Latest SB Nation NFL Mock Draft: Browns Take Blackmon and Tannehill
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 30, 2012 12:01 PM EST
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PrintSB Nation just released the latest edition of their 2012 NFL Mock Draft, and unlike last time, they do not have the Cleveland Browns trading up to acquire Robert Griffin III. Instead, they have the Washington Redskins trading up to acquire RG3, meaning the Browns are forced into a new pick at No. 4 overall (which also changed the pick at No. 22 overall). With those two picks, SB Nation has the Browns taking WR Justin Blackmon and QB Ryan Tannehill. The explanations are after the jump.
4. Cleveland Browns, Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
It seems like the Browns always have a lot of needs. Last time I had the Browns moving up for Griffin, but that's not guaranteed to happen. With so many needs to fill, giving away first round picks hurts their efforts to field a winner, so they don't trade this pick. Adding an offensive talent, like Blackmon, will make them more competitive, regardless of the quarterback.
22. Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta), Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
Someone is going to draft Tannehill in the first round. Brandon Weeden might get pick in the top 32 as well. Tannehill lacks experience, but he possesses a natural grasp of the fundamentals and works well outside the pocket. Unlike Colt McCoy, he possesses a legit NFL arm and accuracy all over the field.
Hmmm, the top-rated wide receiver in the draft, followed by a quarterback who isn't the top prospect of the draft, but is in the mix for the first/second round. That sounds like the same exact formula used by the Cincinnati Bengals last year, when they ended up with Andy Dalton and A.J. Green, a duo that both participated in the Pro Bowl in their rookie seasons.
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If Tannehill is good (someone I don’t know a lot about), then I think it would be good for the Browns.
Sort of with BK on this one. The upside is that Tannehill was athletic enough to be a darn good WR for Aggie his first 2 years. The downside is in the details of the Aggie season. The number of blatant 2nd half chokes was ridiculous (insert John Holmes porn star joke here). The majority of INTs and turnovers were when the game was on the line. If we really feel we need the QB go get RGIII and be done with it.
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Why? Is it because you have blinders on concerning RGlll? Or do you have a logical explanation for you piss-offedness??? I’m not sure I agree with Tannehill pick. But, the strategy has some merit.
by OldTimeDawg on Jan 30, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
For one Green >>> Blackmon and Dalton >>> Tannehill
But its also just pretty meh. Top 5 receivers are risky and there is much more receiver depth than QB depth both in the draft and FA
You haven’t gotten the best QB prospect you could and you didn’t get more picks with a trade down, you basically got the scraps from the top of the draft.
Some are so emphatic that we need depth, or players or whatever that the #22 or #37 pick is such a game changer so we use it to take a project QB?
Tannehill could be really good, just seems pretty risky
I don’t think the difference between Green and Blackmon is as huge as you make it, but definitely right on the second one.
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Please stop doing this.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously!!!
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 30, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
EXCLAMATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 30, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
by pwndabear on Jan 30, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
It has nothing to do with sensitivity. It has everything to do with intelligence. Are you eight? No? Then stop.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t believe you did laugh your ass off just now, sir.
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by nickjs21 on Jan 30, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s pretty simple. Tannehill isn’t a top flight guy.
You say that the strategy has some merit, but I don’t think so. Instead of paying a premium price for an elite QB, which is by far the most important position in this sport, so we can take a gamble on a WR and a lesser QB.
Every year we watch teams reach for QB’s, the reason is because they all want to find “that guy”.
It’s time for this franchise to quit screwing around looking for lottery ticket and pay the premium price tag.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 30, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Tannehill anywhere in the first screams huge reach to me.
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I wouldn’t be that pissed off but I wouldn’t be pleased.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 30, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
For me it’s that there are so many better things to do with 4 and 22 if RG3 is off the board. Say, Coples and Wright off the top of my head. Maybe see how long the Browns can wait on a guy like Brock Osweiler.
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Coples at 4 is far too high and I don’t Wright at all.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 30, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Personal preference, but I still believe there’s a better use of two first rounders than Blackmon and Tannehill.
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Do you think Tannehill can start right away or will we see Colt for another year or two?
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 30, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think Tannehill needs to sit for at least another year, maybe two. I think RG3 can compete for the starting job in 2012 even if he doesn’t win it on day 1.
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If we take Griffin he better start on day 1. Get his butt in there and playing right away.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 30, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
If we draft Griffin and it takes him a few weeks to learn the offense while Colt has had 2 years, I am fine with him sitting until he understands the playbook. No point in playing him imo just to play him.
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Why would we trade McCoy?
