What do we do with the fourth overall pick?
by SergeantWaffle on Jan 2, 2012 3:42 AM EST
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I really like the options that Cleveland has this year! I think there are about 4 things that could happen with this pick and I am excited about each one. First, and I think most likely, is that we land the next michael vick, RGIII. Second, we trade up for luck and give away a crap ton of picks. Third, we select the talented wideout from oklahoma, Blackmon. Fourth, we end up with the Bama Beast. I know it's early but as a die hard browns fan there isn't much else to look forward to, draft day is our super bowl and this year, with all of our picks, we are the favorites! Here we go Brownies, here we go
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When Griffin falls to 4, trade with Washington for their 2012 and 2013 1st rounders and their 2012 2nd rounder!
by johnf34 on Jan 2, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
At some point, we need to quit trading down and start taking chances to get our franchise-changing player. I think this is the year.
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No, it isn’t. If you wait until the “ideal” time to draft a QB, you’ll never draft one. If Luck or RG3 seem like “the guy” to H&H, it’s time to pull the trigger and get one of them. A great QB will make many of our other players look a lot better.
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You take the QB whenever you can get him.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
how about trading down, picking up a bunch of offensive weapons, and drafting a qb in the lower rounds? We could potentially fill in alot of holes with the extra picks, and not leave the QB situation stagnant. Cousins, Keenum or Kellen Moore? These guys could be haved for pretty much a throwaway pick that would normally be used on a “project guy” that doesn’t pan out…
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Tannehill looks like a good prospect but he could move into the first, definitely second rounder. Kellen Moore is similar to McCoy so I would just keep McCoy. TLP like Cousins and that guy hates everyone.
Kellen Moore is about 1.5" short of being a top ten draft pick.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
(this was in all seriousness BTW – if the guy was a couple inches taller, with the frame for a little extra bulk, with his talent he’d be an all-world prospect)
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t know much about Dorsey, but I’ll assume you’re referring to his arm strength. That’s partly what I meant with the added inches / slightly larger frame, implying that a couple of inches on your frame usually translates to a bigger arm. Obviously his height and arm strength are his two major negatives. Not that I think that height is necessarily a huge factor, but if your not 6’ tall at the very minimum, you’re not going to get taken seriously as an NFL prospect.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 5, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
a "project guy" that doesn’t pan out…
Like a late round quarterback!
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i would rather take a shot on a QB late than another clifton geathers or syndric steptoe. this is a deep draft for QB’s, and if we are not going to use our first pick on a QB I think we could still get a talented guy to do SOMETHING for us
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The odds of a Clifton Geathers or Syndric Steptoe working out as a late round pick are higher than a QB working out as a late round pick; and don’t bother cherry picking Tom Brady, I know, I know. But history tells us our chances of finding a HOF, Super Bowl winning QB are much higher if we get him in the first round. With the position we’re in and the two guys that are available, it’s time to get one. No more projects.
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I wasn’t suggesting a late round QB was going to be a HOF, super bowl QB for us. I was simply offering another approach to this year’s draft. I didn’t make that clear. I think this draft is deep enough at QB that we could get a an upgrade from our current QB’s in the later rounds, or at the least create more competition at the position. I would rather see this happen than simply doing NOTHING at QB. I want RG3, but if we go in another direction, I would still like us to grab a QB somewhere. But I guess the counter to that is what is the point of getting a QB if you know he is not your long-term starter…
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was going to be a HOF, super bowl QB for us.
Ok, let’s widen the criteria to “Starting Quality”. Your search has 2 results.
Tom Brady
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And to your above suggestions, you will not find a more ardent defender of Keenum’s college play. I even wrote a devil’s advocate article advocating for Keenum for the heisman over Luck. However, he is not going to be a good NFL QB.
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I think Keenum would be interesting in 4th or 5th rd. he gets the ball out so damn quick. I could see him and norwood working really well together.
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I think Keenum’s one of those system QBs that won’t do much in the NFL? Someone correct me if I’m wrong though.
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by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 3, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
interesting, but not interested and I like the guy.
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like a third round quarterback
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by findlaybrownslover on Jan 2, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
We might as well as keep Colt, which I would like to do anyway.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 2, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
No way on Kellen Moore. Not even at 7.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 3, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
wow i cant believe hes not even projected to get drafted…too small i guess
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no, he is projected to be drafted. Les Fleurs just doesn’t want the Browns to draft him.
