Pat Shurmur's Season-Closing Press Conference
Cleveland Browns head coach Pat Shurmur met with the media Tuesday afternoon for his season-closing press conference.
After the jump, I have posted the transcript of the press conference in full, but I have organized it by topic. These topics include comments about Colt McCoy, the team's running back situation, how Joshua Cribbs performed, hiring an offensive coordinator, how he did in his first season as a head coach, and more.
OPENING STATEMENT
(Opening Statement)- "Good afternoon and happy new year. This will be the last one of these for a while and I've had fun this year with these. As we finish the year, I would say we are two days into the next year, in my opinion. I look back on this season and we didn't win enough games and I realize that. As we move forward, I think what's important is that we take the things that we did well and we move forward. As I mentioned, we are into the second day of the offseason here and we'll go through a thorough evaluation process of the players, the coaches, the process, how we do things, how we coach things, plays we'll run more and ones we'll never see again. We'll go through that process. I feel good as we move forward because I like to be able to structure things, and this offseason will now be structured. I think of this as really my first offseason as we prepare for a regular season and I'm looking forward to that.
"I understand that we need to improve. I have a much clearer picture of what this team is, of who my players are, of how our coaches and players interact and I feel good going forward making some of the necessary changes that need to be made. I will say this, you are probably going to have some questions for me that I'm not going to be able to answer at this point, but shoot away. There are some that I can, but as we go through the evaluation process as I project forward, there might be some things that I just can't quite answer yet. I think that might be the answer as we go forward.
"I think about the fans, as I replay that last game in my mind. The snow was coming down and as we were executing that last drive in the snow, the fans were in it right until the end and I really believed that we were going to win with the last throw and we had a chance. Throughout the year, we've talked about the fans and what they expect, and they should expect a team that wins. That's what we are trying to build here and I'm very confident that we will get that done. All the way up until the end, players, coaches, fans, those of us that are fighting for the Cleveland Browns, were in it all the way until the end. We'll do what we have to do to change those outcomes for next season."
COLT MCCOY AND THE QB SITUATION
(On if Colt McCoy is the starting quarterback going into 2012)- "As we go forward here with Colt, I feel like he has done some really good things. We'll get him back healthy and get him in an offseason where he has a chance to develop. I would say this, at all positions, other than maybe left tackle with Joe Thomas and one of the corners with Joe Haden, there is going to be some competition. I expect that Colt will improve, just like I expect Seneca (Wallace) will improve and whomever the quarterbacks are here. I think that can be said for all positions. The best quarterback will play when we start the season."
(On if it is an admission that McCoy is not an elite quarterback if they go into training camp with that mentality)- "I'm not admitting anything yet because I want to see these guys develop. Every player that we have here I expect that they are going to improve, develop and produce. That is what I expect from him. If you produce well enough, you become elite. If you don't, then you may end up being average and then if you don't, then you move on."
(On if he needs to add another quarterback for this competition or if it will be just McCoy and Wallace)- "I don't think I said competition. What I said was I'm expecting the quarterbacks that are here to develop through the offseason and we are going to play the best one."
(On if the amount of time already invested in McCoy factors into the situation)- "No. I think we've invested in a lot of players, some of whom will be here next year and some that won't. I think we've invested a lot of time in trying to make the Cleveland Browns a winner and I think that's the way I look at it."
(On if there was too much on Colt McCoy’s plate at the beginning of the season)- "I don’t think so. I think you always do what you have to do to win games. I don’t think I put too much on his plate, but as you go through the year you can see how much a guy can handle. I think he improved this year, I think he did some good things. He’s like a lot of players though, they’ve got to do more good things more of the time, and when you think about some of our players, who are extremely young, they’ll understand that. Some of the players that I talked with yesterday, I asked them what they thought of their first year as rookies. Most of them said, ‘Gosh, the season is long and the preparation,’ and they really commented on how you just have to keep playing, keep playing, keep playing and keep sticking to it and I think that’s important for all the guys."
(On if he said that he, Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert haven’t decided whether they like Colt McCoy or not)- "No, I was just clarifying what he asked, whether we like him or not. The answer to that is we’ve seen a guy that’s improved, we’ve seen a guy that’s really going to really benefit from an offseason as he approaches next season. There’s nothing there I don’t think, we are on the same page."
(On if he, Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert see Colt McCoy the same way)- "In terms of whether we like him or not? I think we see Colt as a guy that’s improved, kind of like I’ve been saying, and a guy that’s really going to benefit from an offseason."
(On McCoy and Sam Bradford from last year having their yards per attempt average around 5.9 and if that’s part of the system or if that’s just a young quarterback learning)- "It’s low and I think there are a lot of reasons for average per pass. I think as you get more completions down the field, as you see things better you might take a downfield throw a little quicker than a check down. There are reasons for that that go beyond system because you’re looking for, obviously, an average that’s a little bit higher."
(On Holmgren saying that it takes three years for a player to play fast in this system and if he agrees with that)- "I think it takes more than one, for sure. I really do. For a quarterback in any system there’s a learning curve and this was a year without an offseason so you’ve got to speed it up."
(On where McCoy got better at as the year went on)- "The game starts in the huddle with the play call, just being able to direct things, get guys lined up. I saw him become more efficient on just some of the basic progressions. I saw him make some better plays outside the pocket later in the year than he did earlier in the year. Leadership, being able to get guys lined up properly, all the real things you’re looking for from a quarterback."
(On if he thinks continuity is vital going forward at the quarterback position)- "I think it’s important that the players that are playing there develop and get to a position where they can play at a consistently high level. I think that’s important."
