Cabot: Browns Have "Renewed Interest" in Peyton Hillis
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 30, 2012 7:50 PM EST
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PrintIt's amazing how positive the headlines start sounding when a certain someone gets removed from the Plain Dealer. It almost seems like people are walking on eggshells, eh?
The reason I say that is the following headline just published by Mary Kay Cabot of the Plain Dealer: "Cleveland Browns have renewed interest in keeping Peyton Hillis?" That's right -- after an entire season of hearing all of the negatives about Hillis, with speculation that he was as good as gone, Cabot now states that the Browns would like to retain Hillis after all, according to a source:
The Browns would like to re-sign running back Peyton Hillis, who worked his way back into the team's good graces over the final six weeks of the season, a league source said.
Cabot says that the team likely has not been in contact with Hillis' agent since midseason, but that the front office will get in touch with the agents of the free agents they want to bring back over the next month or so.
I think the Browns would be wise to retain Hillis at a decent price, but one that is a little lesser than what he was reportedly requesting this past season.
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Am I the only one who completely disregards anything any of the Plain Dealer Browns writers say, except for maybe Pluto?
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." -Paul Brown
Whoa, forgot what blog I was on for a second.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he should be on sale but i’d definitely like to keep him.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
On sale for what?
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 30, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Twenty nine or TWO FOR FIFTAY.
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
by Adrock2099 on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I gave him TREE FIDDAY!.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 30, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
F@&! the cup – Put it in mah hand for a dime.
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by browndawgbacker on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I want him. Life without him this season was ugly, and I still think if healthy Hillis (big “if”) can be a very good #1 back
All correct.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 30, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Do you want him like, say, a certain OC’s wife did or in a very sportsmanlike manner?
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Jan 30, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Do you want him like, say, a certain OC’s wife did
What chu talkin bout Willis!?!?!
BREAKING NEWS! Apple is releasing a special edition LeBron James iPhone. Problem is it only vibrates b/c it has no RING!...
What chu talkin’ ’bout Hillis!?
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’m talkin’ ’bout Shaft.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
He carries the ball well, he catches well. Now imagine how effective he would be if we had something (positive) happening in the passing game. I gave myself chills just thinking about it.
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Yea so why not offer him a decent (not great) 1 year contract, so if he takes it thats one less need, if not we can look elsewhere.
by BornAKardiacKid on Jan 30, 2012 8:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They would be smart to keep him but I completely discount this article that probably is from a source not too close to the Browns… which means she read it on teh Intarweb somewheres. I’m telling you, we will be missing Grossi big time after we get a load of what is going to replace him.
Brownsyup
I think Grossi could be replaced by a hand puppet and we still wouldn’t miss him.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
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by Bumblyjack on Jan 30, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
She did all the legwork when he had a job, I don’t see what the difference will be.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jan 30, 2012 9:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This is so true, Grossi was basically a beat reporter in name only, most of the time he just threw opinions against a wall. MKC actually runs down stories, for better or worse.
MKC finds the dudes with the swag on their belt buckles. This alone should be proof enough that she has run down more leads than Grossi has in his entire life.
by Off-the-Chain on Jan 30, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think the guys with amazing belt buckles seek her out.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 30, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I found this on Rotoworld, they were quoting the story in the PD but I’m not sure if this is their take or the PD’s.
For the 26-year-old Hillis, a deal like Pierre Thomas’ four-year, $11.2 million pact would be a reasonable starting point. Hillis may look more toward Ahmad Bradshaw’s $18 million over four years
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
I won’t mind having him back at the Thomas deal.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 30, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t see him going for a Pierre Thomas deal. Thomas played in every game, only had 110 carries and 562 yds and 5 tds and 50 rec and 425 yds. Hillis in only 10 games had 161 carries and 587 yds 3 tds and 22 rec and 130 yds. Hillis has a completely different role for us than Pierre Thomas in NO.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
I understand, that is just the limit of what I would pay him.
The Bradshaw contract should be an outlier. Bradshaw is a much better RB.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
We’ve been over this before, but statistically speaking Bradshaw and Hillis are almost identical, with health and age being the only differences.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
They’re only a year apart- Health is probably more of an issue with Hillis, though.
On the age issue, I’ve been wondering. It’s well known that 30 is generally the wall for running backs, but is that due to changes in the body that take place at 30 or is that more due to the amount of reps taken by 30? Because although Hillis has been in the league for 3 years so far, he’s only really taken a majority of the reps for a season and a half. I don’t know if that plays into the discussion at all.
Higher career YPC, better pass blocker and more dynamic player. Plus, Bradshaw plays injured.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Plus I will address the elephant in the room.
I would venture a guess that Hillis has used PED’s. Combine that with his running style, I doubt he will ever be a productive back in the NFL again.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, I mean, the dude got HUGE right out of college. Body growth usually stunts midway through college. I mean, we all generalize Harrison does them due to his growth, Hillis kind of… fits the bill.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t know anything of him in college. I am not doubting you, but can you provide links or something that shows a difference between college and pros?