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i know he doesn’t, and in alot of cases kellen is projected as a free agent…
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Is-Kellen-Moore-even-worth-a-draft-pick.html
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He isn’t even projected there as a free agent, but a later round guy who may (key part may) go undrafted. If you asked Bunting to bet on where Kellen would go, it would be in the draft, but probably not higher than the 5th. this is where I generally see people projecting him.
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brad this is brandon hall from SHHS! u always posted some good shit on my angry browns statuses, not surprised to see you on this site. And im just surprised a guy with such a fantastic college career is going as a late 7th rounder or RFA in some peoples mind, but after looking more he does seem to be projecting all over the place a little. Do you wanna go with RG3 for our first pick?
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I think moore could maybe find a nice fit, but being under 6’0’’ and having a noodle arm definitely hurts him.
I like RG3. The guy shows really good accuracy and can make all the throws…and he can run.
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now I feel stupid for not being able to tell who it is. missed the last name.
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I agree with your weapons statement. I think we should address the QB in FA, and go after weapons in the draft. Richardson at 4 or if Kalil is available take him. Kalil may not be a weapon but will still be an asset. How do you feel about alshon jeffery, Blackmon looked solid in the game last night, but he may not be there for us? OR what if we did trade down like you and Jon said and load up on talent. The skins are dumb enough to do that trade i do believe.
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My first choice would be to get RG3 if he is there, this is just another possible approach. If the browns decide not to draft a QB with the first pick, and blackmon is gone when we are on the clock, we would be dumb not to trade down a few spots and load up on picks. Definitely need to get an impact receiver though, either through the draft or FA
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No RB at #4 and definitely not T with Joe Thomas already on the roster. Luck, RGIII, Blackmon, Claiborne, BPA (that isn’t the two aforementioned players), or trade down (if possible).
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 4, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
RG3 will fall to 4th.
St. Louis doesn’t want him, they’re good with Bradford. They’ll take Kalil or Blackmon,
Indianapolis will take Luck.
Minnesota is surely fine with Ponder for now, they’ll take whoever St. Louis doesn’t take.
We get RGIII.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 2, 2012 1:42 PM EST reply actions
I think the general thought is that you’re right except that Washington or another team like them could throw a crap load of picks at either to move up.
More food for thought…
Miami picks up Flynn before the draft. So Washington gives H&H a call on draft day: “hey guys, we’re interested in RG3 and Minnesota is asking just a tad too much. Hell we know they aren’t going to take RG3. We think they’re going to go ahead take Claiborne cuz no one else is going to pay what they’re asking. How about we trade spots (we get your #4 pick and you’ll pick at #6), and we’ll give you guys our 2nd and 3rd round picks plus our 1st rounder next year.”
The Bucs aren’t going to take Blackmon at #5 because they already have a couple of excellent WRs (and they desperately need to upgrade all over the map on defense). We get Blackmon at #6 and OLB Zach Brown with our 2nd first round pick. Then we have two 2nd rounders and two 3rd rounders. And with two first rounders next year we’ll be set if we decide its time to pull the trigger on a top QB prospect.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 2, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Depends. If H&H think RG3 has the potential to be a franchise QB, I wouldn’t be cool with that. I assume if they made that trade, they wouldn’t think that though.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 2, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Right, my hypothetical was assuming H&H had also contacted Minnesota (or St. Louis) and the price was too high, or they had just decided against RG3 for whatever reasons.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 3, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Shanny going to us anyway, cuz the everyone knows the vikes are not taking a QB. I already avocated this, but not sure if we’d get guys and picks, though I wouldn’t mind any upgrade from anywhere.
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Do not want the RB, i’d say blackmon, don’t want RG3 either. Hillis can be better next year i ye stays healthy. I was thinking getting lamicheal james in the second!
by lightninmcqueen on Jan 2, 2012 2:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Can black QBs only be compared to other black QBs? Every single time . . .
