Heath Evans on Holmgren's shortcomings
Did anyone else hear the radio interview with Heath Evans? For those who aren't familiar with him, He was a fullback/H-back for the (Holmgren-led) Seahawks, Patriots, and Saints.
In a nutshell, he said he doesn't think Holmgren is the one to guide us to a championship. He cited a few major shortcomings:
- Evans claimed Holmgren's purist old-school West Coast offensive philosophy is no longer as effective, that what wins games now is heavy game planning and versatilty, specialties of Bellicheck and Payton, and a weakness of Holmgren's.
- Further, he said the other two coaches are brilliant at involving players in the game-plans. That is, their input is welcomed and they are asked what they are most comfortable running against certain defenses. Holmgren never did much of that according to Evans.
- Lastly, Evans cited numerous communication problems where H would give one directive and Haskell, the OC, would give a completely different one. He claimed that the Seahawk teams he was a part of had more talent than the NE & NO teams he went to a Superbowl with, and gave the impression that were it not for Holmgren's shortcomings they would have won multiple titles.
I know Holmgren is the prez, not the coach, but is anyone else troubled by this or am I making something out of nothing?
For what it's worth, Evans thinks Colt will "absolutely, hands-down" be a good NFL starting QB someday.
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He’s not a FB anymore. He’s an analyst. He’s going to offer his insight on situations related to football that he’s familiar with. It’s stupid to dismiss him because he was a FB. Why do you call him a joke? Should no former players speak about football? He did play 10 years in the league which is pretty long career and I’d imagine he has a clue as to what he’s talking about.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
I will add that Evans also made the comments about Saban walking over a convulsing player.
Mangini apologist by default.
I’m speaking about his innate accuracy, not how well that innate accuracy is translating on the field.
I read that. I don’t know how much truth there is to this though. I have thought Saban was a douche but…
This sets up a pattern, not of him having bad coaches per se but throwing people under the bus who he left on bad terms with. He retired from the Saints and didn’t seem to leave on bad terms from NE. I think he was cut or released from the Fins too.
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Going a little further – not sure it is the same interview or not – but the FOX host asked him who the best player he ever played with and he said Walter Jones – said he was a dancing bear. They then asked him his most overrated or biggest disappointment as a teammate – and he said he didn’t want to comment negatively on his teammates – and then adds out of nowhere that Holmgren was his biggest letdown. He said he really bought into his hype and that Holmgren was totally hands off, somewhat aloof, and he only communicated through Haskell who was perceived as a total puppet.
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I was worried until the last sentence. I will disregard this.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 4, 2012 8:19 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Solomon Wilcots was on 92.3 the same day and really shot down most of these comments when asked directly about them. In a very classy, well spoken and thought out manner I might add. I gained more respect for Wicots from his response than I"ll ever have for some D-bag that calls out his old boss years after the fact.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Solomon is probably one of my favorite analysts. He’s always so professional and respectable in his comments whether they’re positive or negative about anyone. Do you remember anything in particular that he said?
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 5, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
He mentioned taking the overall body of someones lifelong career and trying to summarize it in a few negative comments without all the facts. He also said that it was little known and not publicized at Holmgrens wishes that his wife was very I’ll at the time.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Am I worried about a FB who has thrown 2 former HCs under the bus who maybe he left on bad terms with?
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Evans claimed Holmgren’s purist old-school West Coast offensive philosophy is no longer as effective, that what wins games now is heavy game planning and versatilty, specialties of Bellicheck and Payton, and a weakness of Holmgren’s.
Funny, Mike McCarthy, a Holmgren tree disciple, is doing just fine.
I am almost positive McCarthy never coached under Holmgren. He was with the Saints and 49ers and got to GB well after Holmgren elft.
You are correct, McCarthy was the QB coach with the Packers in ’99, one season after Holmgren left. My bad. I guess he would be in the Schottenhiemer tree.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
First of all, Shurmur is the coach of this team so this is all kind of irrelevant.
Second “heavy game planning” is exactly what “the” West Coast offense is about. This was the real brilliance and innovation of Walsh, not any formation or type of play. I’ve written about this and others have extensively as well.
In fact, Belicheck reaffirmed his beliefs as a coach when he was fired in Cleveland after he read Walsh’s book—he has a tremendous respect for Walsh. If anyone runs a ball-controlled passing offense, it’s Sean Payton.
There is no way a team with Hasselbeck as QB has more talent than one with Drew Brees or Tom Brady at the helm. Seriously, no way. Hutchinson and Jones were great players, but Brady and Brees will go down as two of the best players at the most important position ever.
Any miscommunications between Holmgren and Haskell are irrelevant, Shurmur and his OC will need to be on the same page—and it is clear that they are making sure they find the right guy for the job because they’ve taken over a year to get him. They could have brought in a random guy if they were willing to settle, but they didn’t.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 5, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
"heavy game planning" is exactly what "the" West Coast offense is about
This was the exact same thought that entered my mind when I read that.
That was my understanding.
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 5, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Any miscommunications between Holmgren and Haskell are irrelevant
This is the only part I disagree with. It could very well become a problem if our PFO has communication issues. Not saying it is or will be an issue, just that it could be.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 8, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Haskell isn’t even officially a coach, if I remember correctly. As long as Heckert and Shurmur understand, we’re fine. It is my understanding that the three battle together, and that’s where we are on that.
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Like I said, I’m not saying it is or will be an issue, just that it could be. As far as I know Haskell is a consultant of some sort.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 9, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for all the perspective and feedback all! I was only aware of Evans as a player, so I’m glad it’s more likely a guy who makes a habit of trashing his old coaches than an outing of serious organizational problems.
I’m even happier to hear that about the West Coast O. I had thought the fundamental principles of it were centered around replacing a traditional run game with a quick-release, often short-distance timed passing game. I wasn’t aware of its emphasis on game planning over any other system, thanks Rufio.
I have always believed that the best coaches are those that derive gameplans from copious study of their opponents and who are able to see in-game patterns quickly and make appropriate adjustments. I also think adapting plays to the strengths of your players makes sense.
Here’s a though: Gil Haskell as OC.
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Isn’t he already a consultant? You think they’d have thought of that already.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 8, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions

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