Not even just pros. Look at him from Denver to us.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Nah its just our weight room is zoo much better then denvers
by youngergenerationbrownsfan on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not seeing any evidence there.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
The dude gained like 2 more inches of muscle just by moving teams?
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
You can see that from that picture?
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I see a couple of inches of growth.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
His arm definitely looks bigger with us but not so much that I would say that he got it outside of the gym.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Montario Hardesty, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 4:58 AM EST up reply actions
It’s clearly just the difference in atmospheric pressure. Less oxygen = Less muscles.
We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 1, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Those pics are two years apart. He was bigger in his second year with Denver and was already large when he got here.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 31, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Lmao me either. Maybe just maybe a little more cut but anyone can do that with a little work lol
by The naome40 on Jan 31, 2012 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly. It’s not hard to gain weight and muscle mass in a 2 year period. Now if Hillis was a skinny ass RB in Denver, then there could be a case for PEDs.
Plus the shoulder pads he wears now makes him look bigger.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 31, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it’s not like we’re talking about Brian Cushing here.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like Pittsburgh Pirates Barry Bonds and San Francisco Giants Barry Bonds
by The naome40 on Jan 31, 2012 9:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
JT just let him stand closer to the camera.
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by JustBob on Jan 31, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Should also add, that I wasn’t disputing that Hillis is on PEDs, just that we don’t really have any factual basis for it, nor should we be so quick to disregard him as a player using this as a reason.
I’ll dispute it on the whole innocent until proven guilty thing, or even better innocent until there is even a shred of evidence to the contrary.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i generally assume that 90% of nfl players are using some sort of PED. the human body is not supposed to be that big and that fast all at once.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Thats why they are called professional athletes. They aren’t supposed to be like everyone else
by The naome40 on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have no problem taking the heat. I am not a journalist or a reporter, and I don’t claim to have any sort of evidence.
But the eyeball test says it all for me.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I will add that I don’t think Hillis is the only guy. Far from it. I’m guessing that the NFL PED rate would make the MLB’s rate look minuscule.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I agree here. The NFL simply doesn’t take it seriously.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that it’s likely that a lot of NFL players are juicing up, I also think Hillis is a prime candidate to be one of them. However, just looking at two pictures is not nearly enough to definitively say one way or another.
by Legoman0721 on Jan 31, 2012 10:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I didn’t mean to imply that I thought Hillis is juicing. I wouldn’t be surprised, but I don’t really see why he should be at the top of the list. Even in baseball, PEDs are mostly used to keep players healthy longer into their careers, so being big isn’t necessarily an indicator.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I actually believe the “concussion” issue is the NFL trying to avoid two things:
1. A lawsuit from former players
2. Higher powers mandating the NFL goes gung-ho in drug testing.
It’s a whole lot easier to get guys to hit each other in the chest than to get an entire league clean. Again, I have no evidence of this, just my beliefs.
If you will excuse me now, I have to get back to my mothership.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
You forgot the “*”
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
How does use of PEDs prohibit him from having another good season or two? If that was the case half the league would be one and done guys.
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by browndawgbacker on Jan 31, 2012 12:20 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He is brittle as is. No one else see’s a correlation between his injuries and the supposed side effects of PED?
Hamstring issues? The rumored attitude swings with the team this season?
There is plenty of anecdotal evidence here.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Correlation? Most athletes that use PEDs take them to speed up the rehab of an injury. IDK, but wouldn’t they also make you less prone to injury?
Not just injuries but also general pain and inflammation from games and practices. I wouldn’t be surprised if a big chunk of pro athletes were using them. Hell I know gym rats who use them and have nothing to gain by it. These guys careers rely on their ability to recover and perform at peak efficiency.
at the same time, PEDs can help you get so big that you literally outgrow your tendons/joints.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Steroids have short-term regenerative effects for muscles and soft tissue, but degenerative long term effects.
Take Bonds as an example. He was really good, then for like 4 years he was unreal good, then the next year he couldn’t walk.
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Unless it was intentional.
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by nickjs21 on Jan 31, 2012 11:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
Nicely done.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 1, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I would venture a guess that Hillis has used PED’s.
I really don’t think there is any evidence of this and we shouldn’t really be throwing that around.
Combine that with his running style, I doubt he will ever be a productive back in the NFL again.
That’s quite a statement. He was pretty productive for us in the last 5 or 6 games of this season.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
After being hurt the entire first half of the season. Plus he had injuries in Denver as well.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
the unfortunate reality of the age that we live in is that 250 pound guys who run 4.5 40 yard dashes are their own evidence. the size and speed at which these guys operate alone is enough to suspect most of them of some kind of enhancement usage.
i’m not trying to throw stones, i’m not judging … it just is, as far as i’m concerned.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Watch a game on ESPN classic from even 10 years ago. The change in the size and speed of this game is staggering even over that short amount of time.