(On how crucial the McCoy decision is in terms of the future)- "We need to develop all of the players with him included. We’ll do what we have to do put the best quarterback on the field for our franchise. It’s critical that he gets better, I think he would tell you the same thing. We’ll move forward with that in mind."
(On if McCoy throws well enough to be the long term answer here)- "I don’t have a problem with the way Colt throws the ball. I think he throws the ball well enough. There’s so much more that goes into playing quarterback than just pure arm strength. I think you’ve seen through the years, examples of guys that, number one, have had extremely strong arms and couldn’t succeed. On the other side, guys that have been very efficient and not had very strong arms and won lots of games."
(On if McCoy threw the ball accurately enough this year)- "I would say that’s one of the things that improved as the year went along. There are a lot of components to accuracy; getting used to the receivers that are in there, being comfortable with the progressions and the timing of the throws. A lot of that comes with practice. It really does. It didn’t surprise me that as time went along and we continued to run 72 X Shallow Cross that he became more efficient executing it. That just confirmed for me to just keep practicing."
(On if Brad McCoy’s remarks will have any impact on Colt McCoy’s future with the team)- "Absolutely none. I addressed that the first day, I understand why. We had a conversation after it and I am sure Colt has talked to his dad. That has nothing to do with Colt as we move forward."
HIRING AN OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR AND CANDIDATES
(On if he still plans to hire an offensive coordinator and if there will be any other staff changes)- "At this point, I don't plan any staff changes. I am going to hire an offensive coordinator and he may come from the staff or he may come from outside the building. I want to hire the best coordinator that I can and that's the goal. I went into this season knowing that we were going to do it at this time so that's the goal. At this point, I don't really plan any staff changes. Although I will say this, this is the time of year when coaching staffs change. I had some good friends that were just let go in St. Louis and there are other staffs that are looking for coaches. Even though I don't plan any, there is nothing that says that somebody might make a change in their life and then I'll fill that position."
(On if he will still call plays or if that would be open to discussion with offensive coordinator candidates)- "I think it's important that I get the best coordinator I can for us. I think that's one of the details that will get worked out as we go through the process."
(On if he’ll interview Brad Childress for the offensive coordinator position)- "I know Brad very well. He and I worked together for a long time. I think he’s a terrific coach, but I’m going to keep my list of candidates private. That’s one of those questions I won’t answer, but information travels quickly, I’m sure."
(On what the timetable is for filling the coordinator job)- "We’re going to work quickly, but I’m not going to be hasty. I want to get the right guy and by not hiring a guy this year it’s because I wanted to make sure I got the right one. That’s a relationship that’s very, very important so I’ll make sure we do it right."
(On why Childress wasn’t interviewed last year)- "Who says he wasn’t? I know Brad. Brad and I are very good friends, we’ve worked together, like I said, and I think he’s a terrific coach."
(On what he is hoping the new coordinator brings to the staff)- "The coordinator role, obviously, it’s like having another decision maker amongst your staff that has the title of being able to say, ‘We’re going to do this or we’re going to do that.’ I think it’s important that I get the right guy and again, his final role, there are a lot of different models as to how that works. I think, and I might miss it by a team or two, there are eight or nine teams where the head coach calls the plays and they still have a coordinator. Then, there are other teams that have a different model so I’m trying to find the very best guy."
(On if it the coordinator search could be limited if he decides that he wants to call the plays still)- "I think what’s important is I get the very best guy and like I said earlier, we’ll talk about the details of the role. The offensive coordinator is responsible for the offensive coaches, he’s mainly responsible for putting the plan together, directing the offense and doing a lot of the things that I did as the head coach. The gameday thing, calling plays, is a fun thing for all of us to do and I want to get the best guy I can. I want to win games so I’m going to get the guys in here that are going to help us do that."
(On if the coordinator has to have West Coast experience)- "I’m trying to find the best guy so a guy that speaks our language, so to speak, I think might have a little bit of a leg up."
(On if hiring an offensive coordinator will help free him up some)- "I might get more sleep (joking). If I appeared tired up here at times I apologize. I think it will. More than anything I think what it will do is allow me to just step back and look down on some things in some areas that I may be able to contribute more. I think that’s a key piece. Keep in mind this, as the head coach of this team I want to direct a team that is winning games. I have a general philosophy of how that works. You tweek it to do what fits best based on those principles to win games. I think that’s just natural that you have an offensive coordinator."
(On if he has a working relationship with Mike Sherman)- "I know Mike very well. I haven’t worked with him before but I know him."
(On if Sherman is a candidate for the offensive coordinator spot)- "I am going to keep all of those candidates private. That’s important for the process of course."
(On if he said earlier that he had planned on hiring an offensive coordinator in his second year)- "When I didn’t find the guy I wanted a year ago, I made the decision that the first year that I was going to do both. Part of that is because I feel like I have a strong offensive staff that can overlap on some of those responsibilities and I think they did a very fine job of that. Once the decision was made to not have one last year, I knew definitively I was going to get one this year."
(On if he didn’t have the time to find the right guy last year)- "We interviewed some guys, but I think it’s important to find the right guy. That’s a very important person and a very important position much like your defensive coordinator and special teams."
PEYTON HILLIS AND THE RB SITUATION
(On if they’ve made a decision on Peyton Hillis)- "I’ll tell you what, Peyton and I had a great conversation yesterday. He’s an all-star player who was dealing with injury in the middle part of the year and then came back, and I really liked what he did at the end of the season. We had a great conversation yesterday. That’s one of those questions I really can’t answer at this point."