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 2, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There is no fast white QBs
by lightninmcqueen on Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Even still, it’s an incredibly ignorant/stupid/moronic comparison. Smiths completion percentage was 58 to Griffin’s 71. Smith had plenty of off the field issues people were concerned with, Griffin is a model citizen and academic beast. Smith only had one full season as a collegiate QB – Griffin has had multiple seasons to learn and grow. Griffin is actually faster and uses his legs more while still being a “pass first” QB. It’d be stupid not to use world class speed if you have it. Griffin is Taylor made for the offense we run and would be a drastic improvement over Colt. He’s got solid bulk despite popular opinion and a great deep throw. The Akili Smirh comparison is only valid if you’re worried about race, because other than that, they really aren’t even particularly comparable players. It’s like ignorant morons who say Hillis reminds them of Alstott.
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by troy145 on Jan 2, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
While i do admit. Black QBs do get compared only to other black QBs, RG3 does have amazing talent. He is tiny. He is 6’2 which isn’t bad. But he is skinny as hell. He is going to need that speed to run for his life against the afc north!
by lightninmcqueen on Jan 2, 2012 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
RG3 = 2002 Rich Gannon
Accuracy… pocket presense… deep ball…. mobility… clutch.. same type of delivery
His skill set lends to carrying lesser talent around him. Only concern i would have with him is size. If he checks out as 6’2" 220 then i would get him.. same size as Matthew Stafford when he came out.. Same Size as Rich Gannon.
I have this feeling he is going to be really good. Cleveland should defintely pass on him
Eh… Griffin’s got world class speed, not just mobility.
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maybe Gannon with more mobility.
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Maybe in training camp, Grossi will ask him how long he’s been a black quarterback.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 2, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Randall Cunningham.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 2, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see Randall Cunningham
Only because Randall wasn’t as good in college as a passer. Good runner though. But if people would stop camparing every black quarterback to him and look at skill sets and who his game looks like… it is Rich Gannon 2002 version.
Gannon didn’t have world class speed and had an average arm. RG3 has a live arm and real speed. I see some similarities, but Gannon was the classic overachiever who spent his entire life in the film room. RG3 is a naturally talented athlete/quarterback/superstar in the making who composes himself well even when he’s put in the spotlight.
I could see him more closely compared to Steve Young.
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In addition to working on your grammar, you might also want to work on your facts.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 2, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Wow grammer nazi, my bad. There are no fast white QBs. And apparently someone mistook my sarcasm as seriousness. Congradulations.
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…Congratulations* :oP
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 2, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
funny enough, that is probably who RG3 is the closest too physically.
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Isit just me, or does RG3 look smaller on TV then he actually is?
by lightninmcqueen on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Matt Jones.
Bastard ran like a 4.34
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 3, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
. . . chasing his coke dealer through the streets of Fayetteville
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The next Vick
Maybe I didn’t really think a lot about “the next Michael Vick” comment it., i sure didnt intend for it to sound like a black stereotype, maybe I did lump him in with a few other black running QB’s…my bad. To tell you the truth I may not have analyzed his style and abailities as much as many of you have, I’m sure I will get a better look in the coming months with the combine.
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by SergeantWaffle on Jan 2, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Blackmon just scored twice in a row. 43 yarder, the other a 67 yarder, has 2 receptions for 110 yards for 2 TDs. WOW
by lightninmcqueen on Jan 2, 2012 9:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He didn’t do anything amazing, but he didn’t have to because the ball was right there. He did show he isn’t easy to bring down and he has enough breakaway speed.
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That is true. Abd on the first catch, he was wide open, but that 20 yarder showed he csn be tough to bring down.
by lightninmcqueen on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He’s basically a Greg Little with clean route running and great hands.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 3, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
let’s not even compare the two because Blackmon’s catching ability and route running is world’s ahead. There actually isn’t one receiver that he really compares to.
He is somewhere between Roddy White and Boldin physically. Both are 6’1’’ guys with Bulk and Blackmon isn’t nearly as fast as White, but is bulkier. He is faster, but not as bulky as Boldin.
If I had to describe him he would be Roddy White (closest h/w/s) meets Larry FItzgerald (in terms of jumping, route running, catching, body control).
He isn’t 6’3’’ like Fitz, but that is the last guy I remember coming out with the body control catching the ball that Blackmon has.