The perfect example, everyone drooled over Mike Mamula in ’95. He weighed 245 pounds, benched 26 reps and ran a 4.58 40 time. That was earth shattering stuff at the time.
This past season Brooks Reed weighed 263 pounds, ran a 4.68, benched 30 reps and it was no big deal.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I had not thought to look at the stats after this season. Hillis had an uncharacteristically low YPC this year (3.6). I could explain some of that away, but it still isn’t a good number. Bradshaw has always had the advantage of playing in a balanced offense though, whereas Hillis has been the only weapon on the team. Bradshaw also plays worse defenses. Even after that, their career YPCs are 4.2 and 4.6, which is certainly meaningful but I’m not sure the gap is as big as it looks.
Hillis is a very good pass blocker, I don’t know why you think Bradshaw is better.
As far as being a dynamic player, Bradshaw’s longest runs the past two seasons (his only seasons as a starter) were 37 and 48 yards. Hillis’ longest were 48 and 24. I know that’s just picking one run over a whole season, but I think it shows that neither guy is some big home run threat.
Your claim that Hillis doesn’t play injured is simply wrong. We know he played with broken ribs last year. You may not think he should have sat out as many games as he did this year, but the facts are he plays injured.
Hillis is also a slightly better receiver than Bradshaw. He has almost the same amount of receptions and yards as Bradshaw while being a year behind in terms of playing time. He has a better average on those receptions as well. He does something Bradshaw doesn’t do: he makes big plays in the receiving game. In five seasons Bradshaw has only had one reception longer than 30 yards. Hillis has only had one season out of three without a reception of 40 or more.
I think you would be hard pressed to argue that they are not extremely similar players, and Bradshaw is certainly not “much better.”
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Hillis was back before Andre Johnson, both had hamstring injuries. The idea that he doesn’t play hurt is Browns spin.
Andre Johnson needed surgery, Hillis didn’t. Johnson’s was much more severe.
Plus the whole strep throat saga. I don’t think it is all spin.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
I do, but I think he could have played.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think you are underestimating how serious of a thing strep throat is than.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
No I understand, but this is football. Jack Youngblood played with a broken leg. That douche Rivers played with a torn ACL.
How is Hillis supposed to face his team mates when TJ Ward had a bone break through the skin, got it stitched, and went back in?
The fact that his team mates had an issue with it speaks volumes to me.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to play football when you can barely take in fluids. Strep makes it almost impossible to swallow. Even water feels like glass going down. What speaks volumes to me is that he lost 10-15 lbs during said time. Having a broken bone or a torn ligament doesn’t keep you from being able to do the most basic of human functions such as eat and drink.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
He could take an IV.
Hell, our Center played a game with a busted appendix. You think he would have sat out with strep throat?
I just saying, if he wanted to play, he could have played.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Having had strep throat a few times myself, I’m just not going to agree with you on this one. I know I’m not a professional athlete but there was no way in Hell I could have even played two hand touch football, let alone actual football. And that was when I was young and in shape.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Also I think the "you should play sick/injured’ attitude is a bad one to have. Sacrificing your future for a shot term gain is very, well, shot sighted. I’d rather players sit out when sick/injured and have a longer more fruitful career.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hillis is a very good pass blocker, I don’t know why you think Bradshaw is better.
I had the exact same reaction. I don’t know enough about Bradshaw’s pass blocking to say who is “better” but Hillis is definitely above average in that regard and there is no discernible difference to me in pass blocking among backs except for three categories: (i) bad; (ii) average; or (iii) above average.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
And to tie that back into playing while injured, he went back into a game with his hammy injury just so he could be used to block – and maybe to give the D second thoughts.
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by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
When he went back in at first I was cursing the fact that he wasn’t getting the ball, but then I realized that he looked a bit gimpy. So, I’m not basing it on any analysis that I read, but just on what I saw (or thought I saw).
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— Winston S. Churchill
I have the best wife - ever.
Bradshaw has been more consistently good, but yes they are very similar players. If I could only have one for next season, no doubt I take Bradshaw, but he is hardly in a category above Hillis.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hillis is a very good pass blocker, I don’t know why you think Bradshaw is better.
Haven’t seen the numbers from this season, but in 2011, Bradshaw was rated as the best pass blocking RB in the NFL.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t look like you looked at that article very carefully. Bradshaw ranks first in the number of plays where he stayed in to block. Incidentally, Hillis ranked 12th. In terms of efficiency, Bradshaw was second. That’s very good. You know what else is very good? Peyton Hillis being ranked 6th. Considering how deficient I think PFF’s stats are, I’ll call that a wash. Peyton Hillis is a very good pass protector. In fact, he was one of three backs singled out along with Bradshaw and Matt Forte. Here’s what PFF had to say about him:
As for Hillis there were games when he only came off the field for victory formations, and yet he only gave up four quarterback disruptions all year? Add blitz pick-up to smash mouth football and high hurdling, on the Madden cover star’s list of talents.They seem pretty impressed. That’s not all though. They also compiled the same list but taken over the last three years, to reduce inconsistencies. In this more telling chart, Bradshaw still ranks second, but Hillis is now up to fourth. Again, I’d call that a wash.