(On what he liked from Hillis at the end of the season)- "I thought he ran the ball hard, especially at ground level. When he hits it up in there, they’re pretty good collisions and I think he’s a very strong physical runner. That was very obvious when he was in there as compared to when he wasn’t."
(On how important it is in the running game that they challenge the edge)- "I think it’s important you have runs that attack the perimeter, go right up the middle and then really attack off tackle. I think that’s the typical NFL run game. Having tendencies is good because you’re good at something and I think that’s an important thing, too. You have to always factor in what your running backs can do and what they’re good at as you structure your run game."
(On if they tried to get Steven Jackson to edge a lot when he was in St. Louis)- "We tried to get to the perimeter. I do think this is a division where with the 3-4, there are a lot of guys standing out on the edges. Depending on who you’re playing, you have to decide on how you’re going to attack them. If you just run in one place all the time they can zero in on it pretty well."
(On if he feels comfortable with Montario Hardesty if Hillis doesn’t return or if they will have to get a running back in the draft)- "I think we’re going to try to look at all options at running back. Again, I’m not going to comment on the Peyton thing as I mentioned as we move forward here. We’re going to try to get as good as we can get at all positions. I want to see a Montario Hardesty that’s healthy. I think he’s hopefully finally getting back. This will be one of the first offseasons he hasn’t had been dealing with an injury. That will really help him develop."
(On his conversation with Hillis yesterday)- "We had a chance to sit down and really talk about what happened during the year. We had an all-star player, that we had high hopes for, that got injured. I watched him fight back from injury. I watched him compete well at the end of the season. We talked about those things and how a season can be a mini-journey. As we move forward, we’re just hopeful it works out for everybody."
(On if he could tell how Hillis feels about the Browns and if he wants to here)- "More of our conversation was talking about this past year. That would probably be a better question for him."
DRAFT-RELATED TOPICS
(On if they would consider taking a quarterback with their top draft pick)- "I should probably stay away from talking about future draft picks at this point."
(On analyzing quarterbacks and how involved he’ll be with Tom Heckert and the scouts leading up to the draft)- "We went through that same process last year. This week we’ll finish evaluating our players, kind of seeing where we’re at, we’ll embark on getting ready for free agency and then this year’s draft. We worked closely together last year, not only on the quarterback position, but all positions so we’re just going to repeat that process. Regardless of whether you think you’re going to draft a player a certain position, we evaluate all the good players because you never know how things are going to turn out so we’re ready to move regardless of what position we intend to draft."
(On if Tom Heckert has expressed to him what the draft class will be like this year)- "We’ve talked about it, but I think it’s like any year we have to go through, decide what our needs are and then hone in on the players that we like."
(On if he watched the Stanford-Oklahoma State game last night)- "I did, well parts of it. I was dozing in and out."
JOSHUA CRIBBS AND SPECIAL TEAMS ISSUES
(On how much accountability the special teams coordinator should take for some of the things that led to losses this season and why he would bring him back)- "We’ve had some bad performances on offense, defense and special teams that contributed to losses. We’ve had some good performances that helped us win a couple of games. Actually this year our return average is better than it was last year. Early in the year when you give up a touchdown on a kickoff, you’re never going to be good, average-wise, in terms of your coverage. We need to get better in coverage, I don’t disagree with that, we need to improve. We were having problems with snap, hold, kick and we made some changes. Those are some specific areas that we can talk about. I think as I mentioned in the outset as players and coaches, we all need to improve. I did see some improvements in areas that make me think we’re going to get better."
(On how valuable Joshua Cribbs is to the team)- "I really like Josh. He’s tough, he’s competitive and he finds a way to get things done. He tackles guys covering kicks and then he runs back kicks. A lot of times it doesn’t look real flashy, but he gets things done. He finds a way to make plays in big games. I have a strong appreciation for what he is. He’ll be back next year. I think that’s good."
(On if Cribbs as a wide receiver is still somewhat of an unknown)- "I think Josh improved as a receiver. His workload on special teams is large. He finds a way a way to get production on the snaps that he is in there and he showed up. There were games where he’d catch a couple of balls and like we saw the other night, he had a huge impact on the game. I think he made improvements just playing receiver, for sure."
SHURMUR'S SELF-EVALUATION AND TEAM EVALUATION
(On if there was a point in the season where he felt he had a handle on his football team in terms of personality, character, what they can/can't do, limitations, etc.)- "I think so. As the year went on, especially around midseason after I watched the guys compete in real games, I got a pretty good feel for what they were as players. You learn about the players all the way up until the meetings I had with them yesterday. I learned some things about guys yesterday as they were exiting for the offseason that I didn't know about them. I kind of feel that I continued to learn more. In terms of having a feel for this team, the 2011 Browns, I think I had a pretty good feel for what we were."
(On what he learned about himself this season and what he could do better next year as a head coach)- "I've always believed that your biggest improvement comes between the first time you do something and the second time. The one thing I learned about myself was that I think it's very important that no matter how you handle things you go right back to the principles you believe in. You have to do a lot of thinking on your feet in this job that I have. You have to be pretty set in your ideals. You have to have rules and then you try to stick by them and then you react to the situations based on the experience you have. I'm thankful for the people that had a hand in getting me to here."
(On if anything caught him by surprise this season)- "Early on I decided that nothing was going to surprise me. In the first practice when (Head Athletic Trainer) Joe Sheehan came up and said, ‘You just lost your punter,’ after that conversation, I really kind of decided that there was nothing that was going to surprise me."
