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I have been a very devout Browns' fan for somewhere in the 25+ year range now. I can remember growing up in northeast Ohio and being so excited every sunday when the Browns were going to play. As of late the mood has shifted. Don't get me wrong... I will always be a Browns fan. But the coices that are being made by the front offices the last couple of years have taken a toll on me. The 2011 Draft was looked upon with high hopes by many fans. I was personally leary by the choices made this year with the exception of Little and of course Sheard. I understand the they want to build a young team that can grow together. But when you hand the reigns over to those young players with no real experience we get disappointment time and time again.

Everyone seems to have their hopes set on RG3, Blackmon or some speedy kid from Alabama. Sounds good, but only if you want to see them get hurt. The quarterback situation looks abissmal at best in Cleveland right now. We have seen McCoy struggle week in and week out. Sure he's the chipper young all- American posterboy that you want your daughter to marry; but the quarterback of our team i believe he is not. I have an idea that I hope the offices would lend ear to. Use one of our 3rd or 4th rounds picks and the money necessary to grab Matt Flynn from Green Bay. I believe he is a free agent after this season and deserves to start somewhere that Aaron Rogers isn't. He's got great size, a rocket for an arm and the decisiveness and accuracy to destroy defenses. McCoy scares no defense in this league and as flashy a player as he is.. RG3 would get killed in the AFC north.

My first instinct in the years I have watched, followed and loved football is that we need to rebuild the base of our team first. The fact is we have an absolutely horrid right side to our line right now. I see a monster Right Tackle being the best and safest choice for our first pick. Second pick of the first round... Outside Linebacker/ Defensive End. Gocong moving to the strong side was about the best thing to happen to the linebackers shy of Jackson's breakout season. The fact is that Fujita can't compete with speed or sure tackling anymore. Everyone wants flashy offensive players right away such as a top wide receiver. There are a large enough crop of Wideouts hitting the market this season through the draft and free agency. There will be large targets to jump on in the 2nd round that will bring many smiles to Cleveland fans for many years to come. 3rd round I would like to see an offensive producer in RB or a smart QB. Or maybe a good DB to compliment Haden. Then use the 4th round to build both sides of the line once again.

I know this is a long post but I think it is something that needs to be said. And would someone remind Shurmur that he is a head coach for now and could show some emotion!!! Can't wait to hear responses..... and as always GO BROWNS!!!

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Just kidding. I agree with a little bit of the stuff you said but not most of it. First of all, our last 2 drafts have probably been the best drafts since 1999 and they could start looking even better in a couple of years if a couple of the good looking youngsters really take off.

RG3 will not get killed in the AFC North. He’s bigger than he looks and he’s fast enough to avoid the rush. He moves well in the pocket and has a quick release. He would be an ideal QB for this offense, a mixture of Brett Favre gunslinger, but with accuracy and Steve Young’s athleticism and intelligence.

Taking Kalil with the #4 pick, if he’s even there or Jonathon Martin is really not a good use of the pick since we already have Joe Thomas and a second/third round OT or FA RT will be fine to make our line very good. They were pretty good with rookie Guards and a one footed Pashos. If we took an awesome OT to play RT I wouldn’t cry and not that he needs it but would provide some depth behind the almighty. I don’t think he can be injured but anything is possible. I would almost rather take an OT more than Richardson, but I’m probably not too high on either of those ideas. If Richardson somehow falls all the way to our second #1 then hell yes I would take him there in a heart beat. I might even trade up a little to get him if it only cost like a 3rd or 4th rounder. We’ve traded more for less.

As for the second round receivers, if Kendall Wright falls to there that would be cool. Mohammad Sanu might be OK too, but we really need one who can stretch the field so he needs to be fast. Very fast.

If Flynn is what you say he is then I think he’s worth a look, but I’m pretty hesitant on believing all that. If he’s so awesome how did he slip to the 7th round (don’t say Tom Brady).

RDE is definitely a need and a WLB would be nice. We give up most of our rushing yards around the edges of the line, a lot of that is Sheard learning to defend the run and Jayme Mitchell not being able to do much of anything. Gocong got better with his angles and contain as the year went on and so did Miava. If there is a Zack Brown available I would be stoked to get someone like that.

As far as Shurmur showing emotion, I really don’t care about that. The character of this team seems to be pretty blue collar, intelligent, workmanlike. They don’t seem to want or need any T-sizzle or anyone who would call themselves T-sizzle.

by HenryDawg on Jan 4, 2012 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think he can be injured but anything is possible.

Immediate pancakes for suggesting that JT is anything but infallible.

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by emily522 on Jan 5, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

UHOH, you been cake slapped.