Not related, but interesting nonetheless, Ray Rice, AP, and Chris Johnson all end up near the worst blockers in the league.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I looked, I just consider the fact that Quinn Johnson was number 1 pretty silly, considering he has never had a carry in his career. That’s why I considered Bradshaw to be #1.
You can call it a wash, but I go off what I see. Everytime I watch the Giants, Bradshaw has blitz pick up after blitz pickup. I take him over Hillis every time.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
i like hillis a lot, and i hope we bring him back, but i consider bradshaw to be the better back, too.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think anyone would, but Hillis would be an idiot to settle for that.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think Hillis won’t resign with us, before the regular season ended there was a rumor that the Pats were interested in Hillis. I think Peyton would rather want a new start with a super bowl contender team then staying in cleveland where there still trying figure out the offense and everything else.
This. I guess Pittspuke wants to go back to a run first approach. If he’s wearing black and yellow next year I will literally be sick.
That would come close to Lebron and Modell territory if he did that. Also there would be a lot of jerseys and Madden 12 games barbeque’d.
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I still have my #23 jersey. Don’t know what to do with it.
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by dirtyjoe on Jan 31, 2012 2:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
I'm entitled to my opinion. Especially if I'm wrong.
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I’m on board for the right amount of money.
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by ctowndawgpound on Jan 31, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is more likely a case of Hillis lowering his value to the point where he could be a good buy-low option for Cleveland
Agreed. I don’t know who was thinking what at the beginning of the year, but this season made it clear that the best option for Hillis is to take a one-year deal this season and hope to cash in next year. He would likely be willing to play for a poor team where he knows he’ll get touches.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Ah crap, when the headlines get too positive I get nervous someone shipped the PD some Browns kool-aid. The Grossi irrational reporting was somehow reassuring, because no matter how crappy things got during the season, at least you knew from the start that none of his bilge would actually come true.
For a reasonable deal I would love to have Hillis back. Rushing for 112 yards against the Ravens in week 16 I think reminded some at the Browns why we like a healthy Hillis so much. In addition, for some reason Colt didn’t dump it off to him as much in the few games he was healthy this year. He has great hands and can definitely be part of a west coast office.
His hands are why I want him back, too. Even though he has a tendency to fumble on run plays. His carries need to be limited, somewhat. But he still needs to be on the field for 90% of the offensive plays because of threat he presents, out of the backfield. We’ll have Brandon Jackson back as well and moving Peyton to FB should also extend his career a few years. 3 year, $12mill + $1mill in incentives, with $6million guaranteed, should be enough to make him the highest paid FB in NFL history. I don’t think its to much to pay him to play FB because of the added depth he provides at RB, as well.
My impression of Shurmur’s offense is that the FB is not an important position. Why put one of your best players in a non-vital position when he’s doing just fine in a more important role? I also doubt that it would lengthen his career. FBs take some nasty punishment, just ask Marecic.
by Legoman0721 on Jan 31, 2012 10:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I hate to say this, but I would rather have Tony than MKC.
by Roger Dorn on Jan 30, 2012 11:40 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I think they are both bad in their own ways. MKC is irrelevant to me. Her job could be done by a Browns employee with a twitter. Grossi on the other hand contributed to football ignorance, but at least he stood out in some way.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
I can see that. MKC just reports whatever she has picked up from the Brown’s press releases. Grossi actually did some analysis. Hopefully the PD will hire/assign someone with some writing skills.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
by Kaner on Jan 31, 2012 12:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ll take Chris.
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by rufio on Jan 31, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Chris for vice-president.
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We definitely have some very good writing on DBN… a lot of it better than what you get reading the PD or any other source.
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by Brownsyup on Jan 31, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the difference is that I don’t even read MKC articles whereas I would happily jump into a Grossi train wreck.
I don’t see why people have it in so bad for Grossi. I listened to his podcast every day practically for a couple of years. He rarely had groaners in which I’d go “that’s garbage”. Whereas I find myself turning off “The Big Show” quite a bit because they say stupid things or relay obvious rumors. Now the afternoon PD podcast isn’t worth listening too at all. It sounds like a Browns-produced show. I think Grossi made a bad mistake and that the PD did the right thing but I just sort of wish none of it would have happened.
Brownsyup
I can understand this.
Better to be incredibly bad than boring.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
What? No it isn’t. We’re still talking about someone being paid to be a journalist.
