

"The best offense is a good defense" "Outrun, out hustle them" "Defense Wins Games" These quotes are the backbone to a good team. Many coaches and athletes, me included, live and die by them. And here is why: a good defense forces the opponents offense to not make mistakes, and to make plays. They make mistakes, puts our offense in good field position, it scores points, its demoralizing. This makes our offense to do one thing: Take their time. All the offense needs is one lucky break, a lucky bounce, big PI call, a great run. Thats all. It wears out the the opponents defense, and demoralizes their offense.

Ill give a recent example of this happening: The Packers vs. Giants game. The Giants defense were playing their best. Aaron Rogers had to force throws, was sacked, and was running for his life a lot of the time, but they were still in their until one lucky throw: the hail mary throw. Its the worse feeling to go into the locker room at halftime knowing the opponent just scored. And how the scored makes it worse. It was a hail mary throw, which rarely works and usually a last minute attempt to win the game. So in this case, the giants won before half.

Now I know this really isn't as good as it could be, I'm not the best at expressing myself using words, more of action kind of guy, but I believe I brought enough in to create a good conversation. With our defense being really young, and only missing a few key spots and maybe some depth, as well as the last two drafts we focused on defense, and the next draft coming up, thought this may be something to that should be taken in consideration. I thank you for reading, and hope you don't bash me too hard like the others.

Also the poll is here to see what people think the Browns should do.

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Should the browns focus on defense this year to get a elite defense?
Yes
27 votes
No
33 votes

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Trick question. It’s the offseason, they should focus on everything including the defense. In the draft they need to prioritize offense, but if they can make the defense better they should focus on it during free agency.

by crazyL80 on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with that. Im not saying to ignore the offense, just that in my view, defense is the key to success.

by youngergenerationbrownsfan on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i would like to see the Browns go after an offensive “playmaker” this offseason as well as continue to build this young, tough defense…needing to stop the run is a focus.

by browindiavs on Jan 18, 2012 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

Having an offense that can actually stay on the field and score points is the best defense.

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by North Coast Flea on Jan 19, 2012 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

yes, even a good defense will grow tired if on field 3/4 of the game.

by browindiavs on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

O.T. but I like your name, I once named a FF team Browndianaliers.

We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.

by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 19, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Having a good defense is important. As good as the Saints and Packers were this year, their defenses didn’t do a very good job. Both of those teams rely on big plays from their defense: sacks, interceptions, fumbles, and scoring. They are high risk/high reward, aggressive styles of defense that blitz a lot and will give up a few scores if they can get turnovers. They rely on their offenses to score and turn games into more of an NBA pace than a pitcher’s duel where one double can put the entire game in jeopardy.

The interesting thing to me is that the Patriots—who have an equally bad defense—are still alive. Part of that is matchup, but I think part of it is a more complimentary style with their offense (and ST). If you had a nickel for every time you heard Tom Brady talk about taking what a defense gives you, you’d be rich. The Pats’ D is similarly patient. The offense chips away and eventually figures you out while the defense makes people grind down a long field and chip away slowly to score. Once the offense finds your weakness, they score in bunches. Once the defense has a lead, they make you chip away even more and you panic because you don’t get the big play.

Green Bay and NO dare you to take chances on big plays, New England gives you easy but unattractive options.

And I think that what we are seeing in the playoffs is that your defense just needs to do its job. It doesn’t necessarily have to be great, it just needs to work according to the blueprint of your franchise. When the Saints won, their defense got those turnovers. Same with Green Bay. When they Giants won, they pressured the hell out of the QB and let Eli be steady but unspectacular with a pretty good run game. It all needs to work together.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jan 19, 2012 2:32 AM EST reply actions  

Good stuff Rufio. I would like to see an article about why you think teams run all over us and how we can fix it.

We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.

by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 19, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Your description of the Pats D sounds an awful lot like “bend but don’t break” philosophy. Didn’t we have that kind of philosophy in Cleveland for a while with Mangini and Crennel? It’s a nice thought and it has worked well for the Pats for a ton of years… But I don’t think it works well without one of the best QBs in the history of the NFL that can pick apart weaknesses in defenses like that.

by shep615 on Jan 19, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Bend don’t break is Jauron’s philosophy.

by crazyL80 on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I would say yes we played that style under Romeo but not under Ryan/Mangini. They blitzed a lot.

The whole point is that the defense works with what the Patriots do from the front office all the way to the water boys. They are patient. They play the odds. The trading back for picks the next year, the dink and dunk, the bend-don’t-break, its all working together.

We just need our plan to come into focus and we need the defense to work synergistically like that with our offense. Its not the style itself, its the fit of the style alongside the other things the Patriots do. Jeans are great pants sometimes, slacks are great pants sometimes, but you always want to match your shirt.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jan 19, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

This year, the Pats D is awful, and generally regarded by many new england fans as the worst theyve had under Bill. Statistically wise, the Browns were better in almost every category except rushing yards and take aways. They are very much the “bend but dont break” philosophy which I think is the key in looking at D. While the Pats give up the 2 most yards per game in the league, they give up only 21 points (ranked 15th). When you have Tom Brady/that offense you can afford to give up 21 points.

by -bobby- on Jan 22, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice post, by the way! I enjoyed it a lot- Just work on not apologizing so much :) You’ve got good things to say, so say them with confidence. There’s only one rufio and you’re not him, but you have good things to say and at least in this post you’ve said them well. I’ll look forward to reading more of your stuff, so keep posting it :)

by shep615 on Jan 19, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

There are plenty of people with more football knowledge than me.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jan 19, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Right- but I personally think that you are the most knowledgeable person in this particular community when it comes to football. I have mad respect for you and I know many others do also.

by shep615 on Jan 19, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Good post and a good topic. Tradition almost demands we have a tough D and having one will help you win for sure. An offense that puts up more points would be a greater need right away IMO. That being said I think we get a couple more pieces to our D this offseason to compliment what we have been building. Sheard, Taylor, Rubin, Haden, and Jackson are looking to be the core of a beast defense for years to come I believe.