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but he didn’t have to because the ball was right there
On that first TD the ball was thrown slightly behind him. I was a little worried when I first saw it because I noticed he caught it in his gut instead of reaching out to it like WR are supposed to, but that wasn’t a perfect pass.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 2, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Alshon Jeffery at S. Carolina had a huge day as well vs. Nebraska. Until he was thrown out . . .
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Not a huge Jeffery fan.
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Havent watched him play much but do we think Jonathan Baldwin is a proper equivalent?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 3, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Baldwin is a good equivalent. I think Jeffery might be a bit better at catching the ball, but very similar. Both compared to Brandon marshall a lot because he is the prototype for the big WR, but I don’t think either one has his athleticism to get open.
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I’d be okay with him with our 2nd pick if we got RG3 instead of Blackmon. Not one of my top players to take at that pick, but I wouldn’t have a huge problem with it.
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It’s a reach, but I would take Kendall Wright, or take someone else and hope Wright falls to our second rounder. He isn’t going to be a number one, but he is definitely a deep threat and can stretch the field.
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I’d take Wright over Jeffery because I feel we need a guy who can stretch the field and has more deep speed. Considering our needs, I definitely take Wright over Jeffery.
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dead on, our offense lacks speed and explosiveness, and the two often go hand in hand.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 9, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
a guy i would keep an eye on later in the draft is that stewart kid from stanford.
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by findlaybrownslover on Jan 2, 2012 10:43 PM EST reply actions
I’ve thought about the fourth pick all too much lately. It’s giving me a headache. I just hope the front office does what’s best for the team and we start winning some games.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 2, 2012 11:22 PM EST reply actions
If they want RGIII they take him, if not trade it unless Blackmon is available, then they’ll take him.
by macdowellm03 on Jan 3, 2012 1:03 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I’m kinda turning around on blackmon. Don’t think there will be many choices at our position if griffin is gone.
wouldn’t it be awesome if we had Julio Jones and Blackmon?
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 AM EST reply actions
Not compared to Blackmon, Taylor, Little, Marecic, and whoever we take with Atlanta’s 1st this year. And it’s not even close.
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by kwoog on Jan 3, 2012 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree, but I don’t think Marecic helped your argument much. Although, he can catch out of the backfield.
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by Simmsinns on Jan 3, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
two great players are better than one and a bunch of flops
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
So they’re officially flops after 1 year? At least admit Little has some ceiling considering he’s still learning a new position with a lousy offense and still had just a few less catches than AJ Green.
Yup – there is no reason at all to call Little a flop. 61 catches for 709 yards is a very, very solid season for a rookie WR, especially when that rookie plays for a team without a very good QB, who sat out of football for his last season in college, and then had almost no offseason due to the lockout. Is he better than AJ Green or Julio Jones right now? Hell no. Does he have potential to be a very, very solid part of our offense for years to come? Hell yes. That ain’t a flop.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 3, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
That’s our best season out of a WR since 2007.
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Yes, that alone says quite a bit.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 3, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
709 when you’re the #1 WR in an offense that is completely dependent on that player is nothing. A good amount of those yards came from garbage time, he has one of the worst catch/target percentages in the league and he’s one of the worst when it comes to drops.
So you’re once again essentially saying a bunch of mediocre players would be better than a great one.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 3, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I am not saying anything other than calling Greg Little a flop based on his rookie season in the NFL is a joke. You are just talking out of your ass as usual. WRs take more than one season to develop and to see what you’ve got (the examples of WRs turning it on in their second and especially third season are endless) — add in the problems unique to this season and this particular receiver and it is easy to see why Little still has potential to be a better receiver than he is today (which is not that bad).
As for our offense being “completely dependent” on Greg Little, can you please send me some of the crack you are smoking?
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 3, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
crap, had a long diatribe about how you are wrong but page screwed up. Here it is in short.
Yards and catch rate are very dependent on the QB. He ranks better than momass and slightly worse than Watson. These 3 players get some of the most downfield (10+ yard) targets. Norwood has a high catch rate, but he gets higher percentage passes, and so does Cribbs.
Actually, that 709 is only 2nd to Pierre Garcon when you look at #2 options in offenses that passed as much as we did. Plus, he didn’t face the strength of coverage of Garcon.
He isn’t a good #1 yet, but he isn’t even the worst of the teams who were similarly inept at throwing the ball.
He isn’t a #1 WR yet, but he has shown promise and isn’t too far off.