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by nickjs21 on Jan 31, 2012 8:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Incredibly bad can be interesting at least.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Tell that to the PD.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 1, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I was talking about just from the readers perspective.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
This. With so many holes to fill, we do not want to have to draft a running back too.
I'm entitled to my opinion. Especially if I'm wrong.
by Aussie Brown on Jan 31, 2012 4:48 AM EST up reply actions
sign him please..he’s gonna have a monster year
Excited for August...depressed by October
by 'thedrive'ruinedmy9thbirthday on Jan 31, 2012 5:54 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I really hope we don’t bring him back. Hillis is just average IMO. Seriously if this guy wasn’t the “great white running back” he’d just be another guy.
by Brocolis154033 on Jan 31, 2012 6:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think that’s way off. He is a very good running back.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I guess as long as he’d be alright with a backup/situational role then Id sign him. We don’t the same definition of very good. Average players still contribute and to me hillis isn’t a complete back. I want my lead back to be able to take it the distance from anywhere on the feild plus be dangerous in space and Hillis doesn’t fit the bill.
by Brocolis154033 on Jan 31, 2012 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I guess as long as he’d be alright with a backup/situational role then Id sign him
What world do you live in? A backup to whom?
Hardesty? I mean maybe he busts out next year but there is no reason to believe he will.
Brandon Jackson? Seriously — did you watch him in Green Bay when he got the starter’s role? He sucked and lost it to a sixth round rookie coming off the PUP list at the end of the season.
Ogbonaya? Next question.
I realize that there are reasons not re-sign Hillis — for example, he may think he is worth more than he is. But the idea that he is not by far the best back on our roster is laughable.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
For good measure.
This is my response to your comment.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
lost it to a sixth round rookie coming off the PUP list at the end of the season.
to be fair, James Starks is awesome.
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He’s a pretty good back. Awesome? Not so sure about that.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I am biased in his favor…
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As am I.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I never said he wasn’t the rb on our current roster but that really isn’t saying much.
by Brocolis154033 on Jan 31, 2012 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I seriously have no idea how you came to these conclusions. He often gets 2-3 yards where other backs would get nothing and he has great hands coming out of the backfield. Maybe he’d be able to break off more big runs if he was facing eight in the box on damned near every hand-off, but unfortunately the Browns offense has been better at compressing the D than stretching it.
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He is not a home run hitter. It would take a catastrophic mistake by the defense for hillis to get a 30 yard run. I just prefer fast and elusive RBs.
by Brocolis154033 on Jan 31, 2012 9:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I prefer guys with talent that can make a difference. Big, little, fast, strong, I don’t care. Just as long as they get the job done. Hillis can get the job done.
by Legoman0721 on Feb 1, 2012 11:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hillis is very physical and makes yards when there are none. He’s a good player.
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by rufio on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s a good player.
On a team with a deficit of good players. If you can resign him at a reasonable price and you don’t think there is some other intangible reason for not keeping him, you do keep him. We are in no position to just let go of our good players because we want great, great players. There are only so many APs out there and their price is not worth it to a team in our position — we need to build at a ton of other positions such that super-elite running back is a luxury we cannot afford.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
On a team with a deficit of good players.
exactly. don’t create a weakness where there is not currently one. i would even pay him a premium for the value of not having to worry about RB1 for the next 3 years.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hillis is way above average. When healthy he gives you that 1st down 5-7 yard carry almost every time and the capability of getting a first down on 3rd and short just about every time. These two factors have a huge effect on a game’s outcome.
Brownsyup
Thank you Captain Obvious. And I mean that with complete respect — the fact that we need to point this out to people is absurd.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hillis is great. When he is healthy and wants to play. Two things that seem to be missing a lot.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
So that’s how we have won so many games.
by Brocolis154033 on Jan 31, 2012 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow.
We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 1, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
THIS IS MY GUESS….. no fact just a thought. If they bring back Hillis, it may mean that we are drafting a quarterback (RGIII). To bring in a new quarterback and give him no proven running game (Hardesty, Obie, Jackson are all as of yet not feature backs) would be a lot to put on a new Quarterback shoulders. I think more and more signs are that RGIII may be the pick, and I really thought they would not select him.
Likewise, if you bring in a running game (Richardson) and don’t have a passing game (the Browns current passing game) then you are setting up Richardson to fail. Defenses that face a minimized passing threat can really key on the run and stop it dead regardless who you have carrying the rock.. I hope you are right about RG III but I’d go for just about anything that would improve the passing offense which is just about any receiver or QB in the first round or so or some decent free-agents.
Brownsyup
Childress. He looked at the RB’s and saw what he would be left with if they lose Hillis. Having AP in Minn you can see why. So i am sure he spoke up, maybe even during the interviews…hey we gotta have a running game and man I hope they get Flynn so we can address other holes in the draft and not pay out the nose for Griffin. And yep i miss Grossi and his opinionated rants…and that he led the charge Vs. Arty.