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by browndawgbacker on Jan 19, 2012 10:15 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

While I would love to have a suffocating D like back in the 80’s these are not the Dawgs anymore (and I really wish we could get away from that). We have not had any sort of identity for this team since they have come back. I think that is what they are trying to build here. With a stable front office when we get offensive and defensive systems in place then we will know what we are.

by GrillGuy on Jan 20, 2012 6:42 AM EST reply actions  

Our D is good enough to win a SB right now. The Pats would love for a D like ours in the SB. While it isnt dominant, we gave up the 10th least amount of yards and most importantly we gave up the 5th least point per game (with 19 per game). Our offense on the other hand averaged less then 2 TDs a game. If you cant score more then 2 TDs then your gonna have a tough time winning games. I dont care how good your D is, if the opponents always have the ball you cannot score (since our O goes 3 and out half the time). If we had any resemblance of an offense, then sure I could see wanting to get a great D right now. But we cannot score points, and Phil Dawson wont be kicking 50+yarders forever.

by -bobby- on Jan 22, 2012 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

O, and rufio commented on a different topic something similar- When teams get down they want to pass. When they start passing it allows the DL to pin their ears back and attack. That only helps the D out.

“The best offense is a good defense”

Ive never heard this. how does a D score points? How does it help O? Now “the best D is a great O” makes sense due to what I said above. And if you have the ball, that means the other team doesnt, hence not being able to score, therefore helping the D by not allowing the other team opportunities to score.

by -bobby- on Jan 22, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The defense can give the offense shorter fields and take the pressure off of them to score. They can get them the ball back.

All three phases of the game are intertwined. You’ll hear coaches talk about “complimentary football” and this is what they mean. Offense helps defense, defense helps offense.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jan 22, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I can understand that. Do you really feel that even with the 85 Bears D that this offense would put a significantly greater number of points up? (Maybe the D does the scoring?)

by -bobby- on Jan 23, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, we would have put up more points.

I think its great to want a fearsome defense, I just think that a defense that isn’t all-world but works together with your offense is better than a defense that is really talented but doesn’t do what your offense counts on it to do.

And that picks and free agent dollars are best spent in ways that add the most value to the team, not by concentrating them all in one area.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Case in point, how many games did we lose on special teams last year? Probably at least 2, maybe 3. How about SF last night?

by HenryDawg on Jan 23, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is why we need to use Cribbs to the best of his abilities. He’s not a natural WR, though he does alright at times. he’s a special teams ace and I am 100% fine playing him there only. offense and Defense and Special teams go hand in hand.

Did anyone else notice Costanzo out there on the OT coin flip? I miss players like that, he’s a special teams ace and its about time those guys are given as much credit as the O & D Starters. I was so wanting San fran to win, and to lose it on a special teams gaff – it hurts. Especially letting that glorified game manager get to the big game again – Peyton is a true HOF QB, lil bro, well not so much IMO…

"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011

by J. W. on Jan 23, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

You don’t think if Eli wins another SB he won’t get in to the HoF? If he wins in 2 weeks I think he’s a lock. Maybe not first ballot, but he’ll get in.

by Brownie's Year on Jan 23, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. I don’t think that means he deserves it, but I think he’ll get in. Especially considering the comeback he led in the first super bowl.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Jan 25, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like it wasn’t all Seeley magic.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

if you have the ball, that means the other team doesnt, hence not being able to score, therefore helping the D by not allowing the other team opportunities to score.

That’s exactly what the phrase means and it works both ways. A good O is a good D and a good D is a good O. Like rufio said, both sides of the ball need to compliment each other. A good D will give your O the ball. A good O will keep your D off the field. And a fresh D will help give the ball back to the O. It’s the circle of life for football.

by Brownie's Year on Jan 23, 2012 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

A good O also gives the other team a long field so your defense has more room to “bend.” And/or score to put pressure on the opposing offense. Its all connected.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jan 23, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

If you mean by kicking off a lot so the other team starts mostly at their 20, then yeah.

by Brownie's Year on Jan 23, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Kicking off or at least moving the ball and flipping field position. I know Mesko has a huge leg but he isn’t punting it 80 yards.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

As of right now (this may change depending on which side of the McCoy fence in my brain I wind up on), I think this is the first draft we’ve had since expansion where I think a virtually pure Best Player Available is the best strategy. My only caveat is that if the Browns’ personnel department grades a defensive player a slim point above an offensive player on their board I’d agree with taking the offensive player but it would have to be a near toss up. We’ve got a bunch of picks in the first couple rounds and with a max value strategy, needs can be filled while also adding depth across the roster.

So, there might be a wide receiver a little further down the list than say a linebacker. But, if that linebacker is the better football player and can penetrate those zone run plays like the ones Houston annihilated us with, more often, our defense can get ahead of the downs. A guy like Sheard can get aggressive and get that sack, or let our secondary play pure pass and get that INT that changes field position and helps our offense generate points in a way that filling a “need” at WR with a lesser prospect won’t as easily achieve. A similar hypothetical could be made for taking an offensive player over a defensive one that fills a need but isn’t as highly graded.

Focusing on either side of the ball is a hard sell for me in this draft, well… at least for the next five minutes.

by Mal Reynolds on Jan 25, 2012 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

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