Quick RGIII Hypothetical

by realmccoy on Jan 4, 2012 9:10 PM EST

Here is the deal, using the SB mothership mock draft as the gospel of how things go down. The top 3 picks go as follows:

1. Indianapolis Colts: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

2. St. Louis Rams: Matt Kalil, OT, USC

3. Minnesota Vikings: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

Now we are on the edge of our seats - RGIII is available and everyone knows he goes number 4.

4. Cleveland Browns, Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor ????????

Heckerts pulse rises, he gets a minor chubby for the first time since draft evaluations began. Months of exhaustive study culminate exactly as planned. But now the phone rings - it is Dan Snyder, and he is desperate. And when a spoiled, egotistical billionaire gets desperate you get an offer like this. You give us the number 4 and we give you are number 6 overall pick and we give you are 2nd round pick this year, and our first round and second round next year. What do you say?

Now Heckert has his feelers out and he has a good feel that the number 5 selection will go as follows:

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama

6. Washington Redskins ??????? or Cleveland Browns??????

Poll

Would you consider trading the pick to RG III to the Washington Redskins for their 2012 and 2013 first and second round draft picks?

Are you kidding - this is the Super Bowl Winning QB we have been desperate for.

25 votes

Hell yes - Will use Redskins pick to take Barkley next year and get the weapons this year

123 votes

148 votes | Poll has closed

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Well in this scenario getting Blackmon and all the picks, yeah I think I would do it

by HenryDawg on Jan 4, 2012 9:14 PM EST reply actions

I’m all for it. Keep building a lasting contender through the draft. I’ve waited this long, what’s 3 more seasons for a Super Bowl!

What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?

by DaveDawg09 on Jan 4, 2012 9:34 PM EST reply actions

If we actually got that offer it’d be pretty much impossible to turn it down.

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by Adrock2099 on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions

The fummy thing is that if the draft goes as SB Nation projects 1-3, RGIII’s value to the Redskins is the same as if we tried to move up for Luck. If we would get an offer like this – we should send a thank you note to Matt Barkley for trimming the franchise QB pool from 3 to 2.

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by realmccoy on Jan 4, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions

No it isn’t the first pick in the draft is worth 3000 points and the four pick is worth 1800. In order to move up from fourth to first you would have to come up with 1200 points. The sixth pick in the draft is worth 1600 so all it would require is there 3rd round pick valued at 240 in order to move up. We might get there first and there second, but there is no way, and I mean not way that we would get that and a first and second next year. Let’s have a realistic discussion in the future.

by BrownsFanRegina on Jan 5, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions

With the new rookie pay scale I think the old trade chart will be worthless pretty soon.

High draft choices have become much more valuable.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions

Isn’t the value chart a creation of Jimmy Johnson dating back to the early 1990’s? This is before the inflation of the top-5 contracts. Therefore, is the draft value chart necessarily “worthless”? It will see some adjustments, where a “sure thing” like Andrew Luck at #1 will deviate from the chart, but in the end, the benefit of having more chances to hit on a successful player outweighs the risk of missing on a single guy (even if that risk carries lower financial consequences).

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Jan 7, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions

Interesting point. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I think the Browns made out really well last year in the Julio deal points-wise.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 7, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions

No, it would be easy to turn down if H&H think RG3 is a true, franchise QB.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 5, 2012 2:18 AM EST up reply actions

For that price the Skins could move up and get Luck if Indy wanted to deal. I do not see the Skins making a stupid offer like that.

by Brownsfan4ever on Jan 4, 2012 10:05 PM EST reply actions

It would be great if it fell this way. However the Redskins are much more likely to make a deal for Luck or with the Rams or Vikings for RGIII. In any case, what would happen if Tampa Bay took Blackmon? Heckert would look pretty stupid to say the least.

I'm entitled to my opinion. Especially if I'm wrong.

by Aussie Brown on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 PM EST reply actions

Not when we get 2 1sts and 2 2nds for dropping two spots. There’s still high quality talent to take with that 6th pick.

Honor. Courage. Commitment.

by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 4, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions

Tampa Bay is going to take defense. WR is the least of their needs.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 5, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions

I think they could find space for Blackmon in front of Williams or Benn. Heck any team could use Blackmon.

