Lets be Realistic
by nickmar19 on Jan 30, 2012 4:38 PM EST
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PrintRG3 will not be a Cleveland Brown. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have him on my team I think a real good talent at QB will do a lot for this team and the media attention will be a low key but big thing in changing the losing mentality in Cleveland. But it just won’t happen. The Browns need a first round talent at QB and we haven't had one since Tim Couch (because screw Brady Quinn), but unlike 1999 there are actually supporting pieces on this team to allow for a rookie QB to succeed.
With my personal evaluation of McCoy, I am close to considering him to be "not the guy" just because of his lack of arm strength, but that doesn't matter because my name is not Holmgren. Against DBN's collective opinion, the book is still very out on McCoy. We tend to forget that there was no offseason, new coaches and noo talent on offense. I still contend that Tom Brady couldn't make the Browns a top 10 offense. I know if McCoy plays next season and plays well, we will all be back on the McCoy wagon, but back to Griffin. I'm only 19 so my years of seriously following the Browns don't go much further back than Romeo and Savage, but the biggest thing I feel about this new regime is H&H's attitude. They have a cool calm and collected aura as the guys running the team. I highly doubt these two guys will do anything drastic or do anything on a whim for this team. That includes trading up for RG3. I know its way early, but the dude is gonna go second and someone is going to over pay for him. The price will be waay too steep, I would part with the second round pick to move up two, but not both first round picks and a 3rd and 4th round or whatever the asking price may be. The cool calm and collected leaders won’t put all their eggs in one basket when we need so much more. See ya RG3.
I think a football team should use the draft and offseason to attempt to fix each hole on the team and at the end of the season and find new holes. Since RG3 goes at 2, the Browns at 4 have their choice of Blackmon and Richardson and I would be happy with both. I would go Blackmon at 4 and sign a FA WR like Stevie Johnson, someone with speed to get past the secondary. Along with Little and Cribbs, Bam WR problems solved. With that second first round pick find a right tackle and pick up line depth in the later rounds and free agency. Boom line problems solved. Pick up a linebacker with the second round pick, D end in free agency, pick up a corner like the FA from Nawlins move Sheldon Brown to safety. Bang defensive problems solved. Take a third round QB to push McCoy. Resign Hillis, hope Hardesty doesn't suck, and remember we have Brandon Jackson. Other random noise, offensive problems fixed. Draft the rest of the draft for depth, best player available.
So now we are back to McCoy, the book is still out on him and he'll get another year to start. But we still need another QB behind him to A push him, and B possibly replace him. Tannehill? Weeden? No thanks. There is a possibility that H&H have tabs on a backup QB elsewhere in the league. No, not Flynn, but maybe Mallet (hey you can pay him in coke), any other names ring a bell? The main reason I'm writing this post is to see DBN's opinion on Arizona State's QB Brock Osweiler. He is not a complete package, he needs work, but [with McCoy] isn’t this what we are looking for? He is like 6'8 or 6'9, something that makes him special. I don’t know much about him but I'm intrigued by his size and via some YouTube, he has good arm strength. Watching that rapist from that shitcity east of Cleveland twice a year, his size is something all teams should crave and if the browns could pick up their own version, I'd love it. So DBN, what do you think? Am I crazy, right, wrong? Does anyone know anything about this ASU guy? Do you know of any other backup QBs in the league that H&H may have their eye on?
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as another young browns fan, I agree with you in large part, especially with what will happen with RGIII and the draft in general, but disagree when it comes to what we should do at backup QB. I think we need to make a move now. Unlike everyone else, I think Flynn has the most potential to succeed. (there are no other viable FA QB’s, unless you count Campbell) Mallet couldn’t beat out Hoyer to even make the active roster for the Pats… and no other QB’s in the draft have any “now” potential to push Colt
i was expecting a doritos poll
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I can’t wait ’til this fills up…lol.
We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 30, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Lets be even more realistic:
You don’t know where RG3 is going.
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by troy145 on Jan 30, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
I would go defense with that number 22. The difference of talent between late first round O-Linemen and third or fourth round O-linemen is usually not that large. And third round for Osweiler is too early IMO, although somebody will reach on him. I do agree that Griffin will be out of our reach though.
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Definitely if he does fall to the second. Probably won’t tho.
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by macdowellm03 on Jan 30, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
It seems rather obvious to me that if Holmgren evaluates RG3 and determines he is worth taking at 4, he will also determine that he is worth trading up to 2 for. Simply put, if Holmgren concludes he is worth using a 4 on, he will have concluded that he is the man (or, more accurately, has serious potential to be the man). If so, he will not hesitate to do what it takes to get him at 2.