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crap, had a long diatribe about how you are wrong but page screwed up. Here it is in short.
He’s going to say that you made this up as an excuse because you are a poor debater and that it’s a cop out because you really have nothing to say.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 4, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
haha, touche.
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Actually, that 709 is only 2nd to Pierre Garcon when you look at #2 options in offenses that passed as much as we did. Plus, he didn’t face the strength of coverage of Garcon.
What the hell, Little was the #1 WR option for most of the season. And most of little’s catches came against LB’s, as most of his routes ran across the field as opposed to up the field.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
did you even read my 2nd part or were you just selectively highlighting a part to call me out in hopes no one else read it?
I pointed out that he wasn’t a good #1. Honestly, if you expect a rookie, even if he is “the #1 WR”, to put up numbers like Reggie Wayne or Brandon marshall, you are completely delusional.
You know what, I’ll just leave it at delusional.
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Some of the best receivers in the NFL frequently are among the league leaders in drops and drop rate. Bad stat.
See Wes Welker, Roddy White and Clavin Johnson this season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 4, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think his man-crush Julio had a worse catch rate than Roddy too.
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Some of the worst are also amongst the league leaders
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
You talk out of both sides of your mouth. I believe you enjoy complaining and believe your own BS. If the Browns start making the playoffs you are going to STILL be complaining because your are a like a bitter, little old lady.
by OldTimeDawg on Jan 5, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The bottom line is if you have an unproven rookie or 2nd year WR who is dropping a lot of passes, it is absolutely relevant.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 5, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
why even mention Jones?
Blackmon himself will be awesome. I think he very well could end up being better than Jones when it’s all said and done.
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What evidence supports this assessment?
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 3, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
If for no other reason than Julio was graded as mid first rounder and Blackmon likely is top 5. It’s like comparing Julio to Green, they’re not quite the same. The athleticism of Blackmon and Green is much better than Julio’s.
What the hell are you talking about, Jones was always considered top 10, and there was debate that he could go before Green after he dominated at the combine.
When blackmon was mocked last year, it was always after Jones
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 4, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
And Blackmon isn’t the most athletic WR
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 4, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
much better hands. When I saw Jones in college, he didn’t have anywhere close to the body control that Blackmon has. You criticize Little and if you want a guy with hands, I think Blackmon may have some of the best hands from an elite prospect in a while.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I think we better get the O.C. wrapped up first. Obviously he should have some input. Then there is the McCoy discussion. I mean, I know he is struggling but can an O.C. design an offense that caters to his strengths? Especially if the Right side isn’t getting annihilated? I’ve been rooting for him to succeed and he hasn’t yet. He’s the face so he gets a lot of blame for the shortcomings of the entire team and poor offensive coaching. Then if he does get a full second season, will we be kicking ourselves that we didn’t go after RG3? There’s also a possibility we could trade McCoy to Indy to sit behind Manning’s last few years and grow up a bit, learn etc. The kid is a gamer and he is certainly not Brady Quinn by any means. After that is sorted, we need a RT, WR, Younger faster LB’s, DE. A can’t miss at any of these five positions would be music to my ears. Secondarily, no pun intended, we could use a new CB and FS. If we get Luck or RG3, i’m ok with it. If we trade down and solidly address 5 or 6 positions other than QB this year, i’m ok with that too. I want us to win but as the off season looms large, I’m not so cranky, I have a renewed sense of hope for what we can do this year. Sorry so long, don’t think I ever posted something this monstrous before though.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions
The problem I see with trading down is the most we’ll be able to add this year is an extra second round pick. After round 2 your odds of finding the type of players you’re describing is falling fast. They’ve also indicated that some of these things will be addressed with free agency this year as well. Last year was an odd one for FA because it was only a few days long and was after the draft. This year Heckert could add some solid pieces before we even get to the draft.
I think they wanted to see which teams were going to go nuts on FA and what players were going to become Cap casulties, fully well knowing that we weren’t SuperBowl quality yet. Also there are some players that we could get and upgrade positions, like WR.
As for the draft, I cannot see not getting more than a 2nd rounder for trading down, even with Washington.
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I don’t think its worth trading a top 10 pick unless you get another #1 in the next draft and at least #2 in this one.