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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 5, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, this team couldn’t use some emotion?

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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 5, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

he sat behind a highly touted QB in college and didn’t play until his senior year. I also think he might have more arm strength than Cassel, but that’s only by watching a few games.

I think he is more likely of a guy as a potential trade option to become Brady than Cassel…but that isn’t saying a ton.

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by bross09 on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure Flynn lost his job to Jamarcus at LSU.

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by rufio on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he sat behind Jamarcus and Flynn didn’t start until Jamarcus left…I could be wrong though.

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by bross09 on Jan 6, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Matt Flynn is going to command much more than what you propose, if he’s available at all. There is even talk of G.B. using their Franchise Tag to force a team to give up a first rounder for him. He was also a 7th round pick, so I’m not sold.

2. RGIII appears to be a taller, more accurate, maybe faster and and slightly stronger Seneca Wallace. I’ll throw in smarter as well, since listening to RGIII speak Vs. the crap that comes out of Wallace’s mouth is refreshing. Seneca didn’t get killed, I can’t see how RGIII does.

3. Any NFL GM that uses a #4 pick on a Right Tackle may get laughed out of Radio City. RT is not a position that commands that kind of draft value.

I don’t have time to comment on the rest.

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by DaveDawg09 on Jan 4, 2012 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

Joe Thomas was the first Tackle to be taken in the top ten of any draft! I believe he went in the top 5.

by Raytaliation on Jan 4, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a Left Tackle, they are routinely taken in the top 5. Joe was #3 player picked that year and not even close to the first left tackle ever taken in the top 10. It happens almost every year.

RTs don’t require the same level of footwork. Also we like to pull Steinbach around to the right side to run so we need a good run blocker or screen blocker. This is where Pashos’ slowness is such a liability. Don’t get me wrong, you do need a really good RT, but you usually find them in other places besides the top 10.

by HenryDawg on Jan 4, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

3rd overall.

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by rufio on Jan 5, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Joe Thomas was the first Tackle to be taken in the top ten of any draft!

Uhhhh, wtf are you smoking??? Tons of tackles have been taken in the top ten of the draft before Joe Thomas.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 5, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

The first GOOD Tackle in my opinion!

by Raytaliation on Jan 5, 2012 6:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Off the top of my head,

Orlando Pace — first overall by the Rams — was kind a good tackle (if you count future Hall of Famer as good).

Jonathan Ogden — top 5 I think by the Ratbirds — was also “good” (again if future HOF meets your criteria).

Walter Jones — who I am pretty sure was top 10 if not top 5 by Seattle — was also fairly OK (if future HOF counts).

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 5, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Also Anthony Munoz, Willie Roaf and Chris Samuels.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

…so only a bunch of HoF guys.

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by rufio on Jan 5, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

If you count HoF as good…

by themadlibs on Jan 6, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

that jake long dude is pretty good too

by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 5, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely, but we were listing guys drafted before Joe Thomas, i.e. to counter the ridiculous assertion that Joe Thomas was the “first GOOD Tackle” taken in the top 10.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 5, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Samuels I don’t think is at the level of the others, but he was an excellent player nonetheless.

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by bross09 on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Chris Samuels was fantastic. Injuries are the only thing keeping him from being an easy HOF bet.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

wait…shit, I think I was confusing him with someone else. Samuels was the LT on the Redskins, yeah he was really good.

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by bross09 on Jan 6, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Hah. Not even close to true.

2011 – Tyron Smith at 9
2010 – Trent Williams at 4, Okung at 6
2009 – Jason Smith at 2, Andre Smith at 6, Eugene Monroe at 8
2008 – Jake Long at #1
2007 – Joe Thomas at 3, Levi Brown at 5

Every year at least 1 tackle gets taken in the top 10, if not top 5

by tyler083 on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah if you want to counter that you should look at the drafts before Thomas, not after.

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by North Coast Flea on Jan 7, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Our right side isn’t that bad (when Pashos is healthy, Cousins and Hicks are absolutely that bad), pass rushers are just that good. Keeping them off balance and getting rid of the ball quickly will be the keys to slowing down the pass rush in our system. If whatever QB we have has 3 seconds to get rid of the ball, that’s a LOT of time in the NFL.

2. Many of the issues we had in protection were due to poor execution of the OL’s assignments. Part of this is on the QB: a good QB will use the cadence, a hard count, and other verbal cues to set the line up correctly and slow the rush. Another part of that is on our Guards, who were playing like rookies for much of the season. The light started to go on for them at the end of the year and it showed.

