Holmgren and Heckert to Speak Thursday at 11 AM EST
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 4, 2012 11:30 PM EST
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PrintIf you are near a radio or a computer on Thursday, January 5th at 11:00 AM EST, then make sure you are glued to it. Cleveland Browns team president Mike Holmgren and general manager Tom Heckert will be hosting their season-closing press conference, and it is bound to be a bit more exciting that Pat Shurmur's season-closing press conference. I would anticipate a few more details about free agents, the team's draft interests, and other things to be discussed. Maybe Holmgren will give a more concrete timetable as to when an offensive coordinator will be hired as well.
Anyway, you can watch the conference live on ClevelandBrowns.com or listen on WTAM-1100. I'm sure 92.3 The Fan will probably be covering/discussing it as well.
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I expect great thib…
by macdowellm03 on Jan 5, 2012 2:31 AM EST via Android app reply actions 2 recs
I feared that Rizzo and Goldhammer would just be talking about their favorite food or something instead.
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 5, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
I hope you guys give Colt another chance. He just needs weapons.
by redrifle14 on Jan 5, 2012 5:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
5 inch lifts in his cleats, a scope to scan the field and quicker reaction time is what he needs. All the receivers in the world are not going to change that.
I would love to get Luck or RG3, but if they don’t take one of those guys it’s because of the player Colt has already shown us he can be. We saw it last year when he had protection, a running game, and Watson and Hillis catching passes. Colt had none of those this year and it showed. I trust H+H’s judgement on this one.
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by dawgtribe on Jan 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The press conference is live on the team site now, these two empty chairs are rather compelling public speakers.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions
these two empty chairs are rather compelling public speakers.
You sure that’s not just Shurmur?
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Can’t be, I haven’t heard the word battle yet.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Mic check guy just checked the mic. Riveting stuff.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST reply actions
Mic check guy dropped the ball and checked the same mic twice.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions
mic controversy
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by Simmsinns on Jan 5, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Looks like they sent out the backup mic check guy. Wonder if the first guy’s day is done.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions
Terry Pluto keeps walking around in front of the camera, still looks like Vizzini.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 10:53 AM EST reply actions
The important men were 3 minutes late.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions
currying favor with the local media . . .
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 5, 2012 11:04 AM EST reply actions
Holmgren still likes McCoy. Nit sure if he has “it”.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions
*not
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t like the comfort level with McCoy and Wallace going forward as starters. I don’t think either would start anywhere else in the NFL. Why are we satisfied at this position with QBs that are in the bottom half of the league? This cannot be the strategy going forward. Hopefully it is a smoke screen.
Oh and just to intercept this comment… “there is no one around him” I don’t think either McCoy or Seneca would be any better on Green Bay.
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two QB’s in the bottom half of the league??? this better not be DA and BQ all over again. i thought we got off that merry-go-round!
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by findlaybrownslover on Jan 5, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, our QB situation is the eternal carnival ride from hell. Makes “Something Wicked This Way Comes” look like a picnic.
by Off-the-Chain on Jan 5, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Well, when you keep picking guys up that 32 other teams pass on for 3 rounds, those are not even close to sure things. These are lottery picks that you hope might pan out. Most of the time they will not. You are not serious about getting a QB that can play unless you pick one early in the draft. Look at Cincy, Detroit and many others. If you have a decent QB you can pick one in the 3rd round and hope he pans out… you can always trade him if he looks decent for a couple of games when your starter goes down. But pinning your hopes on a later-round pick when you have nothing and saying that guy and some permanent backup like Wallace are going to compete for the starting position next year hopefully is just blowing smoke.
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more than blowing smoke, its a band aid. but i think they(h&h) are ready to have surgery instead of just replacing the band aid all the time.
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by findlaybrownslover on Jan 5, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
“Cleveland Browns fans will be Browns fans forever and ever” …. not sure how to take that?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 5, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions
We’re the best, and most diehard fanbase out there.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This.