Clearly, Holmgren has not yet concluded whether RG3 is worth taking. He will only know that after working him out, etc. So all this speculation about what we are or are not going to do is just that: speculation. As for all the newbies around here trying to tell us that we need to face the facts or whatever and they know what H&H are going to do, you need to calm down and learn how to use this site.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 30, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Boom.
I wish I was Simms so I could rec this twice.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
He is like 6’8 or 6’9, something that makes him special.
No it doesn’t. No QB that size has ever succeeded. Read about Mark McGwire’s brother.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 30, 2012 8:47 PM EST reply actions
The cool calm and collected leaders won’t put all their eggs in one basket when we need so much more. See ya RG3.
Cool, calm and collected leaders don’t get scared of pulling the trigger if they think it is worth it.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 30, 2012 8:48 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Cool, calm and collected leaders don’t get scared of pulling the trigger if they think it is worth it.
if they think it is worth it.
if they think it is worth it.
if they think it is worth it.
"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011
You can debate whether or not you think he’s worth it. The statement above said that even if he was worth it they wouldn’t do it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Feb 1, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Not at all, your a young person with an opinion, thats all.
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Please stop assuming you’re the oldest person here or that that matters at all.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 1, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
It’s okay, I take that as a compliment. It’s almost as good as the rare occasion when I have to show my ID to buy beer.
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by JustBob on Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im 67. Whos got me beat? Youre all newbs on this earth compared to me.
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Typo for by, I’m sure.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 2, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Brock Osweiler might be tall at 6’8" but he is also an ex-basketball player with decent footwork. Maybe there hasn’t been a QB that tall yet, but there sure have been a ton of Tight Ends with b-ball experience making a splash in the NFL lately.
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Playing tight end looks pretty different than playing quarterback. Kind of an apples and oranges situation.
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
I’m actually pretty intrigued by Brock, and I don’t think a starter in the NFL is beyond his grasp. But I wouldn’t pass on RG3 for him, and he’s definitely better suited for a team with an established but aging starter that can afford to sit him for a couple years.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jan 30, 2012 10:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I knew when I wrote that I was going to be in for it. The point I was trying to make that big guys can still be athletic, as the recent influx of ex-b-ball T.E.s has shown us. It will be interesting to see how Osweiler does at the combines. Maybe he will be the stiff that others think he will be. I was thinking of him as a max 4th-5th round choice as it was.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
more like a 5 -7 th in reality. Some team will probably do a big reach if he goes any earlier. As for a 6’8" guy never making it, there’s gotta be a first time for everything, though Clevelands not the place for that right now. Who knows, maybe Atlanta, San Diego, even NYG.
"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011
I’d be shocked if he got drafted. Shocked.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 1, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
The guy reminds me of Derek Anderson.
Big, tall, throws the hell out of the ball. But he has no idea where it is going half the time. Doesn’t move around the pocket well either. You could also call him a poor man’s Ryan Mallett.
If he goes to the right place where he can learn about an offense that stretches the field, he could be something. Not worth the Browns risk.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
doesn’t have the same ring to it.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe there hasn’t been a QB that tall yet, but there sure have been a ton of Tight Ends with b-ball experience making a splash in the NFL lately
Tight end, Quarterback, not really much of a difference in the skill sets there.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
The point he was making is, that a lot of basket ball players have been succesful in tranistions into the NFL lately. Maybe one could do it at QB? who knows? Though, here in Cleveland it’s something that we dont have the room or time for.
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The reason guys have been able to do it at other postitions is because basketball players are typically very athletic. For a QB athleticism is a nice thing to have, but it isn’t the most important thing.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Feb 1, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
He looks terrible to me. I wanted to sugar coat that, but I can’t. He just doesn’t look like he’s good at football.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I watched him play a few games last year. He isn’t that bad. I love his throwing motion. Quick release with no wind up. Straight back and strongly darts it. He’s not very fast but he can run.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
I watched the Vs. video of him against Boise St. I thought I picked up not necessarily an arm wind up, but it seemed like he almost cocked his entire upper body before some of his throws. If I remember right, it was mostly on check-downs in the right flat, but I’m not sure. It almost looked like a half baseball pitching windup.
I wasn’t particularly impressed, but that’s just one man’s opinion. He is tall, though.