I agree and this could be the selling point of RGIII. You’ve got the Viking fans thinking that they are going to get a gaggle of draft picks for either Luck or RGIII (I guess Dungy said the Colts should take RGIII on TV). I dont see the Vikes getting out of there spot, price is too high, but I can see Heckert pulling a hybrid draft picks/players thing.
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Not being a shit here, but I did say a can’t miss at one of the five positions and “solidly address” others. In that scenario, we have 2 1st, 2 2nd and 2 3rd. Another 2 number ones next year. I wasn’t implying we could get 5 or 6 can’t miss guys.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of an OC, I believe we should shy away from Childress judging from reading what Vikings fans have had to say about him the past few years. Unless Shurmer is able to put him in his place Childress could end up being a disrupting influence here. Just my opinion. I would prefer Sherman or Zorn over Childress.
Cowboy fans thought Wade Phillips was an idiot.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Very true, your scenario takes free agency into account also. Now Holmgren has to decide if a second year coaching staff is worth buying the farm or if slow and steady wins the race. Would I like to see us go all out, hell yeah! I suppose I could be patient and build through the draft as well. I’m just embracing my pragmatism here.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 11:01 AM EST reply actions
Another reply fail. Doh.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Probably a little of both. I could see them getting a RT or a WR in FA, maybe even Flynn if they like him, but I think overall they go with mostly building through the draft. You’ll also notice last year a lot of the FAs were younger guys and I think that trend will continue. I think they want these guys all growing up together with their “core guys” providing the veteran leadership.
And by “buying the farm” I mean committing career suicide if we don’t succeed.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
We definitely need, in no particular order, WR, both lines, CB & LB. We may like to grab another QB or RB with our fist pick but I would go for offensive line and get protection for mcCoy or whomever. Seems like a nobrainer with 4th pick as we do not need another bust.
Wouldn’t hate it.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 4, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
When I read this thread it makes me ask the question: “why are we so afraid to get a quarterback in this town?” It is not like we’ve been using pick after pick to draft QBs in the first round. What the team has been doing is trying to win on gambles in the 3rd and higher rounds or pick up old-timer retreads and see if they have another good year in them. The QB touches the ball on every offensive down and is clearly the most important player on offense on the field. We keep asking ourselves why the Browns are so bad year after year and here is your answer. They have to take some risk on the QB and it isn’t that often you get a chance like this year. This is the chance to change this team’s future. They should do everything they can to pick up Luck and if not that, make a big effort to get Griffith. So what if they bust? It is no worse than getting a defensive lineman or linebacker or WR or whatever that busts with the 4th pick. We have done that too. You just reload and try again next time. This team is in obvious need of a QB and it is time to do it.
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by Brownsyup on Jan 3, 2012 2:37 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
I hear that, my point was BPA at one of those five positions (QB,LB,DE,OT,WR). If we trade down and can go BPA at two of those positions instead of QB and still have 2 first rounders next year, I hear that too.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
When I say BPA, I guess I mean someone we feel will be a “can’t miss”.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
So totally agree, I think this town is stuck in the pre-new CBA era where a #1 QB bust set you back years with cap. With the new rookie wage scale there’s so much less risk. I also love when people compare our line now to the one we had for Tim Couch, they’re not even in the same solar system in terms of quality.
Well, whoever that deals with, maybe they saw how the Ravens disregarded the right side of our line this year.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
It is no worse than getting a defensive lineman or linebacker or WR or whatever that busts with the 4th
If you bet the farm on him, yes, it most certainly is. Much worse.
I don’t think anyone is arguing we shouldn’t take RG3 if he lands in our laps. I’ll be the first one to say that if it becomes clear that RG3 is going to fall to us at #4 – take him.
But a big part of the debate right now is what price are we willing to pay, assuming we’re looking at a bidding war in order to move up to get either him or Luck. At this point it seems highly likely RG3’s stock is pushing him up into Luck territory in terms of teams that are in desperate need of a QB. In order to get either one, a team is going to have to trade up with St. Louis or Minnesota in order to get him. And both Washington and Miami are likely going to be sitting at that poker table upping the ante.
In order to get either Luck or RG3, at this point I’d venture to guess that it is probably going to cost us, at a minimum, this year’s first round picks plus next year’s 1st rounder as well. If we’re bidding on Luck, you can probably add in a couple more high round picks as well. And I’m guessing Indy is going to take him regardless unless someone basically offers them their entire draft from this year and next year (and I just don’t see H&H mortgaging the farm…).