I take this optimism shit seriously.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Or at least the most willing to put up with the nonsense this franchise does to us.
by Off-the-Chain on Jan 5, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
See my post above. Taking fans for granted.
I'm entitled to my opinion. Especially if I'm wrong.
by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Holmgren emphasizing how it’s actually his third first year.
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Holmgren made a joke, no one laughed.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions
We will learn nothing in this presser. Just realized that. Back to work…
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 5, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions
SHURMUR CANNED! WHOA!
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
OH MY GOD IN HEAVEN.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
PAUL BROWN, BACK FROM THE DEAD AND COACHING FOR US!!!!
by Off-the-Chain on Jan 5, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
HOLMGREN BRINGING IN PEYTON MANNING.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
…AS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR! MIGHT TRY TO GET LUCK TOO!
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 5, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ALSO SIGNED MATT FLYNN!
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Stop lying.
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 5, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I take this optimism shit seriously.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
C’mon, you should have already known that.
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yeah, but i am naive. And bored as hell at work. Work is for jerks.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 5, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Pat Shurmur did some good things.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
he reinvents the west coast offense and doesnt afraid of anything!
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
He’s a bad enough dude to save the president.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All the base are belong to Shurmur.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This pretty much captures Shurmur for me.
Trying again?
They are not telling us anything. Basically they are not going to tip there hand. One thing he did say is he is not ready to say Colt is the guy. He did say Greg Little is the guy as far as receivers and complimented the defense, but he is not going to tip his hand, smartly he is saying the right things.
HE DID SAY PAT SHURMUR IS THE COACH AND WILL BE THE COACH FOR THE FORSEABLE FUTURE, and he is saying that in Green Bay it took 5 years, Seattle it took 7 years, and in both cases he said we found the quarterback in year 1 in Green Bay and year 3 in Seattle. He did not follow it up by saying we have our quarterback, I think that is the point.
Basically we are a work in process and the only area that he and Heckert are feeling good about is the defense.
Why won't you just leave Colt alone?
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
is that emily??
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by findlaybrownslover on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
No, I am not a transvestite.
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by emily522 on Jan 5, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
lol thats one hot transvestite! j/k
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by findlaybrownslover on Jan 5, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I am guessing a beautiful red head?
No need to bring me in to this conversation.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 5, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You’re the one that thinks I’m beautiful. That’s your problem.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 5, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
by the way Emily…how about that game last night? LOL
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Congratulations. WVU deserved it and could have put up 100 if they really wanted to.
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Thought it was gonna be a good game until the 2nd qtr started. Kind of went lopsided after that. If we could play like that every game, we could be champs. Shows how inconsistent WVU is week to week.
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by Off-the-Chain on Jan 5, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
or an american idol qualifier round winner!
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by findlaybrownslover on Jan 5, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
When sitting still, Heckert waddles like a penguin.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 11:43 AM EST reply actions
We closed the gap a tiny bit in the AFC North this year. Strange as it may seem, I agree with that. No AFCN teams truly blew us out of the water this year.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:43 AM EST reply actions
Despite the 300 rushing yards, it was a 1 TD game until we gave up that punt return. The D kept us in games, the ST lost at least 2 games just by themselves.
he called Heckert a used car salesman… ha
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 5, 2012 11:50 AM EST reply actions
Wait, if Heckert is expecting compensatory picks he must be expecting guys to leave. Right?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Jan 5, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions
I would have to say yes. Who are our UFAs this season?
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Heckert has a butt chin to end all butt chins.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM EST reply actions
I’m getting the feeling we’re not going to draft RG3.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions
I’m fine with it. I’d rather have Kahlil or Blackmon anyhow.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t have a problem with it depending on the return. If we got another solid pick or two and only have to move down a few slots to 6-8, where it’s possible someone like Blackmon could still possibly fall to us, I’s be pleased as punch. We should be so lucky to have the Phins and Skins get into a bidding war for our pick over RG3.