(On if there are starters in place anywhere else other than left tackle and corner such as Jabaal Sheard and other players on the defensive line)- "I was making a little joke. It was a joke and my delivery was bad, I apologize. What I was basically saying was that there is going to be competition at a lot of positions. I think that we can sit here and say that some of the guys you just mentioned performed well enough where they are definitely going to be starters as we move forward."
(On what he wishes he could do over)- "I wish we could win more games, I really do. I think that’s what we’re in this to do. I wish as we had moved through the season, you know win."
(On if there’s any consolation that at least they were competitive in most of the games)- "I think that’s something you sit around and think about maybe a week or two from now. As we’re developing for next year, I really don’t. I really don’t take consolation in any form of a loss. We analyze everything. We analyze the wins, we analyze the losses and there are always things you could do better. I think the natural reaction is when you lose a game by a close margin, there are maybe one or two things that might have changed the outcome so that’s kind of how I evaluate that."
(On only having three players with more than 100 yards rushing or receiving this season and if that means they need an explosive playmaker on offense)- "I think we want explosive players at every position. Once we evaluate our needs then we’ll approach it in a way where we try to make this team better. Heck, I’d like to see a 100-yard rusher and a 100-yard receiver in every game. I think that would be an indication that you’re doing good things."
(On what was different about being a head coach that he maybe didn’t envision before stepping into the job)- "I think I had a decent idea of what it was going to be like and I kind of knew going into it that every move you make, every word you say is pretty well scrutinized, every facial gesture at the game. I think I was ready for that, but until you go through it, I think what I’ve learned is that you’re always out front."
(On if it’s more difficult handling certain game management situations than a first year head coach could imagine)- "I felt like we handled most of those situations in an aggressive way. I have guys on my staff that keep me aware of situations and then we talk them though. I think it’s important that you remain aggressive when the situations are right in any game management, clock management situation. There was a miscommunication, the Baltimore Ravens thing, but I think for the most part I like the way that operated. People sometimes might question what you do and that’s always open for discussion depending on how the outcome is."
(On if somebody upstairs saw something when they challenged the catch by Antonio Brown in the finale against Pittsburgh)- "Yeah, upstairs the timeliness of the replays and things happening, we had some information that we felt like it was worth challenging so we challenged it at that time."
(On specifically where he saw progress from this football team)- "I saw a lot of our young players get a lot better, that’s some of the progress I saw. I’m visualizing Phil Taylor yesterday, Jabaal Sheard, Jason Pinkston, Shawn Lauvao, Eric Hagg. I’m visualizing their faces as they left yesterday, eager to have an offseason and build on a year’s worth of work. I think that’s important. I was really pleased with some of the leadership of our other guys in the locker room, they took charge when things got a little bit rocky. I think that was good and I see some guys that can be really good players. I think those are areas that we need to build on. I saw an operation that we were just teaching the guys how to practice and then I saw as we went along, practice got smoother and smoother. We’ve often talked for quarterbacks how the game slows down, as things get smoother and smoother and guys start going faster and faster, then you get better and better. Those are the types of things I saw."
(On if the unspoken plan was to get the defense established)- "Obviously we were making a scheme change, going from a 3-4 to a 4-3. We had to focus on getting some guys that can play defensive line. With (Ahtyba) Rubin, Taylor and Sheard, we think we solidified those three spots pretty well. That’s the starting point. We try to get better at a lot of positions. We knew we were revamping things a little bit that we had to put special attention on those positions."
(On fans having a low tolerance for incremental building and how aware he is of how they feel)- "I’m made aware of the way fans feel and I’m sensitive to that, I get that. I want to win as badly as everyone does. I do think there is some building that needs to happen and you need to win and build at the same time, I get that, in a division that’s very competitive. We watched the last month some real hard fought games that we were very close in. What I’m going to build on in my mind is those two or three or four or five things in those games that can make a difference as we move forward. I told the players this, if we all get this much better, then the results will be that much better. I think that’s what we need to do. I’m not patient either, I get it. I understand what the fans are going through."
(On if there were guys that they had to play this year to find out what they had in certain players)- "We played the very best guys at all positions throughout the year. That’s what this organization and this city deserves. If we don’t do that than we are selling ourselves short. We didn’t just play guys to see what they can do, that didn’t really factor into it."
(On what impact Eric Steinbach would bring if he is back)- "The first thing is, he’s got to come back and get himself healthy. I liked what I saw from him in the preseason. I don’t know much about him since he’s been dealing with his back injury. We had a good conversation yesterday. I talked to a lot of guys, maybe that’s why I was dozing off last night (joking). There was some optimism yesterday amongst the players. I can’t put my finger on it. The ones I talked to were talking about how close we are, if we all get better. I heard a lot of guys, and I haven’t always heard this, I heard a lot of guys walking out of the building looking forward to the offseason and improving. I think that’s good and that’s the challenge. There’s going to be a lot going on and we are day two into this offseason. We have a Browns evaluation week this week then we will get ready for the Senior Bowl, free agency, the combine, the draft, the offseason program, OTAs. I have it scheduled down to the day until the middle of June. That’s reassuring to me because there’s a certain amount of work that needs to get done and we are prepared to do it with a staff that I have a feel for now, and a team that I know. I am looking forward to that process."