Blackmon will be an immediate impact playmaker for our offense, and there is a very strong possibility he’ll be there when we pick at the #4 spot. We might even be able to maneuver ourselves into a trade down situation (with Washington…) and STILL get Blackmon. No muss, no fuss – no picks sacrificed. And we could still pick up a QB somewhere (2nd, 3rd rounder, FA, etc.) to compete with McCoy.
Its not about being afraid of getting a quarterback. With another offseason, and with a couple extra playmakers (especially a big time playmaker in Blackmon), if we preserve those extra picks and maybe pick up a stud LB and a RT and maybe a DE, etc. I believe we could will be a very competitive team next year.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 3, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Minny or STL is only dropping 1 or 2 spots and they still get their player it’s not going to cost us a first next year. Remember we got the extra first this year because we dropped from 6 to 27 last year. 2 spots isn’t worth it.
Perhaps, but Washington could throw a serious wrench in those gears. RG3 is going to be a hot commodity. If we have to outbid them, I think its probably going to cost much more than just our two first rounders. I’d bet Washington makes a big play for him. I’m guessing they’re desperate to move on from Grossman. For a 9 year veteran, he’s been pretty awful. And then there’s Miami…
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 3, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
We have the bullets to compete plus them trading with either of those teams mean them sliding much further down which means the difference between drafting Ryan Kalil vs. Jonathon Martin or drafting Blackmon vs. Jeffries. Also I would predict Tampa takes Claiborne so they’re not going to be able to take him either. Minny and STL are weird in that they both need LT, CB and WR more than any other position. They trade with us, they still get the best guy on the board at any of those 3. Trade with Mia or Wash and you’re getting the second best.
Make sense. So maybe we can get RG3 by just spending our other 1st rounder. If that’s the case, I’d say go for it. What do you think the chances are RG3 actually falls to us at #4?
If Washington (or Washington trying to outbid us and Miami…) ends up doing something crazy (boatload of picks from this year and next year…), I’d hate to see us use up more picks to outbid them.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure he falls to four. There’s already speculation that he could even go number 1 instead of Luck.
Though it’s merely speculation, I’d say moving up to 2 would be a good move. If the FO likes both QBs, then we could take whoever falls there and be happy. And if the Colts decide to pass on a QB, then we get whoever we want if they don’t trade the pick away.
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Have to say, I’ll be shocked if the Colts pass on Luck.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
He specifically said it’s no worse than getting one of those other position players and they bust with the 4th pick. Then you twisted it around to say we were gonna have to package together some other picks to move up and draft one of the QB’s so that will make it much worse of a bust. Well, of course that makes it much worse!! But, you’re comparing two completely different things. I agree with him, if you draft a WR at 4 or a QB at 4 and they bust, neither one is really worse than the other.
I don’t think anyone is arguing we shouldn’t take RG3 if he lands in our laps. I’ll be the first one to say that if it becomes clear that RG3 is going to fall to us at #4 – take him.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
I have to say, I can’t remember the last time this team could actually fill most of it’s holes in one off season. For that I am so pumped.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions
Funny how just 2 good drafts can do that for you. If Hardesty ever gets fixed and Cameron becomes a player that’s just more gravy.
I gotta argue 3.82 good drafts outta last 5.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I have no factual reason for this but I like Cameron.
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Call it the golan gut.
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Isn’t he un-banned yet? Where is that guy?
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Call it the golan gut.call it the team on the jersey he wears
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 3, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Huh? What if he wears the same jersey u do?
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I have no factual reason for this
Nothing to do with the jersey. I happen to think a lot of our players are scrubs.
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This is true. I’m the one that thinks every one of our players is a pro bowler until they prove otherwise. I don’t remember NTN doing that.
Facts, who needs em when you’re trolling?
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 4, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s because he’s sexy
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 3, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Sexy is white wine and Corinne Bailey Rae but that is a whole other thread.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a fact!
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 3, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
I do too.