I don’t foresee us going after Luck.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think they at least make an inquiry if only for due diligence. Whether the Colts would part with it for anything less than our next 2 entire drafts remains to be seen.
The presser really made me think Trent Richardson. But I really really hope not.
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I agree. I don’t think he’s bad either, but he’s not the best choice the Browns could make at this point.
by Off-the-Chain on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
No way to Richardson @ #4. We absolutely need a QB or WR with our first pick.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be happy whomever we draft so long as they aren’t named Richardson or Kalil. That being said, I have faith in Heckert that whomever he actually picks.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely would not count out Blackmon if he’s still on the board at 4.
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I would love blackmon if he’s on the board at 4. I don’t think RGIII will be on the board at 4. But if he was I think I’d still prefer Blackmon. Not quite sure about it though.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
If no one trades down I think Griffin will be there. In this scenario I don’t think Blackmon will be.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think Washington will trade up for RGIII. I’ve said that in another thread.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think That Indy picks Luck, the Rams take Kalil, and the Vikes take Blackmon. Those two could be reversed though. Not sure how good/bad the Vikes’ line is though.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
We will hope it will be that way.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
You have the best A/V stuff.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Jan 5, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Good, I don’t even want them to mention him until we turn in the card.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 6, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
I thought they acknowledged that our QBs would be able to qualify for this year’s dwarf tossing pro bowl, but they don’t think it is absolutely necessary to have a big guy like Ben or Flacco.
Its really not his height or arm strength as much as his inability to set his feet and deliver the ball. He panics too much and throws from bad positions. A stronger armed QB can do that, he can’t.
They’re talking about Hardesty’s injuries, CLEARLY THAT MEANS COLT ISN’T THE GUY!!!!!!!!2
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions
Stop being annoying. Your schtick is too thick.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
You are right they think Colt McCoy is Drew Brees and Steve Young, I am wrong. For them not to say we are sticking with Colt McCoy who is in year 3 coming up says they are looking to upgrade that position. YOU SHOULD WANT THAT. WE ARE PUTRID AT THE QB postion. Stop jumping on and saying I am saying the same thing over and over. IT IS OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM, not our only problem.
You ARE saying the same thing over and over.
You are right they think Colt McCoy is Drew Brees and Steve Young, I am wrong.
If you look at my comments, I am steadily behind us drafting Griffin. I’ve never said that Colt is the answer. That being said I trust this FO, and if they decide Colt is the guy, and they draft Blackmon, I won’t be bitching about it.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think today though they said (not straight out) that Taller and bigger is preferrable at QB, so do you think they would draft RG3 if we have guys that size already? Is he that physical that they could take another chance on a “smaller” quarterback (I know he is taller than Colt), just asking?
I don’t think height is the end all be all for quarterbacks.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
No, There are good 6 ft. QBs but it does seem to be a problem for Colt.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not so sure on that. I haven’t noticed an adverse amount of balls being batted down at the LoS that I’m questioning his height.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
NCF, I’m with you on this. All other things being equal, I’d love a 6’5" QB. However, height isn’t one of Colt’s issues. He has several real concerns, but that one is not one of them.
by Legoman0721 on Jan 5, 2012 1:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I do think height is a problem for him. He has to get into passing lanes and when he does he stares down the receivers, HE cannot see the field. I think it is an issue. He did have a lot of batted balls too
(1)I do think height is a problem for him. He has to get into passing lanes and (2)when he does he stares down the receivers, HE cannot see the field. I think it is an issue. (3)He did have a lot of batted balls too
I labeled your comment in the order of the points I’m replying to, hope you don’t mind:
(1) I don’t think it’s really a problem that he can’t see over his linemen, when you are blocking, or setting up to block someone you aren’t standing straight up, or you would get put on your ass. So it’s very easy to say that someone who is 6’1" can see over a 6’5" lineman.
(2) This is a criticism that I agree with, to an extent. I think a lot of it also has to do with our lack of talent at WR as it seems to take forever for them to make any sort of break or get any separation. He’s basically throwing to a middle of the pack #2 and a bunch of #4 or > players if they were on any other team.