He would be a cheap, young, experienced back-up. It would come down to Wallace or Lewis on the chopping block.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
I would think that McCoy has some value right now. Wallace knows the system and he is only 31, he could be a back up for 4 or 5 years. Wallace seemed to have a better grasp of the offense than McCoy. There are teams that would take a chance on McCoy and trade draft picks for him. Look what they did with Frye (I know a different front office) but they got a 5th or 6th round pick for him. Remember McCoy was just a project pick anyway in the 3rd round. He played two years and maybe some team may offer something for him. I dont think you get as much as far as a draft pick for Wallace. Just a thought not written in stone.
No, I don’t think would get anything for McCoy. Except maybe laughs down the phone line from other FO’s.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 31, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. Dare. While I personally would rather have McCoy as a backup than Wallace at this point, if either of them have any trade value it is McCoy.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I agree it would be like a 4th or a 5th and actually he’s played better than most 3rd round QBs so I could see someone taking him. Being an ex-Brown almost guarantees a Super Bowl ring so I would take a flyer just based on that. Personally I keep him as a backup. I think he looks better coming off the bench than being a full time starter.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
exactly. I think because of the familiarity he will have with the new system, he is worth much more to us than anyone else.
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But a 5th round pick is much more worth it to us than to carry RGIII, McCoy and Wallace. I dont see those three being here together. McCoy’s trade value wont get any better on the bench
really? 5th round picks are complete crapshoots and even the above average 5th rounder doesn’t have the value of a solid backup QB
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Wallace is the back up. But you are right in the 5th round it is a gamble. I dont know how they will Keep a RGIII, McCoy and Wallace. Wallace is really not going to be happy being third string. They will get absolutely nothing for Wallace. If the plan is to start RGIII within the first year or two, they dont need McCoy and Wallace. There is still value with trading McCoy. I am thinking Wallace starts the year if RGIII is picked. RGIII is the back up and make a trade for McCoy. Just a guess
I would rather have Colt as a backup at this point than Wallace. Why should they give a care keeping Wallace happy, he is not anything more than a stop-gap backup.
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I like Colt more than Wallace too, I am just saying one has value in a trade and the other doesn’t because neither are the long term answer here.
I think the difference between the trade value of them is maybe a round or two. I think we can probably get a 7th for Wallace and maybe a 5th from Colt.
Is the difference that huge to give up Colt when the difference in value to the franchise between them is much more than that? I don’t think so.
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If we start the season with Wallace I think I’ll wait until I read that he’s been replaced before I waste any Sundays watching the games.
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Blackmon at #4 would be my third-best scenario for the Browns at that pick. And the second-best one that has any sort of chance of actually happening.
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Guessing you mean:
1. RG3 at 4
2. RG3 at 2
That about right? Or do you mean another player at 4?
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He said at that pick. By his wording I think it’s safe to assume that it goes as follows:
Luck @ 4
RGIII @ 4 (has any sort of chance at happening A)
Blackmon @ 4 (has any sort of chance at happening B)
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
And boom goes the dynamite.
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Glad I have a basic grasp of what the smarter guys are saying.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 5:03 AM EST up reply actions
What if it were Richardson and Tannehill? Remember, it could always be worse.
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Puke.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 30, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
My “drive my car through Heckerts office” first round would be Richardson and Burfict in the first round.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 30, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I would drive my car through your neighbor.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I laughed.
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As did I, especially since I’m drunk as hell.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 5:04 AM EST up reply actions
ARGH! that woul make me fly from Australia to Cleveland just to smash H&H’s faces in.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
^ would
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 31, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Bernie’s neighbor will also be available.
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poor guy.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck that guy. He deserves it for the Richardson jersey.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 5:04 AM EST up reply actions
Tannehill= Strong arm, Good size 6’4 224lbs, Athletic (played receiver), Smart (Academic All American, tough kid (also played some defense), Lacks experience and considered a project, but in my opinion has much higher ceiling than McCoy.
Low 60s in COMP%. I like his running ability, if anything.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 30, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
College accuracy =/= NFL accuracy though. Coly is a perfect example of this.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 30, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. Tannehill does not throw a very good deep ball.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 30, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
but in my opinion has much higher ceiling than McCoy.
that’s not that hard to do though. I REALLY don’t want to take a guy in the first round who is so inexperienced at QB.
If Barkley and/or Jones were still in this draft, Tannehill would still be projected as a mid-2nd rounder. He is only a 1st rounder by positional value and the fact that no one else is left. I don’t think he is a 1st round talent overall at QB.
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I trust in Holmgren’s ability to evaluate QBs. Counting Colt against him isn’t fair, as most QBs taken after the second round are projects/small gambles. If he thinks Tannehill is worth taking at #22, then I’m all in. At this point though, I still think H&H will do what it takes to get RG3.