(On how much teaching goes on in the offseason program compared to training camp)- "There is quite a bit of teaching that goes on. Of course the rules have changed through the years and it’s much more structured, what you can teach. What you would like to be able to do is through the OTAs and the minicamps, be able to really install everything and teach everything in detail that you are then going to do again in training camp. So then training camp isn’t the first time that they see it, it’s the second time that they see it. For the guys that are either new or going through it for the second or third time, you can build. I think it’s a very important time of year. For me, it’s going to be my first offseason and I am looking forward to getting as much out of it as we can."
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Hopefully that conversation was good enough to keep Hillis here. And damn they were trying to pin him into a corner about McCoy.
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To be fair to Colt, He is right, you can’t expect the world from a quarterback in a system where it is new to everyone. They all have to improve. He did say Joe Thomas and Haden, and the D-Line were solid and set. By saying at every other position the best player will be on the field means THEY are especially not set on QB or RB (which is McCoy, Wallace and Hillis). It does seem to me though, it MIGHT mean that if the guy they want at QB or RB are not there in the draft, FA or trade, they may stay with whom they have instead of cutting bait and plugging a new face in there. SO that may bode well for McCoy. Hillis I am sorry to say I think is gone. I like him, but i think this year his concern more for his own injury and his talking to the press hurt his future with the team. I think he is a good football player, but would be surprised if they keep him. Would have thought a trade to Detroit or the Jets for a mid round pick for Hillis if they had signed him, but since they did not he just may go the FA route and the Browns will let him go. I think we need to pry Luck from Indy some how someway.
He said the 3 were set. Sheard, Taylor, and Rubin. Right DE didn’t cut it this year. Here come’s a DE in the draft proly.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 3, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
That just stuck out in my mind when he specifically said “3”. He didn’t name Mitchell for a reason.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 3, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he hasn’t given on Evel Knievel (Benard) – that guy was a heckuva pass rusher as an OLB and I am hoping he can get his shirt together.
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I forget the details of his accident. Was there ever any report of drugs or alcohol being a factor? If not, and road conditions or just a foolish decision led to the accident, he has a way better chance of being here next season.
I take this optimism shit seriously.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think drugs were involved, but the driving was indeed wreckless and he was very fortunate not to be killed. I imagine if he has the talent it will be forgive and forget (a la Ben R) – and if he is marginal – he will hit the highway.
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Wasn’t he also on a suspended license or am I imagining that part?
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by JustBob on Jan 4, 2012 1:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
that sounds familiar
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It was because he was upset about Mangini being fired.
by HenryDawg on Jan 3, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
From a presser you get this? Com’on?
DBN=Where we hate Chuck Noll for going 1-13 his first season, 5-9 his second and 6-8 his third. Oh yeah, he didn't get fired, that's why.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Got a new sig for that.
DBN=Where we hate Chuck Noll for going 1-13 his first season, 5-9 his second and 6-8 his third. Oh yeah, he didn't get fired, that's why.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
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DBN, where I will never understand why they fired Mangini. We went 4-12.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
It was a joke about this much discussed blog post by a very good, but very obsessed writer:
http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/2011/10/the-really-sad-story-of-marcus-benard/
nooo…I tried to rec this twice and unrecced it. sorry!
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He didn’t name Mitchell for a reason.
The reason being that he sucked.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
So that was your understanding?
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by JustBob on Jan 4, 2012 1:00 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
as does his default apologist
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
It does make me laugh.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 7, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
From what I got from watching the presser…
McCoy will be starter.
Hillis will be gone.
We did good thibs.
I watched the presser and got that he was unsure of whether McCoy would be the starter and that he wanted Peyton back but wasn’t sure whether the front office wanted Peyton or if Peyton himself wanted to be back.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
I got
1. We’ll see who will be the QB, McCoy has a slim chance.
2. Hillis can stay if he’ll take a FB salary
3. We did good thib.
I was just going by the tone of his voice. Of course any thing can and will probably happen.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 4, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Really? Can you translate for us? I keep trying to copy / paste it into google translator and it just keeps spitting the same gibberish out that I punch in.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
OPENING STATEMENT
“I understand we’re down with these for awhile. This is the last thing strait forward you’ll ever hear from me.”
COLT MCCOY AND THE QB SITUATION
“I understand that if we don’t draft or sign a new QB, we’re stuck with Colt McCoy.”
HIRING AN OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR AND CANDIDATES
“I understand that’s Holmgren’s decision.”
PEYTON HILLIS AND THE RB SITUATION
“I understand I shouldn’t speak negatively about him, but we won’t sign unless he likes lowballing.”
DRAFT-RELATED TOPICS
“I understand I’m not telling you shit.”
JOSHUA CRIBBS AND SPECIAL TEAMS ISSUES
“I understand everyone loves him so much, so here’s all the good things, though fairly minuscule, about him.”
SHURMUR’S SELF-EVALUATION AND TEAM EVALUATION
“I understand that self-deprecation, even if entirely honest, is non-productive. Here’s a bunch of words that amount to nothing.”
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by Simmsinns on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Nice job Simms – I think you got it right. I know I am in the minority – but I still think it would be a mistake to write off McCoy. I really think he will benefit from the experiences gained this year and a full, organized offseason with an OC
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i think we should keep mccoy also, but if rg3 or luck falls into our lap, then take ‘um. let mccoy have next year to prove his worth, if he’s good, then we have a good problem!
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by Brownie's Year on Jan 4, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
If Luck or RGIII fall to us it will be in a draft under the new rookie pay scale, and we have Colt playing on a salary befitting a 3rd round QB pick. In relatives terms, that’s not a shyte ton of money.
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by JustBob on Jan 5, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well done.
I’m not sure if you’re spot on with the interpretation, but it sure as hell is a lot easier to read!