(3) I’m not completely sure on this, maybe one of ours stats guys can look it up, but in the games I watched I definitely did NOT see a large amount of balls being batted down at or around the LoS.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ever notice also that our receivers seem to be in pairs. The seem to run to the same areas and close together. Believe me I think we need better receivers too. When they sometimes show an overhead shot our receivers are bunched.
and taller and bigger being preferrable is common sense really.
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I could see the colts grabbing Luck, the vikes taking RG3, and the rams taking blackmon, and then the browns going Ot then WR with their first 2 picks, then going for an outside LB and DE, and then adding some more DB depth. If the asking price for flynn is too great theyll stick with colt another year and go after barkley next year.
It depends on what happens before…but to be honest I wouldnt have a problem with it if the OT is significantly better than any of the WRs left at his position. I mean, it is absolutely an area they have been weak at for years and years…and it has been a constant pain in the ass…that right side. A stud OT there locked in for 7 years would really help alot, imo.
I used to think this way too. But an argument with rufio a couple years ago has me thinking differently about a RT that early in the draft.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 5, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a stretch but still too early. 4th round is ideal. An OL in the first is OK for the like of Joe Thomas. That’s just a special case though.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 5, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
i wish barret jones were coming out this year. he can play every position on the line, and he could back-up joe thomas, if joe decided to go fishing or something.
Good save at the end
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with this. I think the best teams in the league, the best O, generally have a great OL that is loaded with 1st rounders (3 or more).
Name one team that drafted their OL through draft.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 5, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
SF for one off the top of my head. I think 2 years ago they draft 2 1st round OL (Iupati and some OT i think)
I looked it up bc it was bothering me. Anthony Davis was the 2nd, and they also have 1st rounder Joe Staley. Not a great O, but you can bet Alex Smith is doing better this year from a great OL.
They drafted Iupati in the 1st as well. They definitely have invested multiple picks on the line. Jacksonville has a good running game and have drafted line.
Mankins was a 1.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
You got me goin- GB drafted every one of their starting OL, but this time it favors you. 1 1st rounder, 1 2nd, and 2 4th and a 7th.
haha keep going. I’m waiting for the good Offense that has three first rounders on their line.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 5, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
you can have a lot of first rounders, but still give up a lot of pressure.
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you really think that Kalil is going to get past the Rams and Vikes?
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Kalil is the best LT prospect since Joe Thomas or Jake Long. There is no way he should get past 3. And the Vikes would be crazy to pass on him if they have a shot at him — if you don’t have a franchise LT, you should be looking for one and Kalil is one. End of story.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 5, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree. Both teams need a franchise LT and the only reason I don’t know if the Rams do it is because they drafted Jason Smith.
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Holmgren says they are holding in there with the business in response to season tix holders cancelling.
Somebody should ask who made the decision about the hot chocolate upgrade this year. It was REALLY good!
So does that mean they don’t care that fans are cancelling? They just spent abt 3 mins saying the fans will hang in there no matter what.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Heh, now that he has his guy he’s opposed to constant turnover…
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions
It’s Holmgren’s first year, be gentle.
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maybe he meant to imply his first-third year, as the prez.
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by findlaybrownslover on Jan 5, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Holmgren left the media with a funny note. What if we draft a defensive player with our #4 pick, would you guys be pissed? Talk amongst ya’selves.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions
Better than Richardson. And if it improved our Run D, well…I can’t say I’d be too pissed. Still I think we need way more help on offense this point. But if we aren’t picking a QB and Blackmon is gone, perhaps I’d be alright with this.
by Off-the-Chain on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want to go D with the pick, but yeah better than Richardson.
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I loved the Columbo-esque way he walked away, and then came back to the mic. “One more thing…”
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all. But also, you can’t believe anything they say about the draft from this point on.