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I think Tannehill would be available at 37.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I would hope so but if last year taught us anything it’s that teams are going to reach for a QB if they think they need one. No one thought Christian Ponder would be a first round pick last year and he went what 12th to Minnesota? I think Tannehill and Weeden are borderline round 1 picks as it stands right now.
Barkley and L. Jones returning really helped Tannehill. If he goes in the first round he should send them a G or so from his signing bonus.
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I agree, if either one of those guys was in this draft, we would likely not hear any of this speculation.
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Weeden will be lucky to get drafted at all. He’s 29.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, this “sneaks into the 32” is bullshit.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 30, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Something about 29, 32, and “sneaking” makes me think of Fausto
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Ha! Funny and sad!
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Roberto WHY?!
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 30, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously. He was far from even being the first case.
But… ROBERTO, WHY?!
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 30, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
No, he will get drafted, just a bit farther down.
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I disagree, or at least I think the team that does so is making a mistake.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and not all that good.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
well the age thing isn’t really a factor for me I guess. Everything I have read about him at the Senior Bowl seemed pretty positive and it seems that his arrow is pointing up right now and he was viewed as a mid round pick before the Senior Bowl. It will be interesting to see where he ends up being drafted.
Weeden had a fantastic Senior Bowl.
I think he will be a good Pro. But he is 29.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 30, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t, just because there is a void at QB after RG3 and he fills it just by being there.
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You got evidence where he drafted a QB early and was right on about the evaluation? Sometimes we forget that Holmgren was a terrible GM and was fired from the job.
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The Seahawks went to the super bowl with players Holmgren drafted or signed.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree. Better than Luke mccown or drew Stanton.
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I agree with you. If they think he is worth it, I trust them over my eyes, but i do think they would definitely prefer RG3 at 4 and then get a WR with the other than Tannehill and Blackmon.
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Kind of strange i posted this about a week ago as a possibilty, and got hammered for even thinking such a thing.
No you got hammered for calling RG3 a risk, but were completely fine using a first round pick on Tannehill.
wait, you don’t concede that Tannehill is as big a risk as RG3? He may be a lter pick but he’s also a lower floor.
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Sure he is a risk, the only sure bet at QB is said to be Luck and some Question that, but Blackmon is the best receiver in the draft and none of the experts question that
No, we all realize a lot of people think this is a good idea. A lot of just don’t like it.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’d be fine with this. Justin Blackmon is right behind RG3 for me. Still landing a QB would be icing on the cake.
Im fine if this were the case too. No Blackmon isnt Green, but he definitely is inserted as option #1 for our passing attack. And I trust the FO’s judgement at the top of the draft. If they feel RG3 is worth 2+ picks to trade up and get then great. If they dont and think that Tannehill could be their guy, then I trust them on that, and we still get a top WR.
It also depends on combine. If Tannehill is able to compete and impresses he may not be there at 22. Look what happened last year with Ponder
Sorry to bust your bubble Pokorny but if they didnt draft Jones at 6 last year they are not drafting Blackmon who is grading lower than Jones at this time last year with the 4 pick. Not gonna happen brotha.
by Joel Sykes Hobson on Jan 30, 2012 12:58 PM EST reply actions
You’re forgetting that Atlanta gave us an offer most team wouldn’t refuse.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 30, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
If Jones was worth it they would not have made that trade. Blackmon is not in the same league with Jones or Green from last year. No way they draft him at 4. Also, forget RG3 people, not gonna happen.
by Joel Sykes Hobson on Jan 30, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Where have you seen Blackmon graded lower than Jones? This time last year he was a mid first rounder (until the combine).
Apparently you havent done your research on a player you pine for so bad. Start doing research youngster.
by Joel Sykes Hobson on Jan 30, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Your condescension is unnecessary.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Funny since Henry has said on a few occasions that he’s older than a few of us. Maybe you should doyour research.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 5:06 AM EST up reply actions
If Jones was worth it they would not have made that trade
Really? It has nothing to do with one of the biggest packages (if not the biggest) for a draft pick since Ricky Williams? They could have really liked Julio but we have already seen that they do like to acquire draft picks when possible and this was an offer they just couldn’t refuse.
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Ummmm..yah, its kinda like Indy wanting Luck so bad they have pretty much told teams to forget about a trade. If a team really wants a player their not gonna make a trade. Common sense really.
by Joel Sykes Hobson on Jan 30, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
you are changing the point. Jones may have been worth it, but the Browns may have not really wanted him. And who says the team (Washington) in position to take Ricky Williams didn’t want him or even really want him? Even if you really like a guy, how do you turn down a team giving up their whole draft?