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If that’s the case, score one for Chilly. Letting him go with what we have as a fall back is a self inflicted wound considering the holes we already have to fill. I just hope they can come to terms that suit both parties. I’m thinking 3-4 mil for 3ish years with a 4th year option, plus incentives that pay him like the league’s top back if plays like one.
You don’t have to pay out the nose for any draft picks anymore. No Flynn please. Seems like the next Cassel/Kolb.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
By paying out the nose I meant it would take our 4th, 22nd and probably more to move up…hence crippling the already weak roster.
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I would sit tight at 4 and see what falls to us.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
“Crippling” is an odd word to use since it’s only one less draft pick. We do get the 2, you know.
Steel Nick
Minimum prob will be 4 pics, heck maybe more to move up 2 slots, is that really worth it?
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
And where do you get this idea? Minimum 4 picks? Who offers better than two 2012 firsts to ONLY move down 2 slots?
You can’t just pull numbers out of thin air and present them to support your idea.
Steel Nick
Ok easy one, Ditka trading 8 picks to move up to 5.
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
And the Falcons only traded 4 to move up about 20. If you base every possibility of trading up based on what Ditka gave up, you are never going to want your team to trade up, even if it’s the smart option.
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more than 4 picks to move up two spots? Where are you getting this from.
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By the time the draft rolls around the hype of RG3 will probably make that a given. It will be like Palmer’s runaway train. You dont think there are teams that would try to beat the Browns 4th and 22nd?
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I would think the combine will solidify RGIII as the Browns pick. I imagine he will have a very good combine
The better the combine the higher the price.
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and to counteract the possibility of raised hype, there will be much fewer bidders on the services on RG3. Wherever Flynn, Campbell, and manning go, you can count out those teams from the RG3 sweepstakes. And there are some (like miami) who may not take one of those guys but may feel fine staying pat.
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I think it’s safe to say Manning is done. Too much nerve damage in his shoulder. He having trouble getting strength back in to his throwing arm.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 31, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s safe to say. He wants to play again and there is a decent enough chance he can.
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I don’t know if it’s a safe bet, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t see any team signing him just to wait and see if he ever gets healthy enough to play.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 31, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Why not, we held on to Gary Baxter for a long time after he destroyed both knees and he was no Peyton Manning.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
was gary baxter owed a $26M roster bonus?
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Was Gary Baxter possibly the best player ever to lace up a Uni?
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton Manning in my opinion is the greatest football player to ever play in the NFL.
I have no problem saying that.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree. my Bias does not let me choose someone other than Otto Graham.
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This.
We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 1, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I have said numerous times that he is the best QB ever. That likely means he’s the best player ever.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 1, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Without a shadow of a doubt my friend.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Griffin had one great season. Flynn had one great game. The price is to great for either. I’d pass on both.
griffin had 3 standout years. you are not right.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Here is what I would like:
Re-sign Peyton Hillis to a 1- year deal, then trade back with Washington or Miami or Seattle for their 1st/2nd/3rd round picks, and draft Richardson. Keeps Hardesty off the field, gives Peyton a back to split time with, and still gives us a back that defenses cannot ignore when he’s in. Then once Peyton walks for a huge contract next year we have Richardson to step up and take his place.
Then we have two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, and I think three 3rd round picks. Seven top-100 picks… Man, you could fill a ton of holes with that.
It sounds great in theory, but we would still be without a QB.
Even the best running attacks struggle against 8 man fronts.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
And pay a backup QB top 5 money?
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
obviously they would have to have a deal in place with another team. just seems like there’s such interest in him that it might play out like that.
Seems highly unlikely GB does that and risks paying a backup starting money if no team wants to approach the price for a tagged player.
Steel Nick
Yeah i see your point. I think I’m just nervous that Miami’s gonna break the bank for him and we’re gonna miss out… :(
I hope he stays ! That way I don’t have to buy another jersey.
by Legoman0721 on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
They would franchise him to prevent another team from signing him and then trade him for less than that.
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Oh jeez, Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar?!
Heaven. Now only if BK’s daughter was here…
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Ewwww…with that nasty tramp stamp?
We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 1, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t help it…its huge.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 1, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Is RGIII the only QB worth looking at in the draft? I’m not trying to be snarky, I’m just wondering what you think about the other prospects. I think Tannehill and maybe Foles are worth looking into- They wouldn’t have the immediate impact RGIII likely would, but we’re more than just a starting QB away from competing in the AFC North. I think we can afford to let a QB develop.
Plus, while I don’t think in my heart of hearts that Colt can be the guy moving forward, I think he would look a lot better with Hillis/Richardson in the backfield, throwing to maybe Sanu/Wright/Another draft pick, Little, and Norwood, and being protected by JT, Steinbach, Mack, Pinkston/Lauvao/Draft pick. A TE would help too. I gotta think that he would at least look decent with a supporting cast that looks like that.