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I want the best available player all the way through the draft. Yeah, offense needs a huge boost, but teams are built around extraordinary players. If we decide to pass over one of those players for somebody we’re simply feeling a need for who isn’t as great then that’s a mistake on our part. We’re not in a position to draft for need just yet.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 5, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think our D is good enough to win a superbowl. That may sound crazy, because it sure seemed we couldnt stop teams at times but I honestly think in the “new” NFL our D is good enough. Just look at the Pats- we definitely have a better D then they have, and they have a great shot to win a SB this year. The league is all about offense- passing offense to be specific. We need to improve that drastically to ever have a shot for a title.
They said they couldn’t say anything about prospective free agent signings. I got the impression their plan is still to build though the draft. Holmgren steered the presser back that way every time Free Agent signing was mentioned.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we re-sign these guys. I’d be especially disappointed if we lost Jackson.
by Off-the-Chain on Jan 5, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
pissed if they dont keep jackson, hillis….. not so much. i like the guys style but i would see it as no big loss.
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by findlaybrownslover on Jan 5, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Loved Hillis last year but he did the exact opposite of what you’re supposed to do in a contract year this year (and I’m not even factoring in the injuries). That mentality has got to go.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Ricky Henderson
Where are you getting this concrete information about Hillis’ mentality? Every quote I’ve read from him or his teammates has sounded pretty positive, not like a diva at all.
by Legoman0721 on Jan 6, 2012 3:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You know, things may be bad for us now, but it sounds like all the crap for NYJ are about to hit the fan.
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by Brownie's Year on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
This is actually the first time I’ve been in a “yeah we’re bad but I have legitimate hope” attitude.
I take this optimism shit seriously.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I put some rants in that Quinn/Tebow thread (don’t ask me why. I just picked that one.) I thought we’d win too. I’ve never been so embarrassed while watching a game in my life. Ridiculous. I’ve cooled down since, and life goes on.
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I’ve never been so embarrassed while watching a game in my life.
Charlie Frye’s last start as a Brown was that way for me.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
A couple of friends of mine went to WVU so I was barracking for them.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Wait. Apparently we lost to Michigan.
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by emily522 on Jan 5, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How bad of a defense does Clemson have to lose 2 games in one night by a combined 140 pts?
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by ctowndawgpound on Jan 6, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
You know, I don’t want to keep McCoy either but everyone acts like he CAN’T improve and that his height is impossible to overcome.
by macdowellm03 on Jan 5, 2012 12:35 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Lol you people. I’m just waiting for Chris’s article on it. Not wasting time over here. I’m Skyriming.
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That sounds like something rude, from urbandictionary. LOL.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
That’s an American school bus. Anyway I’m not upside down coz my head isn’t hitting the floor.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ok that is a Victorian car but the driver’s head isn’t bouncing off the roof lining.
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by Aussie Brown on Jan 5, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
That’s how gravity works in Australia. Keeps you clinging to the ground despite the fact that you’re actually upside-down.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’m Skyriming.
so you won’t surface until about 3am tomorrow morning
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Mum is the word on who and Holmgren said they didn’t interview Chilly last year. Said he gave Shurmur the advice of: If the right guy isn’t there, don’t hire anyone." and he took it.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I really dont know. It seems to me you dont have to use this high of a pick on a RB, but I coudl be wrong
I don’t think he is worthy or the next Jim Brown. I’d pass
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I wouldn’t give up the draft for Luck either. I’d take a QB with our late 1st rounder or our 2nd rounder. First pick to me should be an explosive playmaker…Blackmon would be perfect.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Not sure, not a fan of RG3 at all. Great college player, but I just don’t see him turning out in the NFL. I would say Landry Jones, who has the ideal size for QB being 6-4 and 215lb, but I’m not sure why he struggled so much late in the season. Yeah he lost his go to receiver, but just didn’t seem like the same guy as earlier. I’m very “on the fence” with Nick Foles. Case Keenum intrigues me a lot. Houston passes the crap out of the ball, but 45TDs to 5Ints is pretty damn good.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Top 10 QB’s per CBSSports.com with associated overall draft ranking. Keenum falls in at #11 in QB rank and #216 overall.