Julio may have been worth it and they may have wanted him, but they clearly thought a late-1st, a 1st in 2012, and a 2nd in that draft was more desirable than Julio.
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Also, forget RG3 people, not gonna happen.
Are you Tom Heckert? I don’t think so — I think you are Joel Syeks Hobson. Thus, you have no freaking clue whether we will get RG3 or not. And same for Blackmon.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 30, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
LOL, that was great!!
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 30, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Were all throwing out our opinions here, right? Does that mean none of us are Heckert? Wow, your a genius. Lol.
by Joel Sykes Hobson on Jan 30, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I loved this way more than I should have.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
As a fellow Grammar Gestapo, I did too.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 5:07 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing I have stated as my opinion, I have said as absolute as “not gonna happen”. That’s past opinion and more into trying to state fact. We all do it a little bit, but you haven’t said anything that sounds like you are trying to state an opinion.
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You’re stating it as fact. There’s a difference.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 30, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
If you are going to throw out an opinion, you better be able to back it up without calling names.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 30, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
your a genius
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by emily522 on Jan 30, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hey, cut it out with the personal attacks. You want to go after someone’s opinion? Fine. Don’t go after them.
Also:
Wow, your a genius.
Really?
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by rufio on Jan 31, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
A lot of mocks had Blackmon ahead of Jones before he committed to another year of school.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 30, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
For reals
It had a ton of teams salivating over which to chose. AJ Green was the clear no.1 in that draft but both Jones and Blackmon were right there with him and it was debatable who was the better player.
That’s just some new slang us youngsters use while we’re standing on your lawn.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 5:08 AM EST up reply actions
That has wrong written all over it.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 1, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know my opinion aint much compared to NFL scouts or even the talking heads who probably have seen more than me. But I like Blackmon way more than I liked Jones. I saw Julio make some bad plays in Bama, and I never really saw the “Randy Moss” inside of him a lot of people talked about. With Blackmon though, he took over some games for OSU. I think he made Weeden look better then he is a lot of times. Im not saying hes the next big thing at WR, but I do think he is better then Jones. (Jones also got a huge bumb from his 40. w/o that I doubt he wouldve been in top 10 discussion).
This is probably true, he had a 180 yrds and 3 TDs on a bad leg in his bowl game. That alone is impressive when everyone knows you’re the guy getting the ball.
What was that injury?
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 30, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on Jones. Never was a huge fan. Reminded me of a faster BE with his drops at ’Bama.
Blackmon is one of the few cases where a WR makes his QB look better, though I don’t think Weeden is a slouch himself.
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Totally agree. Doesn’t have as elite of height or deep speed, but I bet that Blackmon out-leaps Jones and that Blackmon can probably catch the ball at a higher point due to his insane wingspan/jumping.
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Do you think that the only reason they traded down is that they won’t draft a WR high? That was an incredible offer for the 6th overall pick. They still could take a guy they liked, and got Greg Little and the 22nd pick this year out of it too.
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Chris isn’t the one who made this mock.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I would grade Blackmon higher than Jones. Pretty easily.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Blackmon was considered a greater talent than Jones last year. Also, Jones’s draft stock went significantly higher during the combine last year after everyone found out his foot was broken after he performed the running drills at a high level. It gave him that “playing through pain” reputation that folks adore.
As legitimate a talent as Jones is, Atlanta regrets that trade for the sheer pick value. He was supposed to be the last piece of the puzzle for them, allowing them to go point for point with GB and NO, and it didn’t work. It’s not Jones’s fault, it’s Demitroff’s (sp?). Teams that sell the farm historically get the short end of the stick; it’s happened again and again in the NFL, yet GMs fall in love with the potential a certain player represents year after year.
It’s like falling in love with a pocket pair of aces pre-flop and not recognizing what’s on the board post-flop has negated your probability advantage of winning the actual hand.
by chitown browns fan on Feb 1, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not trying to downplay Jones’ value, I think he’s good and I think he’ll get better. I do think we fleeced the Falcons in that trade. I don’t think Atlanta regrets the trade, and I think they lost in the playoffs as a team not because of Demitroff or any one other individual.
I don’t think you trade up and give up any firsts for anyone who doesn’t play QB or protect your QB’s blindside.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree as to whether ATL regrets that trade. I think if they could do it all over again, they shore up that defensive line a la the Giants in order to counter NO and GB instead of trying to be NO or GB with their good but not great QB. Yes, they lost as a team as all teams do, but as a matter of pure personnel management, Dimitroff and Blank probably consider that particular draft tactic as flawed in terms of on-the-field results, i.e., a worse regular season record and another early playoff exit. I agree with your last sentence.
by chitown browns fan on Feb 1, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
t’s like falling in love with a pocket pair of aces
Been there and lost the hand.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 5:11 AM EST up reply actions
If we can’t get RG3 I think we wait it out til next year or draft a QB late unless we’re feeling suuuuuuper good about a kid.