With that being said, I’ve liked RGIII since about week 4 of this last college season. I would definitely be satisfied if we got RGIII, but to pass the time until draft day I have taken to exploring other possibilities :)
Is RGIII the only QB worth looking at in the draft? I’m not trying to be snarky, I’m just wondering what you think about the other prospects.
I would like Luck as well, but I don’t think the Colts will be interested in moving him.
When it comes down to it, I think there are usually one or two elite QB prospects every year. Doesn’t mean they will be elite, I’m just talking about their prospect status. What happens a lot is that teams talk themselves into “so-so” prospects because of need. You see it every single season (last year was a prime example).
As for me, I don’t see another top shelf QB option. I think Tannehill is going to go much higher than he should. I think Weeden shows promise, but is a horrible fit for us as he is already in his “prime” as a rookie.
The bottom line is, there are two elite guys. One of them is unattainable. We have more ammo (picks to trade) than we as a franchise have ever had. Why dick around for another season to see if the last failed project will work, when we can just go ahead and buy the elite prospect?
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
In 1996 we had the 4th and 26th pick…oh wait they moved….Ogden and Lewis. In that draft two are better than one. Sign Flynn and use the picks to address both sides of the ball.
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
And look at all the super bowls they’ve won with no QB.
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One. However very competitive. Give me Ozzie pulling the trigger anyday.
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
In 2004 the Giants traded their 3rd pick and their 1st and 5th picks in 2005 to move up and take Eli Manning. A Quarterback. They won 1 Superbowl with him and are poised to possibly win another. San Diego, though they had more picks hasn’t even been to the Superbowl in that time. We can all cherry pick the draft and find examples that prove our points.
But if you think that the Browns can be competitive next year without improving at the QB position I disagree. The offense is definitely the weak side of the ball and the QBs are obvious non-starters on any other team.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Jan 31, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, what I am worried about is that the front office has said we are going to build thru the draft, we havent seen much how they do in Free Agency so the more picks we have the better….but yep I would take what I know about Eli now…so funny that Leaf is the opposite of what can happen.
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Other than Drew Brees (see my signature), name me an elite team in the last 10 years that picked up their QB in free agency. Maybe, maybe, the Rich Gannon Raiders, but that team was hardly elite.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Just real quick off the top of my head: Dilfer Bal (Super Bowl) and Warner Ariz (Super Bowl), just saying it can happen…and the aforementioned Brees.
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Warner yes. Dilfer, no.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh but you said, and Elite Team in the last 10 years that picked up their QB in FA. You didn’t say the QB had to be elite. :)
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Just missed the 10 year window…how bout Brad Johnson TB.
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
That was actually a second draft of my original post. In the first one I said there are two QBs that could come in and start right away and likely have an impact, but we can only get one of them :) Forgot it in the 2nd draft, bummer.
Ultimately, I think you will end up being right. I’d be really OK with that, because I think we can still fill a lot of the holes we have through free agency especially if we have to trade a number of picks to move up and take RGIII.
Wouldn’t it be awesome if we got on the phone with the Redskins and said “Hey guys, we know you want to take RGIII… Why don’t you trade with us and we can give you a better deal than St. Louis?”
Pick 4 comes around
“BAHA just kidding! Suckers!”
Browns pick RGIII and keep the rest of their picks
No but look for them to try to move up to 2.
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by Red-Right-88 on Jan 31, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Weeden being in his prime can be interpreted as an advantage. Some teams are more interested in winning NOW than gambling on a QBOF. Weeden can be had on the cheap and buy a team more time to find thier future QB.
no, the thing is that weeden is in his age prime … but he’s only just getting to the big leagues. by the time he catches on, he’ll be on the downhill of his physical/age prime. he’s a bad bet for a team that isn’t going to be good for another couple of years.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
By the time this team should be a Super Bowl contender, Weeden will be in his early 30’s.
He is a short term answer for a long term problem.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
What difference does it make if the PD puts a postive article out on Hillis? He is an unrestricted FA and the Browns have no leverage whatsoever in the deal. It would be stupid on his part to play through last year and not check out his FA options. Nothing helped the Browns rekindle their interest like watching Montario Hardesty run right into the arses of his OL on a continual basis. Dude was basically a running advertising banner that said “Sign Peyton”
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by realmccoy on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I hope he stays ! That way I don’t have to buy another jersey.
by Txbrownsfan on Jan 31, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I hope he stays ! That way I don’t have to buy another jersey.
by Txbrownsfan on Jan 31, 2012 12:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I hope he stays ! That way I don’t have to buy another jersey.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions
Lol!! so apparently we are tired of buying new jerseys
by Txbrownsfan on Jan 31, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
There is a simple answer to this. Don His Divine #73 and your wallet will runneth over from not having to throw down for yet another jersey. The Holy #73 is eternal after all.
by ouched on Jan 31, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This will always be rec’d by this worshiper.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I want really Hillis back, if not just for the fact that it means we absolutely won’t draft Richardson.