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
This is what I got out of this press conference also. A bunch of nothing really. My expectations are low as to what real information would be conveyed but this guy is the master of saying nothing. In fact he can say nothing with more words than just about anyone. It is apparent that Shurmur is definitely not in charge when it comes to anything personnel and that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. In fact he is on a very short leash when it comes to saying anything about anything. There was basically no meaningful information at all in this presser.
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I get the impression that a) no one knows how to ask questions (didn’t need this presser to show me that, but it’s clear) and b) I just think that Shurmur likes to keep things private. He’s not the best in terms of PR but an 11-4 record with these answers and no one is complaining.
There’s not much the guy can say right now, in general. He’s not going to talk personnel b/c that’s equally foolish and undetermined. I have no problem with that – clearly a lot of other people do…
I don’t know why you say no one knows how to ask questions… I guess they needed to ask questions that were just as meaningless as the answers? Like “what did you have for breakfast coach?” Then he could say “well, I was thinking about eggs but then oatmeal seemed pretty good… but I really haven’t decided yet because, well, that’s still up in the air.” I liked Mangini’s press conferences a lot better than Shurmur’s or Crennel’s. But that is no reason to keep a coach—just an observation.
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They ask questions that they know he isn’t going to answer, for good reason. They’re doing their job, he’s doing his. I don’t think its that big of a deal really. I thought there was lots of good info too. Like we know they are evaluating QBs. If they were certain about McCoy he would have said that probably, but he didn’t so we can read between the lines fairly easily. He said he’s looking for an OC and they may have a play calling role – I’m glad to hear that and I bet a lot of people are. Hopefully that translates into less “ooops”
They ask questions that they know he isn’t going to answer, for good reason.
exactly
They’re doing their job, he’s doing his.
some journalists disagree that only asking loaded questions is “doing their job”.
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I think they ask questions related to things they think their readers want to know about. Even though fans don’t like to admit it, they talked about Shurmur’s miscues as much as the media reported it. I also don’t think all the questions they ask are loaded, but those are the ones that get the most attention.
Not all the questions are loaded, but the ones that he doesn’t answer and won’t answer are much more likely to be loaded.
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They ask questions that they know he isn’t going to answer, for good reason.
exactly
They’re doing their job, he’s doing his.
some journalists disagree that only asking loaded questions is “doing their job”.
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They ask questions that they know he isn’t going to answer, for good reason.
exactly
They’re doing their job, he’s doing his.some journalists disagree that only asking loaded questions is "doing their job".
by Brownie's Year on Jan 4, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know why you say no one knows how to ask questions
Are you serious with this?
“Hey what do you think about Colt?”
“I am going to keep that private”
“So, do you think Colt will be replaced?”
“I am going to keep that private”
“So you think Colt sucks then?”
“I am going to keep that private”
“What position are you going to draft in the first round in four months?”
“I am going to keep that private”
“Will you draft a QB because you think Colt sucks?”
“I am going to keep that private”
“We know that you haven’t been able to watch many college games or do much scouting because you are a pro football coach who probably gets 4hrs of sleep a night during the season, we know the all star games, combine, and private workouts haven’t happened yet, but can you just tell us exactly how the draft will go and who you will end up drafting?”
“I am going to keep that private”
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by rufio on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this guy is the master of saying nothing
I was thinking the same thing.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 4, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
So did Tressel. Once Shurmur starts winning, we will all love the fact that Shurmur says nothing while saying everything.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 4, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
you really want him to give a legitimate answer to some of the (imo) inane questions that don’t have a good answer (like the one about whether its a sign that they have given up on colt)?
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B19K, I think you’re absolutely correct. Most fans love Tressel despite his coach-speak because he wins. If Shurmur starts cranking out 10+ win seasons we’ll all love it.
by Legoman0721 on Jan 4, 2012 11:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Never said it was a bad thing. That being said, subterfuge and smokescreens are just as good as saying nothing.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 7, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for pulling this together Chris – appreciated. FWIW – I am really pulling for this guy – even though I would give him a D- for his coaching this year. This grade is based primarily on the lack of offensive production through the year, pussified decisions in the red zone, and the continual checkdowns for passes short of the first down. I really think he made 1 mistake (or was it H/H?) – by not hiring an OC – bit off more than he could chew – and we were uncoordinated on O all year. I think if he hires Childress, we will see significant improvement next year. Childress is a real tool as a person – but the dude can coach offense.
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head coaches hire their co-ordinators, usually (he mentioned it several times) and the story from jauron about hiring coaches being a pain in his ass, makes me believe hind sight really is 20/20!
and shurmur doesn’t decide to “check down”, that’s the qb’s job.
Talking about offensive design. I am so sick of watching the defense leaving someone open 2 yards short of the first down and sucking us into the throw and tackling us short. I noticed the frequency of that even went up when Wallace QBd. Against Pitt it was automatic. Plus did you see how many times we threw to a damn back – no lead blockers – and he just was tackled for no gain? Did you see how consistent Shurmur has been with an abysmal YPA number? He isn’t call dink and dunk Pat in St. Louis for nothing.
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That’s the outlet, hot guy, its annoying but I don’t think its all the fault of the play scheme, part of it is WRs not getting open or QBs not reading it right or trusting that the receiver will be open and also imagining more pressure than there really is. If you watch the good QBs they usually wait until the last second to make their throw. Our QBs throw when the rush is still several steps away.
I dunno if he was called “dink and dunk Pat” in St. Louis.
And did you miss the point where he was talking about how a lot of it has to do with having rookie QBs who have a higher tendency to do the dump-off?