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I agree with this. I don’t want to spend another three years finding out if the next project is any good.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
90% of the time it takes at least 3 years for a QB to develop. Thats based on any QB drafted. Not too many Cam Newtons
but 90% of the time if a guy ends up being an elite guy, he showed marked improvement between year 1 and year 2.
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I bet that at least 90% of that 90% was probably in the same system from year one to year two.
by chitown browns fan on Feb 1, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
the system excuse is getting real old. You know who else supposedly went through the same problems? Jason Campbell. They changed systems on him a lot. I guess when he stuck with a system, he was a pro bowler. He wasn’t?
I just think the issue is that both QBs are not that good and something like a system chance can be overcome. QBs have done it before.
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Campbell got shafted in terms of coordinator/system changes, yes, but we have the benefit of several years of experience watching him be mediocre in each. Stating that because both QBs haven’t performed exceedingly well in a system yet and are therefore not good QBs uses the same logic as those who purport that Colt may be Drew Brees because he is short and has struggled in his first couple years. There is no significant correlation in either comparison.
I believe the biggest paradigm that has changed in the league as it pertains to QBs specifically is the time GMs and fans are willing to allow a player to digest a system and perform within it at a high level. I agree that Campbell is a mediocre QB; I believe Colt has the potential to continue improving within the system he has been tasked with mastering, though there is no guarantee that he will.
I’d be happy with RGIII or Blackmon at #4 or a trade down.
by chitown browns fan on Feb 1, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
uses the same logic as those who purport that Colt may be Drew Brees because he is short and has struggled in his first couple years
not really…because this comparison is at least made on production.
I believe Colt has the potential to continue improving within the system he has been tasked with mastering,
I don’t disagree with you on this point. I think he will improve, I just think that if he was going to be an elite, player and QBOTF, we would have seen more promise this season than he did.
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I think the problem with Colt is that he’s shown as all the QUALITIES we want in a QBOTF but we’ve seen none of the ABILITIES, supporting cast be damned. As a side note, too many people seem to accept the former as a substitute for the latter.
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by nickjs21 on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
that’s a great way to put it. He tries hard, I believe he is tough, he works hard, and he is a gamer. These are qualities I like. He just hasn’t shown that ability.
imo, RG3 has not only shown that ability, but he has shown some (if not all) of the qualities that Colt has shown.
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How has RGII shown that ability different than how Colt showed ability in college?
by SBP on Feb 2, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
RG3 is faster
RG3 is bigger
RG3 has clearly shown he has a stronger arm and can put more zip on the ball
That’s 3 ways right there.
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He is not bigger and that is one of the biggest knocks on him. I will agree that he might be slightly faster, but McCoy ran a 4.79 40 at the combine and speed for a QB is not a determining factor for success. As for throws, Griffin can make throws but IMO it is not exponentially better than what Mcoy has shown.
Griffin is a more athletic prospect and would perform better outside of the pocket. I can’t argue that aspect.
Frankly, I don’t care if they take him, but this FO knows that it take 3-4 years for a Qb to develop and drafting Griffin puts us into the 4th first year before the QB develops.
I will trust what the FO thinks, but IMO drafting him might not be necessary.
I stand by the opinion that if Blackmon and Griffin are there, you take Blackmon. If Blackmon is gone and only Griffin is there you look for a trade down or you take him to compete for the starting spot.
Be careful falling in love with a prospect this soon in the process.
I agree too. No QB this year in the draft if it is not RG3. I’m not wasting a draft pick on a project. Pick 22 and 37 have to be allocated for DE/OLB, WR-RB, and/or RT/OL.
by kamasutraman_007 on Jan 30, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
i remember when we drafted a top WR 1st round a few years ago.
biggest.
douche.
ever.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
DA was a 1st round receiver drafted by us?
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 30, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I literally know nothing about Tannehill so I guess this is okay. From what people are saying he seems good enough for #22
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The problem is where they show the trade for RGIII. It’s not gonna happen with the Rams or Minneasota – they both are gonna take the rock star LT’s, So Cleveland is going to trade him away at #4. Why, when the Browns supposedly need a QB? McCoy’s not done. I would be very suprised if he doesn’t come out swinging this next season, and the front office / coaching staff knows how to bring a QB along, especially when we will be able to add some real impact players on that side of the ball. Swapping out backup QB’s by picking up Jason Campbell is an upgrade to who we have behind McCoy.