I'm entitled to my opinion. Especially if I'm wrong.

by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions

I believe they’ll go defense. They’re pretty much ranked last in the league in that department, and Claiborne is a top 5 pick. If they decided to go offense I’d bet they’d take Richardson over Blackmon.
Between Winslow and Williams they’re in pretty good shape with weapons in the passing game.

That was my understanding.

by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 5, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions

I agree they need corner help bad, really anything on D would help them. If they go O I could see Richardson or a O Lineman too, guess it depends on their coach.

by HenryDawg on Jan 5, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions

I think a lot will depend on their new HC.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions

Im deep in Tampa territory… there will be a giant collective aneurysm down here if they dont go defense.

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by troy145 on Jan 6, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions

I have seen a site that summarizes mock drafts, linked in another thread, that projects Blackmon to go to TB quite a bit. Just saying it’s possible, that’s all.

I'm entitled to my opinion. Especially if I'm wrong.

by Aussie Brown on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions

I can see them going offense if they hire an offensive coach.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions

If Luck is the QB that this front office thinks can win us games, then the hell with the other offer, take the QB.

Most important position in all of sports. We have to fix it ASAP.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 PM EST reply actions

This scenario is way too unlikely to really consider. Although if I were to vote in your poll I would say “hell yes” to make the trade, but not necessarily in hopes to get Matt Barkley next year. If Colt proves he’s talented enough this next season to last in the NFL then these picks would be better served on other skill positions that could really carry us into the playoffs.

Honor. Courage. Commitment.

by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 PM EST reply actions

You put this as if you have a say into what will happen. Is it fun to dream and assume? Yea i geuss so. But at the end of the day. Us fans will never really have a say in it and rightfully so. Heckert could blow us all away and package everything up for Luck. Or decide yo draft Morris claibourne. That’s the great thing about it. There is 10 different ways to go about it.

by lightninmcqueen on Jan 5, 2012 12:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions

I think if the Skins were to trade up, it’d be with the Vikes

by macdowellm03 on Jan 5, 2012 1:58 AM EST via Android app reply actions

THe Vikes would be afraid we will pick Blackmon

by champion64 on Jan 8, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions

They could easily trade with the Rams too.

by HenryDawg on Jan 8, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions

Take RGIII. Lets start taking BPA.

Go Browns 09!!!

by deemac3248 on Jan 5, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions

Well in this scenario I think Washington offers way, way too much to move up 2 spots. If you calculate the points from the draft chart moving from 6 to 4 should be about 200 points. This is a third round pick kind of value. Now if the guy is desperate and foolish he might give you his next year’s 1st at best but 2 second’s and a first to move up 2 spots would probably be more than you could dream about from even Snieder. Note the points aren’t the be-all, end-all but they do give you guidelines as to relative value.

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Jan 5, 2012 10:05 AM EST reply actions

The point system doesn’t mean the same anymore since the rookie wage scale has changed.Washington wouldn’t give that much,but they might give 2 1st and a 3rd.I would do it for the 2 first rnd picks alone,this team has alot of holes to fill,like OL,LB,and offensive skill players.They could really use the picks to build a winner for YEARS to come,and a QB won’t get them there quick.Fix the OL and give Colt some weapons,before starting over at QB.The defense is close but needs someone to help stop the RUN,and get some more pressure on the opponents QB’s.Changing QB’s evey other year won’t help,but again might as well if Shurmur won’t commit to one,or they don’t fix the OL,or the WR’s don’t catch the ball.FINISH THE DEFENSE!STOP THE RUN!!!!!!!

by Dneader on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions

All of this talk is helping me to warm to trade up for Luck. In fact, I could see the draft shake out in a manner that leads to a three-team trade with Cleveland, Washington and Indy:
1. Indy takes Luck
2. Cleveland finds itself at #4 looking at RGIII; Washington gives us #6 and its second round to get RGIII
3. Cleveland sends its 2 first round picks, and 2 second round picks for Luck.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Jan 7, 2012 11:53 AM EST reply actions