1 Andrew Luck
3 Robert Griffin III
22 *Landry Jones
24 Ryan Tannehill
49 *Nick Foles
63 Kirk Cousins
81 Ryan Lindley
106 Brandon Weeden
160 Russell Wilson
174 Chandler Harnish
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
… Has one career 500-yard passing game, three 400-yard efforts and 12 for 300 or more yards…
Lindy’s tabbed him as the 2011 preseason MWC Offensive Player of the Year and as having the “strongest arm” in the MWC for the second consecutive season … Rated the sixth-best quarterback nationally by Lindy’s …
A lot of people are high on Tannehill…probably too high. He could be Gabbert 2.0 with less experience.
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I agree on Keenum. Living down here in Houston, I’ve watched him a bit, and he gets rid of the ball crazy fast and accurate. I can see him hitting Norwood on quick slants all day.
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or Tomlinson or Peterson. He is not. At best, he is the next Jamaal Lewis, who was good for about 4 years and then dropped off the map. Then again, he is just as likely to be the next Ronnie Brown or Cedric Benson
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The kid is good. But not worthy at #4.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 5, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’s a good average RB. Not a game-changer like a CJ or AP, so definitely not worthy of a top 10 IMO. I would place him as a slightly worst Wells(talent wise)
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 5, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Slightly worse than Beanie Wells? I, an OSU homer, find this to be undervaluing RIchardson.
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I have to agree with him
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 5, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
nope. Sure, he’ll be a good back but imo, most backs are not worth a top 5 pick when taken there. I can only think of two in the last decade that I would say were worth the pick (and I actually thought they would be worth it at the time), LT and Peterson.
Richardson is like mcfadden who wasn’t truly physically dominant but very good, but also on a good team. Could end up the same way, minus the injuries (Richardson doesn’t seem to have major injury concerns).
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RG3 Weaknesses
Plays in a spread system that is not NFL caliber…relies on short passes or deep balls to pick up the majority of his yards…mostly utilizes throws along or near the sidelines to complete passes, does not working the middle of the field…need to see him display the same touch he has on his deep ball on throws into the intermediate zone…limited experience dropping back from center…does not climb the pocket as consistently as you’d like…needs to continue to learn that he doesn’t always need to take off…must continue to develop his ability to read progressions…MUST DO A BETTER JOB OF PROTECTING HIMSELF FROM BIG HITS IN THE OPEN FIELD (the real concern if there is one)
That is all I have been saying. I think he is great, just makes me nervous with his ability to run
That is all I have been saying.
This is correct. That is literally the only thing you’ve been saying. For like a month now.
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by Adrock2099 on Jan 5, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
relies on short passes or deep balls to pick up the majority of his yards
…?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Well he just totally ignores the middle pass…
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 6, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I need a trasnscript of this press conference. I don’t have access to a computer around here that will give me good quality video. I’m sure it will be boring and dry, and not much information will be shared, but I’m curious nonetheless.
Honor. Courage. Commitment.
The official site usually released the transcript at night, which I’m waiting for too. Will arrange it when it happens!
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 5, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Holmgren was rattled IMO. I think he thought Colt would be better and we would have a general run of the mill offense considering the lack of “playmakers”. That is what good QB’s do. Then a 7-9 season and “progress”.
I have no clue what the fat man will do now. He could start getting a little crazy.
Holmgren gets it. He gets the passion the fan base has and the tradition and expectations, and I believe in what they’re doing. It’s easy for all of us (the educated social media fan base) and the real media (the dummies) to “bark” about what’s wrong, but H&H will get it done.
After all, we’re still #3 in all-time playoff appearances…and have two more titles that yellow towel nation.
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by Kosar19 on Jan 5, 2012 6:01 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Just released….Landry Jones is staying another year at Oklahoma.
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Smart move for him.
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