He can throw the ball hard, but he couldn’t tell you where it’s going and he doesn’t know why he’s throwing it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I’d take him over that Tannehill scrub. Then again, I don’t think either are pro QBs.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 31, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
if both were UDFAs, I’d take Tannehill 100 times out of 100. Osweiller is nowhere near as good as a QB imo and Tannehill isn’t very good.
The thing is, Tannehill is gonna possibly cost a 1st. I don’t want either, I’d rather take Kirk Cousins honestly.
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Maybe I have a little bit of PAC12 bias in me.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Thats not really a bad thing in my book. I tend to like the SEC and Big 10 QB’s a lot more. Both of those conferences have better offense and defense on a consistent basis.
"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011
I don’t know if this is a defense of Osweiler, but he’s only played 15 games. So he probably shouldn’t be as good a QB as Tannehill in the immediate present. The people who like Osweiler like the tools and the room for growth. Which, again, is why a good team should be the one to draft him.
Steel Nick
I agree a good team should take Osweiler. However, that isn’t a huge defense for Osweiler vs. Tannehill because Tannehill is similarly as inexperienced at QB.
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Mazzone’s offensive focus was to make everything as easy for the QB so he could just concentrate on delivering the ball to the open guy.
They use a full slide for almost all their protections, which is pretty unique these days.
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I’m sorry, after a couple cups of coffee, I manged to get through this post while still nodding off. I know I read something I’m not sure what it was, but I read something. It is waaaaaaaaaaaay to soon to start this H&H speculation nonsense. H&H are doing it their way and thank god for that! We normally discuss this kind of stuff with a six pack, but since you are 19, let me say relax, take a break and enjoy a stress free day. Everything is going to be ok and in the future, could you refrain from writing long diatribes that include rapist and other useless profanity, thanks!
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by StadiumMustard on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions
Long diatribes (I’m doing it, I’m using a big word here) are usually the kiss of death for me. Hard to read and tends to not keep my attention. I really prefer shorter posts.
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id like to thank the ones who took this as it was supposed to be… just some day dream I had thought up one day. I, like the rest of you, like to play GM in my head and this is all that was. and plus i wanted to get your opinion on this ASU QB. no need to attack me. Im aware its farr to early to be seriously considering this and im aware i dont know where RG3 will go.. but as a browns fan what else do i have but to pretend i do?
I haven’t watched gobs of film on Osweiler, but what I have watched didn’t impress me. I mean, you watch him and he towers above some of his linemen, but that’s about all I saw that I liked about him.
As far as how your post was received… Eh, you’ll have that. If I can be bold enough to make a few suggestions moving forward:
**Try to be as concise as possible. Honestly, I briefly skimmed what you wrote because it was that long. If the purpose is talking about Brock Osweiler and what DBN thinks about it, then write a paragraph on that. I can see where people would be like “Wait. I just read four paragraphs… just to be asked what I think about Brock Osweiler?” and then responses will be driven by frustration instead of thoughtful banter.
- When I want to post something, I think about where it should be posted. If it’s an article, Fan Shot. If it’s a question about what the community thinks, it’s probably best to post that in a comment somewhere that it would fit. I guess I personally see Fan Posts as threads that will generate all kinds of dialogue (like a general draft thread or something like that). Posting a Fan Post that simply asks “What do you think of player X?” will probably get 20-40 comments saying “I like him” or “I don’t like him” and then stop there (players like RGIII will obviously be more of a hot topic so it would work to have a Post on him).
- I get the feeling DBN really values consistency. Someone like SB or B19K or people like that who post on a pretty regular basis will generally have more respect and therefore more people would be inclined to read a Fan Post they write. I think people around these parts will be harder on someone that comments once every few days or something like that. So maybe build your rep a little bit and be a regular contributor to thoughtful conversation here and people will likely go a little easier on you.
- Avoid profaning the name of Joe Thomas, empathizing with the Ravens and Steelers is never a good idea, don’t use the subject line, and never ever EVER say anything nice or remotely nice about Art Modell.
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by shep615 on Jan 31, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I hold out for the good in people too much…but I hope he succeeds with the Chiefs.
We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 31, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think there’s many here who don’t want Romeo to succeed. He’s a good guy, he just didn’t work out here.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Rooting against Romeo is probably a bannable offense (unless his team is playing us).
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 1, 2012 3:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sweet
We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 1, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Is there another kind?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is there another kind?
Superfly Romeo
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
by Adrock2099 on Feb 1, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
“He’s one bad mother”… “Shut your mouth”…
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The Macho-ness of that mustache would break a lesser man’s jaw.
We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 1, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
“With great mustache comes great responsibility.” – Peter Griffin
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