That said, I’d be willing to bet that this “league source” is Hillis’ agent. He’s willing to give MKC the “scoop,” meanwhile drumming up some free publicity for his client and creating a more competitive market for the free agent. It’s buzz either way.
Even if the Browns front office was actually interested in resigning Hillis, it wouldn’t be smart to leak that information to the press so the player can possibly ask for more or have any kind of leverage like that. That’s why Heckert has been as vague as possible thus far.
i have to say that this report (and i really apologize for the language, but i can’t express it any other way) strikes me as: no fucking shit, asshat. when she and grossi spent the entire season dumping on the possibility of the browns bringing hillis back it made me want to puke. this is a productive runner — when healthy — who can catch and block and is not likely to be hugely expensive. why in the world would they have ruled him out at any point?
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2012 9:17 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
It wasn’t her and Grossi. It was everyone, and it was because that was what people were hearing out of Berea. By the midpoint of the season, the Browns were reportedly fed up with Hillis. Your issue shouldn’t be with the PD.
Hillis sat out a game on his agent’s advice and needed a figurative cornering by his teammates telling him to get his head out of his ass. Obviously when healthy he’s great, but a front office considers more than his performance on the field. I want him back for likely the same reasons the Browns do: I’m willing to risk a repeat of 2011 because there’s no sense creating another hole on a team with so many, and headaches are easier to deal with if he’s playing like 2010.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jan 31, 2012 10:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I just don’t like how Hillis was portrayed as the sole bad guy in the situation. Both sides have handled the situation poorly. The front office needs better communication with its player.
Granted. My larger point was that this disconnect was not a media creation as it seemed to be suggested above, and this softening towards Hillis is probably a simple business decision.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think the PD really blew the situation up into something that it really wasn’t. The “cornering” of Hillis by the team was, according to every player that spoke about it, a weekly leadership meeting. Not as big of a deal as the PD made it out to be.
by Legoman0721 on Feb 1, 2012 11:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
They probably talked him out of the advice that one agent gave him. Sitting out games and going at the Browns in the media isn’t going to get you a contract. After that point, Hillis shut his mouth and tried to play.
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I’m willing to risk a repeat of 2011 because there’s no sense creating another hole on a team with so many, and headaches are easier to deal with if he’s playing like 2010
this is exactly my point. i’m not sure who the “everyone” you’re referring to is, but the loudest cries of “hillis is done in cleveland” that i heard came from the PD. it never made any sense to rule him out completely for precisely the reason you state. this is my point.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 2, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
This much hate? Really. Can’t say, this comes as a surprise. How many of you haters know MKC on a personal level?
*(Insert obligatory Belt Buckle guy reference here.)
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I’m sure MKC (and Grossi for that matter) is a decent human being. Heck, they could be great people for all I know. That doesn’t make them better journalists.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Like notthatnoise said, I imagine she is a nice woman, but I’d like to see our PD reporters start getting some scoops and beat the national media to stories every now and then. It never happens. Instead I see a lot of stuff being written that seems like it was a tip from the organization itself on what to write.
I had a conversation with one of the local guys about that this year (a friend of a friend, if you will).
He bemoaned that the local beat has the attention of the players and the front office. They know each other and they trust each other at least in varying amounts. The national guys know the AGENTS, and the agents love to talk. The agents will give you scoops, because there’s always an angle to make their client look good or someone else’s look bad. But players are more tight lipped, for good reason. Not that they don’t talk through their agents, but again, the reporters that agents talk to are usually national.
That’s what he said, anyway.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
one crazy possible solution could be: strike up a relationship with a couple of agents! i know … shocking.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea how this works but I imagine the writers living and working in Cleveland come in contact with players and front office members more often, living in Cleveland. At practice, in the locker room, etc. I doubt any of these agents live in Cleveland. They have other clients. Clients the national pundits might know. And the national guys live in Bristol, New York, etc., where it’s probably more common to interact with an agent.
I’m just spitballing. I agree with you, and this is the 21st century in terms of communication. But I bet, for better or worse (likely), it’s just easier to get your scoops from the hometown sources.
Steel Nick
i hear you. clearly, national exposure is better than local exposure and agents have clients that play for lots of teams, so i would imagine it’s tough-ish for local writers to develop deep relationships w/ the big agents. but, to your other point, it is 2012.
i would say that there are loads of small-time agents around who represent the “glue” guys on the browns, and i’m sure those guys would love to have an opportunity to voice themselves through the local press. like josh cribbs’ agents, who aren’t exactly international men of mystery.
last thing, specific to cleveland, is that until the last 5 years recently the global headquarters of the largest sports agency firm in the history of the world (img) was located at the corner of e. 9th and st. clair in downtown cleveland. shouldn’t have been so tough for cleveland writers to cultivate relationships w/ people in cleveland.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 2, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
until the last 5 yearsrecentlythe global
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 2, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
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