3. RT is not worth it with the 4th overall pick. RTs protect the side of the QB that isn’t the blindside, can get help from the TE, and typically face rushers that aren’t as athletic (though this is changing a little). Because of this, there are simply more men alive who can do the job of a RT than can do that of the LT. Because of a higher supply—and arguably a lower demand—RTs are less valuable. We don’t need to invest a first rounder to get a great young RT, let alone the #4 overall pick.

4. Buying Matt Flynn right now is buying while his stock is high, and it will cost us much more than some money and below-average picks.

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by rufio on Jan 5, 2012 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

Not happy with Tackle 4th? Well then switch the first round picks I suggested. And we do need a more solid Tackle. We ran the ball more to the right. And there’s no guarantee that Steinbach will be what he was. But no one is denying the fact that we need more speed on the edge of the defense. I think Ray Rice can attest to that!

by Raytaliation on Jan 5, 2012 6:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Its not that I would “not be happy” with it, its that its a bad idea.

You can run the ball any number of directions, which way you like to run the ball is dictated by your personnel and not the other way around.

Steinbach plays left guard, not right tackle.

You can find RTs who can play well outside of the first. If the right guy is sitting there at any position, we should draft him—including RT.

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by rufio on Jan 5, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Never said Steinbach was anything but a left guard. But he is the one who does most of the pulling to the right side. It will be a competition at right guard if they don’t decide to move Pinkston back to tackle.

by Raytaliation on Jan 5, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure that the FO has said that Pinkston’s future with this team is as a OG.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Another part of that is on our Guards, who were playing like rookies for much of the season. The light started to go on for them at the end of the year and it showed

I think this was a big factor in our offensive difficulties this year, overlooked by many folks around here.
Agree with your second sentence, and believe that was a big part of the reason our offense started to move the ball more effectively and showed steady improvent overall in the 2nd half of the season (albeit incremental improvent – not saying they started playing lights out…).

I’ve changed my tune on our o-line play somewhat (i.e. I’ve been persuaded we’re not as bad off as I once believed), but I am a firm believer that even though this is a “passing offense league” now, the battle up front in the trenches is as important now as it always has been for any offense regardless of the “system”.
The St. Louis Rams are a prime example. Worst o-line in the NFL => worst offense in the NFL.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 5, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The battle upfront is the most important one on the field. If you can’t win upfront, you can’t win. But I don’t think our starters were that much worse than the average league starter at the end of the year. I also think you can get away with having below average guards if you have other people who can make up for them.

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by rufio on Jan 5, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If I’m not mistaken Flynn is a free agent. He shouldn’t cost anything but a contract, of course. I would highly doubt they franchise him.

by RyanBr on Jan 5, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If they franchise his, someone will have to pay the average of the top 5 QBs in the league (about 15 million) and if someone doesn’t want to take that risk on a guy who has started 2 games, they’re going to be stuck with that on their cap for a backup QB. Not going to happen.

by HenryDawg on Jan 5, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Or they franchise him and then trade him. Whatever team trades for him will work out a contract before the trade.

It’s what happened with Cassel and the Chiefs.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

But I should add that I think Flynn will get crazy money. More money than what a QB in the draft will cost.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand why RG3 would get killed but Flynn somehow wouldn’t…

by Pillowhands on Jan 5, 2012 3:23 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

He hasn’t taken an NFL beating yet. His athleticism will make him famous…. to the defensive rushers in Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Not saying the kid isn’t impressive. Size comparison has him closely matched to McCoy. I just believe that Flynn would be a better suit with his size and experience.

by Raytaliation on Jan 5, 2012 6:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Matt Flynn was measured at 6’2", 228 at the NFL combine. Griffin is listed as 6’2", 220.

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by rufio on Jan 5, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. His mobility will help him, not hurt him. I have yet to see anything to support the assertion that RG3’s “durability” will somehow be a major concern in the NFL.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 5, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Fantastic point considering they are almost the exact same size.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s like 8lbs! That’s the weight of a human head.

by themadlibs on Jan 6, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Unless it’s Placido Palanco’s head.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone who joins, and then immediately posts a long missive, should be summarily ignored.

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by kwoog on Jan 7, 2012 8:18 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, but it’s more fun to shoot down their ridiculous cleveland.com ideas.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 7, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree with almost every word in this article.

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by North Coast Flea on Jan 7, 2012 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

tl;dr

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by Dawg Nuts on Jan 7, 2012 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

I believe he is a free agent after this season and deserves to start

I’m not sure he deserves anything after one good game. I also think he is a product of a really good team and great coaching.

Kevin Kolb/Matt Cassel come to mind. No way would this FO waste the picks or money some other team would throw at this dude.

I tend to disagree with most of this article.

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by LocalMan on Jan 8, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

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