It’s something you see with a lot of young QBs and he coached 2 QBs with less than a season’s worth of starts.
Peyton manning’s ypa was 6.5 his first year and jumped to 7.8 the next year. Brees did crappy his first years, but also saw a jump after more time. Joe Flacco also improved this state and most rookies improve on their rookie ypa. It’s the nature of the position.
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Case in point to what I was saying. Sam Bradford threw about 23% of his passes to RBs in his first year. That number dropped to slightly under 20% in his 2nd year despite getting less protection for his WRs to get downfield and losing his favorite WR in Amendola
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You’re ignoring another variable!
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
what?!
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The fact that Bradford was playing under McDaniels, not Shurmur this year.
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oh yeah. good point. I did post somewhere else that this is the case with other QBs too.
I also don’t want to look up the stats now (its late and almost falling alseep anyweys), but it seems like Colt actually may have thrown more dump-offs during his first year in Cleveland
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People are too caught up on “throwing dump offs” as a “bad” thing to do. It’s a great thing to do, and it’s in every normal pass play.
If you are throwing dumpoffs, you are getting the ball in a playmaker’s hands on an easy throw, and the defense has sagged off to respect your deeper threats, which means you are actually threatening them.
It’s not “throwing dumpoffs” that is the weak point. It’s slow reads and bad playmakers.
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It’s slow reads and bad playmakers.
I agree. By talking about dumpoffs, I was thinking them as synonymous to the classic check-down to the RB. Basically, younger QBs are more likely to take that option rather than trying it deep.
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I am so sick of watching the defense leaving someone open 2 yards short of the first down and sucking us into the throw and tackling us short.
Any good defense can do this to an offense that doesn’t execute quickly enough (QB) and gives it to not great skill players. Wallace is the slowest reader I’ve seen in a long time.
Drew Brees does this all the time and his throws go for TDs. It isn’t scheme. This is in every scheme ever. It’s about being able to connect on those downfield passes and about getting good looks (good play called against the defense being played) due to your scouting.
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Some of the questions sounded like the Chris Farley interviews from Saturday night live.
“Pat, did you watch the game last night?”
“Do you know Brad Childress?”.
“Do you know Mike Sherman? Whats he like?”
I wanted to hear about Seneca Wallace asking him to be the starter next year and how fast he laughed. Also good to hear that Pat likes Joe Thomas!
Maybe we should just draft guys named Joe
Interesting idea.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 4, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll drink to that.
I take this optimism shit seriously.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
(On if they would consider taking a quarterback with their top draft pick)- “I should probably stay away from talking about future draft picks at this point.”
Smart man.
I actually liked this presser, there was relevant and good information throughout. He actually said all the right things
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He actually said all the right things
I thought he’d have to say things in order for said things to be right. I read a whole lot of nothing.
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That said, on the specific draft thing, I get that you don’t want to show your hand.
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I still don’t understand what you would want him to say. Saying “nothing” is exactly the right thing for a HC to get up there and do in my book.
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by rufio on Jan 4, 2012 4:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it’s just the way he goes about saying nothing. I’m definitely not inherently against coaches that want to be careful with the media so as not to reveal anything that might give the competition an upper hand. The draft for example, I like our keeping plans quite.
I think it’s his diarrhea of the mouth, the endless flow of words without really saying a damn thing.
Overall, his speaking is way, way down on the list Pat Shurmur’s shortcomings.
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I agree with the last part of your assessment. Shurmur just needs to learn how to be concise and to the point. Maybe hire a GC (Grammer Coordinator)?
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
I think the point is to keep that away from Pat as he’s already in over his head.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 4, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Just because he’s not saying the things you want to hear mean he’s not saying anything. He’s good behind the mic.
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I think it is the questioning. His statement of Thomas and Haden being the only ones set was a joke, he says it was a joke and the media has taken this way to far already. There was even a follow up question of are you serious about thta and he said no I was joking.
I mean you are definitely entitled to your opinion about Shurmur and his pressers, I just don’t think they are important, and I just don’t think he’s bad at them because he “says nothing.” Saying nothing is exactly what he needs to do.
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I just don’t think they are important
Yeah, I mentioned they are way, way down on the list of Shurmur’s shortcomings.
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I would like to put “not benching your dumbass backup QB after he audibled to a run play in the stupidest of situations against your wishes while you were actively telling him to clock it” above “pressers.”
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Because the NFL requires him to
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
He doesn’t have to say anything, but he just babbles and decides to say nothing. Not that I care, but for someone who has an interest in press conferences for whatever reasons, they would probably see the Head Coach’s being a waste of time.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
It’s more or less always a waste of time. And I often get a decent amount from Shurmur’s conferences, maybe I am just better at deciphering the coachspeak. For instance, “we just want someone who speaks the same language” tells me he wants someone who knows the “language” native to Walsh’s tree of the West Coast. The way that plays, formations, motions, etc. are translated into a playcall is different from the Walsh tree to the Parcells tree, though both run “west coast” styles and the same concepts. Having someone familiar with the Walsh style is important to them, which significantly narrows the candidates. If reporters did their jobs, they’d know this.
I think Holmgren is much more succinct, but people still wanted to rake him over the coals.