I can see Either the Chiefs, Seahawks, or even the Cowboys trading into the #4 spot for RGIII. I’m seeing this as a strong possibility as happening this way.
So go ahead and rip me for this, but I don’t see any other QB than Luck being worth a first round pick. If it turns out McCoy is the backup that many of you say that he is, then we go ahead after Murray (or another QB of that type) thats from a conference that actually plays high quality defenses week in and week out, and thrives.
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Why would the Cowboys trade up for RG3? Romo, even though I hate the Cowboys, is a pretty good QB.
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Tony is not Brett Favre, no matter how badly he wants to be. He has shown his ceiling in the NFL already, and it’ss not going to get JJ over the top to the promised land.
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Tony is not Brett Favre
Is this the standard now for a QB to keep his job?
He has shown his ceiling in the NFL already
We should all be so lucky to have 4,000 yard/30 TD ceilings.
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by nickjs21 on Jan 30, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No kidding. Again, I can’t stress my hatred for the “Boys” but I would take Romo on this team anytime.
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I was just about to say the same thing, then I saw your comment. Romo has had some spectacular screw ups in important games. I do not think he is a top echelon quarterback (Brady, Brees, healthy Peyton Manning, Rogers) but he is in the group just below them, like Rivers.
by JamesPowell on Jan 30, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
SEC defenses look really good because SEC offenses are terrible.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, they are not
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Because the Alabama-LSU games taught us nothing, right?
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 30, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Who was the best QB in the SEC this year?
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 30, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler Wilson was pretty good…that’s about it. Wilson is no RG3, Luck, or even Weeden (in terms of production).
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Last I checked Walterfootball had Tyler Bray from Tenn going in the top 5 next year.
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That should be updated because that was all based on potential and the projection that Bray would have a breakout season. He really didn’t.
He slightly improved his TD/INT ratio and comp %, but he still threw for only around 1900 yards and only 17 TDs. Those #s weren’t even as good as Denard circa 2010 which was still not an elite, 1st round QB
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Jason Campbell is not going to sign with a team to be a back up, especially not to Colt McCoy.
What SEC QBs are currently starters in the NFL? Cam, Campbell, and Tebow? Not impressed and playing great defenses didn’t make them any better in the pros. Maybe the SEC has good defenses because all their QBs suck? (kidding, sort of)
You’re missing a few.
Cutler, Eli, Peyton, Stafford.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 30, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Those guys arent too shabby! LOL
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 30, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Point taken, though I don’t think playing SEC defenses helped them prepare for the NFL better than any other division.
I had no point. Was just messing with you. I would also take Campbell off there (not a starter anymore) and put in Grossman.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 30, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Gee, I would have added these guys but I was busy. As far as Romo goes he’s historically a choke artist, and tries to force the ball in way too much, just like Favre did. Look at the TD to INTs and tell me that its okay.
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In the future you might want to do this research yourself first. Here are Romo’s TD:INT ratios for full seasons:
2011: 31-10
2009: 26-9
2008: 26-14
2007: 36-19
2006: 19-13
That looks pretty awesome to me.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 30, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
If the Cowboys would like to get rid of him, we should be on the phone ASAP.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 30, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Jamarcus…
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Cutler, Eli, Peyton, Stafford.
Yeah, but other than those guys, name a few . . .
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 30, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
HD named the others. And you’re missing the point of my post.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 30, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are the one missing the point.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 30, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
All this talk about trading out of the no 4 pick with RG3 available is just insane. To think the Browns would be better with a project or Colt than a QB of RG3 skill and ability. You have to use top picks to get “impact” players or we will always be drafting here. Many were talking about trading down when we picked Haden. What a mistake that would have been! I’m not trading out of 4 to get him, but get Blackmon and get QB in FA…Jason Campbell.
by kamasutraman_007 on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All this talk about trading out of the no 4 pick with RG3 available is just insane. To think the Browns would be better with a project or Colt than a QB of RG3 skill and ability. You have to use top picks to get "impact" players or we will always be drafting here.
Agree.
Not about the Jason Campbell part though.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 31, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Another Mock Draft has us with Blackmon….and UPSHAW at 22!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1041989-2012-nfl-mock-draft-post-senior-bowl-edition#/articles/1041989-2012-nfl-mock-draft-post-senior-bowl-edition/page/23
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I would be ok with this.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 30, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I would almost rather have Upshaw than Tannehill
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and I have more confidence in him being a solid starter.