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If Hardesty ever gets fixed
1. When you’re made of glass, even when you’re fixed, you’re one play away from broken again.
2. I’m skeptical an entirely healthy Hardesty (if such a thing is even exists) would even be that good.
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Its all IFs with him at this point. I’ve written him off so if he comes back to be Ben Tate (the RB picked right before him) then its gravy. I don’t know why they traded back up for him (or Phil Taylor) but I’m in just trust em mode and if some of their decisions crash I’ll live with it as long as they hit on 60-70% that’s pretty good.
Even while becoming an acceptable backup RB would be a world of improvement for Hardesty, it’s less than what I’d hope for from our second round picks.
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Totally, he needs to be a starter. Ben Tate would be a starter on most teams who don’t have Arian Foster.
Careful with that. That blocking scheme makes a lot of players look a hell of a lot better than they are. It’s basically what Denver ran under Shanahan.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
and they have one of the best (if not the best) RT in the league
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I think he’s pretty darn good when healthy, but yeah, how often is that?
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I think he will look better next season. Takes two years to come back from the knee injury.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 4, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
- Hope RGIII falls to 4 and snag him
- Wait and take Blackmon
I voted for the latter, but only because I don’t think RG3 will fall to us at #4, and Blackmon is going to be a beast.
He’d be a huge upgrade to our WR corps and I think there’s a much better chance he’ll be there at #4.
I’ll be interested to look at more film on RG3 though, and see how things shake out after the combine. I have to say that at this point I’m pretty much sold on taking RG3 if he does fall to us at #4. Its hard to see how you can pass him up IMO. I’m surprised to see only 33% of voters choosing this option in the poll.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 8:41 AM EST reply actions
I voted for the former for what it’s worth.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Unless something very weird comes up with RG3 (some strange skeleton from the closet / a horrible showing on pro day and in the combine, etc., non of which is remotely likely IMO), its hard to see how you don’t take him if he’s there at #4.
I still believe in McCoy. But the bottom line is he hasn’t exactly wowed the socks off of the organization.
I think if you bring RG3 in, McCoy will probably respond well with the competition. If he really steps up and plays lights out, we’ve got a great prospect sitting there – i.e. “we’ve got a Kolb situation” as some would put it. If McCoy tanks, give RG3 a shot and maybe he’s the one who lights it up. Its a win/win.
I guess its also possible of course that they take RG3 and trade McCoy. I have to say I would be disappointed if McCoy didn’t get another shot and his career in Cleveland ended with the concussion.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
We think a lot alike.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I hope they don’t trade McCoy because he would obviously go to some team and win the Super Bowl the next year and then all of Northern Ohio will drink poison kool-aid and drop dead.
Ha! You sarcastic dick.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
we are cursed like that…
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I don’t think we’d necessarily have to trade McCoy. He was picked in the third so it’s not like we have the whole salary cap invested in him. I think he’d make an excellent backup too. I think it’s more likely we would trade/cut Seneca or Thaddius.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 4, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, does anyone here believe McCoy would like to be a backup? Until this year he was all-time.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
No one wants to be a backup.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
“New and creative ways to lose close games” by Seneca Wallace
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 4, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
“How to play like a rookie in just 9 years” by Seneca Wallace
by HenryDawg on Jan 4, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
LMAO. Poor Seneca.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I voted for the latter, but only because I don’t think RG3 will fall to us at #4, and Blackmon is going to be a beast.
He’d be a huge upgrade to our WR corps and I think there’s a much better chance he’ll be there at #4.
Agreed.
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Trade down, trade down…
It could be Johnny U there at the #4 and the rest of this team is so bad it wouldn’t matter. The lines and D aren’t good enough yet. Let Washington overpay. it’s what they do.
The D is what kept us close and competitive in games this year. If you think our O-line isn’t good you must not have been watching in the early years after 99. What we need is a talent injection in the “skill” areas of the offense and we won’t be picking in the top ten anymore. I trust Heckert to bring us to the promised land. ind you since he’s been here we’ve drafted overwhelmingly defensive. A quick look at NFL.com’s stat section garners that: Our Pass D is #2 in the league, we are #5 in points allowed, we are #10 in total D, and #30 in run D. Obviously there is one area there to majorly improve in but I would say our D is pretty good and our O line is solid even with scrubs like Pinkston, Lauvao, Hicks, or Cousins in there thanks to JT and Alex Mack.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 4, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
We are all hoping so.
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