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by JustBob on Jan 4, 2012 1:08 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
We’ll stay with McCoy I think. The Skins will sell the farm for RGIII. We might draft some nobody QB to make McCoy work harder. We will probably have Hillis next year. We might get Blackmon. If not, we trade down….AGAIN. Either way I sort of agree about how having an actual offseason may help immensely.
by macdowellm03 on Jan 4, 2012 1:36 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Thats what I’d like. We have to ride it out for another year at QB (or something via FA for the time being)….draft blackmon, re sign Hillis, and get an OT with the second first rounder. Then rest of draft look for a DE, outside LB, and cornerback depth.
by jonnyphoenix on Jan 4, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
…Obviously the order might change some, if there is some of this we can add via free agency, however only if they player is still in his prime…not some journeyman vet on the downside of his career who will demand more money than he’s worth.
by jonnyphoenix on Jan 4, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Shurmur wants a healthy Peyton Hillis but doesn’t know if we can make it work financially for both parties. He would be ok with Colt, who he expects to improve but isn’t sure has “it” in him to become the franchise. Shurmur wants a new RDE.
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by rufio on Jan 4, 2012 4:43 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Hillis, this year, was worth less than he made. and YES, clearly a new RDE.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know Hillis’s salary specifically, but he was a 7th round FB. I’m sure we didn’t pay him a whole lot this season.
by Legoman0721 on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think it was $600,000. I would be willing to consider him for under $4 million but at the beginning of the season he was asking for $8 million a year. Or at least that is what I read.
by BrownsFanRegina on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
That’s crazy. Also I like him, but he’s not very patient or elusive. He’s a hammer and that’s fine but sometimes you need more than that. Anything under 3-4 a year sounds reasonable.
He would be ok with Colt, who he expects to improve but isn’t sure has "it" in him to become the franchise.
That’s where I am with Colt now too. I agree with burntorange’s opinion as well.
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I dont think he is ok with Colt. If he did not name Colt McCoy as the starter over Seneca Wallace (who has been in the league 9 years and is 31, and could not move the team) does not mean he is ok with Colt McCoy. If anything it may mean we are stuck with Colt McCoy for another year.
He would be ok with Colt
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 4, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
He wouldn’t name Colt the starter? He more or less said he would start unless we draft a guy. He said the best guys will play, that’s Colt. He said there’s competition at every position because there is—it’s the NFL, where Peyton Manning is currently competing for his job. Everyone is competing for their job, 100% of the time. Mangini said this, Shurmur will continue to say this because its the truth.
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I can’t imagine that the team had finished their post season review at this point, so it would have been foolish of him to say that the Browns are/aren’t sticking with Colt just yet. And he’s not going to tip his hand on what the team intends to do in the draft. On top of tht, I’m not sure how much say he has in personnel matters.
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Pretty much agree but he seemed a bit reluctant to give Colt too much credit. It seemed more like he was hedging himself in case we aren’t able to upgrade in the offseason. I think he’d clearly like another QB.
by Roger Dorn on Jan 4, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he’d clearly like another QB
Yes. But I don’t think it is at all clear yet whether or not they intend to go after a top prospect (or FA), or if they’ll pick up a lesser prospect (late 1st round or later rounds…).
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 4, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’d clearly like better QB play, and he’d like it if we drafted RG3 or Luck, but he would be content with McCoy if he’d worked his tail off in the offseason and came back improved—I mean, he’d have to be.
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I doubt Heckert gives him all that much say in the final decision anyway. He doesn’t really have time to make draft decisions, considering the team’s significant needs in coaching.
Vague answers aren’t necessarily a bad thing; the truly great pressers are ones held by say-nothing jerks like Belichick and Gregg Popovich. I’d be thrilled if Pat ended up being the NFL’s Pop. We’d just need Craig Sager around to humiliate.
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Hired!
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions
I was more tipped off by:
(On why Childress wasn’t interviewed last year)- “Who says he wasn’t? I know Brad. Brad and I are very good friends, we’ve worked together, like I said, and I think he’s a terrific coach.”
Translation: get your Minny money in ’11, see ya in ’12.
I hope you are right – I think it will be a very solid hire. In addition, he proved his inability to be a HC and he may be a long term asset for the organization.
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I actually really like the idea of bringing in guys like Jauron and Childress. They’re good coordinators but they aren’t good head coaches, that’s just how some people are. Also having their experience on the staff should help Shurmur.
by Legoman0721 on Jan 5, 2012 1:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think that’s just natural that you have an offensive coordinator.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
He also said he wanted one this entire time. Which makes me think Holmgrem wanted to test his abilities.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 4, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure if I believe that, seems to be a pride thing, which is fine if he thinks it helps but I would rather have him admit that he was overwhelmed and is looking forward to getting some help. I can also see exactly why he wouldn’t say that as the headline the next day would be 40 point “SHURMUR OVERWHELMED!!!!”
He’s speaking to the organizational void left by not having a guy there. When he talks about his experienced staff being able to cover, that’s another reference.
The reason NFL teams are all set up so similarly is because they all do very similar things. Self-scout, scout the next week’s opponents, scout the division, give feedback to your own players, make the gameplan, make the practice plan, etc. etc.
When all those things are getting done, it’s on the HC to do some, the DC to do some, the OC to do some, and on down the line. Everyone splits up the responsibilities more or less the same way. Lacking a staffed position means that things aren’t done the way they are normally done in the NFL, and that sort of normal, “natural” order is disrupted.
This is what Shurmur is trying to say,
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“I did, well parts of it. I was dozing in and out.”
Best quote all year.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
That’s kind of hilarious.
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by jonnyphoenix on Jan 4, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
(On what he wishes he could do over)- “I wish we could win more games… I think that’s what we’re in this to do. I wish as we had moved through the season, you know….win.”
This is my personal favorite…although there are so, so many. .
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DBN – We doze in and out.
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