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I would love getting Upshaw at 22. That’s a steal for him I think.
by Legoman0721 on Jan 31, 2012 1:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I did a live draft where Cleveland was my team:
I held pat at #4 and took Blackmon. At #22 I took Burfict and made a trade to move up to the late first round and took Whitney Mercilius
If we get a QB at all this year, it will be a project player at best. Luck and RG3 are gone before we pick. Flynn most likely lands in Miami. Also, I’d be real surprised if we reached for Tannehill in the first. I think we will wait until the third or maybe even the fourth before pulling the trigger on a QB. All depends on how long their project picks stay on the board. Plus, i think having a guy like Colt around will only be good for the development of a project QB. He strikes me as the kind of guy who would take him under his wing and help with the transition.
by JohnW81 on Jan 30, 2012 3:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Project QB??
If we get a QB at all this year, it will be a project player at best.
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According to Holmgren, Colt is still in his 3 year time frame. Holmgren says it takes at least 3 years for a QB to actually mature. And if you look at the last two years Colt has had very minimal coaching. It really wouldn’t surprise me one bit if H&H skip on drafting any QB this year.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 30, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I have no clue what they are thinking, but I’m leaning towards the fact that they are going to sit tight at #4 and if RG3 is there, we’ll take him. If not, then BPA with a slight emphasis on needs.
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I am leaning towards this: Holmgren has no clue yet whether he wants him. After his workout, etc., he will either want him or not. If he wants him, we will do what it takes to get him. If he doesn’t want him, we won’t. It’s really that simple. If Holmgren thinks he is worth taking at 4, he will be willing to move up to get him at 2. If he doesn’t think he is worth that, we won’t take him.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 30, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And I would be absolutely fine with that. Colt is a gym rat, a leader, tough, and let’s not discount the winningest QB in college football history. Problem is this is the win-now league, so the days of waiting four or five years for a redneck hillbilly, imbecile and toothless QB to amount to anything are gone. (oh, clarification…referring to the development of Terry “Turkey Jones” Bradshaw there in the last part).
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Colt is a gym rat, a leader, tough
All of which is pointless, since he doesn’t seem to have NFL level talent.
winningest QB in college football history.
Completely irrelevant to what he’s doing in the NFL.
Resident Tim Couch Apologist.
I don't think Colt is scared.
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Dawg Nuts I'm really offended you neglected the second part of my post.
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by Kosar19 on Jan 30, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Man Law: Those who have “Resident Tim Couch Apologist” as there signature hath no right to cast aspersions on Colt McCoy.
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And those who don’t do their “there, their, they’re” checks before “their” posts cannot cast aspersions either….(caught it myself, must be the Great Lakes Christmas Ale kicking in).
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Those who think the situations are similar I am surprised can use words like aspersions. It’s a completely asinine comparison imo because you could get guys off the street better than Couch’s O-Line. We have 2 pro bowl players protecting Colt and Pashos hasn’t been too shabby when healthy.
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You may have a good point. However, I stand by my assertion that anyone who is a Tim Couch apologist has flawed reasoning.
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just because they thought Couch could have been better? You are talking to another apologist here…
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Nobody said the situations were similar….as in your previous reply. So not exactly sure what you are getting at. Hey, I was at the 33-13 Sunday night game in Pittsburgh and I was thinking he’s our savior. I root for all Browns QB’s, no matter how inept.
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I mean, we are still waiting for #60/#14 ten championship games in ten years with 7 titles. My dad’s expectations were very high that he passed on to me, I’m hoping for one ring.
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Well what do you mean then if you say a Couch apologist can’t cast aspersions on Colt? The clear implication is that the Couch apologist doesn’t have anything to stand on because he is holding different QBs to different standards.
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Couch had no protection. Colt had Joe Thomas.
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by rufio on Jan 31, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think you are confusing “Man Law” with “Crap I just made up”.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He officially passed Colt then? I didn’t include him in the thread where I mentioned guys since he hasn’t been drafted yet.
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I’d take him over tannehill but I’m from Idaho.. maybe partially biased.
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by 'thedrive'ruinedmy9thbirthday on Jan 31, 2012 6:12 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Does anyone know specifically how Tannehill broke his foot in a passing drill?
We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 30, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions
I read up on him…..seems a reach at 22. This foot thing further worries me.
We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 30, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
He did it while training. Proly just a freak thing. Might need surgery.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 30, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I heard that’s already scheduled.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 30, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot about his foot till you said something. That concerns me even more with a pick at #22.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 30, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
1. RGIII gone by #4 pick, Trade the pick – not taking another rock star LT (Martin), we’ve got the BEST1, so we trade to Jax #7 (getting there 2nd rounder, & 2013 3rd) and the can take Blackmom or Martin, probably Blackmon. @ #7, Cleveland Selects D. DeCastro – OG. @#22 We take A. Jeffery – WR
2. @ #36 – C. Minnefield – CB, @#39 D. Jones – WR
3. @ #68 – T. Carder – LB
4. @100 – F Alexander – DE & @ #116 – C. Messina – LB
Thats the first 4 rounds. Not Sexy either but extremely solid, Addressing all true needs, OL, WR, LB, DE, CB. The 5-7th rounds, another RB, OL, WR, LB, Or DE.
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a guard at #7… that alone makes this the worse mock draft on this board i’ve seen
by alirenee on Jan 30, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
What? a Guard…you better be doing something in FA. You got receivers, but who’s getting them the ball deep? Noboby.
by kamasutraman_007 on Jan 30, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Geez. Do you want to drive the franchise into the ground?
Letting Blackmon get away.
Drafting a guard with pick 7.
And all for what? Pick 39 and a 3rd round pick next year?
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Omg come on April!!!!!!!! All this mock shit is driving me crazy.
by Txbrownsfan on Jan 30, 2012 6:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Don’t Texas A&M quarterbacks have a rep for flaming in the NFL?
....just need a guy called Byner to play RT...
No that would be UT, See Young, Vince. And um.. Col, Coly Mcsomething or other.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Much rather see them trade the #22 for Flynn than use it on an unproven rookie
Grab Blackmon @ 4
Resign Hillis
Trade for Flynn
Use the 37 on a DE or LB
Bold move, to trade for a free agent. Let’s see if it pays off.
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by nickjs21 on Jan 31, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Won’t happen. No one is going to pay a backup top 5 QB money.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Same thing happened with Matt Cassell, just not the exact same circumstances. If the Browns want him and agree in principle to trade for him, then why couldn’t the Pack franchise him, then trade him to the Browns, who would then ink him to a multiyear deal?
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
The Pats new they had a definitive buyer in the Pioli-run Chiefs. There isn’t that connection of a guy running a team that also helped draft Flynn.
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The difference is that Cassell had a full season under his belt. Flynn has maybe three games.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
OK THOUGHTS.....
How about if Manning stays in Indy, and the Colts acquire Flynn? Would they then consider trading the first pick for our two picks in the first round (#4 and #22) for the number one pick? Thoughts?
Why not? Colts get Flynn, keep Manning (fan reaction should be good) and get two first round picks to build the team. Downside???
4 and 22 isn’t enough for 1, to begin. And more or less anyone worth an NFL credential will tell you that Luck is already a Colt.
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by nickjs21 on Jan 31, 2012 8:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They would probably want our first 3 picks this year and 2 next year. Nobody is worth that type of gamble.
It will take more than our #4 and #22, and if it does I see us out of that game. They are never going to part with much more than that. For the Colts it makes alot of sense if they want Flynn to trade the number one for as much as they can. What can teams offer? Maybe 2012 first rounder and 2013 first rounder with another pick somewhere else? Who is going to give them that? All these teams have many holes.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
get real
most important is WR and somebody who can block on the offensive line
The curse is lifting, we're just around the corner!
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
all for Blackmon
can we really get blackmon? that’s exactly who I want the browns to draft but I keep hearing the rams are going to take Blackmon, they have a qb and need receivers almost as bad as we do.
by jizzyp da juice on Jan 31, 2012 8:43 PM EST reply actions
I think they’ll take one of Blackmon or Kalil, Minnesota will take the other, and that will leave RG3 to us.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
We should hope the Combine does the same for Blackmon what it did for Jones then. The best hope for RG3 at four is a) the Rams becoming enamored with a player, and deciding that player is worth more than a trade down, and b) that player being Blackmon. Because I have to believe Minnesota would relish Kalil at 3, which also makes them less likely to entertain trade offers. I’m not sure the Vikings would feel the same about Blackmon and Claiborne, but I could be wrong.
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by nickjs21 on Jan 31, 2012 11:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think Blackmon is going to jump through the roof at the combine, run sub 4.5, and catch everything thrown within 10 yards of him drawing comparisons to Larry Fitz.
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Dear Joe, I hope so. I at least want the chance to trade down if H/H don’t like RG3 as the future.
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Said it before I could. Damned alcohol.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 5:14 AM EST up reply actions
JT, I hope this happens.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 5:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, they’re so much more important than a QB….
by Legoman0721 on Feb 1, 2012 11:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think there’s a lot of missing punctuation there. I read it as: “Please no Tannehill. Either RG3 or no QB at all. We need Linebackers and D Ends.”
Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by North Coast Flea on Feb 2, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, alright then. My mistake.
by Legoman0721 on Feb 3, 2012 9:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Don’t listen to the naysayers, but share why you think that way.
by SBP on Feb 2, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
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